No Multiplayer will hurt it's score, and stop it from getting AAA

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#1 Lilac_Benjie
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  • Halo CE did not win 2002 GOTY. Metroid Prime did, despite no multiplayer.
  • Wind Waker won 2003 GOTY, despite no multiplayer.
  • Halo 2 did not win 2004 GOTY.
  • Resident Evil 4 won 2005 GOTY, despite no multiplayer.
  • The second highest rated game on the Xbox360 has no multiplayer.
  • The two highest rated games on the Playstation 3 have no multiplayer.
  • Metroid Prime 2 had multiplayer, and it sucked. The game scored AAA on it's single player merits.
  • 50% of the highest rated games on Gamespot have no multiplayer.
  • Bioshock is the spiritual successor to a game which was named among the greatest games of all time on Gamespot.
  • Metroid Prime 3 is the ninth game in a series that has scored consistently well. The first Metroid Prime has won GOTY on this site (which places it firmly ahead of Halo: CE) and previews have praised the use of Wii controls.


Multiplayer is something which has the potential to boost a games score, but only if it's good. Lack of multiplayer has never stood in the way of a game being critically acclaimed. So enough with the trash talk.

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#2 MADVLAD123
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That was back then...now it's kinda of a different story. Multiplayer is sort of a "must" in games these days. Sure lack of multiplayer may not hurt it, but it does help replay value, which in turn helps its score.
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#3 norfair_dweller
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I'm not agreeing or disagreeing, but the game Bioshock is a spiritual successor to had co-op.
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That was back then...now it's kinda of a different story. Multiplayer is sort of a "must" in games these days. Sure lack of multiplayer may not hurt it, but it does help replay value, which in turn helps its score.MADVLAD123

If Bioshock has all the options and stuff to do the developers say it does, I don't really think that will be a problem.

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#5 Killer2401
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I have seen people turn away from nascar 08 because its only one player (offline.)
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That was back then...now it's kinda of a different story. Multiplayer is sort of a "must" in games these days. Sure lack of multiplayer may not hurt it, but it does help replay value, which in turn helps its score.MADVLAD123

waayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy back a year ago :|

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#7 Private_Vegas
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Take a lesson from Shadowrun everyone. All the multiplayer in the world won't save you from a bad/non-existant singleplayer. SP makes and breaks games.
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#8 MADVLAD123
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[QUOTE="MADVLAD123"]That was back then...now it's kinda of a different story. Multiplayer is sort of a "must" in games these days. Sure lack of multiplayer may not hurt it, but it does help replay value, which in turn helps its score.norfair_dweller

If Bioshock has all the options and stuff to do the developers say it does, I don't really think that will be a problem.

Oh yea, there are exceptions. Like you said,Bioshock...As well as Mass Effect and the rest.

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#9 e10mgs
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in most cases i would say having no multiplayer would hurt an FPS, but in biosock's case considering the game is centred round the story and single-player it will make litlle difference.
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Take a lesson from Shadowrun everyone. All the multiplayer in the world won't save you from a bad/non-existant singleplayer. SP makes and breaks games.Private_Vegas

*Looks at Counter-Strike*, ok you're the expert 0_o....

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That was back then...now it's kinda of a different story. Multiplayer is sort of a "must" in games these days.MADVLAD123

Not true. Please read all of my points.

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[QUOTE="Private_Vegas"]Take a lesson from Shadowrun everyone. All the multiplayer in the world won't save you from a bad/non-existant singleplayer. SP makes and breaks games.Koalakommander

*Looks at Counter-Strike*, ok you're the expert 0_o....

Counter-Strike really isn't a full-fledged game.

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[QUOTE="MADVLAD123"]That was back then...now it's kinda of a different story. Multiplayer is sort of a "must" in games these days.Lilac_Benjie

Not true. Please read all of my points.

I read your post. And don't cut off my post in the quote. I had more to say than that.

