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...and obviously that means so do companies like Nintendo, Microsoft and Sony since I already think they need to worry about Apple as it is.
New Google Web Store video/info
It's basically the App Store +1 potentially imo.
Think about the possibilities for gaming...
Google is **** ... Apple has build one of the most successful monopolies with their iTunes / App Store. I mean like 70% or something near that of every song downloaded is done in iTunes. Google just compete with a master mind like SJ :?uRan_EhrSteve Jobs is not a mastermind. He walks out in a ****ing turtleneck and all the Apple fanboys cream their bellbottoms. It's more confusing than anything.
In the video game industry, I honestly don't think anyone has to worry about either Apple or Google.JAB991This is pretty accurate. Microsoft's dominance of the PC market can't be overstated. In handhelds and consoles, Nintendo is king. How much of a dent, really, can you make in that with a multimedia machine with an "Apps" store?
[QUOTE="uRan_Ehr"]Google is **** ... Apple has build one of the most successful monopolies with their iTunes / App Store. I mean like 70% or something near that of every song downloaded is done in iTunes. Google just compete with a master mind like SJ :?BrownesqueSteve Jobs is not a mastermind. He walks out in a ****ing turtleneck and all the Apple fanboys cream their bellbottoms. It's more confusing than anything. Can it be there's a bit bias in your mind ... maybe because you don't have the money to buy Apple products so everything they do is ****
[QUOTE="JAB991"]In the video game industry, I honestly don't think anyone has to worry about either Apple or Google.BrownesqueThis is pretty accurate. Microsoft's dominance of the PC market can't be overstated. In handhelds and consoles, Nintendo is king. How much of a dent, really, can you make in that with a multimedia machine with an "Apps" store? Hello ... this is Mr. Opinion and he just wants to let you know that your opinion is NOT a fact ... thank you for your attention.
[QUOTE="Ultizer"]Well there's this other thing ... how was it called? ... Oh yes ... LINUX!i hope Google kill Microsofts OS Monopoly (google are making a OS), a man can dream.
uRan_Ehr
Linux OS's are just like apple's OS's, same stuff, Diffrent GUI
they pretty much are the same
Well there's this other thing ... how was it called? ... Oh yes ... LINUX![QUOTE="uRan_Ehr"][QUOTE="Ultizer"]
i hope Google kill Microsofts OS Monopoly (google are making a OS), a man can dream.
Ultizer
Linux OS's are just like apple's OS's, same stuff, Diffrent GUI
they pretty much are the same
And where's the problem with that? Do you really think Google will come up with something completely different than Windows or Linux or Mac OS?[QUOTE="Brownesque"][QUOTE="JAB991"]In the video game industry, I honestly don't think anyone has to worry about either Apple or Google.uRan_EhrThis is pretty accurate. Microsoft's dominance of the PC market can't be overstated. In handhelds and consoles, Nintendo is king. How much of a dent, really, can you make in that with a multimedia machine with an "Apps" store? Hello ... this is Mr. Opinion and he just wants to let you know that your opinion is NOT a fact ... thank you for your attention. I think you're going to have to explain your post seeing as what I mentioned is entirely factual claims that I can support with statistics. Let's see, millions of console hardware, software, subscribers sold, billions of dollars in revenue, and the obvious dominance of Microsoft over the PC gaming market. I mean....I can show you market share figures if you like. Anyway, if you hope to convince me that a multimedia machine with an "Apps" store is capable of overturning the Big Three in ANY market, how about you go ahead and support that claim with hard data or a realistic chain of deductive logic? No? Well then maybe you can settle down with all the "DAS IST OPINION" rambling, because it's clearly hypocritical, not to mention a strawman.
