Not only lemmings hate MGS4

This is one thing that I've been seeing here that is really getting to me. If anyone says even the slightest thing against MGS4 they are assumed to be a lemming right away, but that's not always true. I own both a PS3 and a 360 and BY FAR PS3 is my favorite system of the two. When it comes to MGS4 though, I despise the game. I felt the storyline was ridiculously overrated and cheesy. Felt like a soap opera in a video game setting. Yet I love my PS3 and I love the games on it, I feel most of them are superior to every 360 version when it comes to Multi-Plats, but I still hate MGS4.

 MGS4 is not the crown jewel of the PS3, it's mediocre game that rides off the coat tails of its previous games. Stop making so many assumptions.

I agree. The MGS series isn't for everyone.nervmeister

This.

MGS seems like a love it or hate it game, and surprisingly, I fell right in the middle.

I love its production values and its emphasis on story, but the actual gameplay left me wanting.

But not every game can please everyone, and I understand that. I appreciate it, but I am not singing its praises, and I have little desire to play it again.

Its okay to dislike the game/series, but people tend to discredit it by terming it as "garbage", "not quality game" or such. Fact is people will not always like a great game/series.

MGS has always been a love it or hate it series. 

I loved MGS1, hated all the rest. I think kojima gets far too preachy and overly moralistic / heavy handed with his games. i don't come to him for his skewed take on modern society, i used to come to him for a good game. now the other stuff is so overwhelming that I find it impossible to sit down and take the game seriously.

that's my 2 cents. I seriously think he should be doing movies, more up his alley. 

Its okay to dislike the game/series, but people tend to discredit it by terming it as "garbage", "not quality game" or such. Fact is people will not always like a great game/series.

ArisShadows

The problem is that people here all have these insanely high standards, it seems. I play average games, and MGS4, GTAIV, Halo 3, SMG, etc are so far from a really average game it funny.

And as HarlockJC pointed out (correctly), any AAA game is automatically called over-rated here, and any AA game is under-rated or overlooked.

ZOMG!!! U NOOBY FaKE BoY Go Plaz Gears of Fail,y a Lemming.

Just kidding. I think one of the best things the game has to offer is replay value. You can play as secret agent and go through the game without killing anyone. Or play as Rambo and just destroy everything that moves.

MGS has always been a love it or hate it series.

I loved MGS1, hated all the rest. I think kojima gets far too preachy and overly moralistic / heavy handed with his games. i don't come to him for his skewed take on modern society, i used to come to him for a good game. now the other stuff is so overwhelming that I find it impossible to sit down and take the game seriously.

that's my 2 cents. I seriously think he should be doing movies, more up his alley.

3picuri3

I absolutely agree with this. The last MGS game I enjoyed was the first one. That doesn't make MGS4 a bad game....just one that I don't care for. It's an amazing accomplishment for a video game though, I'll give it that.

No, anyone who says its less than perfect is a raving fanboy. Scientific fact :evil:

No, anyone who says its less than perfect is a raving fanboy. Scientific fact :evil:

beast667

Saying something like that is more so a raving fanboy. Nothing perfect.

[QUOTE="beast667"]

No, anyone who says its less than perfect is a raving fanboy. Scientific fact :evil:

ArisShadows

Saying something like that is more so a raving fanboy. Nothing perfect.

I think MGS is garbage and im a sheep.

Its a boring sereis of games with a horrible story, cast of characters and gameplay.

But If you bash it MGS fanboys will come fludding in saying "Its to complicated for your mind" or "Your just a (insert fanboy group)"

MGS3 was the best in series.

And of course not everyone would like MGS4.

I think MGS is garbage and im a sheep.

Its a boring sereis of games with a horrible story, cast of characters and gameplay.

But If you bash it MGS fanboys will come fludding in saying "Its to complicated for your mind" or "Your just a (insert fanboy group)"

Gh0st_Of_0nyx

[QUOTE="nervmeister"]I agree. The MGS series isn't for everyone.Republican11

This.

this squared.

 MGS4 is not the crown jewel of the PS3, it's mediocre game that rides off the coat tails of its previous games. Stop making so many assumptions.

LittleHands134

your opinion =/= fact. 10.0 says otherwise

[QUOTE="LittleHands134"]

 MGS4 is not the crown jewel of the PS3, it's mediocre game that rides off the coat tails of its previous games. Stop making so many assumptions.

