No New Nvidia Gaming GPUs, GTX 1180 Missing @ Computex 2018

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Can't say I'm surprised, I wasn't expecting any news on a new GPU now, I'm waiting for august at Hot Chips 30

http://www.game-debate.com/news/25162/nvidia-will-detail-its-next-generation-geforce-graphics-cards-on-august-20th

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I personally wasn't expecting any announcements coming from Nvidia new GPU this month anyways, Nvidia can get away with not to release any new GPU because they don't have strong competition from AMD, and they have a core (though very niche) audience of people who are all too wiling to bend over for an extra 10-15% more performance over their old cards, so they pretty much do what they want.

@Dark_sageX said:

Can't say I'm surprised, I wasn't expecting any news on a new GPU now, I'm waiting for august at Hot Chips 30

http://www.game-debate.com/news/25162/nvidia-will-detail-its-next-generation-geforce-graphics-cards-on-august-20th

I'm interested to see the performance differences vs the 1080Ti, then further comparisons against the, TBA, 1180Ti in the future. If it’s more a sidestep, I’d likely just not bother upgrading, I feel like nowadays, unless you want 4K gaming, anything more than a 1060 is a waste.

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I'm quite surprised but honestly even if they announced a new GPU right now I wouldn't bite. I'm very happy with my 1070 and I don't plan to upgrade till like 2020 when the PS5 is about to release. Whatever chip they'd announce now would be a stop-gap between Pascal and a true next generation leap in GPU tech. I want the kind of bump I got from going from a 970 to a 1070 and I don't believe they are ready for that yet.

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#5  Edited By BassMan
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@davillain- said:

I personally wasn't expecting any announcements coming from Nvidia new GPU this month anyways, Nvidia can get away with not to release any new GPU because they don't have strong competition from AMD, and they have a core (though very niche) audience of people who are all too wiling to bend over for an extra 10-15% more performance over their old cards, so they pretty much do what they want.

@Dark_sageX said:

Can't say I'm surprised, I wasn't expecting any news on a new GPU now, I'm waiting for august at Hot Chips 30

http://www.game-debate.com/news/25162/nvidia-will-detail-its-next-generation-geforce-graphics-cards-on-august-20th

I'm interested to see the performance differences vs the 1080Ti, then further comparisons against the, TBA, 1180Ti in the future. If it’s more a sidestep, I’d likely just not bother upgrading, I feel like nowadays, unless you want 4K gaming, anything more than a 1060 is a waste.

GTX 1060 is pretty good for 1080p, but GTX 1070 is more ideal. GTX 1080 and up for 1440p and I wouldn't even bother with 4K unless one has a GTX 1080 Ti or Titan.

Shame there won't be any new cards for a while as 4K is a bitch to get a steady 60fps on more demanding games. Without new cards coming out soon, the only place to turn is to SLI setups and that is just a pain in the ass.

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@quadknight said:

I'm quite surprised but honestly even if they announced a new GPU right now I wouldn't bite. I'm very happy with my 1070 and I don't plan to upgrade till like 2020 when the PS5 is about to release. Whatever chip they'd announce now would be a stop-gap between Pascal and a true next generation leap in GPU tech. I want the kind of bump I got from going from a 970 to a 1070 and I don't believe they are ready for that yet.

Not sure why you believe the jump from a 1070 to an 1170 wouldn’t be as great as the jump from a 970 to a 1070/

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They might be trying to sort this mining shite out first. But at the end of the day they have the best cards out why release new ones?

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Dammit I finally saved up $800 for my new build, I don't mind a little more waiting though since by the time a GTX 1170 or 1160 comes out it will probably be in October/November and I can use that time to get black friday/holiday season deals for most of my parts.

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#9  Edited By 04dcarraher
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@GioVela2010 said:
@quadknight said:

I'm quite surprised but honestly even if they announced a new GPU right now I wouldn't bite. I'm very happy with my 1070 and I don't plan to upgrade till like 2020 when the PS5 is about to release. Whatever chip they'd announce now would be a stop-gap between Pascal and a true next generation leap in GPU tech. I want the kind of bump I got from going from a 970 to a 1070 and I don't believe they are ready for that yet.

