No MMO's on consoles? Blame Sony and MS

There's no denying that some of the most addictive games out there are MMOs. But if you find it frustrating that you can't have them on your beloved PS3 and Xbox 360, blame Sony and Microsoft. According to Cryptic Studios' Star Trek Online MMORPG Star Trek Online captain Craig Zinkievich, the two publishers don't understand console MMOs, making it difficult to bring the games to their respective systems.

As far as console power goes, no problemo. The PS3 and and Xbox 360 are well-equipped with the right stuff to run MMOs. The problem lies, according to Zinkievich, is that Sony and MS don't quite get the business side of console MMOs. "When it comes to the business, I'll be honest, the business part of bringing MMOs to consoles has been really sticky," Zinkievich told Eurogamer in an interview.

Trying to get Sony, trying to get Microsoft to really understand MMOs; really understand what needs to happen for MMOs, and then figure out all the business aspects of those games, has really been a difficulty for all of the MMO developers.

In fact, the only reason that Final Fantasy XI, the only MMO on the Xbox 360, was possible was because "so many exceptions were made." Zinkievich added that getting the the platform holders to understand the network technologies needed have been "the really big hangups".

For now, Cryptic hasn't announced which consoles will Star Trek Online be playable in, but the PC version is expected to come early next year.

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;3 Guess they can't find the best way to milk as much money out of those monthly fees without pissing off the devs, eh?

There are plans for MMOs you know?? FFXIV, DC Universe, and IIRC the Star Wars one (can't remember the name)

In the end, it's fine for me. I don't like MMOs.

There are plans for MMOs you know?? FFXIV, DC Universe, and IIRC the Star Wars one (can't remember the name)

In the end, it's fine for me. I don't like MMOs.

GreenGoblin2099

I don't understand why people would want MMOs on consoles to begin with. Those games are made better by addons, and MS and Sony sure know how to suck the money outta your pockets if you want DLC.

On top of that with addons comes more memory usage meaning you'll want to upgrade, but you can't do that on a console! Same goes with content patches and such that add more to the game. You will eventually need an upgrade if you want your MMO to last.

Seriously, just let it go. This genre is just another in the line of genres that are always superior on PCs.

[QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"]

There are plans for MMOs you know?? FFXIV, DC Universe, and IIRC the Star Wars one (can't remember the name)

In the end, it's fine for me. I don't like MMOs.

killab2oo5

Well, MMOs are just like RTS IMO. They are better on PCs so what gives??

[QUOTE="killab2oo5"][QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"]

There are plans for MMOs you know?? FFXIV, DC Universe, and IIRC the Star Wars one (can't remember the name)

In the end, it's fine for me. I don't like MMOs.

GreenGoblin2099

Well, MMOs are just like RTS IMO. They are better on PCs so what gives??

I don't understand why people would want MMOs on consoles to begin with. Those games are made better by addons, and MS and Sony sure know how to suck the money outta your pockets if you want DLC.

On top of that with addons comes more memory usage meaning you'll want to upgrade, but you can't do that on a console! Same goes with content patches and such that add more to the game. You will eventually need an upgrade if you want your MMO to last.

Seriously, just let it go. This genre is just another in the line of genres that are always superior on PCs.

Mr_Nordquist

I would never play an MMO on a console so i could care less.

Compare the amount of buttons needed with MMO vs FPS and you would get the answer, also MMO is all about getting add-ons to improve your performance, I am gonna use the top WOW guild as an example.

At Blizzcon, they actually wiped a few times due to "not having our add-ons"

Unless they build a MMO with console in mind from ground up (Much like Halo was built with console FPS in mind, adding regenerating shield, auto aim, 1 button grenade etc) I don't think there's a point of importing MMO to console

From personal experience, console MMO is rubbish, having tried FF XI on the 360.

If playing console MMO's means me having to go through that play-online viewer non-sense consider me counted out. I'll stick to PC affiliated non-Aion MMO's

Compare the amount of buttons needed with MMO vs FPS and you would get the answer, also MMO is all about getting add-ons to improve your performance, I am gonna use the top WOW guild as an example.