Thessassin

your opinion =/= fact. 10.0 says otherwise

GS ratings mean nothing, you should know that by now. Most ratings here are just as biased by hype and well known names (MGS, GTA) as any other source. Just looking at the game itself though, it's lacking in gameplay compared to its previous games (which didn't get a 10.0) and as far as storyline it mainly appeals solely to someone who is a die hard fan of the MGS series, which contradicts the definition that GS gave for AAAA games.

I think MGS is garbage and im a sheep.

Its a boring sereis of games with a horrible story, cast of characters and gameplay.

But If you bash it MGS fanboys will come fludding in saying "Its to complicated for your mind" or "Your just a (insert fanboy group)"

Gh0st_Of_0nyx

Wow, garbage? That's pretty funny considering it's score say the complete opposite. It's one thing to not like a game but to say it's garbage makes you look like another arrogant fanboy, period.

"Not only lemmings hate MGS4"

Correct. Sheep hate it too because, like lemmings, it's not on their system.

"Not only lemmings hate MGS4"

Correct. Sheep hate it too because, like lemmings, it's not on their system.

ChrisSpartan117

heh, keep thinking that. if it gives you some comfort i don't mind.

the only reason i'd want it to come to 360 is to watch people that say things like what you just said squirm :P :) 

[QUOTE="Thessassin"][QUOTE="LittleHands134"]

 MGS4 is not the crown jewel of the PS3, it's mediocre game that rides off the coat tails of its previous games. Stop making so many assumptions.

LittleHands134

your opinion =/= fact. 10.0 says otherwise

GS ratings mean nothing, you should know that by now. Most ratings here are just as biased by hype and well known names (MGS, GTA) as any other source. Just looking at the game itself though, it's lacking in gameplay compared to its previous games (which didn't get a 10.0) and as far as storyline it mainlyappeals solely to someone who is a die hard fan of the MGS series, which contradicts the definition that GS gave for AAAA games.

 "mainly appeals solely to someone who is a die hard fan of the MGS series, which contradicts the definition that GS gave for AAAA games"

so what did wii sports get?

AAAA dosent = mass appeal

AAAA = quality

"GS ratings mean nothing". What site are we on? Is this SW or not? Think about what forum you post that statement on, it may be true elsewhere.

[QUOTE="ChrisSpartan117"]

"Not only lemmings hate MGS4"

Correct. Sheep hate it too because, like lemmings, it's not on their system.

3picuri3

heh, keep thinking that. if it gives you some comfort i don't mind.

the only reason i'd want it to come to 360 is to watch people that say things like what you just said squirm :P :)

[QUOTE="Gh0st_Of_0nyx"]

I think MGS is garbage and im a sheep.

Its a boring sereis of games with a horrible story, cast of characters and gameplay.

But If you bash it MGS fanboys will come fludding in saying "Its to complicated for your mind" or "Your just a (insert fanboy group)"

nervmeister

 

"mainly appeals solely to someone who is a die hard fan of the MGS series, which contradicts the definition that GS gave for AAAA games"

so what did wii sports get?

AAAA dosent = mass appeal

AAAA = quality

"GS ratings mean nothing". What site are we on? Is this SW or not? Think about what forum you post that statement on, it may be true elsewhere.

 

Thessassin

Look up the exact definition that GS defines for AAAA games. It's used for a game that everyone should try, which isn't the case for MGS4. Chances are, if you did not like the previous games the storyline that MGS4 has is going to come off extremely melodramatic and cheesy to you. And if you're just coming in for the gameplay, there's really not enough of it to satisfy someone who doesn't care about the storyline.

 Also, yes, GS ratings are fine to use when you're having some e-peen argument on SW. In any practical sense though, they're worthless because of how biased they are.

[QUOTE="LittleHands134"]

 MGS4 is not the crown jewel of the PS3, it's mediocre game that rides off the coat tails of its previous games. Stop making so many assumptions.

Thessassin

your opinion =/= fact. 10.0 says otherwise

Neither does your opinion 

[QUOTE="nervmeister"][QUOTE="Gh0st_Of_0nyx"]

I think MGS is garbage and im a sheep.

Its a boring sereis of games with a horrible story, cast of characters and gameplay.

But If you bash it MGS fanboys will come fludding in saying "Its to complicated for your mind" or "Your just a (insert fanboy group)"

Gh0st_Of_0nyx

[QUOTE="Thessassin"]

 

"mainly appeals solely to someone who is a die hard fan of the MGS series, which contradicts the definition that GS gave for AAAA games"

so what did wii sports get?