[QUOTE="Ultizer"][QUOTE="uRan_Ehr"] Well there's this other thing ... how was it called? ... Oh yes ... LINUX!uRan_Ehr
Linux OS's are just like apple's OS's, same stuff, Diffrent GUI
they pretty much are the same
And where's the problem with that? Do you really think Google will come up with something completely different than Windows or Linux or Mac OS? They've already made it clear that they are going to be making a different operating system. It's open-source with a Linux basis, so it's not dramatically different there, however, all the applications are going to be web-based and centered around the browser. This means that Google's success in the desktop market revolves around the success of their browser and the development of web-based applications. Linux is not even remotely similar in that sense. For Linux to be successful you have to have graphics applications coded for OpenGL and applications generally coded for the Linux kernel, which means porting. With Chrome OS, you're going to be virtually entirely dependent on web apps, which are cross-platform and can be accessed by other operating systems, meaning it's going to be easier to get the software required to break into the market. Linux' biggest problem right now is development.Steve Jobs is not a mastermind. He walks out in a ****ing turtleneck and all the Apple fanboys cream their bellbottoms. It's more confusing than anything. Can it be there's a bit bias in your mind ... maybe because you don't have the money to buy Apple products so everything they do is **** I don't have enough money to buy Apple products, but if I did, I'd rather put it in the bank to accrue interest until I find something productive to do with it rather than spending twice as much for the exact same hardware. Apple products use Intel and Nvidia chips, the same hardware you can find anywhere else, in your garage or in the city dump, even. Nothing worth the premium. But hey, if you want to burn money, be my guest. I'm sure Steve Jobs is more than willing to cook up a transaction with you, my friend. I'm not all that excited to purchase the brand name "Apple" when I can throw together a clunker with the same specs for a third of the price and throw a free OS, Linux, on it to boot with a comparable software suite.[QUOTE="Brownesque"][QUOTE="uRan_Ehr"]Google is **** ... Apple has build one of the most successful monopolies with their iTunes / App Store. I mean like 70% or something near that of every song downloaded is done in iTunes. Google just compete with a master mind like SJ :?uRan_Ehr
Uhh i hope not i really like Windows 7.....if Microsoft can keep producing OS's of this quality than i have no problem with them having a monopoly.i hope Google kill Microsofts OS Monopoly (google are making a OS), a man can dream.
Ultizer
[QUOTE="Brownesque"][QUOTE="uRan_Ehr"] Hello ... this is Mr. Opinion and he just wants to let you know that your opinion is NOT a fact ... thank you for your attention.uRan_EhrI think you're going to have to explain your post seeing as what I mentioned is entirely factual claims that I can support with statistics. Let's see, millions of console hardware, software, subscribers sold, billions of dollars in revenue, and the obvious dominance of Microsoft over the PC gaming market. I mean....I can show you market share figures if you like. Anyway, if you hope to convince me that a multimedia machine with an "Apps" store is capable of overturning the Big Three in ANY market, how about you go ahead and support that claim with hard data or a realistic chain of deductive logic? No? Well then maybe you can settle down with all the "DAS IST OPINION" rambling, because it's clearly hypocritical, not to mention a strawman. You should stop acting like you've got all the worlds wisdom in your head. Yeah sure, Microsoft got the monopoly in the PC market but I never heard of any fact proving that Nintendo is handheld and consoles king. And just because you don't like the App store doesn't mean it's bad ... oh noez ... I don't like medicine at all so it's bad ... get off your high horse!
Wow, seriously?
http://www.afterdawn.com/news/article.cfm/2010/05/10/wii_sales_top_70_million_worldwide
Wii has 50% of the hardware market
If that's not enough for you, Sony sold what, over 250 million consoles worldwide, between PS1-PS3?
http://mynintendonews.com/2006/09/17/nintendo-ds-has-held-70-percent-of-handheld-market-share/
Nintendo DS has 70% market share, with sales of DS eclipsing virtually all home consoles and handhelds month after month....
Game Boy, Game Boy Color, and GBA sales were appropriately psychotic seeing as they had a monopoly on the market for more than a decade.
This should all be common sense if not common knowledge. I don't see the problem here.