Not sure why you believe the jump from a 1070 to an 1170 wouldn’t be as great as the jump from a 970 to a 1070/

It wont be based on the rumored specs..... Maxwell to Pascal was like 60%+ performance gains vs same tier from previous generation. They went from 28nm to 16nm. Them going from 16nm to 12nm ie 16nm++ Will yield like 10% improvements, then GDDR6 another 10-15% gains over GDDR5x. From what has been rumored spec wise we can expect reference 1170 to perform abit better than an overclocked GTX 1080. Performance per tier looks like it will only be a single tier step up. 1180~1080ti, 1170~1080, 1160~1070. Nvidia only has to do the typical 20-30% jump since AMD is not providing any real competition. Im hoping because of that ,Nvidia is waiting on 7nm in 2019 then will can see the same type of jump from maxwell to pascal. also what is concerning is that the rumored price points is following pascal's prices for same performance range.

Nvidia can ride on the Pascal into 2019 with no issue since AMD will not be relevant until 7nm/2019.

Anyone moving from 1070 or better to 1170/1180 series are going to be kicking themselves when Nvidia does a new gpu line with 7nm. These 1100 series is like a stop gap measure to fill in this two+ year length of this series.

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I guess consoles are holding back PCs again.

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@GioVela2010 said:

Not sure why you believe the jump from a 1070 to an 1170 wouldn’t be as great as the jump from a 970 to a 1070/

Die shrink.

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@Juub1990 said:
@GioVela2010 said:

Not sure why you believe the jump from a 1070 to an 1170 wouldn’t be as great as the jump from a 970 to a 1070/

*Massive*Die shrink.

Fixed

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@NoodleFighter said:

Dammit I finally saved up $800 for my new build, I don't mind a little more waiting though since by the time a GTX 1170 or 1160 comes out it will probably be in October/November and I can use that time to get black friday/holiday season deals for most of my parts.

Unless you are moving into 4K/60fps+ A simple GTX 1070/1080/Ti would be more then enough for you and those GPU are still quite powerful in there own rights.

@GioVela2010 said:
@quadknight said:

I'm quite surprised but honestly even if they announced a new GPU right now I wouldn't bite. I'm very happy with my 1070 and I don't plan to upgrade till like 2020 when the PS5 is about to release. Whatever chip they'd announce now would be a stop-gap between Pascal and a true next generation leap in GPU tech. I want the kind of bump I got from going from a 970 to a 1070 and I don't believe they are ready for that yet.

Not sure why you believe the jump from a 1070 to an 1170 wouldn’t be as great as the jump from a 970 to a 1070/

Each to their own, don't forget it all depends on the situation. If QuadKnight has a 4K Monitor and wants to take advantage of all those extra pixels and with ultra settings without cinematic framerates, a 1070 isn't really going to cut it. A 1070 doesn't need upgrading. A 1070 can do every game at 1080p/1440p high settings at 60fps, unless you care about 4K, you do not need to upgrade a 1070. Waste of money and even more wasteful is that 1070Ti, I don't even know why Nvidia wasted resource on that model!

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@davillain- said:

Waste of money and even more wasteful is that 1070Ti, I don't even know why Nvidia wasted resource on that model!

Its actually is less wasteful and makes them more money. When they make a GP 104 batch some do not make the cut to become a GTX 1080, so they would cut off the parts of the wafer and turn it into a GTX 1070. Now some of those wafers are only slightly unable to become a GTX 1080 so instead of chopping 25% to make it a 1070 they only chop off 5% of the wafer and it produces a usable gpu.

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@Juub1990 said:
@GioVela2010 said:

Not sure why you believe the jump from a 1070 to an 1170 wouldn’t be as great as the jump from a 970 to a 1070/

Die shrink.

But A GTX 670 and GTX 970 are 2 years apart, both 28nm fab, bOth GDDR5, and the performance is vastly different.

970 is like 80% faster than a 670 in Witcher 3 At 1080p

Were at a 2 year gap again, shrinking the die a bit, and switching to GDDR6 this time around.

at 4K it should be

GTX 1170 > GTX 1080

GTX 1180 > Titan Xp/1080Ti

its been wayyy too long to demand anything less

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@davillain- said:
@NoodleFighter said:

Dammit I finally saved up $800 for my new build, I don't mind a little more waiting though since by the time a GTX 1170 or 1160 comes out it will probably be in October/November and I can use that time to get black friday/holiday season deals for most of my parts.

Unless you are moving into 4K/60fps+ A simple GTX 1070/1080/Ti would be more then enough for you and those GPU are still quite powerful in there own rights.

