No matter if you are a sheep, a hermit or a cow

we all should support Sony for still caring about the hardcore audience and criticizing Microsoft for not even trying, because Kinect will likely be very successful.

yes, we don't know yet what titles are being planned to build the next Microsoft's exclusive lineup, but the path Microsoft is taking is clear.

Everyone bashed Nintendo for "ruining" gaming and I partially agree with those people, but even Nintendo showed that they still care.

but I guess those are just trivial words and nothing can stop the casualization and raping of our favorite hobby.

there is really nothing to critisize about microsoft. their current bissness model is doing Very good.

Casualization has been going on with every game. And everyone is freaking out, but personally I don't think so. One of the people who actually understand what casualization is Yangire, and other people are just very misunderstood by the entire concept. Mass Effect, arguably, is a result of casualization. It cut a lot of things and made it more of action-oriented RPG. And you can't blame them for that, it made the game accessible, ultimately making it a great game to play. You give Mass Effect to actual hardcore RPG gamers who play dungeon cralwers. They won't even classify it as an RPG. Same with a lot of shooters, they streamlined the experience and made it easier to just sip into the experience. So in the end, is Sony really not casualizing their games? Hell no, look at God of War 3 and Uncharted 2, those games are just so simple. But that's not a bad thing, it broadens the scope of gaming audience and really, I think it's great.funsohng

I think the only sentence I understood was the last one.. lol I wish I understood video game talk.

****-riding Sony is definitely not something on my " To-do" list.

What hardcore audience exists on consoles?

Of the big 3 I mainly support Nintendo for making a gaming console that has games

define "care"

but I guess those are just trivial words and nothing can stop the casualization and raping of our favorite hobby.

Metroid_Other_M

*Builds anti nuclear shelter*

[QUOTE="funsohng"]Casualization has been going on with every game. And everyone is freaking out, but personally I don't think so. One of the people who actually understand what casualization is Yangire, and other people are just very misunderstood by the entire concept. Mass Effect, arguably, is a result of casualization. It cut a lot of things and made it more of action-oriented RPG. And you can't blame them for that, it made the game accessible, ultimately making it a great game to play. You give Mass Effect to actual hardcore RPG gamers who play dungeon cralwers. They won't even classify it as an RPG. Same with a lot of shooters, they streamlined the experience and made it easier to just sip into the experience. So in the end, is Sony really not casualizing their games? Hell no, look at God of War 3 and Uncharted 2, those games are just so simple. But that's not a bad thing, it broadens the scope of gaming audience and really, I think it's great.coylenintendo

I think the only sentence I understood was the last one.. lol I wish I understood video game talk.

Casualization has been going on with every game. And everyone is freaking out, but personally I don't think so. One of the people who actually understand what casualization is Yangire, and other people are just very misunderstood by the entire concept. Mass Effect, arguably, is a result of casualization. It cut a lot of things and made it more of action-oriented RPG. And you can't blame them for that, it made the game accessible, ultimately making it a great game to play. You give Mass Effect to actual hardcore RPG gamers who play dungeon cralwers. They won't even classify it as an RPG. Same with a lot of shooters, they streamlined the experience and made it easier to just sip into the experience. So in the end, is Sony really not casualizing their games? Hell no, look at God of War 3 and Uncharted 2, those games are just so simple. But that's not a bad thing, it broadens the scope of gaming audience and really, I think it's great.funsohng

sure I guess? lol I'm just used to working, getting crap done, hanging out with friends and playing video games when I have extra time at home so I don't follow on Gamestop too much anymore.

The only system that hasn't been mainstreaming games is the PC.

I certainly am disappointed in Microsoft, that's why I built myself a gaming rig.

Sony and Nintendo are certainly doing a better job when it comes to exclusive games, a console can't only rely on multiplats and average titles, with some exceptions.

[QUOTE="funsohng"]Casualization has been going on with every game. And everyone is freaking out, but personally I don't think so. One of the people who actually understand what casualization is Yangire, and other people are just very misunderstood by the entire concept. Mass Effect, arguably, is a result of casualization. It cut a lot of things and made it more of action-oriented RPG. And you can't blame them for that, it made the game accessible, ultimately making it a great game to play. You give Mass Effect to actual hardcore RPG gamers who play dungeon cralwers. They won't even classify it as an RPG. Same with a lot of shooters, they streamlined the experience and made it easier to just sip into the experience. So in the end, is Sony really not casualizing their games? Hell no, look at God of War 3 and Uncharted 2, those games are just so simple. But that's not a bad thing, it broadens the scope of gaming audience and really, I think it's great.gohan2710

there is really nothing to critisize about microsoft. their current bissness model is doing Very good.

sinpkr

Consoles hardcore?