[QUOTE="uRan_Ehr"][QUOTE="Ultizer"]And where's the problem with that? Do you really think Google will come up with something completely different than Windows or Linux or Mac OS? They've already made it clear that they are going to be making a different operating system. It's open-source with a Linux basis, so it's not dramatically different there, however, all the applications are going to be web-based and centered around the browser. This means that Google's success in the desktop market revolves around the success of their browser and the development of web-based applications. Linux is not even remotely similar in that sense. For Linux to be successful you have to have graphics applications coded for OpenGL and applications generally coded for the Linux kernel, which means porting. With Chrome OS, you're going to be virtually entirely dependent on web apps, which are cross-platform and can be accessed by other operating systems, meaning it's going to be easier to get the software required to break into the market. Linux' biggest problem right now is development. Well so a operating system that only works with with mainly Google programs? Sure you say it's open source ... but do you really think so many people will limit themselves? Mac OS, Linux and Windows have been around for a very long time. This will be a gimmick at first and if Google works hard it may compete with Linux but I don't see many companies like Adobe for example to switch to Google. There's a hell lot of programs on Mac OS for instance I really need for my daily "work" as a student and most of them aren't even on Windows so why should all these companies switch to Google? This Google OS will be more like a more improved OS of the iPad if you get what I mean ... it's more for browsing the web, checking your mails and stuff like that but I don't see it doing the hard work my PC and my MacBook do.Linux OS's are just like apple's OS's, same stuff, Diffrent GUI
they pretty much are the same
Brownesque
You should stop acting like you've got all the worlds wisdom in your head. Yeah sure, Microsoft got the monopoly in the PC market but I never heard of any fact proving that Nintendo is handheld and consoles king. And just because you don't like the App store doesn't mean it's bad ... oh noez ... I don't like medicine at all so it's bad ... get off your high horse![QUOTE="uRan_Ehr"][QUOTE="Brownesque"] I think you're going to have to explain your post seeing as what I mentioned is entirely factual claims that I can support with statistics. Let's see, millions of console hardware, software, subscribers sold, billions of dollars in revenue, and the obvious dominance of Microsoft over the PC gaming market. I mean....I can show you market share figures if you like. Anyway, if you hope to convince me that a multimedia machine with an "Apps" store is capable of overturning the Big Three in ANY market, how about you go ahead and support that claim with hard data or a realistic chain of deductive logic? No? Well then maybe you can settle down with all the "DAS IST OPINION" rambling, because it's clearly hypocritical, not to mention a strawman.Brownesque
Wow, seriously?
http://www.afterdawn.com/news/article.cfm/2010/05/10/wii_sales_top_70_million_worldwide
Wii has 50% of the hardware market
If that's not enough for you, Sony sold what, over 250 million consoles worldwide, between PS1-PS3?
http://mynintendonews.com/2006/09/17/nintendo-ds-has-held-70-percent-of-handheld-market-share/
Nintendo DS has 70% market share, with sales of DS eclipsing virtually all home consoles and handhelds month after month....
Game Boy, Game Boy Color, and GBA sales were appropriately psychotic seeing as they had a monopoly on the market for more than a decade.
This should all be common sense if not common knowledge. I don't see the problem here.
You know I don't care much for money or market share ... I care for quality ... and Nintendo fails in this segment. You know the Trabant? The car from the GDR? 95% of the cars in the GDR were Trabants ... that didn't make them the best cars though.They've already made it clear that they are going to be making a different operating system. It's open-source with a Linux basis, so it's not dramatically different there, however, all the applications are going to be web-based and centered around the browser. This means that Google's success in the desktop market revolves around the success of their browser and the development of web-based applications. Linux is not even remotely similar in that sense. For Linux to be successful you have to have graphics applications coded for OpenGL and applications generally coded for the Linux kernel, which means porting. With Chrome OS, you're going to be virtually entirely dependent on web apps, which are cross-platform and can be accessed by other operating systems, meaning it's going to be easier to get the software required to break into the market. Linux' biggest problem right now is development. Well so a operating system that only works with with mainly Google programs? Sure you say it's open source ... but do you really think so many people will limit themselves? Mac OS, Linux and Windows have been around for a very long time. This will be a gimmick at first and if Google works hard it may compete with Linux but I don't see many companies like Adobe for example to switch to Google. There's a hell lot of programs on Mac OS for instance I really need for my daily "work" as a student and most of them aren't even on Windows so why should all these companies switch to Google? This Google OS will be more like a more improved OS of the iPad if you get what I mean ... it's more for browsing the web, checking your mails and stuff like that but I don't see it doing the hard work my PC and my MacBook do. What are you talking about?[QUOTE="Brownesque"][QUOTE="uRan_Ehr"] And where's the problem with that? Do you really think Google will come up with something completely different than Windows or Linux or Mac OS?uRan_Ehr
I said Chrome OS is going to be centered around web-apps, meaning that they are entirely independent of the operating system. This means any browser and any OS can access them. Platform independent....this means you can make a web-app and its accessible to all platforms, including Chrome and the more established platforms. This is what will help Chrome where Linux has failed, it will make software development/porting less painful because you can strike all markets at once.
"This will be a gimmick at first and if Google works hard it may compete with Linux but I don't see many companies like Adobe for example to switch to Google. "
Interesting that you say that considering the following article:
http://venturebeat.com/2010/04/29/adobe-ceo-apple/
Reporters at the Wall Street Journal lined up an interview with Adobe CEO Shantanu Narayen to respond to Jobs' claims.
"I've met him on a number of occasions," Narayen said. But he disagreed with most of what Jobs wrote.