I know that but I wanna future proof it a little more plus I do photo/video editing and 3D rendering so the extra horsepower is more than welcome. If the the GTX 1170 or GTX 1160 are too expensive though I will probably settle on a GTX 1060/1070/1080. I do plan on eventually making the switch to 4K but I don't mind not being able to play all games at 4k 60fps as long as its above 1080p.

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@davillain- said:
@NoodleFighter said:

Dammit I finally saved up $800 for my new build, I don't mind a little more waiting though since by the time a GTX 1170 or 1160 comes out it will probably be in October/November and I can use that time to get black friday/holiday season deals for most of my parts.

Unless you are moving into 4K/60fps+ A simple GTX 1070/1080/Ti would be more then enough for you and those GPU are still quite powerful in there own rights.

@GioVela2010 said:
@quadknight said:

I'm quite surprised but honestly even if they announced a new GPU right now I wouldn't bite. I'm very happy with my 1070 and I don't plan to upgrade till like 2020 when the PS5 is about to release. Whatever chip they'd announce now would be a stop-gap between Pascal and a true next generation leap in GPU tech. I want the kind of bump I got from going from a 970 to a 1070 and I don't believe they are ready for that yet.

Not sure why you believe the jump from a 1070 to an 1170 wouldn’t be as great as the jump from a 970 to a 1070/

A 1070 doesn't need upgrading. A 1070 can do every game at 1080p/1440p high settings at 60fps, unless you care about 4K, you do not need to upgrade a 1070. Waste of money and even more wasteful is that 1070Ti, I don't even know why Nvidia wasted resource on that model!

1070 can’t do Mankind Divided at 60 FPS High Settings !

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@GioVela2010 said:
@Juub1990 said:
@GioVela2010 said:

Not sure why you believe the jump from a 1070 to an 1170 wouldn’t be as great as the jump from a 970 to a 1070/

Die shrink.

But A GTX 670 and GTX 970 are 2 years apart, both 28nm fab, bOth GDDR5, and the performance is vastly different.

970 is like 80% faster than a 670 in Witcher 3 At 1080p

Were at a 2 year gap again, shrinking the die a bit, and switching to GDDR6 this time around.

at 4K it should be

GTX 1170 > GTX 1080

GTX 1180 > Titan Xp/1080Ti

its been wayyy too long to demand anything less

Your thinking is wrong.... Kepler to Maxwell was a massive architecture change. Volta is based on Pascal and Pascal is based on Maxwell. Turing Is most likely based on same. Which means performance is not going to improve drastically.they are only doing a single tier jump 1170~1080, 1180~1080ti/XP.(based on rumored specs) vs GTX 1070 = GTX 980ti Which was a two tier jump.

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@davillain- said:

I'm interested to see the performance differences vs the 1080Ti, then further comparisons against the, TBA, 1180Ti in the future. If it’s more a sidestep, I’d likely just not bother upgrading, I feel like nowadays, unless you want 4K gaming, anything more than a 1060 is a waste.

nah man i have a 1070 and its not enouf for 1440p gaming at 60 frames and maximum graphics.

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@04dcarraher said:
@GioVela2010 said:
@Juub1990 said:
@GioVela2010 said:

Not sure why you believe the jump from a 1070 to an 1170 wouldn’t be as great as the jump from a 970 to a 1070/

Die shrink.

But A GTX 670 and GTX 970 are 2 years apart, both 28nm fab, bOth GDDR5, and the performance is vastly different.

970 is like 80% faster than a 670 in Witcher 3 At 1080p

Were at a 2 year gap again, shrinking the die a bit, and switching to GDDR6 this time around.

at 4K it should be

GTX 1170 > GTX 1080

GTX 1180 > Titan Xp/1080Ti

its been wayyy too long to demand anything less

Your thinking is wrong.... Kepler to Maxwell was a massive architecture change. Volta is based on Pascal and Pascal is based on Maxwell. Turing Is most likely based on same. Which means performance is not going to improve drastically. they are only doing a single tier jump 1170~1080, 1180~1080ti/XP. vs GTX 1070 = GTX 980ti

I never said a 1170 would equal a 1080 Ti.

It’ll be between a 1080 and a 1080 Ti

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@GioVela2010 said:

But A GTX 670 and GTX 970 are 2 years apart, both 28nm fab, bOth GDDR5, and the performance is vastly different.