AAAA dosent = mass appeal

AAAA = quality

"GS ratings mean nothing". What site are we on? Is this SW or not? Think about what forum you post that statement on, it may be true elsewhere.

 

LittleHands134

Look up the exact definition that GS defines for AAAA games. It's used for a game that everyone should try, which isn't the case for MGS4. Chances are, if you did not like the previous games the storyline that MGS4 has is going to come off extremely melodramatic and cheesy to you. And if you're just coming in for the gameplay, there's really not enough of it to satisfy someone who doesn't care about the storyline.

 Also, yes, GS ratings are fine to use when you're having some e-peen argument on SW. In any practical sense though, they're worthless because of how biased they are.

Your point about the GS definition? Gamespot should practice what they preach? i could say dont smoke, but if i smoked that would make me not telling you to smoke worthless. GS says it gives 10s to games  that have mass appeal and then dosent do that therefore its definition is worthless.

And why shouldnt everyone give MGS4 a try? it a great game that tells a great story and has great production values. The fact that you think it sucks dosent make it any worse for another does it? Also if you didnt like the first 3 then why the hell would you buy the fourth? isnt it obvious that you should keep away? Or do you have the mental capacity of a rock? It says in the review that it has a lot of story so if any idiot read the review  without looking at the 10 score they would know this, and if they didnt it serves them right for having the mental capacity of a rock.

This is one thing that I've been seeing here that is really getting to me. If anyone says even the slightest thing against MGS4 they are assumed to be a lemming right away, but that's not always true. I own both a PS3 and a 360 and BY FAR PS3 is my favorite system of the two. When it comes to MGS4 though, I despise the game. I felt the storyline was ridiculously overrated and cheesy. Felt like a soap opera in a video game setting. Yet I love my PS3 and I love the games on it, I feel most of them are superior to every 360 version when it comes to Multi-Plats, but I still hate MGS4.

 MGS4 is not the crown jewel of the PS3, it's mediocre game that rides off the coat tails of its previous games. Stop making so many assumptions.

LittleHands134

Name 1 thing about the game that is mediocre? I'll wait, because you can't.

There is a difference between saying a game is bad because of things like technical problems and design flaws - a game like Too Human for example.

And saying a game is bad because you personally don't find it enjoyable.

I could say all racing games suck because I don't like the genre. That doesn't make me right. I should still be able to appreciate and acknowledge a good game, even if it doesn't personally satisfy my tastes.

That said, when you look at MGS4 and are familiar with the series, its one of the best games ever made. Its really that simple. Nothing about the game is generic or average or mediocre or remotely close. This isn't my opinion, its a fact. Look at every area that a game could be possibly rated in and tell me how MGS4 falls short.

Make sense? 

[QUOTE="Thessassin"]

 

"mainly appeals solely to someone who is a die hard fan of the MGS series, which contradicts the definition that GS gave for AAAA games"

so what did wii sports get?

AAAA dosent = mass appeal

AAAA = quality

"GS ratings mean nothing". What site are we on? Is this SW or not? Think about what forum you post that statement on, it may be true elsewhere.

 

LittleHands134

Look up the exact definition that GS defines for AAAA games. It's used for a game that everyone should try, which isn't the case for MGS4. Chances are, if you did not like the previous games the storyline that MGS4 has is going to come off extremely melodramatic and cheesy to you. And if you're just coming in for the gameplay, there's really not enough of it to satisfy someone who doesn't care about the storyline.

 Also, yes, GS ratings are fine to use when you're having some e-peen argument on SW. In any practical sense though, they're worthless because of how biased they are.

There is plenty of gameplay if you skipped all the cutscenes though. How long did it take you to complete your first playthrough? Honestly, first time it took about 8 hours of gameplay on the difficulty below big boss hard first time. That's about long if not longer than it took me to beat GeoW1, GeoW2, COD4, CODW@W, etc. If you include cutscenes, it's much longer.

Also, I know a lot of first time MGS players and who hated some of the previous MGS games but loved MGS4. There's always an opposite side to the hate. 

You dont have to be a fanboy to enjoy mgs4.

If you really dont like it, then its down to personal choice.

Like it or not, its a great game. Even if a hater reviewed the game, it would still get points for graphics, sound, story even the presentation so it would be pretty hard to give it a low score in that regards.