Also, I've already said that there are exceptions.

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#14 Koalakommander
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[QUOTE="Koalakommander"]

[QUOTE="Private_Vegas"]Take a lesson from Shadowrun everyone. All the multiplayer in the world won't save you from a bad/non-existant singleplayer. SP makes and breaks games.norfair_dweller

*Looks at Counter-Strike*, ok you're the expert 0_o....

Counter-Strike really isn't a full-fledged game.

no it's just one of the most played online FPSs in the world. I really don't think any CS player cares about it being nominated for anything.

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#15 Game_Addict247
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I agree with what you're saying, but Halo CE couldn't win 2002 GOTY, because it was released in 2001.
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#16 LibertySaint
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shadowrun is fun i still play, it just doesn't have the highest production values, hell its really fun imo, i love killing lil midgets and tearing down trolls and stomping on ghey elves. ITS GREAT! reminds me of how fun counter strike, is...but anyways, yeah multiplayer isn't a must, but it adds to the fun onece your done a games, esciaplly if it only last around12 hours, u'll want multiplayer no matter the score.
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#17 Heil68
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I think you got some good points there...
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#18 kittykatz5k
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Wait, I thought halo 2 DID win goty....
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Multiplayer set the second one back, right? So then in this case, no multiplayer is actually a good thing for Metroid Prime 3: Corruption. :)

Honestly, if you want to play Metroid online, buy Metroid Prime: Hunters. Besides, I'm sure there will eventually be another Metroid Prime spin-off on Wii that has multiplayer, so just be patient.

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I thought this was about Bioshock.
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#21 LibertySaint
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[QUOTE="Koalakommander"]

[QUOTE="Private_Vegas"]Take a lesson from Shadowrun everyone. All the multiplayer in the world won't save you from a bad/non-existant singleplayer. SP makes and breaks games.norfair_dweller

*Looks at Counter-Strike*, ok you're the expert 0_o....

Counter-Strike really isn't a full-fledged game.

a full fledge game....it does everything any other games does and does it well...it just doesn't have single player if say thats what doesn't make it full fledge...but umm single player wouldn't be that great...tho saying they could make a great campagin...but umm i'm pretyy sure CS is a full fledge game, just ask any CS fan or CS clan...

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#22 Game_Addict247
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Wait, I thought halo 2 DID win goty....kittykatz5k

World of Warcraft got 2004 GOTY.

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#23 Killer2401
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Halo:CE came out in 2001 not 02
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#24 Game_Addict247
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Multiplayer set the second one back, right? So then in this case, no multiplayer is actually a good thing for Metroid Prime 3: Corruption. :)

Honestly, if you want to play Metroid online, buy Metroid Prime: Hunters. Besides, I'm sure there will eventually be another Metroid Prime spin-off on Wii that has multiplayer, so just be patient.

REVOLUTIONfreak

I don't see, really, how having multiplayer (even bad multiplayer) can hold a game back, as long as it doesn't harm the quality of the single player game.

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#25 masterpinky2000
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Will be interesting to see the GS review of Bioshock, which I'm guessing will be a 9.0 or 9.5 based on the advance reviews coming out.
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#26 nintendofreak_2
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TC you should say something about Hunters. The worst scoring game in the series and was based on multi-player.

You raised some pretty good points there. Nice post.

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#27 project343
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  • Wind Waker won 2003 GOTY, despite no multiplayer.
Lilac_Benjie


Wind Waker stole GOTY from KOTOR. Everyone knows KOTOR deserved the award... and it also didn't have multiplayer. :P
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  • Halo CE did not win 2002 GOTY. Metroid Prime did, despite no multiplayer.
  • Wind Waker won 2003 GOTY, despite no multiplayer.
  • Halo 2 did not win 2004 GOTY.
  • Resident Evil 4 won 2005 GOTY, despite no multiplayer.
  • The second highest rated game on the Xbox360 has no multiplayer.
  • The two highest rated games on the Playstation 3 have no multiplayer.
  • Metroid Prime 2 had multiplayer, and it sucked. The game scored AAA on it's single player merits.
  • 50% of the highest rated games on Gamespot have no multiplayer.
  • Bioshock is the spiritual successor to a game which was named among the greatest games of all time on Gamespot.
  • Metroid Prime 3 is the ninth game in a series that has scored consistently well. The first Metroid Prime has won GOTY on this site (which places it firmly ahead of Halo: CE) and previews have praised the use of Wii controls.


