Now I see why Halo failed in Japan.

This commercial is explanation enough.

I think it has more to do with the Xbox not being popular in Japan.

thank you for making system wars a better place, and to the person above me this is clearly just to share the video its not really saying that its the reason why.

thank you for making system wars a better place, and to the person above me this is clearly just to share the video its not really saying that its the reason why.

adizorz

[QUOTE="adizorz"]

thank you for making system wars a better place, and to the person above me this is clearly just to share the video its not really saying that its the reason why.

Neoyamaneko

ok your right i didn't make my point clear.

my point is that its not about halo sales, all it is about is this ad.

I think it has more to do with the Xbox not being popular in Japan.

Mr_Nordquist

Same here, although if that was a real Japanese Halo ad (which I'm doubting) then yeah I also see that not helping it sales wise, probably hindering it. But not as much as the Xbox just plain not selling in Japan.

[QUOTE="Mr_Nordquist"]

I think it has more to do with the Xbox not being popular in Japan.

St_muscat

Same here, although if that was a real Japanese Halo ad (which I'm doubting) then yeah I also see that not helping it sales wise, probably hindering it. But not as much as the Xbox just plain not selling in Japan.

It was the real Halo ad. I've lived in Japan since 1998 and remember shaking my head in disgust at it when I saw it on prime time TV. If I remember the Famitsu sales figures correctly, this multi-platinum selling game went on to sell less than 10k.

That's hilarious :lol:

And comparing it to a Halo ad like this only makes it more funny.

[QUOTE="adizorz"]

thank you for making system wars a better place, and to the person above me this is clearly just to share the video its not really saying that its the reason why.

Neoyamaneko

And comparing it to a Halo ad like this only makes it more funny.

SpinoRaptor24

[QUOTE="Neoyamaneko"][QUOTE="adizorz"]

thank you for making system wars a better place, and to the person above me this is clearly just to share the video its not really saying that its the reason why.

V_Zarnold_N

I though it was because there are only 5 xboxs there....

[QUOTE="St_muscat"]

[QUOTE="Mr_Nordquist"]

I think it has more to do with the Xbox not being popular in Japan.

Neoyamaneko

Same here, although if that was a real Japanese Halo ad (which I'm doubting) then yeah I also see that not helping it sales wise, probably hindering it. But not as much as the Xbox just plain not selling in Japan.

It was the real Halo ad. I've lived in Japan since 1998 and remember shaking my head in disgust at it when I saw it on prime time TV. If I remember the Famitsu sales figures correctly, this multi-platinum selling game went on to sell less than 10k.

Holy crap then, what a terrible ad, now I see my you think this hindered it sales. probably would have been better off without advertisement after seeing that.

Most video game fans in Japan don't like first person shooters and, to a degree, they don't really like Western games, partially because most Western games are built around first person shooter mechanics. In fact, a large chunk of the population in Japan suffers from motion sickness when they play games in the first person perspective.

It's just that simple. Even with the best adds and tons of hype, a first person shooter is not going to sell well in Japan. What I don't really know is wheter Western developers are aware of this and don't care, because they feel that Western markets should be enough for them, or maybe they are still scratching their heads and yelling "OUR GAMES DON'T SELL THERE BECAUSE THEM JAPANESE FOLKS ONLY PLAY FINAL FANTASY AND WII FIT, HURR HURR".

FPS DON"T sell in Japan in the first place, and secondly that is the best ad i've ever seen for any game. I'm still laughing about it, a good ad is one you'll never forget, good or bad.VideoGameGuy

That ad made a Friedberg and Seltzer movie trailer look like the trailer for the new Star Trek.

In fact, a large chunk of the population in Japan suffers from motion sickness when they play games in the first person perspective.LordQuorthon

Now THAT statement was even bolder than my OP. Especially when the arcade enthusiasts here are playing Virtual On and Gundam in BATTLEPODS.

[QUOTE="Neoyamaneko"][QUOTE="adizorz"]

thank you for making system wars a better place, and to the person above me this is clearly just to share the video its not really saying that its the reason why.

adizorz

ok your right i didn't make my point clear.

my point is that its not about halo sales, all it is about is this ad.

Get over yourself already, n00b!

btw this thread is full of lol :lol:

Now THAT statement was even bolder than my OP.

Neoyamaneko

The speculation based on these bits and pieces has it that Kojima is working on a first-person shooter designed specifically to tackle the Western market. First-person shooter games have never done well in Japan; Kojima himself has addressed this issue many times during the course of his tenure as lead designer on the Metal Gear series. According to Kojima, Japanese people are much more likely to experience motion sickness.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2009/01/kojima-loves-left-4-dead-could-be-making-a-fps.ars

The reson why I remember that statement from Kojima is because I myself have serious problems whenever I try to play Metroid Prime 3. I like the game, I think it's a brilliant game, but I can't physically force myself to play it for more than 20 minutes in a row. If that portion of the Japanese population feels half as bad as I feel when I play certain first person games, you can pretty much bet that they won't be giving Halo or any other Wester game that uses the first person perspective a try.