I guess hardcore now days means playing a game for 2 months then abandoning it in droves aka Killzone 2

You can blame the wii for the trend of causual futures for consoles. Companies want to make money and well the causal market works.

Atleast the pc doesn't seem to be going anywere.

Exculsives will be gone in the coming years. First party devs will start to leave and going multiplatform, there is more money to be made.

Hardcore gaming is something that gamers have created in their minds to separate themselves from casual gamers, prior to the wii craze there wasn't really this category of hardcore games really. Look at pa rappa the rapper or super mario. Those games are casual in nature in the sense that they are pick up and play games and can be dropped at any time, but some consider the older games to be hardcore games because they were harder to play. Making a game more accessible isn't necessarily making it casual it just makes it more accessible. I think as gamers we're just territorial about our gaming space, think back to before the wii and how many people actually played games compared to now, and even in some cases how some of us might've been ridiculed for playing games being categorized as geeks or nerds and now those same people are playing the same games they ridiculed us for.

And to make matters worse these game developers and publishers, these companies that we've supported since day 1 are now catering their games to this casual crowd, so now the gamers of old feel like the older child who's been forgotten for the new baby. We're all gamers, and we all play games but we create a distinct separation in that we're the older sibling, that we know more than they do and we've been doing this gaming thing longer than they have and start to list all the old school games that we've played and how we can get through the hardest games and they can't.

We are now separating ourselves from them as they did to us before games became popular, not to sound bitter but video games were considered a niche thing and now it's not. So we create this wall and put a sign out in front that says "Hardcore gamers only" and make ourselves different from those on the other side of the wall.

At least that's just my theory.

The only system that hasn't been mainstreaming games is the PC.

tagyhag

Simplistic doesn't mean worse. Galaxy 1 and 2 are very streamlined games, but that doesn't mean they're dumbed down. "Consolization" is a good thing when done right, it means I will care more for PC gaming.

Fewer buttons, one color, small, clean, cool design etc. yes I'm talking about the Apple-like Wii. Everything is getting 'consolized' in the world, not just games. Gone are the days where making stuff more complex automatically means better. Nintendo went back and focused on the fundamental parts of what makes a game and out came Wii along with very accessible/intuitive games that have extraordinary learning curves and manages to find the sweet spot in difficulty.

I love it because Nintendo managed to somehow merge the non gamer with the core one together. Some games are bridge titles (MKWii), some games cater more to us (Zelda) and other more focused for them (Wii Party). I feel proud of being a part of a collective, rather than being labeled casual or hardcore like what Microsoft is doing with Kinect.

[QUOTE="tagyhag"]

The only system that hasn't been mainstreaming games is the PC.

kontejner44

Simplistic doesn't mean worse. Galaxy 1 and 2 are very streamlined games, but that doesn't mean they're dumbed down. "Consolization" is a good thing when done right, it means I will care more for PC gaming.

Fewer buttons, one color, small, clean, cool design etc. yes I'm talking about the Apple-like Wii. Everything is getting 'consolized' in the world, not just games. Gone are the days where making stuff more complex automatically means better. Nintendo went back and focused on the fundamental parts of what makes a game and out came Wii along with very accessible/intuitive games that have extraordinary learning curves and manages to find the sweet spot in difficulty.

I love it because Nintendo managed to somehow merge the non gamer with the core one together. Some games are bridge titles (MKWii), some games cater more to us (Zelda) and other more focused for them (Wii Party). I feel proud of being a part of a collective, rather than being labeled casual or hardcore like what Microsoft is doing with Kinect.

I agree.

[QUOTE="Metroid_Other_M"]

we all should support Sony for still caring about the hardcore audience and criticizing Microsoft for not even trying, because Kinect will likely be very successful.

yes, we don't know yet what titles are being planned to build the next Microsoft's exclusive lineup, but the path Microsoft is taking is clear.

Everyone bashed Nintendo for "ruining" gaming and I partially agree with those people, but even Nintendo showed that they still care.

but I guess those are just trivial words and nothing can stop the casualization and raping of our favorite hobby.

coylenintendo

okay then.. lol just grow up and play video games instead of crying about the companies who make them. and enough with the sheep, hermit and cow thing. unless a fan of a video game system starts to get white fur or udders, then stop with the gay animal names.

[QUOTE="tagyhag"]

The only system that hasn't been mainstreaming games is the PC.

kontejner44

Simplistic doesn't mean worse. Galaxy 1 and 2 are very streamlined games, but that doesn't mean they're dumbed down. "Consolization" is a good thing when done right, it means I will care more for PC gaming.

Fewer buttons, one color, small, clean, cool design etc. yes I'm talking about the Apple-like Wii. Everything is getting 'consolized' in the world, not just games. Gone are the days where making stuff more complex automatically means better. Nintendo went back and focused on the fundamental parts of what makes a game and out came Wii along with very accessible/intuitive games that have extraordinary learning curves and manages to find the sweet spot in difficulty.

