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That's funny, because I've read many of your posts as well. Seems to me, for the most part, you're quick to defend the PS3 when the discussion involves the 360 as well. I mean just because you own all the systems, that doesn't mean you don't have a favorite. I was just pointing out your overreaction on what the TC had said. Did I ever actually, literally claim that he was right? And FYI, I own a PS2. Maybe I should add what I'm playing on it in my sig. Then, I won't be considered "lem" anymore, right? ;)

xsubtownerx

Another funny thing is that you wouldn't be complaining if he was defending the 360. Instead of rebuttaling his points you're quick to impl that he is a fanboy, when he clearly isn't.

Your logic is funny. I defend all consoles and I don't even like them that much.

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Was it an overeaction when I've seen Squall18's posting habits for some time? He is still incorrect (like a lot of his biased posts), and he hasn't edited, that's just how this place works. I haven't bashed any consoles, or come to the aid of any console bashers. While I might defend the PS3 in posts, especially here in SW, that's only because the lately, the very best trolling efforts have been consistantly coming at the PS3's or Wii's expense.

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In my defense I didn't know you and TC had a history. But honestly these numbers are rounded out. So if the 360 had actually sold just +1 over the Sony stuff, that would make him right. So that's why I think you were overreacting a little bit. And for me, knowing your posting history, it just sounded like damage control. Therefor "fanboism". But like I said, I didn't know you and TC had a history. I can be harsh to people I don't like also. Like, with lolfaqs for example. But I don't think I actually called you a fanboy. But if I did, I am sorry! :)

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#453 xsubtownerx
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[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"]

That's funny, because I've read many of your posts as well. Seems to me, for the most part, you're quick to defend the PS3 when the discussion involves the 360 as well. I mean just because you own all the systems, that doesn't mean you don't have a favorite. I was just pointing out your overreaction on what the TC had said. Did I ever actually, literally claim that he was right? And FYI, I own a PS2. Maybe I should add what I'm playing on it in my sig. Then, I won't be considered "lem" anymore, right? ;)

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Another funny thing is that you wouldn't be complaining if he was defending the 360. Instead of rebuttaling his points you're quick to impl that he is a fanboy, when he clearly isn't.

Your logic is funny. I defend all consoles and I don't even like them that much.

I never called him a fanboy. However, I said he was "acting" like one by using the word "fanboism". And you're right. If he had been defending the 360 we wouldn't be having this discussion.
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#454 loco145
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What a pity to see a game as mediocre as Re5 to sell so much...
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What a pity to see a game as mediocre as Re5 to sell so much...loco145
RE5 was not a mediocre game to me, I enjoyed it alot. So I like to see it sell.
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What a pity to see a game as mediocre as Re5 to sell so much...loco145
Re5 is great. It got the score it deserved but too many people hate the game because of the run and shoot thing,
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[QUOTE="ASK_Story"]Did anyone else think or Sony fanboys claim that Killzone 2 will sell tons of PS3s? Not good for Sony. I bet Sony thought that as well. I did too, honestly.heretrix

From what I hear, they never said that. They just claimed it would be a modest seller with a respectable online community.

I've only been here for a few weeks and I can call this statement out. sorry.

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#458 TheEroica  Moderator
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What a pity to see a game as mediocre as Re5 to sell so much...loco145

you couldn't be more wrong. RE5 was outstanding. Other than the always lame story, the game was incredibly entertaining and probably one of the most satisfying co op experiences to date.

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#459 yoyo462001
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[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="ASK_Story"]Did anyone else think or Sony fanboys claim that Killzone 2 will sell tons of PS3s? Not good for Sony. I bet Sony thought that as well. I did too, honestly.TheEroica

From what I hear, they never said that. They just claimed it would be a modest seller with a respectable online community.

I've only been here for a few weeks and I can call this statement out. sorry.

Ps3 fans said this game would sell endlessly, no one ever said it would be modest they were calling system seller.
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[QUOTE="yoyo462001"][QUOTE="TheEroica"]

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

From what I hear, they never said that. They just claimed it would be a modest seller with a respectable online community.

I've only been here for a few weeks and I can call this statement out. sorry.

Ps3 fans said this game would sell endlessly, no one ever said it would be modest they were calling system seller.