So because Kojima said it, that makes it true? Just because he's Japanese doesn't mean that he can make bold statements about his country's people without any proof or research.Neoyamaneko

Titre du document / Document title
Gastric arrhythmia and nausea of motion sickness induced in healthy Japanese subjects viewing an optokinetic rotating drum
Auteur(s) / Author(s)
IMAI Kenji ; KITAKOJI Hiroshi ; SAKITA Masakazu ;
Résumé / Abstract
The purpose of this study was to investigate whether nausea or gastric dysrhythmia, including tachygastria, which was determined by electrogastrography (EGG), were observed during optokinetic motion sickness in healthy Japanese volunteers. Twelve volunteers (9 men and 3 women) participated in the study. The subjects were asked to sit in a chair with their heads positioned in the center of a drum whose inside had been painted with black and white stripes. After a 15 min resting period, the drum was rotated at a speed of 60 degree/sec for 15 min. The EGG was continuously recorded for a total of 45 min (15 min resting period, 15 min rotation period, and 15 min recovery period). The severity of nausea was evaluated with a visual analogue scale (VAS) before, immediately after, and 15 min after the cessation of drum rotation. Other motion sickness symptoms were evaluated by scores of subjective symptoms of motion sickness (SSMS). Of 12 subjects who completed the study, 10 complained of nausea immediately after cessation of drum rotation. The VAS score for nausea immediately after the drum rotation period and 15 min after cessation of the rotation was significantly higher than during the resting period. The EGG during the drum rotation period showed a decrease in normogastria, which was accompanied with an increase in tachygastria. We conclude that gastric tachyarrhythmia and nausea may be induced by viewing an optokinetic rotating drum in healthy Japanese subjects who may have a hypersusceptibility to vection-induced motion sickness. The gastric dysrhythmia obtained with EGG could be a useful observation to support the appearance of nausea induced by optokinetic motion sickness.
Revue / Journal Title
Journal of physiological sciences ISSN 1880-6546
Source / Source
2006, vol. 56, no5, pp. 341-345 [5 page(s) (article)]
Langue / Language
Anglais
Editeur / Publisher
Physiological Society of Japan, Tokyo, JAPON (2006) (Revue)
Mots-clés d'auteur / Author Keywords
motion sickness ; electrogastrogram ; tachygastria ; nausea ; visual analogue scale ;
Localisation / Location
INIST-CNRS, Cote INIST : 6885, 35400014525597.0030

Nº notice refdoc (ud4) : 18408434

http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=18408434

Better?

[QUOTE="Neoyamaneko"]So because Kojima said it, that makes it true? Just because he's Japanese doesn't mean that he can make bold statements about his country's people without any proof or research.LordQuorthon

Titre du document / Document title
Gastric arrhythmia and nausea of motion sickness induced in healthy Japanese subjects viewing an optokinetic rotating drum
Auteur(s) / Author(s)
IMAI Kenji ; KITAKOJI Hiroshi ; SAKITA Masakazu ;
Résumé / Abstract
The purpose of this study was to investigate whether nausea or gastric dysrhythmia, including tachygastria, which was determined by electrogastrography (EGG), were observed during optokinetic motion sickness in healthy Japanese volunteers. Twelve volunteers (9 men and 3 women) participated in the study. The subjects were asked to sit in a chair with their heads positioned in the center of a drum whose inside had been painted with black and white stripes. After a 15 min resting period, the drum was rotated at a speed of 60 degree/sec for 15 min. The EGG was continuously recorded for a total of 45 min (15 min resting period, 15 min rotation period, and 15 min recovery period). The severity of nausea was evaluated with a visual analogue scale (VAS) before, immediately after, and 15 min after the cessation of drum rotation. Other motion sickness symptoms were evaluated by scores of subjective symptoms of motion sickness (SSMS). Of 12 subjects who completed the study, 10 complained of nausea immediately after cessation of drum rotation. The VAS score for nausea immediately after the drum rotation period and 15 min after cessation of the rotation was significantly higher than during the resting period. The EGG during the drum rotation period showed a decrease in normogastria, which was accompanied with an increase in tachygastria. We conclude that gastric tachyarrhythmia and nausea may be induced by viewing an optokinetic rotating drum in healthy Japanese subjects who may have a hypersusceptibility to vection-induced motion sickness. The gastric dysrhythmia obtained with EGG could be a useful observation to support the appearance of nausea induced by optokinetic motion sickness.
Revue / Journal Title
Journal of physiological sciences ISSN 1880-6546
Source / Source
2006, vol. 56, no5, pp. 341-345 [5 page(s) (article)]
Langue / Language
Anglais
Editeur / Publisher
Physiological Society of Japan, Tokyo, JAPON (2006) (Revue)
Mots-clés d'auteur / Author Keywords
motion sickness ; electrogastrogram ; tachygastria ; nausea ; visual analogue scale ;
Localisation / Location
INIST-CNRS, Cote INIST : 6885, 35400014525597.0030

Nº notice refdoc (ud4) : 18408434

http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=18408434

Better?

as anyone put under those conditions will be affected in such a way.Neoyamaneko

It's not limited to Japanese people.Neoyamaneko

[QUOTE="Neoyamaneko"] 1) This has nothing to do with FPS gamingLordQuorthon

as anyone put under those conditions will be affected in such a way.Neoyamaneko

It's not limited to Japanese people.Neoyamaneko

So then where do you and Kojima get this "majority" of Japanese people from? In your attempt to be factitious, you contradicted yourself. Also, that study puts in other factors that aren't a part of FPS gaming.