Not only cows hate Gears and Halo.. The same thing applies to every major gameCouth_

Agreed!! i hated Gears and Halo before I even got a ps3 as I played them on my gaming pc and thought they were majorly overratted and nothing special at all compared to the cool pc only shooters.   MGS series though, i have always loved that, since ps1, but I never had a ps2 so only got to play number 2 on pc as mgs 3 never came out on pc, MGS4 though is the best.  I love a good story and great cinematics, one of the reason there was so many good games on the ps1.  MGS4 has a mix of both. If you don't like mgs you shouldn't of got the game in the first place.

[QUOTE="LittleHands134"]

This is one thing that I've been seeing here that is really getting to me. If anyone says even the slightest thing against MGS4 they are assumed to be a lemming right away, but that's not always true. I own both a PS3 and a 360 and BY FAR PS3 is my favorite system of the two. When it comes to MGS4 though, I despise the game. I felt the storyline was ridiculously overrated and cheesy. Felt like a soap opera in a video game setting. Yet I love my PS3 and I love the games on it, I feel most of them are superior to every 360 version when it comes to Multi-Plats, but I still hate MGS4.

 MGS4 is not the crown jewel of the PS3, it's mediocre game that rides off the coat tails of its previous games. Stop making so many assumptions.

Cloud_Insurance

Name 1 thing about the game that is mediocre? I'll wait, because you can't.

There is a difference between saying a game is bad because of things like technical problems and design flaws - a game like Too Human for example.

And saying a game is bad because you personally don't find it enjoyable.

I could say all racing games suck because I don't like the genre. That doesn't make me right. I should still be able to appreciate and acknowledge a good game, even if it doesn't personally satisfy my tastes.

That said, when you look at MGS4 and are familiar with the series, its one of the best games ever made. Its really that simple. Nothing about the game is generic or average or mediocre or remotely close. This isn't my opinion, its a fact. Look at every area that a game could be possibly rated in and tell me how MGS4 falls short.

Make sense? 

I'll name a few things for you. First let's start with the plot, I'll compare it to a quality movie because that's where most people seem to put MGS4's plot.

 Compared to a depth of characters you would find in a great movie, it's laughable. Some of the characters seem over the top and the majority of the game's attempts at being emotional come off as trying too hard to get a point across. A good movie does not need you to be so enthralled by the quality of it's previous installments just to appreciate the quality of the film. Some of the dialogue with Snake seems unrealistic and borderline Mary Sue-ish. 

Now for the gameplay.

 As far as unique quality, MGS4 really doesn't stand out from the other dime a dozen stealth games in the market. It's not bad, but it's not amazing either. It's just OK. There's not enough of it either for you to base the game's quality on that alone. The gameplay is broken up by far too many cutscenes and if you're not a die hard fan of the series this is going to bother you a lot.

 MGS4 is not the worst game to grace the PS3 by any means, I never said it was, but it is highly overrated and it's hardly the "Second Coming" of video games like you make it out to be.

[QUOTE="LittleHands134"][QUOTE="Thessassin"]

 

"mainly appeals solely to someone who is a die hard fan of the MGS series, which contradicts the definition that GS gave for AAAA games"

so what did wii sports get?

AAAA dosent = mass appeal

AAAA = quality

"GS ratings mean nothing". What site are we on? Is this SW or not? Think about what forum you post that statement on, it may be true elsewhere.

 

Thessassin

Look up the exact definition that GS defines for AAAA games. It's used for a game that everyone should try, which isn't the case for MGS4. Chances are, if you did not like the previous games the storyline that MGS4 has is going to come off extremely melodramatic and cheesy to you. And if you're just coming in for the gameplay, there's really not enough of it to satisfy someone who doesn't care about the storyline.

 Also, yes, GS ratings are fine to use when you're having some e-peen argument on SW. In any practical sense though, they're worthless because of how biased they are.

Your point about the GS definition? Gamespot should practice what they preach? i could say dont smoke, but if i smoked that would make me not telling you to smoke worthless. GS says it gives 10s to games  that have mass appeal and then dosent do that therefore its definition is worthless.

And why shouldnt everyone give MGS4 a try? it a great game that tells a great story and has great production values. The fact that you think it sucks dosent make it any worse for another does it? Also if you didnt like the first 3 then why the hell would you buy the fourth? isnt it obvious that you should keep away? Or do you have the mental capacity of a rock? It says in the review that it has a lot of story so if any idiot read the review  without looking at the 10 score they would know this, and if they didnt it serves them right for having the mental capacity of a rock.