Heretrix was being sarcastic.
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#461 TheEroica  Moderator
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[QUOTE="TheEroica"]

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

From what I hear, they never said that. They just claimed it would be a modest seller with a respectable online community.

yoyo462001

I've only been here for a few weeks and I can call this statement out. sorry.

Ps3 fans said this game would sell endlessly, no one ever said it would be modest they were calling system seller.

exactly. your can spin 290,000 units sold all you want, but these boards have been lit up with overhype for this game. Im sure its great, but facts is facts and it didn't sell well in the U.S. Don't try and spin it any other way.

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#462 yoyo462001
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[QUOTE="yoyo462001"][QUOTE="TheEroica"]

I've only been here for a few weeks and I can call this statement out. sorry.

TheEroica

Ps3 fans said this game would sell endlessly, no one ever said it would be modest they were calling system seller.

exactly. your can spin 290,000 units sold all you want, but these boards have been lit up with overhype for this game. Im sure its great, but facts is facts and it didn't sell well in the U.S. Don't try and spin it any other way.

lol im not trying to spin anything, im saying they were hyping this enormously to sell tones and 'tee death of the 360'
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#463 TheEroica  Moderator
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[QUOTE="TheEroica"]

[QUOTE="yoyo462001"]Ps3 fans said this game would sell endlessly, no one ever said it would be modest they were calling system seller.yoyo462001

exactly. your can spin 290,000 units sold all you want, but these boards have been lit up with overhype for this game. Im sure its great, but facts is facts and it didn't sell well in the U.S. Don't try and spin it any other way.

lol im not trying to spin anything, im saying they were hyping this enormously to sell tones and 'tee death of the 360'

oh, I know your not spinning. Your saying it like it is. Im with ya. its the post sales mortem, "there was no hype for this game" "moderate online bla bla bla" that needs to stop. don't care what console people support, but if you make your bed, you gotta sleep in it. Only weasels try and back off their claims.

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#464 SolidTy
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[QUOTE="SolidTy"]Was it an overeaction when I've seen Squall18's posting habits for some time? He is still incorrect (like a lot of his biased posts), and he hasn't edited, that's just how this place works. I haven't bashed any consoles, or come to the aid of any console bashers. While I might defend the PS3 in posts, especially here in SW, that's only because the lately, the very best trolling efforts have been consistantly coming at the PS3's or Wii's expense.

xsubtownerx

In my defense I didn't know you and TC had a history. But honestly these numbers are rounded out. So if the 360 had actually sold just +1 over the Sony stuff, that would make him right. So that's why I think you were overreacting a little bit. And for me, knowing your posting history, it just sounded like damage control. Therefor "fanboism". But like I said, I didn't know you and TC had a history. I can be harsh to people I don't like also. Like, with lolfaqs for example. But I don't think I actually called you a fanboy. But if I did, I am sorry! :)

Fair enough :). Honestly, Squall18's posting habits are a bit of a mystery, sometimes they are fine, and other times he does this stuff. As far as talking 360 sales, I hope next month they hit 400,000, the more and more 360 sell, the better my 360 experience will be, not to mention the harder Sony will work to make the PS3 experience all that much better. I had complaints with the PS2 last gen (Although it was a great machine), but since Sony blew out the competition, those complaints didn't get addressed. This gen is a different story. :P

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#465 SolidTy
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[QUOTE="yoyo462001"][QUOTE="TheEroica"]

exactly. your can spin 290,000 units sold all you want, but these boards have been lit up with overhype for this game. Im sure its great, but facts is facts and it didn't sell well in the U.S. Don't try and spin it any other way.

TheEroica

lol im not trying to spin anything, im saying they were hyping this enormously to sell tones and 'tee death of the 360'

oh, I know your not spinning. Your saying it like it is. Im with ya. its the post sales mortem, "there was no hype for this game" "moderate online bla bla bla" that needs to stop. don't care what console people support, but if you make your bed, you gotta sleep in it. Only weasels try and back off their claims.

You guys are going back and forth based on a misunderstanding. Heretrix was being uber sarcastic to make a point.

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Allow me to post a response from a Mod over at IGN on this matter, apparently there are some fanboys over there defending KZ2 sales just like on here, and one of the mods found it a little irritating, and i happen to agree. I like KZ2, but i think the level of DC on here is just crazy, fanboys hyped this game as THE shooter to have on any platform, and stated it was a system seller. Continuing to defend the mediocre sales (mediocre because of the hype and budget) just makes the situation worse IMO.

