No GC could run MP3 (56k no)

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#1 Son_of_Some
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Wii haters owned.

Proof:

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#2 soulsofblayck
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Sorry, but yea gamecube could based on the graphics in RE:4 and Rogue Squadron (which still looks better than this).

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#3 DriftMax
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My nokia could
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#4 Marka1700
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Looks like MP2.
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#5 Optusnet
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Sorry but the quality sucks (since it's from a mag scan). But I applaud you for using new screens I've never seen before. Do you think you could post the scans too? I live in Australia and we don't get Play......or Nintendo Power........or any good Nintendo gaming magazine.

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#6 subrosian
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You are correct, Metroid Prime 3 is a noticable improvement over MP2, however those magazine scans have already been posted several times today. The GCN could not run it obviously, to those who say otherwise, what GCN game was in 480p widescreen? This is the first Wii game I've seen to look like it's actually utilizing the increased system power, a welcome change.
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#7 Luigi_Vincetana
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Sorry but the quality sucks (since it's from a mag scan). But I applaud you for using new screens I've never seen before. Do you think you could post the scans too? I live in Australia and we don't get Play......or Nintendo Power........or any good Nintendo gaming magazine.

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http://forums.nintendo.com/nintendo/board/message?board.id=revolution&message.id=3659941
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Looks like MP2.Marka1700

Having finished Echoes again only a week ago, no it doesn't..
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Find some better pics or a HD trailer...oops, Wii can't do HD..just find better pics!;)
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#10 ChadWhite
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[QUOTE="Optusnet"]

Sorry but the quality sucks (since it's from a mag scan). But I applaud you for using new screens I've never seen before. Do you think you could post the scans too? I live in Australia and we don't get Play......or Nintendo Power........or any good Nintendo gaming magazine.

Luigi_Vincetana

Hahahahahahahaaha if you read the comments on that page, those people are getting all excited. For what those graphics suck.

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#11 gingerdivid
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Maybe, but the Xbox could:

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#12 lordlors
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If the stupid fanboys say that the GC is capable of MP3 then they are proving that the wii could do so much better since the wii hardware is 2x better than GC since its overclocked.
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#13 subrosian
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Maybe, but the Xbox could: .

gingerdivid

You PM me when Nintendo starts developing for a competitor's discontinued system, alright gingy? As technically impressive as the Xbox was for the time (chronicles of riddick is hard for some games 360 to beat graphically, let alone the Wii) it becomes irrelevant when we're discussing new games. It's gone, consumers cannot buy one at the store, and the last game was shipped for the thing years ago.

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#14 flaa2000
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Find some better pics or a HD trailer...oops, Wii can't do HD..just find better pics!;)ragrdoll21


You mean a HD trailer like this?

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/20841.html
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[QUOTE="gingerdivid"]

Maybe, but the Xbox could: .

subrosian

You PM me when Nintendo starts developing for a competitor's discontinued system, alright gingy? As technically impressive as the Xbox was for the time (chronicles of riddick is hard for some games 360 to beat graphically, let alone the Wii) it becomes irrelevant when we're discussing new games. It's gone, consumers cannot buy one at the store, and the last game was shipped for the thing years ago.

I dont really understand what your trying to say, are you saying the benchmarks set by the Xbox are irrelevent?
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#16 Son_of_Some
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Sorry, but yea gamecube could based on the graphics in RE:4 and Rogue Squadron (which still looks better than this).

soulsofblayck

Sorry but no. If you read the scansyou'll notice that the developers themselves say that.

"Having these larger environments where the player can see farther and see things interacting with each other is something we couldn't have done on GameCube."

There you have it. Straight from the developer's mouth.

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[QUOTE="Luigi_Vincetana"][QUOTE="Optusnet"]

Sorry but the quality sucks (since it's from a mag scan). But I applaud you for using new screens I've never seen before. Do you think you could post the scans too? I live in Australia and we don't get Play......or Nintendo Power........or any good Nintendo gaming magazine.

ChadWhite

Hahahahahahahaaha if you read the comments on that page, those people are getting all excited. For what those graphics suck.

Maybe they are looking forward to having some actual fun.

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#18 subrosian
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[QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="gingerdivid"]

Maybe, but the Xbox could: .

gingerdivid

You PM me when Nintendo starts developing for a competitor's discontinued system, alright gingy? As technically impressive as the Xbox was for the time (chronicles of riddick is hard for some games 360 to beat graphically, let alone the Wii) it becomes irrelevant when we're discussing new games. It's gone, consumers cannot buy one at the store, and the last game was shipped for the thing years ago.

I dont really understand what your trying to say, are you saying the benchmarks set by the Xbox are irrelevent?


Whether or not a Nintendo Wii game, created in 2007, could run on a console that was dead two years ago, based on the graphical strength of Chronicles of Riddick and Conker: Live and Reloaded, is the most esoteric of debates, driven further into pointlessness by our complete inability to validate dissention or assertion. It's not that the benchmarks are irrelevant, it's that there literally is no benchmark. We can't even do a screenshot-to-screenshot comparison here, unless you have some hastily scanned Riddick shots from an old EGM or something, dropping nice screen caps from the review against a magazine scan doesn't mean much.