"We have different views of the world," he said. "Our view of the world is multiplatform."
http://www.iphonealley.com/current/adobe-ceo-apple-banned-flash-to-preserve-app-store
Narayen said Apple's decision likely had everything to do with its business model as it tries to keep a proprietary, closed system so everything goes through its iTunes store, and has nothing to do with the Flash technology. He said about 85 of the top 100 Web sites in the world use Flash, and 75% of the video on the Web today is in Flash, including Google Inc.'s (GOOG) YouTube, News Corp.'s (NWS) Hulu and broadcasters such as ABC and Fox.
The guy said right there he supports multiplatform development and that Apple completely ****ed them by closing their platform to Adobe products. Apple has a long-standing ban on flash in favor of HTML5. Google does not ban flash.....flash is used entirely to run their subsidiary Youtube.com.
If anything, Adobe has about a thousand reasons to prefer Google over Apple. Apple has been feuding with Adobe for a good while now, just like they've been feuding with Google.
[QUOTE="Brownesque"][QUOTE="uRan_Ehr"] You should stop acting like you've got all the worlds wisdom in your head. Yeah sure, Microsoft got the monopoly in the PC market but I never heard of any fact proving that Nintendo is handheld and consoles king. And just because you don't like the App store doesn't mean it's bad ... oh noez ... I don't like medicine at all so it's bad ... get off your high horse!uRan_Ehr
Wow, seriously?
http://www.afterdawn.com/news/article.cfm/2010/05/10/wii_sales_top_70_million_worldwide
Wii has 50% of the hardware market
If that's not enough for you, Sony sold what, over 250 million consoles worldwide, between PS1-PS3?
http://mynintendonews.com/2006/09/17/nintendo-ds-has-held-70-percent-of-handheld-market-share/
Nintendo DS has 70% market share, with sales of DS eclipsing virtually all home consoles and handhelds month after month....
Game Boy, Game Boy Color, and GBA sales were appropriately psychotic seeing as they had a monopoly on the market for more than a decade.
This should all be common sense if not common knowledge. I don't see the problem here.
You know I don't care much for money or market share ... I care for quality ... and Nintendo fails in this segment. You know the Trabant? The car from the GDR? 95% of the cars in the GDR were Trabants ... that didn't make them the best cars though. If you don't care for market share maybe you'd better drop this line that it's my opinion that Apple will not be able to break into the market. I was making a claim specifically referring to market share. In sidestepping that issue you've made it clear you had no legitimate criticism in the first place and didn't understand my post.[QUOTE="uRan_Ehr"][QUOTE="Brownesque"]You know I don't care much for money or market share ... I care for quality ... and Nintendo fails in this segment. You know the Trabant? The car from the GDR? 95% of the cars in the GDR were Trabants ... that didn't make them the best cars though. If you don't care for market share maybe you'd better drop this line that it's my opinion that Apple will not be able to break into the market. I was making a claim specifically referring to market share. In sidestepping that issue you've made it clear you had no legitimate criticism in the first place and didn't understand my post. I do understand your post ... but well you concentrated solely on numbers. I might see the Google OS being popular ... but I never will see it anywhere near Windows and Mac OS. Those OS's have been around for far too long that they would give up their domains now. Windows is casual and Mac OS provides "hardcore" users with the programs they need. There aren't market niches like tablet PC, smartphones or mp3-players that have to get conquered by a company. Google would have to provide something completely unique that would make people change from something they knew and used for years to a completely new stranger.Wow, seriously?
http://www.afterdawn.com/news/article.cfm/2010/05/10/wii_sales_top_70_million_worldwide
Wii has 50% of the hardware market
If that's not enough for you, Sony sold what, over 250 million consoles worldwide, between PS1-PS3?
http://mynintendonews.com/2006/09/17/nintendo-ds-has-held-70-percent-of-handheld-market-share/
Nintendo DS has 70% market share, with sales of DS eclipsing virtually all home consoles and handhelds month after month....
Game Boy, Game Boy Color, and GBA sales were appropriately psychotic seeing as they had a monopoly on the market for more than a decade.
This should all be common sense if not common knowledge. I don't see the problem here.