Stop makin' excuses for Killzone 2, it was a hype monster and had a far bigger install base at the time than games like COD4, COD WAW, Assassin's Creed, Heck, there were less 360s at the time Halo 3 came out, No piracy on ps3 makes it even more pathetic, KZ2 is not an absolute failure but it isn't exactly the shining beacon of success either for its pedigree and hype level, Oh wait, only 2 days in February, let's wait for March, what's the excuse now "it's been out for too long?" US is shooter capital and Sony isn't happy with these results, trust me, they're scratchin' their heads right now, Microsoft is killing with a hollow 2009 lineup and Sony's best cards are on the table right now, What do u think will happen if they actually start announcing new games? Or you'll wait for God of War 3, Heavy Rain, GT5, that'll be the game just like we waited for MGS4, Resistance 2, LBP to turn the tides

Typical Sony fanboy: bu bu bu, it's double the price and 360 is only $199

yay and the elite and premium don't exist, they are myths, or even if they do exist, they contribute zero to these sales numbers, huh?

Can i have som of dat sony koolaid? Some of u guys will defend ps3 to the ground even if it sold 1 console, u'd find a way to spin it to show how it's doing better but wake up and smell the fresh air, buddy

I understand that the ps3 is an excellent console and you like it, but accept reality, At this rate, ps3 isn't going to catch up, NA is slowly getting locked down for Microsoft when that was clearly Sony territory last gen,

How do you think Apple would feel if Zunes all of a sudden started takin' over ipods? Price doesn't matter, why do you think ipods outsell zunes by unfathomable levels at way higher price points? or even the iphone outselling the 1/3 cheaper razr even though it has a draconian contract attached? Why?

It's because of the brand power and the value of the product, PS3 clearly has both superior to the competition and yet we see insufficient results, price should never be an excuse, how else do you think the ps3 even at its price point is still holding its ground? When you have an established brand that people trust, price is less of an issue, Wii and Nintendo are both well established and that's why even if 360 dropped to $99, it would still be outsold, Brand power is that powerful and that's why I think price can't be used an excuse, With AAA exclusives and brand, price shouldn't matter, it never has, never should've unless things go really wrong or really right for the competition

The moment you bring up price argument to defend ps3 lackluster sales, you're immediately conceding that it has the same value as the 360, Which is it? You guys keep switching Gears so easily with your incredibly hilarious double standards, One second, the 360 is more expensive, another second, it's half the price, make up your minds, If people are picking up the 360 over the ps3 because of its price, it means they perceive the values as the same, they don't feel the extra cost for the ps3 is justified, Defend that all u may, but in the end, if u want to see the ps3 ahead, that's all that matters, If u accept that the ps3 and 360 offer the same value, then yes, price is a very valid excuse and even then the brand power and credibility topples the scales in Sony's favor, I personally believe ps3 offers more value, So price can't be used as an excuse, the blame is on Sony and the credit is on Microsoft for these results, but I know most of u r far too deluded to even remotely consider that

Ps2 had no problem annhilating the Dreamcast and killing its uphill momentum at a way higher price point with fewer AAA exclusives at the time, Dreamcast had Soul Calibur, Crazy Taxi, Power Stone, Shenmue and all those timeless ****cs and ps2 had a mediocre launch lineup, It wasn't a matter of price, People believed in the playstation brand and that's why they ditched Sega, the good games hadn't even come out yet, Everyone was looking forward to the successor of the highly successful console that revolutionized the industry, and after over 150 million potential userbase worldwide, it should've been a no brainer,

And what's even worse? Losing to a faulty console that fails 33% of the time? A console that had a failed predecessor that got dropped like a rock killing off even more brand credibility? Dated hardware?
Can you imagine if an inferior cheaper faulty hardware zune came out outsold the newer flashier more expensive but popular ipod that everyone has known and owned for years? That would be an absolute travesty, And losing on the software battlefront when you are piracy free and the competition is riddled by rampant piracy which u guys even complain of? It just doesn't add up even with the price advantage, And what's even worse is that there are $399 360 skus out there that are still selling, Why are people bypassing the almighty playstation brand and excellent game titles for a faulty console? Why are more xbox owners buying games even though piracy is an option used by several many with games leaked weeks before release? That are the ultimate questions you should ask yourself

Maybe if u took off the fanboy goggles, you would know the answers, In a world where Sony can do no wrong and Microsoft can do no right, you'll continue to live in denial and ignore those questions, but it's a real lurking truth

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Allow me to post a response from a Mod over at IGN on this matter, apparently there are some fanboys over there defending KZ2 sales just like on here, and one of the mods found it a little irritating, and i happen to agree. I like KZ2, but i think the level of DC on here is just crazy, fanboys hyped this game as THE shooter to have on any platform, and stated it was a system seller. Continuing to defend the mediocre sales (mediocre because of the hype and budget) just makes the situation worse IMO.