At Blizzcon, they actually wiped a few times due to "not having our add-ons"

Unless they build a MMO with console in mind from ground up (Much like Halo was built with console FPS in mind, adding regenerating shield, auto aim, 1 button grenade etc) I don't think there's a point of importing MMO to console

salxis

I don't get it. What don't MS and Sony understand? They both have broadband connections and ways to deliver updates, patches and DLC. I can somewhat understand needing exceptions from MS since they prefer everything to go through Live, but it's been done before and there's no reason it couldn't be done again. Sony, in particular, has quite a bit of experience with MMO's. So what is he expecting from them? Does he expect them to take care of all the monthly billing and customer service or something?

On top of that with addons comes more memory usage meaning you'll want to upgrade, but you can't do that on a console! Same goes with content patches and such that add more to the game. You will eventually need an upgrade if you want your MMO to lastMr_Nordquist

Speaking as a person who has invested alot of time into MMO's I have one tip; Avoid MMO's.

I would never play an MMO on a console so i could care less.

Fizzman

Promise that to yourself. Ayt? you'll be surprise one day.

Sony sure screwed FFXI over back when they put out the PS2 Slim without hard drive support. FFXIV won't have that problem so it could very well become the first highly successful console MMO. We'll see.

From personal experience, console MMO is rubbish, having tried FF XI on the 360.

If playing console MMO's means me having to go through that play-online viewer non-sense consider me counted out. I'll stick to PC affiliated non-Aion MMO's

Dead-Memories

I don't care about MMO's i just want a real next gen PSO/PSU game with no ******** monthly fees or MH3 on a current gen console would be as good.Syferonik

[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

I would never play an MMO on a console so i could care less.

Laharl5

Promise that to yourself. Ayt? you'll be surprise one day.

Why on Earth would i ever play an MMO on a console when i always keep up to date with my Comp so its 100x better then consoles, and lets not forget the most important fact KB/M, which is the sole reason why MMO's fail outright on consoles. Also mods, which is a very close 2nd as to why MMO's fail on consoles. I will say this i would play an MMO on a console if i could get every mod, and could use KB/M, which basically means im playing on a PC.

CCP seem to be optimistic with Dust 514 on the PS3/360.

Im confused...what kind of info has he given on what they dont understand? he didn't give a specific answer....one cannot disagree or agree without a specific reason as to why its not happening....

I don't understand why people would want MMOs on consoles to begin with. Those games are made better by addons, and MS and Sony sure know how to suck the money outta your pockets if you want DLC.

On top of that with addons comes more memory usage meaning you'll want to upgrade, but you can't do that on a console! Same goes with content patches and such that add more to the game. You will eventually need an upgrade if you want your MMO to last.

Seriously, just let it go. This genre is just another in the line of genres that are always superior on PCs.

Mr_Nordquist

As far as I'm concerned, MMORPGS pretty much require keyboards and I expect those are the ones you're referring to.

Would you really see yourself mapping all the button onto a 360 pad or ps3 pad? No thanks, MMO's belong on PC.

MMOs are for the PC.

Even if they came to the consoles, I wouldn't play them.

There are plans for MMOs you know?? FFXIV, DC Universe, and IIRC the Star Wars one (can't remember the name)

In the end, it's fine for me. I don't like MMOs.

There are plans for MMOs you know?? FFXIV, DC Universe, and IIRC the Star Wars one (can't remember the name)

In the end, it's fine for me. I don't like MMOs.

I shall thank SONY and MS every night for not allowing so many MMO's.

Why on Earth would i ever play an MMO on a console when i always keep up to date with my Comp so its 100x better then consoles, and lets not forget the most important fact KB/M, which is the sole reason why MMO's fail outright on consoles. Also mods, which is a very close 2nd as to why MMO's fail on consoles. I will say this i would play an MMO on a console if i could get every mod, and could use KB/M, which basically means im playing on a PC.

Fizzman

Exactly, also you need a KB to play anyway due to the invnentorys of most games/key binds. You might as well play it on a PC.toxicmog

As far as I'm concerned, MMORPGS pretty much require keyboards and I expect those are the ones you're referring to.

Filthybastrd

Would you really see yourself mapping all the button onto a 360 pad or ps3 pad? No thanks, MMO's belong on PC.

archvile_78

You all realize that both the 360 and PS3 support standard USB keyboards, right? And FF XI on the PS2 proved that a controller works just as well, if not better, than a mouse.;)

Well Sony seem to have 3 of their own MMO projects for the PS3 as well as XIV, and some other PS3 MMO for Japan. So clearly they're making an effort for PS3 MMOs. Haven't really been keeping up with what MS is doing for 360 MMOs.CakeBalls

I'm fine with MMO's not being on consoles. Stick to the PC.