I love it because Nintendo managed to somehow merge the non gamer with the core one together. Some games are bridge titles (MKWii), some games cater more to us (Zelda) and other more focused for them (Wii Party). I feel proud of being a part of a collective, rather than being labeled casual or hardcore like what Microsoft is doing with Kinect.

I can't think of a single "hardcore" game Sony has released this gen. They've released some core titles, and plenty of casual/bro-gamer stuff... but the only thing that even comes close to approaching "hardcore" is Demon's Souls... and even then its still pretty tame and isn't an in-house Sony first-party.

The only "hardcore" games coming out this gen are coming from indie developers.

we all should support Sony for still caring about the hardcore audience and criticizing Microsoft for not even trying, because Kinect will likely be very successful.

yes, we don't know yet what titles are being planned to build the next Microsoft's exclusive lineup, but the path Microsoft is taking is clear.

Everyone bashed Nintendo for "ruining" gaming and I partially agree with those people, but even Nintendo showed that they still care.

but I guess those are just trivial words and nothing can stop the casualization and raping of our favorite hobby.

Metroid_Other_M

SO I don't see why I should support Sony for the reasons you've named

I can't think of a single "hardcore" game Sony has released this gen. They've released some core titles, and plenty of casual/bro-gamer stuff... but the only thing that even comes close to approaching "hardcore" is Demon's Souls... and even then its still pretty tame and isn't an in-house Sony first-party.

The only "hardcore" games coming out this gen are coming from indie developers.

foxhound_fox

That is ridiculous, hardcore games are games like GOW3, KZ2 , Heavy Rain . Games for gamers, that is what hes refering to. For some reason pc gamers thing a hardcore game is some indie game that only a small amonunt of people have played. The fact is the PS3 is they only console maker that has a 2011 lineup for games for gamers. While xbox an the wii are still foucused on casual motion trash.

[QUOTE="Metroid_Other_M"]

we all should support Sony for still caring about the hardcore audience and criticizing Microsoft for not even trying, because Kinect will likely be very successful.

yes, we don't know yet what titles are being planned to build the next Microsoft's exclusive lineup, but the path Microsoft is taking is clear.

Everyone bashed Nintendo for "ruining" gaming and I partially agree with those people, but even Nintendo showed that they still care.

but I guess those are just trivial words and nothing can stop the casualization and raping of our favorite hobby.

AdrianWerner

SO I don't see why I should support Sony for the reasons you've named

Except Sony released the move to be used with existing games .Yes it will have its shouvelware but its certainley better then Microsoft wich now seems to be focused on it.

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

[QUOTE="Metroid_Other_M"]

we all should support Sony for still caring about the hardcore audience and criticizing Microsoft for not even trying, because Kinect will likely be very successful.

yes, we don't know yet what titles are being planned to build the next Microsoft's exclusive lineup, but the path Microsoft is taking is clear.

Everyone bashed Nintendo for "ruining" gaming and I partially agree with those people, but even Nintendo showed that they still care.

but I guess those are just trivial words and nothing can stop the casualization and raping of our favorite hobby.

TheSterls

SO I don't see why I should support Sony for the reasons you've named

Except Sony released the move to be used with existing games .Yes it will have its shouvelware but its certainley better then Microsoft wich now seems to be focused on it.

[QUOTE="TheSterls"]

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]Sony released Move you know, so they're also taking part in casualization of the industry. Heck...every platform is (PC might not have a company behind it, but it's leading the charge with browser games).

SO I don't see why I should support Sony for the reasons you've named

AdrianWerner

Except Sony released the move to be used with existing games .Yes it will have its shouvelware but its certainley better then Microsoft wich now seems to be focused on it.

we all should support Sony for still caring about the hardcore audience and criticizing Microsoft for not even trying, because Kinect will likely be very successful.

yes, we don't know yet what titles are being planned to build the next Microsoft's exclusive lineup, but the path Microsoft is taking is clear.

Everyone bashed Nintendo for "ruining" gaming and I partially agree with those people, but even Nintendo showed that they still care.

but I guess those are just trivial words and nothing can stop the casualization and raping of our favorite hobby.

Metroid_Other_M

1. MS can take whatever path MS wishes to take, I will support them if I like what they make.

2. I don't agree that Nintendo ruined anything, and I believe the suggestion is laughable. They continue to develop and publish some of the best games in the industry.

3. The MGS announced titles going forward are Gears of War 3, Forza Motorsport 4, Codename D, Haunt, Project Draco, Radiant Silvergun, Fire Pro Wrestling, and Ilomilo. Excepting the last two XBLA titles, none of those are "casual" (dumb term) titles, not that I would have a problem with it if they were. Exactly what do you see in those titles that suggests otherwise?