970 is like 80% faster than a 670 in Witcher 3 At 1080p

Were at a 2 year gap again, shrinking the die a bit, and switching to GDDR6 this time around.

at 4K it should be

GTX 1170 > GTX 1080

GTX 1180 > Titan Xp/1080Ti

its been wayyy too long to demand anything less

If you go strictly with nomenclature, a 770 is the successor of the 670, not the 970 and the performance delta between them is much smaller than 80%(more like 50%). That wouldn't be right though because a 770 is for all intents and purposes a 680 with what I believe is a higher clock speed along with other minor tweaks(can't remember what exactly).

@04dcarraher said:

Your thinking is wrong.... Kepler to Maxwell was a massive architecture change. Turing or Volta is based Maxwell in which Pascal is based on Maxwell.

That and Kepler cards were clocked much lower than their full potential compared to Maxwell cards. Kepler cards could gain insane performance from overclocks(30%) whereas Maxwell were clocked significantly higher out of the box and could obtain nowhere near that kind of increase. The 970 boost clock is up to 1180MHz whereas the 670 is at something like 900ish MHz(can't be assed to check). There was also no boost clock for Kepler based card if memory serves right.

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@sheephats said:
@davillain- said:

I'm interested to see the performance differences vs the 1080Ti, then further comparisons against the, TBA, 1180Ti in the future. If it’s more a sidestep, I’d likely just not bother upgrading, I feel like nowadays, unless you want 4K gaming, anything more than a 1060 is a waste.

nah man i have a 1070 and its not enouf for 1440p gaming at 60 frames and maximum graphics.

Back when I was using my old 1070, I always game in 1440p/60fps but it handles high settings in most games but not under ultra. But with my new 1080Ti, I mostly stay in 1440p60fps+ with no issues. A 1070 is really a good GPU but if you gonna game in 1440p/60fps, you gotta turn down some settings and believe me, I would've stay with my 1070 but when I saw a good sale on 1080Ti, I pull the plug real quick last year.

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@GioVela2010 said:

I never said a 1170 would equal a 1080 Ti.

It’ll be between a 1080 and a 1080 Ti

Probably but likely much closer to a 1080.

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@04dcarraher said:
@davillain- said:

Waste of money and even more wasteful is that 1070Ti, I don't even know why Nvidia wasted resource on that model!

Its actually is less wasteful and makes them more money. When they make a GP 104 batch some do not make the cut to become a GTX 1080, so they would cut off the parts of the wafer and turn it into a GTX 1070. Now some of those wafers are only slightly unable to become a GTX 1080 so instead of chopping 25% to make it a 1070 they only chop off 5% of the wafer and it produces a usable gpu.

Interesting, I always thought Nvidia was wasting there time making slightly models but unless you can make them cheaper then the counterparts, I guess it makes sense from a consumer's point.

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#25  Edited By 04dcarraher
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@GioVela2010 said:

I never said a 1170 would equal a 1080 Ti.

It’ll be between a 1080 and a 1080 Ti

I know.... your missing the point going from a GTX 1070 to a 1170 would be like someone going to a overclocked GTX 1080. Its a waste of money for a 30-35% increase. With a MSRP for $500 vs 1070's $400. and chances are it will reach $600+ from limited supply. 1070 to 1080ti/1180 would be more worth it

1170 (from rumors) will only be slightly faster than a oc'ed GTX 1080 so yes it will be in between 1080 and 1080ti but its only going to be like 15% or so gap over a OC'ed 1080.

Rumored to have 5% more shader processors 8 more TMU's And using 12Gbps GDDR6. So clock per clock your not going to see a sizable increases over 1080.

I feel bad for the people to upgrade to these 1100 series (if they release this year on 12nm),coming from 1070 or better, when 7nm hits in 2019.

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I don't have no plans on upgrading my system until 2020 so they could take their time.

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Figured this would be the case seeing folks are still not able to offer up a confirmed naming convention yet for the cards. Oh well, I'll be sitting on my 1080 for awhile longer it seems (had it since launch). I put a full cover EK waterblock on it last year to hold me over and OC'ed it to 2.1Ghz. It's got plenty of power (at least for me). I am able to play most games maxed at my native res of 3440x1440@60. I guess I can look at the bright side and say I'm getting my money's worth out of it!

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Had this been happening for a while? It had been in my mind that GPU stuff were frequently delayed or paper launched.