[QUOTE="CakeBalls"]Well Sony seem to have 3 of their own MMO projects for the PS3 as well as XIV, and some other PS3 MMO for Japan. So clearly they're making an effort for PS3 MMOs. Haven't really been keeping up with what MS is doing for 360 MMOs.ManicAce

[QUOTE="Mr_Nordquist"]

I don't understand why people would want MMOs on consoles to begin with. Those games are made better by addons, and MS and Sony sure know how to suck the money outta your pockets if you want DLC.

On top of that with addons comes more memory usage meaning you'll want to upgrade, but you can't do that on a console! Same goes with content patches and such that add more to the game. You will eventually need an upgrade if you want your MMO to last.

Seriously, just let it go. This genre is just another in the line of genres that are always superior on PCs.

toxicmog

They've had console MMOs. And they've all fail horribly. The closest to console WoW was Final Fantasy XI.

[QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"]

There are plans for MMOs you know?? FFXIV, DC Universe, and IIRC the Star Wars one (can't remember the name)

In the end, it's fine for me. I don't like MMOs.

killab2oo5

There are already a few MMO's on consoles, not to mention FFV for PS3, and MAG is consideredan MMOFPS if not an MMORPG (though you are talking about RPG's I assume).

meh, not a big mmo fan myself. and at any rate, PC is where that genre excells.

[QUOTE="toxicmog"][QUOTE="Mr_Nordquist"]

I don't understand why people would want MMOs on consoles to begin with. Those games are made better by addons, and MS and Sony sure know how to suck the money outta your pockets if you want DLC.

On top of that with addons comes more memory usage meaning you'll want to upgrade, but you can't do that on a console! Same goes with content patches and such that add more to the game. You will eventually need an upgrade if you want your MMO to last.

Seriously, just let it go. This genre is just another in the line of genres that are always superior on PCs.

HuusAsking

So you wanna consolize MMO's ill pass. As for the person who stated that KB/M works on console MMO's basically FF11 thats great, but no mods= no deal sorry. Good luck getting MS/Sony to allow third party downloads onto their servers/systems, with absolutely no verification that they arent viruses, keyloggers, trojans.

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="toxicmog"] Exactly, also you need a KB to play anyway due to the invnentorys of most games/key binds. You might as well play it on a PC.Fizzman

So you wanna consolize MMO's ill pass. As for the person who stated that KB/M works on console MMO's basically FF11 thats great, but no mods= no deal sorry. Good luck getting MS/Sony to allow third party downloads onto their servers/systems, with absolutely no verification that they arent viruses, keyloggers, trojans.

This really isn't a very good article. I have a real hard time believing sony, who themselves put out several MMOs, has any misunderstandings about them. Sony may not be cooperative, but that's not a misunderstanding issue. I suspect is the same in the MS camp as they have their live structure, and are reluctant to break that structure just for the sake of an MMO. DerekLoffin

Basically. The whole thing read like DC for a dev that wanted to shove the blame elsewhere. While we do know that the current policies MS has with Live have kept some MMOs away (most notably, FFXIV) Sony has several cross platform MMOs on the way and you don't hear those devs crying.

I prefer to play an MMO on a PC, usually. But I'm happy to know that if my PCs have problems running XIV well, my PS3 is available. While this dev tries to figure it out, SE will be getting my money.

No MMO's on consoles!? Then I wonder what that lovely game call FFXI that I play on my 360 is.

[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]So why not make an MMO where such a system isn't necessary?Rockman999

So you wanna consolize MMO's ill pass. As for the person who stated that KB/M works on console MMO's basically FF11 thats great, but no mods= no deal sorry. Good luck getting MS/Sony to allow third party downloads onto their servers/systems, with absolutely no verification that they arent viruses, keyloggers, trojans.

That's not true. Consoles are basically modified computers. They could easily get viruses if hackers were given the opportunity.

[QUOTE="Rockman999"]

[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

So you wanna consolize MMO's ill pass. As for the person who stated that KB/M works on console MMO's basically FF11 thats great, but no mods= no deal sorry. Good luck getting MS/Sony to allow third party downloads onto their servers/systems, with absolutely no verification that they arent viruses, keyloggers, trojans.

Phoenix534

That's not true. Consoles are basically modified computers. They could easily get viruses if hackers were given the opportunity.