No hubworld in SMG2

"We want players to focus on the joy of the action instead of getting to each game course. We wanted to make it as accessible as possible and as easy as possible for the players. Also because we're going to incorporate a number of different stars and conquering all the stars is going to be one of the most challenging missions for the player, we want them to understand as easy as possible where they should go next and which places they should go back to in order to get access to the remaining stars." - Shigeru Miyamoto

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This isn't really a negative or a positive for me. I mean the hubs in Mario 64 and Sunshine were awesome, but SMG one was really lacking. Would of been better if they just improved upon it. Also seems from this that it is more of an expansion pack then a full sequel. But that is fine, and I really think everyone expected that.

I always had a lot of fun messing around in the hubs of the 3D Mario games. In all honesty though, I could care less.

The hubworld in SMG wasn't very good anyways.

Im perfectly fine with that. Wasnt a HUGE fan of Galaxys hub.

I don't think anyone would miss the hub world.

Damn...

we new this since whenever the second trailer was released. like two or three months ago

I don't really care gonna be great either way

Shame Nintendo, I would have figured you would take the high road and improved on it, not completely abandon it. Seems like laziness me thinks.

Shame Nintendo, I would have figured you would take the high road and improved on it, not completely abandon it. Seems like laziness me thinks.lantus

Oh well. I'm not really gonna miss the hub world from SMG.

[QUOTE="lantus"]Shame Nintendo, I would have figured you would take the high road and improved on it, not completely abandon it. Seems like laziness me thinks.Shinobishyguy

I'm kinda disappointed by this, but the game will still be amazing. And according to Nintendo, better off for excluding it. Maybe they could have improved upon it instead of scrapping it entirely?

This is probably the first real sequel of a Mario game (along with NSMB2) that re-uses an existing theme/ game sty|e. Hence, the feeling of "expansion". I'm sure it will be all gravy :). Though I'll admit, my first impressions last E3 were: "wait, it looks exactly the same".

Wow, I am surprised at how complacent you guys are about this bit of news. Just because the hub world was poorly done in Galaxy is an excuse for them to take it away altogether as opposed to making a better hub world? Streamlining my ass.

On other sites, Miyamoto is also quoted as saying, "You can think of it in terms of something similar to Super Mario World or New Super Mario Bros. Wii, where you will have a rather convenient map to navigate." If it is indeed like Super Mario World's hub and has plenty of unlockable secrets and changing terrain, then the news might not be so bad. But if the hub looks like that image you posted, then I am not going to be very pleased.

I liked the hub world in Super Mario Galaxy. It wasn't the most fun to explore, but I at least appreciated the more subtle touches :( Personally, I didn't notice it until my second playthrough. I'm not surprised they dropped it to streamline the experience, though, as SMG 2's meant for the veterans of the first.

Wow, I am surprised at how complacent you guys are about this bit of news. Just because the hub world was poorly done in Galaxy is an excuse for them to take it away altogether as opposed to making a better hub world? Streamlining my ass.

Sky-

I'm not sure what could be improved, to be honest. >.> Once you find all the secrets of any world, that's it. The only reasonable way to improve hub worlds, as far as I'm concerned, is to make it 'evolve' at a more steady pace, but there's a point where it's evolution is so slow that it becomes unnoticed and unappreciated.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="lantus"]Shame Nintendo, I would have figured you would take the high road and improved on it, not completely abandon it. Seems like laziness me thinks.lantus

i like hub-worlds =/ ALWAYS liked exploring towns Ratchet ACIT's Hub-space was pretty amazing,i could dump 2 hours just listening to the radio ^-^ Ratchet_Fan8

This one time, I agree with you completely. :P

Half of the fun in 3D Mario's came from screwing around in the hub world and experimenting. They better make that world map ****ing amazing and the levels better be even more ****ing amazing because otherwise it will feel like SMG Level Pack or SMG 1.5.