It's not comparable to if you were to tell me not to smoke. It's along the lines of if an anti-smoking company was campaigning against the use of cigarettes but also owned a company that sold massive amounts of cigarettes. 

It's hypocritical and if you're not even going to follow the guidelines you set up for your own site, why should anyone take what you review seriously?

Also, you shouldn't give MGS4 a try if you have never played the previous games. Even though I wasn't head over heels for the previous games, I tried them enough to understand the basic plot of the game, so I bought it. Out of the MGS series, I disliked MGS4 the most. Like I've said before, for someone who is coming in without any prior knowledge of the series, they are going to find the game ridiculously cheesy.

[QUOTE="Cloud_Insurance"][QUOTE="LittleHands134"]

This is one thing that I've been seeing here that is really getting to me. If anyone says even the slightest thing against MGS4 they are assumed to be a lemming right away, but that's not always true. I own both a PS3 and a 360 and BY FAR PS3 is my favorite system of the two. When it comes to MGS4 though, I despise the game. I felt the storyline was ridiculously overrated and cheesy. Felt like a soap opera in a video game setting. Yet I love my PS3 and I love the games on it, I feel most of them are superior to every 360 version when it comes to Multi-Plats, but I still hate MGS4.

 MGS4 is not the crown jewel of the PS3, it's mediocre game that rides off the coat tails of its previous games. Stop making so many assumptions.

LittleHands134

Name 1 thing about the game that is mediocre? I'll wait, because you can't.

There is a difference between saying a game is bad because of things like technical problems and design flaws - a game like Too Human for example.

And saying a game is bad because you personally don't find it enjoyable.

I could say all racing games suck because I don't like the genre. That doesn't make me right. I should still be able to appreciate and acknowledge a good game, even if it doesn't personally satisfy my tastes.

That said, when you look at MGS4 and are familiar with the series, its one of the best games ever made. Its really that simple. Nothing about the game is generic or average or mediocre or remotely close. This isn't my opinion, its a fact. Look at every area that a game could be possibly rated in and tell me how MGS4 falls short.

Make sense? 

I'll name a few things for you. First let's start with the plot, I'll compare it to a quality movie because that's where most people seem to put MGS4's plot.

 Compared to a depth of characters you would find in a great movie, it's laughable. Some of the characters seem over the top and the majority of the game's attempts at being emotional come off as trying too hard to get a point across. A good movie does not need you to be so enthralled by the quality of it's previous installments just to appreciate the quality of the film. Some of the dialogue with Snake seems unrealistic and borderline Mary Sue-ish. 

Now for the gameplay.

 As far as unique quality, MGS4 really doesn't stand out from the other dime a dozen stealth games in the market. It's not bad, but it's not amazing either. It's just OK. There's not enough of it either for you to base the game's quality on that alone. The gameplay is broken up by far too many cutscenes and if you're not a die hard fan of the series this is going to bother you a lot.

 MGS4 is not the worst game to grace the PS3 by any means, I never said it was, but it is highly overrated and it's hardly the "Second Coming" of video games like you make it out to be.

How about you compare its story to that of another games. and as for dime a dozen stealth games? im sure you meant shooters.

MGS4 will be GOTY 2008 here on GameSpot.com

GS puts the GS in MGS4.

 How about you compare its story to that of another games. and as for dime a dozen stealth games? im sure you meant shooters.

Thessassin

I could compare it to another game, but it doesn't seem to make sense for me to do that when the majority of MGS4 fans praise the game's plot as better than most movies. Compared to the plot of your average game, it's pretty good. That is only because most video games have ridiculously poor quality and depthless plots.

The way that MGS4 was made though, they wanted it to be compared to movies. You don't fill a game with hours worth of animated cutscenes just to be compared to yet another cookie cutter game's plot.

 As for the game, yes I did mean stealth games. MGS4 really does not shine that much from your average stealth game. Itt's good, but the quality and quantity of it does not justify your 50 dollar purchase alone. 

MGS seems like a love it or hate it game, and surprisingly, I fell right in the middle.

I love its production values and its emphasis on story, but the actual gameplay left me wanting.

But not every game can please everyone, and I understand that. I appreciate it, but I am not singing its praises, and I have little desire to play it again.