Multiplayer is something which has the potential to boost a games score, but only if it's good. Lack of multiplayer has never stood in the way of a game being critically acclaimed. So enough with the trash talk.

Lilac_Benjie

Halo:CE was released in 2001 (launch title). Metroid Prime came out in 2002. Why would Halo will GOTY for 2002??

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That was back then...now it's kinda of a different story. Multiplayer is sort of a "must" in games these days. Sure lack of multiplayer may not hurt it, but it does help replay value, which in turn helps its score.MADVLAD123

2005 was only two years ago you know :|

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[QUOTE="norfair_dweller"][QUOTE="Koalakommander"]

[QUOTE="Private_Vegas"]Take a lesson from Shadowrun everyone. All the multiplayer in the world won't save you from a bad/non-existant singleplayer. SP makes and breaks games.LibertySaint

*Looks at Counter-Strike*, ok you're the expert 0_o....

Counter-Strike really isn't a full-fledged game.

a full fledge game....it does everything any other games does and does it well...it just doesn't have single player if say thats what doesn't make it full fledge...but umm single player wouldn't be that great...tho saying they could make a great campagin...but umm i'm pretyy sure CS is a full fledge game, just ask any CS fan or CS clan...

Counter-Strike lacks a single player component, so I don't consider it a full-fledged game. And this is just my opinion, but single player is usually what I buy a game for.

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#31 project343
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Counter-Strike lacks a single player component, so I don't consider it a full-fledged game. And this is just my opinion, but single player is usually what I buy a game for.

norfair_dweller


What about MMORPGs? :?
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#32 Lilac_Benjie
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Halo:CE was released in 2001 (launch title). Metroid Prime came out in 2002. Why would Halo will GOTY for 2002??RaveRabbid

For me Halo was released in 2002, but regardless it did not win GOTY.

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What about MMORPGs? :?
project343
You don't need to play with other people to play. They are there, but you don't have to interact. The same could be said of Counter Strike but you can accomplish stuff alone in MMO's, Counter-Strike requires that you play against others to actually accomplish something.
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#34 Atilac
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[QUOTE="Lilac_Benjie"]
  • Wind Waker won 2003 GOTY, despite no multiplayer.

project343



Wind Waker stole GOTY from KOTOR. Everyone knows KOTOR deserved the award... and it also didn't have multiplayer. :P

Aye, KOTOR might very well be the best RPG in the past decade.

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#35 H3OXTC
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Other game genres are not expected to have multiplayer as much as FPS. Windwaker also wasn't expected to have multiplayer. Now a days most FPS games are expected to have some sort of multiplayer or they lose their replay value. Also back when Halo CE was released it only had LAN multiplayer and xbox live was not around that time. So it probably would have been a different story had Halo CE have a online multiplayer aspect.
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#36 hamstergeddon
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Metroid has never been one for multiplayer, but I hate to say it, multiplayer has become kinda a must for most genres of games, especially FPS's.  It'll still score AAA, but expect some mention of it in the review  
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#37 project343
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You don't need to play with other people to play. They are there, but you don't have to interact. The same could be said of Counter Strike but you can accomplish stuff alone in MMO's, Counter-Strike requires that you play against others to actually accomplish something.nintendofreak_2


Clearly you haven't played FFXI. You can't get anywhere without a group.
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#38 herozs
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For this gen and for some genre's multyplayer is a standard