Not Happening: Apple Not Going To Buy Sony, EA Or Anybody For That Matter

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#1 jakarai
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During Apple's last quarterly earnings call, Steve Jobs hinted that the company might use its huge pile of cash -- over $50 billion now -- to make a large strategic acquisition. You could already hear the bankers salivating about all the pitch books they were going to put together.

Forget it. It's going to happen.

Apple has no debt, a highly profitable business, and has been piling up cash forever. Many analysts think that's not a great use of the company's resources and have been wondering if Apple should find a more productive use of it, like a megadeal or returning it to shareholders.

But here's the thing: most mergers destroy value, and Jobs is acutely aware of it. Which is why Apple mostly does small acquisitions with a strong team and product that it can then expand into something more formidable. That was the story behind Apple's recent acquisitions of PA Semi (its mobile chips), Quattro Wireless (iAds) and Siri (mobile search to compete with Google). Jobs doesn't want, or need, the headache that would come with integrating and transforming a multibillion dollar company into its business. One of Apple's key assets is its legendary focus on its technology and products.

The one place where Apple might want to acquire a company could be the living room, where it hasn't broken through yet, with Sony or Nintendo (which has been called the Apple of gaming). But Sony also has a movie studio and dozens of product lines in consumer electronics that Apple doesn't want. Sure, it might sell those off, but again -- does Jobs want to be stuck with that headache for the next five years? What if there's a double dip recession and Apple can't sell Sony's movie business and Jobs has to be in the moviemaking business (again)? And with a huge conflict of interest as Board member and largest individual shareholder in Disney?

Another, smaller potential acquisition might be Netflix, but he would have to overpay massively given where the stock is (and that Amazon and Google would probably bid up the price if nothing else), and then Jobs would have a DVD-shipping business and a media store business most of whose suppliers go with because it's not Apple.

And Jobs is certainly not going to dividend out that cash. He worked very hard to earn it and he's not going to return it to shareholders whom he doesn't like and to whom he's already given an amazing ride. In Steve Jobs' world, Apple belongs to Steve Jobs, not to shareholders.

That cash is staying on the balance sheet.

From here

I guess we can put this rumor to bed guys.

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#2 NoobisMaxcimus
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Anyone who knew something about anything knew it wasn't going to happen.
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#3 ULTIMATEZWARRIO
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btw they wouldn't have enough money to buy Sony
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#4 GulliversTravel
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For the sake of humanity and all the advancement we have made to technology as a species, i really hope that Apple does not buy out Sony...
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#5 SolidTy
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I, for one, welcome our new Apple overlords! :PWhile I didn't think it was going to happen with the research I did, I don't actually care one way or the other.

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#6 navyguy21
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So you are offering someone elses opinion as proof? Am i missing something?
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#7 BreakTheseLinks
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btw they wouldn't have enough money to buy Sony ULTIMATEZWARRIO
Let's not get into this debate again. They probably aren't going to buy Sony, just leave it at that.
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#8 navyguy21
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btw they wouldn't have enough money to buy Sony ULTIMATEZWARRIO
Im guessing you missed the entire thread on this? Sony is only worth 42 Billion maybe, Apple has 50 Billion just in spendable cash, and they are worth over 250 Billion. Id say they have enough :P
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#9 Blue-Sky
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There was never any concrete information to suggest otherwise. I believe the rumor stemmed from some guy's blog who's logic was basically, "They have the money for it, so why not?"

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#10 hexashadow13
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btw they wouldn't have enough money to buy Sony ULTIMATEZWARRIO
They do. I think they'd be able to get the 51% with 33 billion. That would kill the money they stored up though. And they need to money to actually bring a large company in. I wouldn't be surprised if they went into debt after such an acquisition if they ever do. I doubt Japanese investors would sell though.
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#11 Ravensmash
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So you are offering someone elses opinion as proof? Am i missing something?navyguy21
This is what I was thinking from the second I saw the link. That's nothing, just someone's feature piece.
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#12 wiifan001
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Apple has the money to create their own video game console. If they want to gaming, they can...of course the actually quality of their gaming console is another topic but still.
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#13 shinrabanshou
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I'm pretty sure this put it to rest.

"According to the story, the source of the rumor seems to be…hmmm…my own column in Barron's over the weekend. In the piece I noted that the company could do something aggressive, like bidding for Adobe, Sony, or even Disney. But that was pure speculation. Yeesh." Eric Savitz.

I don't think Apple, Sony, Stringer or Jobs have actually commented at all. That article looks more like an opinion piece.

btw they wouldn't have enough money to buy Sony ULTIMATEZWARRIO
They do, at least at market value. But they won't.

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#14 OfficerLeach_
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eh i dont see it happening just because wouldnt both companies lose money from the merge from products and advertising and all that?

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Apple has the money to create their own video game console. If they want to gaming, they can...of course the actually quality of their gaming console is another topic but still.wiifan001
If Apple was intersted it would be for much more than just gaming.

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[QUOTE="wiifan001"]Apple has the money to create their own video game console. If they want to gaming, they can...of course the actually quality of their gaming console is another topic but still.Chutebox
Sony is much more than gaming.