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But contrary to the image people like to portray, Killzone 2 has had fairly good sales compared to a vast majority of games released. People are trying to paint this image that the game has not sold at all.

Granted, fanboys hyped it as the second coming and its not, but outside the core gamers on the internet, there was not a lot of hype for this game, and it did not capture the attention of the casual market, but its not a failure in sales. Not by a long shot.
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Loads of textIGN Mod
Yeeouch. And you think GS mods are mean. Scathing reply that.
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[quote="IGN Mod"]Loads of textmusicalmac
Yeeouch. And you think GS mods are mean. Scathing reply that.

Indeedy.

I have the impression PS3 supporters on IGN were not very happy with KZ2's sales.

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[QUOTE="musicalmac"][quote="IGN Mod"]Loads of textIronBass
Yeeouch. And you think GS mods are mean. Scathing reply that.

Indeedy. I have the impression PS3 supporter on IGN were not very happy with KZ2's sales.

Same could be said with the PS3 supporters on here. Some of them are bending over backwards to do damage control in hopes to defend the sales of the PS3 and KZ2.
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Same could be said with the PS3 supporters on here. Some of them are bending over backwards to do damage control in hopes to defend the sales of the PS3 and KZ2. rybe1025
Everyone should keep in mind that the sales figures are not bad. They are very dissapointing, but not bad.
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[QUOTE="musicalmac"][quote="IGN Mod"]Loads of textIronBass

Yeeouch. And you think GS mods are mean. Scathing reply that.

Indeedy.

I have the impression PS3 supporters on IGN were not very happy with KZ2's sales.

I can't believe a mod was able to act that way. Obviously the PS3 supporters pride have been hurt but a mod should not be that openly bias and immature. The damage has been done to the PS3 fanboys, its time to leave them be for a while. The mod makes som good points but I can't say I'd be impressed if a mod did that here.

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[QUOTE="rybe1025"]Same could be said with the PS3 supporters on here. Some of them are bending over backwards to do damage control in hopes to defend the sales of the PS3 and KZ2. killerfist
Everyone should keep in mind that the sales figures are not bad. They are very dissapointing, but not bad.

The PS3 sales are just plain bad anything else is spin. First off the Playstation was the clear winner last 2 gens. This gen not only are they in last place but they can not even sell the same amount of consoles as they did for the same month but a year earlier and this is for something like the 7 month in a row that has happened. PS3 sales are not going forwards but are going backwards unlike the other 2. To make it worse the PS3 sales going backwards it was on a month where they released their most hyped shooter ever in playstation brand history and this was in the shooter market of the world their sales went down. Kz2 sales - It sold more in the first 2 days then the next 5 weeks. That is a HUGE drop. Just imagine what sales will be for the next month if sales already dropped that fast. This is a game that they were working on well before 2005 E3 because they showed that lie CGI trailer. Something like that is not just put together it takes months. So we are looking at a good amount over 4 years in the making. Kz2 was also one of the showcase games for the PS3 even before the launch of the PS3. We are not talking about some game EA whipped together in 2 years. At this point Sony is going to be happy to just break even let alone make huge profits off of it.
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[QUOTE="IronBass"]

[QUOTE="musicalmac"][quote="IGN Mod"]Loads of textActicEdge

Yeeouch. And you think GS mods are mean. Scathing reply that.

Indeedy.

I have the impression PS3 supporters on IGN were not very happy with KZ2's sales.

I can't believe a mod was able to act that way. Obviously the PS3 supporters pride have been hurt but a mod should not be that openly bias and immature. The damage has been done to the PS3 fanboys, its time to leave them be for a while. The mod makes som good points but I can't say I'd be impressed if a mod did that here.

I odnt think they need to leave about some not that abysmal number. But rethink their arguemtns. Though I whole heartily agree with your mode statement
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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="IronBass"]

Indeedy.

