NPD: MARCH - Keep it here

[QUOTE="SolidTy"] QUALITY = Game Critics and Reviews.IronBass

Uh oh. I sense a **** storm coming. This will not end well.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="_SWAG_"]ic i think that "sales doesnt equal quality" line only comes up when the game they favor doesnt sell well and at the same time they make fun of games like hannah montana and wii fit because their definition of quality differs from the people who bought those gamesheretrix

QUALITY = Game Critics and Reviews.

How else would one determine quality?

It was a generic question with a generic response.

General Game Quality is determined by all of the above, but when someone says, that's a quality game, they are generally refering to the masses of critics.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="_SWAG_"]ic i think that "sales doesnt equal quality" line only comes up when the game they favor doesnt sell well and at the same time they make fun of games like hannah montana and wii fit because their definition of quality differs from the people who bought those gamesheretrix

QUALITY = Game Critics and Reviews.

How else would one determine quality?

No surprise here. Wii continues to slaughter the competition and the KZ2 sales...ouch.

Anybody know how much GTA CW sold?

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

QUALITY = Game Critics and Reviews.

How else would one determine quality?

Giancar

That's my point. Thanks. :)

[quote="Squall18"]The 360 sold more than the PS3 and PS2 combined (330,000).SolidTy

WRONG.

TC : Why did you say that the 360 sold more than the PS3 and PS2 combined? That was untrue. I know you like to knock Sony in your threads, but at least be truthful.

112,000 + 218,000 = 330,000, RIGHT? How is 330,000 more than 330,000?

That statement was laced with pure biased opinion, and in this case it happened to be completely false.

If you want to slight Sony, that's fine, just do it correctly next time, since you are wrong.

Also, the Wii sold a little under the 360, PS3, and PS2 Combined!

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This is the 4th topic about this, but Good for RE5, I bought two copies...this data will be nice to add to the WORLDWIDE Numbers.

For those that Bash KZ2 numbers, remember, this is not counting FEB. KZ2 numbers, and this is only NA...in a worldwide economic crisis.

Sony just reported KZ2 hit PLATINUM, which is pretty good for a month, especially for a sequel based on a mediocre shooter. KZ2 will keep selling all year long.

Following the revelation that Killzone 2 became the fastest SCEA title on PS3 to reach 500K sold, Sony today revealed that the critically acclaimed first-person shooter from Guerilla Games has sold over one million copies worldwide. The company pointed to the game as another example of an "only on PlayStation experience," and noted that KZ2 will "continue to drive incentive for hardware sales throughout the year."Sony

No surprise here. Wii continues to slaughter the competition and the KZ2 sales...ouch.

Anybody know how much GTA CW sold?

SpinoRaptor24

[QUOTE="SpinoRaptor24"]

No surprise here. Wii continues to slaughter the competition and the KZ2 sales...ouch.

Anybody know how much GTA CW sold?

PS3daLulz

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

QUALITY = Game Critics and Reviews.

How else would one determine quality?

Giancar

"How else would one determine quality"

I answered "Personal taste"

"How else" as in "what other ways?"

Personal taste is another way to determine quality. Not everyone trust reviews or would even care to know what "All of the games in the world" are like.

I have multiple systems and a couldn't care less what 90 percent of the crap they are throwing at people is like. Your personal taste guides you towards the types of games you like. You don't need to know what every game is like. That's insane.

No surprise here. Wii continues to slaughter the competition and the KZ2 sales...ouch.

Anybody know how much GTA CW sold?

SpinoRaptor24

Not very well :( Poor rockstar, their fears came true as to how the ds audience would accept it. I can only imagine how poorly GTA would sell on the wii!

As for wii slaughtering the competition, I assume you mean console sales. I for one determine how great a console is by how great the games the console has and how often it gets them. Here we see the PS3/360's top games this monthe being, well, from this month, while the wii's top games are from last year and aren't even that great, wii fit and play, YUCK!

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[quote="Squall18"]The 360 sold more than the PS3 and PS2 combined (330,000).PS3daLulz

WRONG.

TC : Why did you say that the 360 sold more than the PS3 and PS2 combined? That was untrue. I know you like to knock Sony in your threads, but at least be truthful.