I know.
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#17 ropumar
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The blog doesn't explain why they couldn't buy EA if they were going to try to get on the gaming division. I think it is a possibility. As far and sony and nintendo, of course Apple wouldn't buy them. Sony and nintendo are to big or healthy and expensive for an hostile takeover attempt, and there is no point is selling or merging companies like those.
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#18 FragTycoon
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I think every time someone blatantly bumps the other thread I'm gonna add my opinion to this thread.

To start with,

Sony wouldn't sell to Apple even if they wanted to buy them.

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#19 mD-
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Can't I just have a little bit of that money to pay my tuition? That's like nothing

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#20 HuusAsking
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[QUOTE="ropumar"]The blog doesn't explain why they couldn't buy EA if they were going to try to get on the gaming division. I think it is a possibility. As far and sony and nintendo, of course Apple wouldn't buy them. Sony and nintendo are to big or healthy and expensive for an hostile takeover attempt, and there is no point is selling or merging companies like those.

EA thrives on multiplats. If Apple made the attempt, they'd probably resist and resort to poison pill tactics and the like.
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#21 The_Capitalist
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Some of these possible acquisition targets are quite ludicrous and will likely not serve Apple well in the long term. The OP has summed up my thoughts very well.

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So a compnay that wants to do everything (Apple) buying a company that has a foothold in almost everything (Sony) is somehow a crazy idea?
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So a compnay that wants to do everything (Apple) buying a company that has a foothold in almost everything (Sony) is somehow a crazy idea? VideoGameGuy
I don't think Apple wants to do everything, they specialise in product management and brand management. A sprawling segmented conglomerate with a payroll of 170,000 employees is not a good fit.

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#24 Diviniuz
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If anything apple might buy AMD, everything would be inhouse for them
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#25 HuusAsking
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If anything apple might buy AMD, everything would be inhouse for themDiviniuz
Not likely, as they're about the only realistic competition in the CPU (vs. Intel) and GPU (vs. nVidia) markets. Not only that, all of Apple's computer hardware runs the other way in both departments (Intel CPUs, nVidia GPUs IIRC).
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btw they wouldn't have enough money to buy Sony ULTIMATEZWARRIO
You're wrong. They have enough money to buy Sony in cash. They wouldn't even have to give up any stock.
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Thats a relief...
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#28 lhughey
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[QUOTE="VideoGameGuy"]So a compnay that wants to do everything (Apple) buying a company that has a foothold in almost everything (Sony) is somehow a crazy idea? shinrabanshou

I don't think Apple wants to do everything, they specialise in product management and brand management. A sprawling segmented conglomerate with a payroll of 170,000 employees is not a good fit.

I agree 100%. Its nice to see intelligent post on this board.
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[QUOTE="ULTIMATEZWARRIO"]btw they wouldn't have enough money to buy Sony lhughey
You're wrong. They have enough money to buy Sony in cash. They wouldn't even have to give up any stock.

Just because they have more cash than Sony is supposed to be valued at, doesn't mean they have enough cash to buy them. Let's say I own an antique, that has personal significance to me, and I take it to an appraiser who says it's worth $100. And let's say you have $100 in your pocket. Does that mean you have enough money to buy my antique? No. It doesn't. Now just because a company is valued at 40 billion, and another company has that much in cash, does that they have enough money to buy the first company? No, not necesarily. The people with the ownership of the company have to be willing to sell it at that value.

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[QUOTE="ULTIMATEZWARRIO"]btw they wouldn't have enough money to buy Sony lhughey
You're wrong. They have enough money to buy Sony in cash. They wouldn't even have to give up any stock.

It's funny how people in SW are pro economists now :lol:

Apple would have a hard time acquiring Sony BMG and/or Sony pictures (logistically), never mind the whole corp.

I notices the blatant bumbs on the other thread as well.

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#31 HuusAsking
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[QUOTE="lhughey"][QUOTE="ULTIMATEZWARRIO"]btw they wouldn't have enough money to buy Sony ianuilliam

You're wrong. They have enough money to buy Sony in cash. They wouldn't even have to give up any stock.

Just because they have more cash than Sony is supposed to be valued at, doesn't mean they have enough cash to buy them. Let's say I own an antique, that has personal significance to me, and I take it to an appraiser who says it's worth $100. And let's say you have $100 in your pocket. Does that mean you have enough money to buy my antique? No. It doesn't. Now just because a company is valued at 40 billion, and another company has that much in cash, does that they have enough money to buy the first company? No, not necesarily. The people with the ownership of the company have to be willing to sell it at that value.

Many of the Sony shareholders, though, are banks and other financial institutions. Banks usually don't hold loyalties to a company, especially one that's not being rated well. Sure, it may take a premium, but they'd (theoretically) be willing to unload for the right price, and note that the market cap represents 100% when only 50%+1 is absolutely needed (reducing the measuring stick).
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#32 ballistic85831
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there are more things involved in this kind of aquisition. board members and the ceo generally own 51%+ of the stake of their company. so apple will need to some how get a hold of those shares to make it work. hence why microsoft attempt at yahoo failed. and EA attempt at ubisoft failed. as long as the majority don't sell the take over will fail. second Nationalistically this is bombshell for japan. they are losing one of their biggest business to a foreign company. the govenment and people will go head hunting. either killing the brand or in the case of hostile takeover, attempt every legislative move to prevent the takeover
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#33 topgunmv
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If the company gets too big it'll implode under it's own weight.