I have the impression PS3 supporters on IGN were not very happy with KZ2's sales.

Animal-Mother

I can't believe a mod was able to act that way. Obviously the PS3 supporters pride have been hurt but a mod should not be that openly bias and immature. The damage has been done to the PS3 fanboys, its time to leave them be for a while. The mod makes some good points but I can't say I'd be impressed if a mod did that here.

I odnt think they need to leave about some not that abysmal number. But rethink their arguemtns. Though I whole heartily agree with your mode statement

Oh, I don't think that that PS3 fans should leave, I meant that its time for everyone else to leave them alone about KZ2 and there sales situation or atleast address it in a more mature tone. This NDP has made it clearly obvious where the situation stands.

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#476 Animal-Mother
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[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

I can't believe a mod was able to act that way. Obviously the PS3 supporters pride have been hurt but a mod should not be that openly bias and immature. The damage has been done to the PS3 fanboys, its time to leave them be for a while. The mod makes some good points but I can't say I'd be impressed if a mod did that here.

ActicEdge

I odnt think they need to leave about some not that abysmal number. But rethink their arguemtns. Though I whole heartily agree with your mode statement

Oh, I don't think that that PS3 fans should leave, I meant that its time for everyone else to leave them alone about KZ2 and there sales situation or atleast address it in a more mature tone. This NDP has made it clearly obvious where the situation stands.

Ahh yes sorry for my sloppy reading. You are right. I mean I really think the fanboys went off the handle. I mean it's just a number at the end of the day that doesn't effect you in any way shape or form. I mean and this leads these people to think that Quantity = Quality
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[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="musicalmac"][quote="IGN Mod"]Loads of textrybe1025
Yeeouch. And you think GS mods are mean. Scathing reply that.

Indeedy. I have the impression PS3 supporter on IGN were not very happy with KZ2's sales.

Same could be said with the PS3 supporters on here. Some of them are bending over backwards to do damage control in hopes to defend the sales of the PS3 and KZ2.

i dont understand though. :? it doesnt affect the quality of the game in the least, so why should it matter to people so much.
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[QUOTE="killerfist"][QUOTE="rybe1025"]Same could be said with the PS3 supporters on here. Some of them are bending over backwards to do damage control in hopes to defend the sales of the PS3 and KZ2. rybe1025
Everyone should keep in mind that the sales figures are not bad. They are very dissapointing, but not bad.

The PS3 sales are just plain bad anything else is spin. First off the Playstation was the clear winner last 2 gens. This gen not only are they in last place but they can not even sell the same amount of consoles as they did for the same month but a year earlier and this is for something like the 7 month in a row that has happened. PS3 sales are not going forwards but are going backwards unlike the other 2. To make it worse the PS3 sales going backwards it was on a month where they released their most hyped shooter ever in playstation brand history and this was in the shooter market of the world their sales went down. Kz2 sales - It sold more in the first 2 days then the next 5 weeks. That is a HUGE drop. Just imagine what sales will be for the next month if sales already dropped that fast. This is a game that they were working on well before 2005 E3 because they showed that lie CGI trailer. Something like that is not just put together it takes months. So we are looking at a good amount over 4 years in the making. Kz2 was also one of the showcase games for the PS3 even before the launch of the PS3. We are not talking about some game EA whipped together in 2 years. At this point Sony is going to be happy to just break even let alone make huge profits off of it.

While you're right, you make it seem worse than it is imo. We'll see how this all turns out. This gen is far from over.
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[QUOTE="killerfist"][QUOTE="rybe1025"]Same could be said with the PS3 supporters on here. Some of them are bending over backwards to do damage control in hopes to defend the sales of the PS3 and KZ2. rybe1025
Everyone should keep in mind that the sales figures are not bad. They are very dissapointing, but not bad.

The PS3 sales are just plain bad anything else is spin. First off the Playstation was the clear winner last 2 gens. This gen not only are they in last place but they can not even sell the same amount of consoles as they did for the same month but a year earlier and this is for something like the 7 month in a row that has happened. PS3 sales are not going forwards but are going backwards unlike the other 2. To make it worse the PS3 sales going backwards it was on a month where they released their most hyped shooter ever in playstation brand history and this was in the shooter market of the world their sales went down. Kz2 sales - It sold more in the first 2 days then the next 5 weeks. That is a HUGE drop. Just imagine what sales will be for the next month if sales already dropped that fast. This is a game that they were working on well before 2005 E3 because they showed that lie CGI trailer. Something like that is not just put together it takes months. So we are looking at a good amount over 4 years in the making. Kz2 was also one of the showcase games for the PS3 even before the launch of the PS3. We are not talking about some game EA whipped together in 2 years. At this point Sony is going to be happy to just break even let alone make huge profits off of it.