It's certainly not relevant to a topic about whether the GCN could have done Metroid Prime 3. Some Wii games there is absolutely no question that the graphics could have been handled by the GCN, after all, Twilight Princess and Super Paper Mario both started on the GCN. However, given the minimal graphic improvement from MP1 to MP2, and the rather noticeable jump from MP2 to MP3, I would say it's a safe bet that MP3 is squeezing something out of the Wii that wasn't there to squeeze on the GCN.
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#19 Son_of_Some
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Maybe, but the Xbox could:

gingerdivid

Sorry, but no to you too Ginger. The scans are poor quality, but even then you can see that MP3 looks smoother, more complex and has more polygons than those games.

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#20 a4reak
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[QUOTE="gingerdivid"]

Maybe, but the Xbox could: .

subrosian

(chronicles of riddick is hard for some games 360 to beat graphically, let alone the Wii)

R u serious? do u mean as 360 games or the avg 360 game?

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#21 Ganon_919
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[QUOTE="gingerdivid"]

Maybe, but the Xbox could:

Son_of_Some

Sorry, but no to you too Ginger. The scans are poor quality, but even then you can see that MP3 looks smoother, more complex and has more polygons than those games.

Gamepro said a long time ago that it looked way better than Halo 2 in the demo they played.

So who know whether or not Xbox could run it... Does it really matter though? That isn't the point of this thread...

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#22 sumo1973
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Of course the Wii has a faster processor, more memory and a better graphics chip so it will be good to see how this game shapes up when it is released. I'm sure something similar without the new control scheme and with downscaled graphics, levels in places could have come out on the Gamecube but it wouldn't have been so good.

To be honest I don't care. I know that MP3 isn't going to be some port over from a last generation console (I know that some of the work has come over from the Gamecube however) with Wii controls slapped on. It will be a great game I'm sure.

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#23 gingerdivid
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[QUOTE="gingerdivid"][QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="gingerdivid"]

Maybe, but the Xbox could: .

subrosian

You PM me when Nintendo starts developing for a competitor's discontinued system, alright gingy? As technically impressive as the Xbox was for the time (chronicles of riddick is hard for some games 360 to beat graphically, let alone the Wii) it becomes irrelevant when we're discussing new games. It's gone, consumers cannot buy one at the store, and the last game was shipped for the thing years ago.

I dont really understand what your trying to say, are you saying the benchmarks set by the Xbox are irrelevent?


Whether or not a Nintendo Wii game, created in 2007, could run on a console that was dead two years ago, based on the graphical strength of Chronicles of Riddick and Conker: Live and Reloaded, is the most esoteric of debates, driven further into pointlessness by our complete inability to validate dissention or assertion. It's not that the benchmarks are irrelevant, it's that there literally is no benchmark. We can't even do a screenshot-to-screenshot comparison here, unless you have some hastily scanned Riddick shots from an old EGM or something, dropping nice screen caps from the review against a magazine scan doesn't mean much.

It's certainly not relevant to a topic about whether the GCN could have done Metroid Prime 3. Some Wii games there is absolutely no question that the graphics could have been handled by the GCN, after all, Twilight Princess and Super Paper Mario both started on the GCN. However, given the minimal graphic improvement from MP1 to MP2, and the rather noticeable jump from MP2 to MP3, I would say it's a safe bet that MP3 is squeezing something out of the Wii that wasn't there to squeeze on the GCN.

How else can we assume that MP3 can run on an xbox? The only way we can make an accurate assumption is too compare MP3 to other games on the xbox, scans or no scans... from the xbox's track record its a safe bet that it can run on the platform.

Weather it's dead or not is irrelevent, many people still play games like Halo 2 on XBL (on the original xbox) and multiplats still appear on the Xbox. I think its relevent, as next gen consoles should provide graphical improvements over previous consoles. The Wii hasn't done that so far. After all Nintendo said themslevess that the Wii is 2x more powerful than the xbox. Is it true? From the specs it probably is, is it showcased in it's software? No and thats all that matters.

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#25 gingerdivid
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[QUOTE="Son_of_Some"][QUOTE="gingerdivid"]

Maybe, but the Xbox could:

Ganon_919

Sorry, but no to you too Ginger. The scans are poor quality, but even then you can see that MP3 looks smoother, more complex and has more polygons than those games.

Gamepro said a long time ago that it looked way better than Halo 2 in the demo they played.

So who know whether or not Xbox could run it... Does it really matter though? That isn't the point of this thread...

I think it matters, it should be compulsory that the next generation provides graphical improvements. Something the Wii hasn't done as of late.
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Still doesn't look like its out of the GC ballpark, but thats to be expected.
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#27 subrosian
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[QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="gingerdivid"]

Maybe, but the Xbox could: .

a4reak

(chronicles of riddick is hard for some games 360 to beat graphically, let alone the Wii)

R u serious? do u mean as 360 games or the avg 360 game?