I'd totally be down for a $ 1170 if it's better than a 1070 Ti and only $ 349.

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@j2zon2591 said:

Had this been happening for a while? It had been in my mind that GPU stuff were frequently delayed or paper launched.

I'd totally be down for a $ 1170 if it's better than a 1070 Ti and only $ 349.

rumored MSRP for 1170 is $499

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I still have my launch 1080 FE that continues to perform well today. I can still get over 60 fps in any title at 1440p. New cards would be nice but honestly right now the current gen gets the job done.

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Nvidia should skip 12nm Volta-based GeForce cards.

Wait until 2019, next GPU architecture, 7nm.

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Hoping the 11 series rumors were fake and nvidia will be releasing 7nm geforce cards in 2019.

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Not sure they really need a presence except for a few places. There is already a boatload of hype.

@04dcarraher said:
@Juub1990 said:
@GioVela2010 said:

Not sure why you believe the jump from a 1070 to an 1170 wouldn’t be as great as the jump from a 970 to a 1070/

*Massive*Die shrink.

Fixed

I read that as "Die, shrink" as in he wants to kill therapists.

Anyway...:P

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Looks like I’ll just keep my 1080 a while longer.

This is kind of reminding me of the 8800gtx and how long it took for a worthy successor to appear.

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Disappointing, but I guess the bright side is I can upgrade my 7700k to the 8700k(or another ~300 dollar CPU) in the meantime. I have the warranty for my 7700k from microcenter, and am planning to bring it back in a few months for the basically free upgrade. Just need to buy a motherboard.

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Kinda makes sense. Why would nvidia release a gpu to compete against its current gpu lines? AMD is not in the game at all currently, as long as AMD is completely useless to buy, nvidia can just sit on their current gpus and just keep cashing in. Maybe they should release a 1080 ti XL thats 10% faster or some crap to milk people of more coin.

1070/1080 fits the need for pretty much most mainstream gamers currently, it runs 1080p high fps well and ultrawide. 4k is still a minor market compared to people running more reasonable resolutions like 1920x1080 and 2560x1440.

AMD will probably eventually come out with a card that finally can match the 1080ti, and that same day nvidia will release a 1180 which will be twice as fast, lol AMD. They are literally 3-4 years behind nvidia.

I think AMD will bail out entirely out of the high end market. What's the point in releasing something equal towards Nvidia. They haven't been the top dogs for ages now. And frankly i don't think there presence in PC gaming market is anywhere near note worthy for them to care.

Mining / shitty apu's is where there market is. Best blow there cash on that.

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#38 04dcarraher
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Well I guess that the next line of gpus wont be out until toward the end of the year or next year sometime.

"The CEO of Nvidia, Jensen Huang, has made it clear that we can't expect a new-generation of Nvidia graphics cards in the near future. During a speech at the Computex show in Taiwan, he was asked about upcoming graphics cards and replied that we shouldn't expect to see anything new in that realm of Nvidia's business for a "long time.""

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#39  Edited By GarGx1
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I usually wait for Ti refresh. The only reason I changed my 980Ti to 1080 is because I got two of them for free, otherwise I'd have gone single 1080Ti. So I'll be waiting for the 1180Ti anyway.

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#40 DaVillain  Moderator
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@04dcarraher: Any ideas when we'll hear from AMD next GPU?

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#41  Edited By 04dcarraher
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@davillain-:

Probably Sometime in the 2nd half of 2019. But VEGA is suppose to be going to 7nm end of this year.Which means higher clocks and lower power usage.

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@04dcarraher said:

@davillain-:

Probably Sometime in the 2nd half of 2019. But VEGA is suppose to be going to 7nm end of this year.Which means higher clocks and lower power usage.

Better then nothing coming from AMD. I just want AMD competing really hard with the GPU market, giving Nvidia a run for there money.

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#43  Edited By mobius_basic
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@davillain-: I'm a Nvidia guy myself but I want AMD to come striking hard too, just like they did to Intel. We don't need Nvidia turning into an Intel type model sitting on their laurels with no real competition, while giving us dinky improvements over previous gens and charging $600 for an upgrade.

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@04dcarraher said:
@j2zon2591 said:

Had this been happening for a while? It had been in my mind that GPU stuff were frequently delayed or paper launched.

I'd totally be down for a $ 1170 if it's better than a 1070 Ti and only $ 349.

rumored MSRP for 1170 is $499

Ouch. Thanks.