Yuo make the situation seem hopeless (I know why too) and while it certainly isn't all rainbows and butterflies (I like butterflies :D) its not exactly burning streets and chaos either.

PS3 sales, they are pretty bad. Its not selling all that well, 5 straight months of down YOY (not 7) is not a good thing. The wii was down YOY this month as well and software as awhole was down by a large margin this year compared to last. What you didn't mention is that the PS3 sales were up significantly from last year and you know the reason why the industries sales were down? No smash bros this year which significantly outsold RE5 on the 360 which was the top game this month. Software wasn't ggood all around for the industry, not just Sony.

The playstaion brand was huge yes. But the playstation brand was also always affordable at launch and infact the first console to launch. Not the same situation with the PS3. Heck, Nintendo as a brand is huge and until the wii, they have been regressing in console hardware salesgeneration after generation and yet there was no gloom and doom. Sony isn't selling well but its far from game over in terms of profibility and sales. They may be last but the very well could still make a tidy sum if things start going there way. The most hyped shooter in playstation brand history means nothing when no one knows what it is. I'm sorry but KZ2 is a prime example of people thinking Internet hype equals realistic hype. It doesn't, get that out of your head. The PS3 fans were ridiculous to think this and now they are getting their ownage for it but enough is enough already. Its over. The game is over a million, it is still selling, its time to leave it for a while. What KZ2 was suspose to be (to fanboys, we have no clue what was going on with Sony) is irrelevant, all we have now is the sales and the game and both are pretty good so Sony's profit margin is nothing we can really comment on.

You are blowing the situation out of proportion entirely. ...."anything else is spin", come on man, try to pose yourslef in a reasonale manner.

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[QUOTE="rybe1025"][QUOTE="killerfist"] Everyone should keep in mind that the sales figures are not bad. They are very dissapointing, but not bad.ActicEdge

The PS3 sales are just plain bad anything else is spin. First off the Playstation was the clear winner last 2 gens. This gen not only are they in last place but they can not even sell the same amount of consoles as they did for the same month but a year earlier and this is for something like the 7 month in a row that has happened. PS3 sales are not going forwards but are going backwards unlike the other 2. To make it worse the PS3 sales going backwards it was on a month where they released their most hyped shooter ever in playstation brand history and this was in the shooter market of the world their sales went down. Kz2 sales - It sold more in the first 2 days then the next 5 weeks. That is a HUGE drop. Just imagine what sales will be for the next month if sales already dropped that fast. This is a game that they were working on well before 2005 E3 because they showed that lie CGI trailer. Something like that is not just put together it takes months. So we are looking at a good amount over 4 years in the making. Kz2 was also one of the showcase games for the PS3 even before the launch of the PS3. We are not talking about some game EA whipped together in 2 years. At this point Sony is going to be happy to just break even let alone make huge profits off of it.

Yuo make the situation seem hopeless (I know why too) and while it certainly isn't all rainbows and butterflies (I like butterflies :D) its not exactly burning streets and chaos either.

PS3 sales, they are pretty bad. Its not selling all that well, 5 straight months of down YOY (not 7) is not a good thing. The wii was down YOY this month as well and software as awhole was down by a large margin this year compared to last. What you didn't mention is that the PS3 sales were up significantly from last year and you know the reason why the industries sales were down? No smash bros this year which significantly outsold RE5 on the 360 which was the top game this month. Software wasn't ggood all around for the industry, not just Sony.

The playstaion brand was huge yes. But the playstation brand was also always affordable at launch and infact the first console to launch. Not the same situation with the PS3. Heck, Nintendo as a brand is huge and until the wii, they have been regressing in console hardware salesgeneration after generation and yet there was no gloom and doom. Sony isn't selling well but its far from game over in terms of profibility and sales. They may be last but the very well could still make a tidy sum if things start going there way. The most hyped shooter in playstation brand history means nothing when no one knows what it is. I'm sorry but KZ2 is a prime example of people thinking Internet hype equals realistic hype. It doesn't, get that out of your head. The PS3 fans were ridiculous to think this and now they are getting their ownage for it but enough is enough already. Its over. The game is over a million, it is still selling, its time to leave it for a while. What KZ2 was suspose to be (to fanboys, we have no clue what was going on with Sony) is irrelevant, all we have now is the sales and the game and both are pretty good so Sony's profit margin is nothing we can really comment on.