112,000 + 218,000 = 330,000, RIGHT? How is 330,000 more than 330,000?

That statement was laced with pure biased opinion, and in this case it happened to be completely false.

If you want to slight Sony, that's fine, just do it correctly next time, since you are wrong.

Also, the Wii sold a little under the 360, PS3, and PS2 Combined!

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This is the 4th topic about this, but Good for RE5, I bought two copies...this data will be nice to add to the WORLDWIDE Numbers.

For those that Bash KZ2 numbers, remember, this is not counting FEB. KZ2 numbers, and this is only NA...in a worldwide economic crisis.

Sony just reported KZ2 hit PLATINUM, which is pretty good for a month, especially for a sequel based on a mediocre shooter. KZ2 will keep selling all year long.

Following the revelation that Killzone 2 became the fastest SCEA title on PS3 to reach 500K sold, Sony today revealed that the critically acclaimed first-person shooter from Guerilla Games has sold over one million copies worldwide. The company pointed to the game as another example of an "only on PlayStation experience," and noted that KZ2 will "continue to drive incentive for hardware sales throughout the year."Sony

Who are you really, Mr. New account, Level 1, post 1...lol.

Why don't you come out and show me your real account? :)

That's a shame.

I was hoping GTACW would sell well so we could at least see a sequel :(

[QUOTE="Giancar"][QUOTE="heretrix"]Personal taste.

heretrix

"How else would one determine quality"

I answered "Personal taste"

"How else" as in "what other ways?"

Personal taste is another way to determine quality. Not everyone trust reviews or would even care to know what "All of the games in the world" are like.

I have multiple systems and a couldn't care less what 90 percent of the crap they are throwing at people is like. Your personal taste guides you towards the types of games you like. You don't need to know what every game is like. That's insane.

When you see a movie, or buy a CD, or book, watch a TV show, or buy a game, you need some sort of guidance.

You can't possibly know everything in the world.

If you live in a bubble, you wouldn't even know what games to play with your "personal taste".

The point is, when someone is talking about a games quality, they are generally refering to the majority of critics.

Sure, we all have some games we like the critics hate, but we can't play every game ever. For instance, I haven't touched SPORE yet, HOWEVER, I know it's a QUALITY GAME because of the reviews.

I don't need my opinion to know about QUALITY. However, I can certainly say, GeoW is a great game and mean it, because I've played it, sure. It also happens to be accepted by the critics as a quality game.

What you are describing is anarchy...if you are saying don't trust any critics ever, forget games, just ever.

However, I would certainly agree playing a game is the BEST way, for sure, but that's not always an option to determine quality.

Not very well :( Poor rockstar, their fears came true as to how the ds audience would accept it. kenakuma

Maybe it had something to do with the almost absolute lack of marketing.

[QUOTE="Giancar"][QUOTE="heretrix"]Personal taste.

heretrix

"How else would one determine quality"

I answered "Personal taste"

"How else" as in "what other ways?"

Personal taste is another way to determine quality. Not everyone trust reviews or would even care to know what "All of the games in the world" are like.

I have multiple systems and a couldn't care less what 90 percent of the crap they are throwing at people is like. Your personal taste guides you towards the types of games you like. You don't need to know what every game is like. That's insane.

When you see a movie, or buy a CD, or book, watch a TV show, or buy a game, you need some sort of guidance.

You can't possibly know everything in the world.

If you live in a bubble, you wouldn't even know what games to play with your "personal taste".

The point is, when someone is talking about a games quality, they are generally refering to the majority of critics.

Sure, we all have some games we like the critics hate, but we can't play every game ever. For instance, I haven't touched SPORE yet, HOWEVER, I know it's a QUALITY GAME because of the reviews.

I don't need my opinion to know about QUALITY. However, I can certainly say, GeoW is a great game and mean it, because I've played it, sure. It also happens to be accepted by the critics as a quality game.

What you are describing is anarchy...if you are saying don't trust any critics ever, forget games, just ever.

However, I would certainly agree playing a game is the BEST way, for sure, but that's not always an option to determine quality.

SolidTy

I loved Mass Effect and I'm buying the sequel. Did I need a review to tell me that?

[QUOTE="kenakuma"]Not very well :( Poor rockstar, their fears came true as to how the ds audience would accept it. IronBass

Maybe it had something to do with the almost absolute lack of marketing.