[QUOTE="lantus"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"] was it laziness when bioware took out the mako driving in Me2? No. Thats what they call streamliningShinobishyguy

[QUOTE="Ratchet_Fan8"]i like hub-worlds =/ ALWAYS liked exploring towns Ratchet ACIT's Hub-space was pretty amazing,i could dump 2 hours just listening to the radio ^-^ Sky-

Even if it is "SMG1.5"It's still gonna be awesome It's more of the same of SMG, one of the best platformers of all time. Who gives a **** if it doesn't break the mold. Shinobishyguy

And this brings me back to one of my biggest problems with Nintendo this generation and how they really aren't utilizing their talented developers to their fullest potential. Just how accessible do they plan on making their games and at what are the trade-offs they are willing to make at the expense of their long-term fans? :|

Oh well. As long as they make good levels, it shouldn't be too bad.

I liked the hub world because you couldn't get lost, and you just keep going to the next level.

It will probably be better however they do it.

One of my favourite things about Super Mario 64 was exploring the castle. This makes me think I'll like this one even less than the original. I guess they didn't want to either copy SMG's hubworld or spend the time/money making a new one.

Who gives a **** if it doesn't break the mold. Shinobishyguy

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]Even if it is "SMG1.5"It's still gonna be awesome It's more of the same of SMG, one of the best platformers of all time. Who gives a **** if it doesn't break the mold. Sky-

I suppose the thinking behind is it that a hubworld wouldnt be necessary and, especially because of the complaints about the last one, they just scrapped it.

personally, I would have liked a revamped Peach's Castle, with obervatories in it where Mario can choose to explore.

I mean, what is the story going to be in this one? I know Mario games arent popular because of the story, but what context is going to be given? If the goal is to rescue Peach, who has kidnapped her, why are we in space again and where is Rosalina?

The ending to SMG was a bit... weird. For them to do away with the hub eradicates the context of the game. The world map needs to be something so much more than the image in the OP, otherwise its just going to be selecting challenges.

[QUOTE="Sky-"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]Even if it is "SMG1.5"It's still gonna be awesome It's more of the same of SMG, one of the best platformers of all time. Who gives a **** if it doesn't break the mold. Shinobishyguy

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]Even if it is "SMG1.5"It's still gonna be awesome It's more of the same of SMG, one of the best platformers of all time. Who gives a **** if it doesn't break the mold. Sky-

And this brings me back to one of my biggest problems with Nintendo this generation and how they really aren't utilizing their talented developers to their fullest potential. Just how accessible do they plan on making their games and at what are the trade-offs they are willing to make at the expense of their long-term fans? :|

The hub world was entirely unnecessary to begin with. I would rather it not be there.Marka1700

Aww thats too bad. Not a big deal though. They have their reasons

Knowing your stance on everything "current nintendo" does something tells me you'd hate it regardless if there's a hubworld or not :|Shinobishyguy

I present to you, Mario Galaxy 2's "hub"

Its the ship you use to explore the universe. Its playable.

The hub worlds in 64 and Sunshine were terrible, as far as I'm concerned. I actually liked Galaxy's hub world,because it kept the focus on the levels, not getting to them. I like this decision, for the same reasons as why I liked Galaxy's hub world.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHYYYYYYYYYYYYY!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Seriously... just cancel the game. who cares anymore... God. The hubworlds where like my favorite parts about sm64 and sunshine

And I don't want to have to jump up to the same platforms every time I start the game and waste two minutes listening to the same tedious music.princeofshapeir

WAT?

Hub worlds area pain in the ass so I don't care. Most fun I had with a hub was in the Spyro the dragon series (except 3, those hubs sucked) and that was becase they were basically levels in themselves with cool themes. Lack of hub doesn't bother me. It takes to long to get places in hubs imo.

[QUOTE="Willy105"]I think this is a bad idea. I don't want 2D Mario, I want 3D Mario.princeofshapeir

Wow, this is the first opinion I've heard that is literally wrong and refuse to discuss. Comet Observatory had some of the most beautiful music to ever grace gaming period.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHYYYYYYYYYYYYY!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Seriously... just cancel the game. who cares anymore... God. The hubworlds where like my favorite parts about sm64 and sunshine

[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"][QUOTE="Willy105"]I think this is a bad idea. I don't want 2D Mario, I want 3D Mario.ActicEdge

Wow, this is the first opinion I've heard that is literally wrong and refuse to discuss. Comet Observatory had some of the most beautiful music to ever grace gaming period.

Agree with this. But like others said, bad hubworld< no hubworld. Is it confirmed that there are 120 stars?