You are blowing the situation out of proportion entirely. ...."anything else is spin", come on man, try to pose yourslef in a reasonale manner.

I really would like to add something to your excelent post. The real PS3 seller won't be GoW3 or GT5. The only "system seller" I can see right now is a price cut. Those number aren't "spineable" anymore. Some may say that Sony couldn't afford it, well Sony must see like an investment adn recoup money from other ways (software, BR discs etc).There is not other way, in this economic situation and when your competition offer 90% of the games ate a way lower price. Heck, even KZ2 sales will benefit with a pricecut. Sony made a very risky bet this gen with the pricetag and BR thing? Will it pay? We certainly don't now atm. Oh, and the behaivour of the mod in IGN is very questionable. but you have explained very good Artic
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The only "system seller" I can see right now is a price cut. Giancar
This. Price is the ONLY thing hurting the PS3 in my opinion.
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Allow me to post a response from a Mod over at IGN on this matter, apparently there are some fanboys over there defending KZ2 sales just like on here, and one of the mods found it a little irritating, and i happen to agree. I like KZ2, but i think the level of DC on here is just crazy, fanboys hyped this game as THE shooter to have on any platform, and stated it was a system seller. Continuing to defend the mediocre sales (mediocre because of the hype and budget) just makes the situation worse IMO.

[QUOTE="IGN Mod"]

Stop makin' excuses for Killzone 2

navyguy21

Wow...anyone have a link to that IGN thread?

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[QUOTE="navyguy21"]

Allow me to post a response from a Mod over at IGN on this matter, apparently there are some fanboys over there defending KZ2 sales just like on here, and one of the mods found it a little irritating, and i happen to agree. I like KZ2, but i think the level of DC on here is just crazy, fanboys hyped this game as THE shooter to have on any platform, and stated it was a system seller. Continuing to defend the mediocre sales (mediocre because of the hype and budget) just makes the situation worse IMO.

[QUOTE="IGN Mod"]

Stop makin' excuses for Killzone 2

SpinoRaptor24

Wow...anyone have a link to that IGN thread?

Ohh he edited it , the Mod went on a HUGE rant.
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What a pity to see a game as mediocre as Re5 to sell so much...loco145
totally agree. most mediocer RE game i've played. just shows that brands sell better than quality does - but we've know that for quite some time.
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FIRSTLY, POSTERS OF SW, REMEMBER THIS IS ONLY North America's SALES, not WORLDWIDE!!!

Recently, EUROPE passed the U.S.A. as a BIGGER GAMING MARKET!!! (http://kotaku.com/5011543/europe-now-a-bigger-gaming-market-than-the-us)

[quote="Squall18"]The 360 sold more than the PS3 and PS2 combined (330,000).SolidTy


WRONG.

SQUALL18 : Why did you say that the 360 sold more than the PS3 and PS2 combined? That was untrue. I know you like to knock Sony in your threads, but at least be truthful.

112,000 + 218,000 = 330,000, RIGHT? How is 330,000 more than 330,000?

That statement was laced with pure biased opinion, and in this case it happened to be completely false.

If you want to slight Sony, that's fine, just do it correctly next time, since you are wrong.

Also, the Wii sold a little under the 360, PS3, and PS2 Combined!

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This is the 4th topic about this, but Good for RE5, I bought two copies (both platforms)...this data will be nice to add to the WORLDWIDE Numbers.

For those that Bash KZ2 numbers, remember, this is not counting FEB. KZ2 numbers, and this is only NA...in a worldwide economic crisis.

Sony just reported KZ2 hit PLATINUM, (http://www.gamedaily.com/games/killzone-2/playstation-3/game-news/killzone-2-eclipses-1-million-sold/) which is pretty good for a month, especially for a sequel based on a mediocre shooter. KZ2 will keep selling all year long.