True. I only saw 1 ad on TV.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

When you see a movie, or buy a CD, or book, watch a TV show, or buy a game, you need some sort of guidance.

You can't possibly know everything in the world.

If you live in a bubble, you wouldn't even know what games to play with your "personal taste".

The point is, when someone is talking about a games quality, they are generally refering to the majority of critics.

Sure, we all have some games we like the critics hate, but we can't play every game ever. For instance, I haven't touched SPORE yet, HOWEVER, I know it's a QUALITY GAME because of the reviews.

I don't need my opinion to know about QUALITY. However, I can certainly say, GeoW is a great game and mean it, because I've played it, sure. It also happens to be accepted by the critics as a quality game.

What you are describing is anarchy...if you are saying don't trust any critics ever, forget games, just ever.

However, I would certainly agree playing a game is the BEST way, for sure, but that's not always an option to determine quality.

heretrix

I loved Mass Effect and I'm buying the sequel. Did I need a review to tell me that?

Okay, that's fine. No Anarchy for you! Check.

To answer, absolutely not, You got around to actually playing ME, so you know it's a quality game. Of course, you may have been exposed to it due to the good reviews, or the fact that Bioware's games have gotten good reviews, or the fact that you played an earlier Bioware game, because it got great reviews (Baldur's Gate, etc..

When you are in a game store, and a guy recommends a game, he may never have played it, but he knows to recommned it because of the reviews, that was my only point. I am not saying that's the only source, definately play the game if you can!

I was trying to find a simple way to explain to that guy what a Quality Game was, that's all. I guess defining Quality Game in SW... it's not so simple. :)

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="Giancar"] fro the chosen one yeah... but I'm pretty sure people don't have the money, time or will to play all the games in the world that's why we go to previews, and reviews...and some unexpected gems appear every once Game critics is the "least worst" way to determine the games quality in an objective way Sure they make mistakes sometimes, or get driven by hype, or even some sorrupt cases may appear But as I stated is the "least worst" way to determine game qualityGiancar

"How else would one determine quality"

I answered "Personal taste"

"How else" as in "what other ways?"

Personal taste is another way to determine quality. Not everyone trust reviews or would even care to know what "All of the games in the world" are like.

I have multiple systems and a couldn't care less what 90 percent of the crap they are throwing at people is like. Your personal taste guides you towards the types of games you like. You don't need to know what every game is like. That's insane.

In the opposite I have played games that got rave review and HATED them: Assassin's Creed and Far Cry comes to mind. Killzone 2 I did not enjoy.So either way you could be looking at taking a loss. I would rather most of the time, it was my fault.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

When you see a movie, or buy a CD, or book, watch a TV show, or buy a game, you need some sort of guidance.

You can't possibly know everything in the world.

If you live in a bubble, you wouldn't even know what games to play with your "personal taste".

The point is, when someone is talking about a games quality, they are generally refering to the majority of critics.

Sure, we all have some games we like the critics hate, but we can't play every game ever. For instance, I haven't touched SPORE yet, HOWEVER, I know it's a QUALITY GAME because of the reviews.

I don't need my opinion to know about QUALITY. However, I can certainly say, GeoW is a great game and mean it, because I've played it, sure. It also happens to be accepted by the critics as a quality game.

What you are describing is anarchy...if you are saying don't trust any critics ever, forget games, just ever.

However, I would certainly agree playing a game is the BEST way, for sure, but that's not always an option to determine quality.

heretrix

I loved Mass Effect and I'm buying the sequel. Did I need a review to tell me that?

same for KZ2, my buy was depending for the reviews...the first one wasn't that great at all

In the opposite I have played games that got rave review and HATED them: Assassin's Creed and Far Cry comes to mind. Killzone 2 I did not enjoy.So either way you could be looking at taking a loss. I would rather most of the time, it was my fault.

heretrix

I didn't like Assassin's Creed either, but I can't say it's not a quality game. Assassin's Creed is a Quality game, I just don't like it.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

When you see a movie, or buy a CD, or book, watch a TV show, or buy a game, you need some sort of guidance.

You can't possibly know everything in the world.

If you live in a bubble, you wouldn't even know what games to play with your "personal taste".