Brownesque
If you don't care for market share maybe you'd better drop this line that it's my opinion that Apple will not be able to break into the market. I was making a claim specifically referring to market share. In sidestepping that issue you've made it clear you had no legitimate criticism in the first place and didn't understand my post. I do understand your post ... but well you concentrated solely on numbers. I might see the Google OS being popular ... but I never will see it anywhere near Windows and Mac OS. Those OS's have been around for far too long that they would give up their domains now. Windows is casual and Mac OS provides "hardcore" users with the programs they need. There aren't market niches like tablet PC, smartphones or mp3-players that have to get conquered by a company. Google would have to provide something completely unique that would make people change from something they knew and used for years to a completely new stranger. I agree, I don't see Google being popular just because it's unique. I think they have a lot of work to do to break into any market. But you're conflating my two posts. I concentrated on numbers to show that Apple is at least going to have a hard time breaking into the gaming market. That doesn't change my opinion of Google. They will have probably an even harder time breaking into the market. Frankly, it will never happen. In the OS market, market share is another issue, but Google does have the advantage of not being a traditional operating system dependent on proprietary technologies and a unique kernel to deliver content. It can do it in another way and this will aid development to make it a more acceptable platform despite its small market share.[QUOTE="Brownesque"][QUOTE="uRan_Ehr"] You know I don't care much for money or market share ... I care for quality ... and Nintendo fails in this segment. You know the Trabant? The car from the GDR? 95% of the cars in the GDR were Trabants ... that didn't make them the best cars though.uRan_Ehr
[QUOTE="Ultizer"]i hope Google kill Microsofts OS Monopoly (google are making a OS), a man can dream.uRan_EhrWell there's this other thing ... how was it called? ... Oh yes ... LINUX!I do hope Linux gains more market share. Maybe Skype and Opera 10.5 would be out of their beta, then. :(
Na, Apple doesn't need to worry about Google yet. When Iphone 4g releases Android will be put back in its place and the other guy is right Apple will have hard time breaking into the gaming industry. Their best chance would be to release a device capable of games but performs plenty of other functions well. Oh and I don't like Google because of privacy issues and because Google supports cloud computing and I don't want to always be connected.
If you don't care for market share maybe you'd better drop this line that it's my opinion that Apple will not be able to break into the market. I was making a claim specifically referring to market share. In sidestepping that issue you've made it clear you had no legitimate criticism in the first place and didn't understand my post. I do understand your post ... but well you concentrated solely on numbers. I might see the Google OS being popular ... but I never will see it anywhere near Windows and Mac OS. Those OS's have been around for far too long that they would give up their domains now. Windows is casual and Mac OS provides "hardcore" users with the programs they need. There aren't market niches like tablet PC, smartphones or mp3-players that have to get conquered by a company. Google would have to provide something completely unique that would make people change from something they knew and used for years to a completely new stranger.Apple has less than 5% of the global PC O/S market. And less than 3% of the mobile phone market. And even though they're market share specifically in the smartphone segment has been growing fast (over 100% growth from q1 2009 to q1 2010), Google's marketshare in the smartphone segment has been growing faster (over 800% growth in the same time frame). This thread is about Google stealing market share from Apple (looks likely, at least in the mobile market), and to a lesser degree, Google and Apple stealing marketshare from Nintendo, Sony, and MS in the gaming segment (not likely). If you don't care about numbers and market share, why bother arguing in a thread that is about just that?[QUOTE="Brownesque"][QUOTE="uRan_Ehr"] You know I don't care much for money or market share ... I care for quality ... and Nintendo fails in this segment. You know the Trabant? The car from the GDR? 95% of the cars in the GDR were Trabants ... that didn't make them the best cars though.uRan_Ehr
Google is **** ... Apple has build one of the most successful monopolies with their iTunes / App Store. I mean like 70% or something near that of every song downloaded is done in iTunes. Google just compete with a master mind like SJ :?uRan_EhrSteve Jobs a mastermind? :lol: I've seen it all now.
[QUOTE="uRan_Ehr"]Can it be there's a bit bias in your mind ... maybe because you don't have the money to buy Apple products so everything they do is **** I don't have enough money to buy Apple products, but if I did, I'd rather put it in the bank to accrue interest until I find something productive to do with it rather than spending twice as much for the exact same hardware. Apple products use Intel and Nvidia chips, the same hardware you can find anywhere else, in your garage or in the city dump, even. Nothing worth the premium. But hey, if you want to burn money, be my guest. I'm sure Steve Jobs is more than willing to cook up a transaction with you, my friend. I'm not all that excited to purchase the brand name "Apple" when I can throw together a clunker with the same specs for a third of the price and throw a free OS, Linux, on it to boot with a comparable software suite. Lol, owned.[QUOTE="Brownesque"] Steve Jobs is not a mastermind. He walks out in a ****ing turtleneck and all the Apple fanboys cream their bellbottoms. It's more confusing than anything.Brownesque
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