And nice avoiding the Gundam point, BTW.

no offence but who cares what the japanese like its not like everyone likes halo so get over it.

psshht...it failed because the majority don't care for military shooters. And because X means NO in Japanese. Slambo86

The "X" does not always mean "no" in Japanese. It can have the meaning of "mysterious." Look at this game (Dairantou Smash Brothers X):

Did you know that this game, called Super Smash Bros. Brawl in the West is one of the five best-selling games in Japan last year? The "X" (which has the meaning of "mysterious" if you played the Subspace Emissary adventure mode) in this game did not prevent it from sell very well, so the idea that the Xbox 360 is not popular among the Japanese because it has the "X" in its name is dead wrong. It is a common misconception in System Wars and elsewhere that need to be refuted.

As others have said before, one of many reasons the Xbox 360 sold poorly in Japan have to do with the type of games it plays, games that often do not appeal to the Japanese.

And nice avoiding the Gundam point, BTW.Neoyamaneko

I don't think they really cared TBH. They didn't want to spend time making an ad so they made this PoS.

[QUOTE="Neoyamaneko"]And nice avoiding the Gundam point, BTW.LordQuorthon

Well, here you are.

Its popularity contradicts what you and Kojima are saying.

That doesn't look like something that could make ME sick. Then again, I'm talking about ME and MY motion sickness.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]........4.25 shoot? I dont know whats worse. TCs argument or the ad.Neoyamaneko

What?

:lol:

The ad is supposed to be quirky, I don't know much about the Japanese market in terms of advertisements, aside from stereotype so I cant judge that accurately.

However.

This ad isnt a simple factor why Halo didn't sell well in Japan.

It probably has more to do with the genre not being popular in general... factored in with the Xbox not being popular....

mmmkay?

Yikes touchy touchy TC.

That doesn't look like something that could make ME sick. Then again, I'm talking about ME and MY motion sickness.

LordQuorthon

[QUOTE="LordQuorthon"]

That doesn't look like something that could make ME sick. Then again, I'm talking about ME and MY motion sickness.Neoyamaneko

Most video game fans in Japan don't like first person shooters and, to a degree, they don't really like Western games, partially because most Western games are built around first person shooter mechanics. In fact, a large chunk of the population in Japan suffers from motion sickness when they play games in the first person perspective.

It's just that simple. Even with the best adds and tons of hype, a first person shooter is not going to sell well in Japan. What I don't really know is wheter Western developers are aware of this and don't care, because they feel that Western markets should be enough for them, or maybe they are still scratching their heads and yelling "OUR GAMES DON'T SELL THERE BECAUSE THEM JAPANESE FOLKS ONLY PLAY FINAL FANTASY AND WII FIT, HURR HURR".

LordQuorthon

I don't think there is a desire (as these is in the west for JP games) to get to understand a foreign product and so people just don't bother with it. Also they tend to hate anything outside of japan, it's gaming xenophobia pure and simple much of the time.

I don't think there is a desire (as these is in the west for JP games) to get to understand a foreign product and so people just don't bother with it. Also they tend to hate anything outside of japan, it's gaming xenophobia pure and simple much of the time.BoloTheGreat

Either reading comprehension is not your thing or you just enjoy repeating what other people tacitly say. In both cases, the only proper answer I can provide is: O RLY?LordQuorthon

Says the guy that keeps changing the criteria of being correct every time he's proven not to be correct.

Fact of the matter is, a game that relys on FPS motion in a more grandiose fashion coupled with body rumble and environmental sound effects that also play games with your equilibrium is one of the most popular games in Japan, though you say a "large chunk" of those gamers can't handle it.

Actually all three Halos have done really well there, ESPECIALLY for their userbaseFirstDiscovery

[QUOTE="FirstDiscovery"]Actually all three Halos have done really well there, ESPECIALLY for their userbaseNeoyamaneko

Halo CE - Up to 80k in sales with Platinum release (unsure if graph includes)

Halo 2 - 50k with no Platinum release

Halo 3 - Up to 90k with Platinum release (graph doesnt include)

I say theyve all sold well because not only are they shooters, but they are on the XBOX/360

And comparing it to a Halo ad like this only makes it more funny.

SpinoRaptor24

I would have bought the game from that commercial alone even if I had no prior knowledge of it. That was awesome.

If that's the real commercial, I'm not surprised.