Following the revelation that Killzone 2 became the fastest SCEA title on PS3 to reach 500K sold, Sony today revealed that the critically acclaimed first-person shooter from Guerilla Games has sold over one million copies worldwide. The company pointed to the game as another example of an "only on PlayStation experience," and noted that KZ2 will "continue to drive incentive for hardware sales throughout the year."Sony

It's good that the Wii and 360 are doing well, but if Sony doesn't drop the price, they are just going to have to deal with these low NA numbers.


agreed Worldwide sales would be better

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I love to hug trees!!!!

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Wow! Killzone 2's success will go down in as the biggest damage control in SW history. Yes, even bigger than MGS4's perfect 10/ GOTY award.
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I found Killzone 2 succes pretty lackluster.
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Wow! Killzone 2's success will go down in as the biggest damage control in SW history. Yes, even bigger than MGS4's perfect 10/ GOTY award. Adamantium4k2
no it isnt DC'ing, cows hyped this endlessly to sell buckets and it did not its only success is critically.

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Look for all the hype it had and all the noise SOny made about pre-orders the sales of KZ2 have been nothing short of awful. For those defending it and saying that its sold ok (and it has) maybe if Sony would learn to think before firing off their PR mouths then people wouldn't be screaming about it being a sales flop.
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Allow me to post a response from a Mod over at IGN on this matter, apparently there are some fanboys over there defending KZ2 sales just like on here, and one of the mods found it a little irritating

[QUOTE="IGN Mod"]

Stop makin' excuses for Killzone 2, it was a hype monster and had a far bigger install base at the time than games like COD4, COD WAW, Assassin's Creed, Heck, there were less 360s at the time Halo 3 came out, et al ...

navyguy21

wow thats a crushing post, have to say hes spot on but you can't reason with fanboys, i'm sure he probably received death threats for it lol

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I love to hug trees!!!!

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Wow whats making the 360 sell so well:?
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Wow whats making the 360 sell so well:?FirstDiscovery

200$ price tag with 90% of PS3's library

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Recently, EUROPE passed the U.S.A. as a BIGGER GAMING MARKET!!! (http://kotaku.com/5011543/europe-now-a-bigger-gaming-market-than-the-us)

SolidTy

How Long did it take EU to surpass 300 Million people? They must have did it overnight. From 299 Million to 500 million?... Market means population, always.

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How Long did it take EU to surpass 300 Million people? They must have did it overnight. From 299 Million to 500 million?... Market means population, always.

LOXO7

That article was from may 2008 anyway, and US is first again. the article he quoted was based on total software sales in 2007 ''Europe, take a bow. That Nielsen report from the other day, the one which gave us all kinds of neat statistics on European gamers, also gives us one piece of information that's much more important: the fact that Europe has overtaken the US in terms of market size. And not even all of Europe, just the European Union, since Nielsen's poll only included countries from the continental body. Turns out that in 2007, gaming pulled in $11.4 billion in the EU, compared to "only" $10.7 billion in the US. That figure puts the EU second only to Asia in terms of size, where $11.5 billion in gaming revenue was generated during 2007. The figure's probably skewed by the fact there are nearly 500,000,000 people in the EU, who in US dollar terms are paying almost double what Americans are, but hey, we're here for numbers, not nitpicking.''

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Wow whats making the 360 sell so well:?FirstDiscovery

Halo Wars + RE5 would be my guess.

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Matt Matthews has an analyst on March's NPD numbers at Gamasutra.

The 1Q console and handheld sales are interesting:

"The Wii was up 42% from the first quarter of 2008, while the Nintendo DS (including the 58,000 Nintendo DSi sales) was up a more modest 8%.

After a nearly flat performance from 1Q 2007 to 1Q 2008, the Xbox 360 gained almost 38% year-on-year in the first quarter of 2009.

In fact, 1Q 2009 was the first non-holiday quarter during which the Xbox 360 broke the million system barrier. (It had previously come within 25,000 systems during 3Q 2007, during the launch of Halo 3.)

Sony's systems have started 2009 with far lower sales than it saw in 2008. The PlayStation Portable (PSP) saw a decline of 30% from its sales in 1Q 2008 while the PlayStation 3 dropped almost 14%. The ailing PlayStation 2 dropped a staggering 59% in 1Q 2009, year-on-year."

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...maybe if Sony would learn to think before firing off their PR mouths then people wouldn't be screaming about it being a sales flop.blue_hazy_basic
bu-bu-bu-but Sony has always been the company to talk out of the rear-end. They shouldn't break tradition! :P