Average Xbox 360 game against Chronicles of Riddick. In terms of being a technical achievement, most do not compare, their graphical boost is due to the presence of hardware that lets game developers go to 720p, use higher resolution textures, and drop more lighting effects without the framerate going to "slideshow mode". However they do not push the system, and usually fail to impress me the way CoR did.

GRAW was the first really impressive technical and graphical achievement for the 360, followed by GeoW.
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#28 Son_of_Some
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Still doesn't look like its out of the GC ballpark, but thats to be expected. Teufelhuhn

"Having these larger environments where the player can see farther and see things interacting with each other is something we couldn't have done on GameCube."

Now what?

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pretty cut scenes could be done on the GC.
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#31 subrosian
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[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]Still doesn't look like its out of the GC ballpark, but thats to be expected. Son_of_Some

"Having these larger environments where the player can see farther and see things interacting with each other is something we couldn't have done on GameCube."

Now what?

It's actually a valid point though, it's still not in the Xbox 360 / PS3 graphics league, so where is it? To say it's in the same ballpark as the GCN is fair, until a title that is to the Wii what Resident Evil 4 was for the GCN comes along, we can't really say that any Wii games have knocked it into another stadium.

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#32 subrosian
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[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]Still doesn't look like its out of the GC ballpark, but thats to be expected. Son_of_Some

"Having these larger environments where the player can see farther and see things interacting with each other is something we couldn't have done on GameCube."

Now what?

It's actually a valid point though, it's still not in the Xbox 360 / PS3 graphics league, so where is it? To say it's in the same ballpark as the GCN is fair, until a title that is to the Wii what Resident Evil 4 was for the GCN comes along, we can't really say that any Wii games have knocked it into another stadium.

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#33 Teuf_
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[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]Still doesn't look like its out of the GC ballpark, but thats to be expected. Son_of_Some

"Having these larger environments where the player can see farther and see things interacting with each other is something we couldn't have done on GameCube."

Now what?



It's still very much around the same level of the best GameCube games, regardless of whether Retro could have actually pulled it off the Cube. I didn't mean "oh, it could definitely have been done on the GameCube", I was saying that improvements or not its very much on the last-gen GC/Xbox/PS2 level.

I'm not sure why people still get so bent out of shape on this issue anymore, its no secret that Wii is only a small improvement over the GC hardware. I feel like people are still desperately hanging on to the small hope that some game is going come out thats finally going to prove the Wii is more than a souped-up GameCube in terms of its hardware.
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#34 kingsy_the_one
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[QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="gingerdivid"][QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="gingerdivid"]

Maybe, but the Xbox could: .

gingerdivid

You PM me when Nintendo starts developing for a competitor's discontinued system, alright gingy? As technically impressive as the Xbox was for the time (chronicles of riddick is hard for some games 360 to beat graphically, let alone the Wii) it becomes irrelevant when we're discussing new games. It's gone, consumers cannot buy one at the store, and the last game was shipped for the thing years ago.

I dont really understand what your trying to say, are you saying the benchmarks set by the Xbox are irrelevent?


Whether or not a Nintendo Wii game, created in 2007, could run on a console that was dead two years ago, based on the graphical strength of Chronicles of Riddick and Conker: Live and Reloaded, is the most esoteric of debates, driven further into pointlessness by our complete inability to validate dissention or assertion. It's not that the benchmarks are irrelevant, it's that there literally is no benchmark. We can't even do a screenshot-to-screenshot comparison here, unless you have some hastily scanned Riddick shots from an old EGM or something, dropping nice screen caps from the review against a magazine scan doesn't mean much.

It's certainly not relevant to a topic about whether the GCN could have done Metroid Prime 3. Some Wii games there is absolutely no question that the graphics could have been handled by the GCN, after all, Twilight Princess and Super Paper Mario both started on the GCN. However, given the minimal graphic improvement from MP1 to MP2, and the rather noticeable jump from MP2 to MP3, I would say it's a safe bet that MP3 is squeezing something out of the Wii that wasn't there to squeeze on the GCN.

How else can we assume that MP3 can run on an xbox? The only way we can make an accurate assumption is too compare MP3 to other games on the xbox, scans or no scans... from the xbox's track record its a safe bet that it can run on the platform.

Weather it's dead or not is irrelevent, many people still play games like Halo 2 on XBL (on the original xbox) and multiplats still appear on the Xbox. I think its relevent, as next gen consoles should provide graphical improvements over previous consoles. The Wii hasn't done that so far. After all Nintendo said themslevess that the Wii is 2x more powerful than the xbox. Is it true? From the specs it probably is, is it showcased in it's software? No and thats all that matters.


And you base your assumptions on cash-ins, which nobody can deny is what the Wii's Library is predominantly made up of..
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#35 kingsy_the_one
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pretty cut scenes could be done on the GC.daveg1

The Prime games have always used in-game visuals for the cutscenes..
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#36 Spartan070
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Sorry, but yea gamecube could based on the graphics in RE:4 and Rogue Squadron (which still looks better than this).

soulsofblayck

Not in motion they don't, this game is liquid smooth.