4. And even if I felt MS were going in a direction that wasn't for me, why would I give my money to Sony on that account? Sony has to earn my money, just like everyone else. Sony marketed Move as something that wasn't just for "casuals" (dumb term) because they were trying to carve out a place in a crowded market where they were clearly outmatched in terms of marketing and hype.

I allways find funny ppl who love and hate companies! I could care less about MS, Sony or any other company, i care about games. This gen i have been supporting 360 because it gets games i like. PS3 seems to be doing better next year so maybe i´ll get one in the future. Still, nothing will change the fun i have been having in the last 5 years with the xbox.

[QUOTE="coylenintendo"]

[QUOTE="Metroid_Other_M"]

we all should support Sony for still caring about the hardcore audience and criticizing Microsoft for not even trying, because Kinect will likely be very successful.

yes, we don't know yet what titles are being planned to build the next Microsoft's exclusive lineup, but the path Microsoft is taking is clear.

Everyone bashed Nintendo for "ruining" gaming and I partially agree with those people, but even Nintendo showed that they still care.

but I guess those are just trivial words and nothing can stop the casualization and raping of our favorite hobby.

Metroid_Other_M

okay then.. lol just grow up and play video games instead of crying about the companies who make them. and enough with the sheep, hermit and cow thing. unless a fan of a video game system starts to get white fur or udders, then stop with the gay animal names.

[QUOTE="Metroid_Other_M"][QUOTE="coylenintendo"]

okay then.. lol just grow up and play video games instead of crying about the companies who make them. and enough with the sheep, hermit and cow thing. unless a fan of a video game system starts to get white fur or udders, then stop with the gay animal names.

Vinegar_Strokes

opinions. why childish is bad anyway? isn't play videogames somewhat childish too? why is that a bad thing?

Generally, thinking a 1st party "cares" about their audience for reasons other than making more money; is a sign someone has emotionally invested themselves into a brand a little too much.

Generally, thinking a 1st party "cares" about their audience for reasons other than making more money; is a sign someone has emotionally invested themselves into a brand a little too much.

AnnoyedDragon

Seconded. :P

there is really nothing to critisize about microsoft. their current bissness model is doing Very good.

sinpkr

[QUOTE="sinpkr"]

there is really nothing to critisize about microsoft. their current bissness model is doing Very good.

ioannisdenton

Sony also has the least amount of quality exclusives available on their system according to Gamespot.

[QUOTE="sinpkr"]

there is really nothing to critisize about microsoft. their current bissness model is doing Very good.

ioannisdenton

[QUOTE="kontejner44"]

[QUOTE="tagyhag"]

The only system that hasn't been mainstreaming games is the PC.

tagyhag

Simplistic doesn't mean worse. Galaxy 1 and 2 are very streamlined games, but that doesn't mean they're dumbed down. "Consolization" is a good thing when done right, it means I will care more for PC gaming.

Fewer buttons, one color, small, clean, cool design etc. yes I'm talking about the Apple-like Wii. Everything is getting 'consolized' in the world, not just games. Gone are the days where making stuff more complex automatically means better. Nintendo went back and focused on the fundamental parts of what makes a game and out came Wii along with very accessible/intuitive games that have extraordinary learning curves and manages to find the sweet spot in difficulty.

I love it because Nintendo managed to somehow merge the non gamer with the core one together. Some games are bridge titles (MKWii), some games cater more to us (Zelda) and other more focused for them (Wii Party). I feel proud of being a part of a collective, rather than being labeled casual or hardcore like what Microsoft is doing with Kinect.

Mass Effect actually had exporation unlike Mass Effect 2 which is just a linear corridor shooter

I still see a ton of non casual games being made for the 360 so Im not really sure what the issue is.

Kinect is just another step towards evolution of videogames (and virtual reality). If everytime something new is introduced to gaming people jump up and shout 'Gimmick!' or 'Fad!' then gaming would never evolve.

If these kinds of people had their way, we would still be controlling character movements with the D-pad. DA got its fair amount of hate when it was introduced.

Is it just me or has fanboyism got a lot worse lately? Uncharted 3 trailer comes out and its the death of the Xbox and final victory of the PS3. TheColbert

Its how system wars works.

Where do I sign up?

Where is the free buffet?

Kinect is just another step towards evolution of videogames (and virtual reality). If everytime something new is introduced to gaming people jump up and shout 'Gimmick!' or 'Fad!' then gaming would never evolve.

If these kinds of people had their way, we would still be controlling character movements with the D-pad. DA got its fair amount of hate when it was introduced.

Wii4Fun

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

[QUOTE="TheSterls"]

Except Sony released the move to be used with existing games .Yes it will have its shouvelware but its certainley better then Microsoft wich now seems to be focused on it.

aia89