SpruceCaboose

You just summed up perfectly how i feel about the game :D

[QUOTE="Thessassin"]

 How about you compare its story to that of another games. and as for dime a dozen stealth games? im sure you meant shooters.

LittleHands134

I could compare it to another game, but it doesn't seem to make sense for me to do that when the majority of MGS4 fans praise the game's plot as better than most movies. Compared to the plot of your average game, it's pretty good. That is only because most video games have ridiculously poor quality and depthless plots.

The way that MGS4 was made though, they wanted it to be compared to movies. You don't fill a game with hours worth of animated cutscenes just to be compared to yet another cookie cutter game's plot.

 As for the game, yes I did mean stealth games. MGS4 really does not shine that much from your average stealth game. Itt's good, but the quality and quantity of it does not justify your 50 dollar purchase alone. 

What difficulty did you play the game at?

lemmings come out with 'its a movie' 'its trash' 'its crap' etc etc

normal gamers say 'i didnt like this part or that part' 'i think it needed to have this or that'

thats how you can tell if the person is just a pure fanboy or a normal gamer

so what you said is half correct and half false

[QUOTE="Cloud_Insurance"][QUOTE="LittleHands134"]

This is one thing that I've been seeing here that is really getting to me. If anyone says even the slightest thing against MGS4 they are assumed to be a lemming right away, but that's not always true. I own both a PS3 and a 360 and BY FAR PS3 is my favorite system of the two. When it comes to MGS4 though, I despise the game. I felt the storyline was ridiculously overrated and cheesy. Felt like a soap opera in a video game setting. Yet I love my PS3 and I love the games on it, I feel most of them are superior to every 360 version when it comes to Multi-Plats, but I still hate MGS4.

 MGS4 is not the crown jewel of the PS3, it's mediocre game that rides off the coat tails of its previous games. Stop making so many assumptions.

LittleHands134

Name 1 thing about the game that is mediocre? I'll wait, because you can't.

There is a difference between saying a game is bad because of things like technical problems and design flaws - a game like Too Human for example.

And saying a game is bad because you personally don't find it enjoyable.

I could say all racing games suck because I don't like the genre. That doesn't make me right. I should still be able to appreciate and acknowledge a good game, even if it doesn't personally satisfy my tastes.

That said, when you look at MGS4 and are familiar with the series, its one of the best games ever made. Its really that simple. Nothing about the game is generic or average or mediocre or remotely close. This isn't my opinion, its a fact. Look at every area that a game could be possibly rated in and tell me how MGS4 falls short.

Make sense? 

I'll name a few things for you. First let's start with the plot, I'll compare it to a quality movie because that's where most people seem to put MGS4's plot.

 Compared to a depth of characters you would find in a great movie, it's laughable. Some of the characters seem over the top and the majority of the game's attempts at being emotional come off as trying too hard to get a point across. A good movie does not need you to be so enthralled by the quality of it's previous installments just to appreciate the quality of the film. Some of the dialogue with Snake seems unrealistic and borderline Mary Sue-ish. 

Now for the gameplay.

 As far as unique quality, MGS4 really doesn't stand out from the other dime a dozen stealth games in the market. It's not bad, but it's not amazing either. It's just OK. There's not enough of it either for you to base the game's quality on that alone. The gameplay is broken up by far too many cutscenes and if you're not a die hard fan of the series this is going to bother you a lot.

 MGS4 is not the worst game to grace the PS3 by any means, I never said it was, but it is highly overrated and it's hardly the "Second Coming" of video games like you make it out to be.

LMFAO.

You pick the most abstract part of a game - the story, something which is pretty much entirely subjective and say its bad. What rubbish. Try again. 

And yes, being familiar with previous installments in a movie franchise very much contributes to your enjoyment of the sequels, the entire story and the characters. Watch Godfather 2 without seeing the first one. Watch Empire Strikes Back before watching New Hope. Then tell me its the same experience as if you had seen the first installments of those franchises first. 

MGS4 doesn't have unique gameplay? Um, please give me another game where you can play through it entirely using stealth where you are never seen and never kill anyone else, and then can play through it again like a straight on FPS/TPS where you kill everything and use 70 unique and customizable weapons to do so.

Here we go again, talking about cutscenes and their length. If the best thing you can come up with when saying a game is bad is because it has too many lengthy cutscenes, then guess what, you're playing an amazing game. 

This is nothing short of epic fail on your part.