The point is, when someone is talking about a games quality, they are generally refering to the majority of critics.

Sure, we all have some games we like the critics hate, but we can't play every game ever. For instance, I haven't touched SPORE yet, HOWEVER, I know it's a QUALITY GAME because of the reviews.

I don't need my opinion to know about QUALITY. However, I can certainly say, GeoW is a great game and mean it, because I've played it, sure. It also happens to be accepted by the critics as a quality game.

What you are describing is anarchy...if you are saying don't trust any critics ever, forget games, just ever.

However, I would certainly agree playing a game is the BEST way, for sure, but that's not always an option to determine quality.

SolidTy

I loved Mass Effect and I'm buying the sequel. Did I need a review to tell me that?

I was trying to find a simple way to explain to that guy what a Quality Game was, that's all. I guess defining Quality Game in SW... it's not so simple. :)

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

In the opposite I have played games that got rave review and HATED them: Assassin's Creed and Far Cry comes to mind. Killzone 2 I did not enjoy.So either way you could be looking at taking a loss. I would rather most of the time, it was my fault.

SolidTy

I didn't like Assassin's Creed either, but I can't say it's not a quality game. Assassin's Creed is a Quality game, I just don't like it.

[QUOTE="bez2083"]

Predictions for this sticky:

-Someone will bellow that "sales don't matter"

-Someone will mention shovelware when referring to the Wii.

-Someone will bring up RRoD/E-74 for 360

-Someone will bring up 1-year head start for 360

-Someone will say that sales for KZ2 are "just fine"

Ready.............GO!!

ActicEdge

I predict your predictions will be correct. I also predict that someone will bring up RE5 360 almost doublingRE5 PS3. I then predict that japanese sales will be brought up to say that the difference is nullified worldwide. My final prediction is that someone will say NA =/= worldwide even though this is a NA sales thread.

Did I do well?

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="heretrix"]I'm saying in certain circumstances you can just make a judgement call.

I loved Mass Effect and I'm buying the sequel. Did I need a review to tell me that?

heretrix

I was trying to find a simple way to explain to that guy what a Quality Game was, that's all. I guess defining Quality Game in SW... it's not so simple. :)

Look at all the words you made me type!

My wrist hurts! :P

That's a shame.

I was hoping GTACW would sell well so we could at least see a sequel :(

SpinoRaptor24

Gotta love NPD day, it's like Christmas for fanboys; they like to act surprise even though they already know what their presents are under the tree. :P

When you see a movie, or buy a CD, or book, watch a TV show, or buy a game, you need some sort of guidance.

You can't possibly know everything in the world.

If you live in a bubble, you wouldn't even know what games to play with your "personal taste".

The point is, when someone is talking about a games quality, they are generally refering to the majority of critics.

Sure, we all have some games we like the critics hate, but we can't play every game ever. For instance, I haven't touched SPORE yet, HOWEVER, I know it's a QUALITY GAME because of the reviews.

I don't need my opinion to know about QUALITY. However, I can certainly say, GeoW is a great game and mean it, because I've played it, sure. It also happens to be accepted by the critics as a quality game.

What you are describing is anarchy...if you are saying don't trust any critics ever, forget games, just ever.

However, I would certainly agree playing a game is the BEST way, for sure, but that's not always an option to determine quality.

SolidTy

and these critics say the 360 have more quality games than the ps3 and the 360 has more value than the ps3, when my personal taste think the ps3 has more value, but the guidance tells me other wise, gotcha

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

When you see a movie, or buy a CD, or book, watch a TV show, or buy a game, you need some sort of guidance.

You can't possibly know everything in the world.

If you live in a bubble, you wouldn't even know what games to play with your "personal taste".

The point is, when someone is talking about a games quality, they are generally refering to the majority of critics.

Sure, we all have some games we like the critics hate, but we can't play every game ever. For instance, I haven't touched SPORE yet, HOWEVER, I know it's a QUALITY GAME because of the reviews.

I don't need my opinion to know about QUALITY. However, I can certainly say, GeoW is a great game and mean it, because I've played it, sure. It also happens to be accepted by the critics as a quality game.

What you are describing is anarchy...if you are saying don't trust any critics ever, forget games, just ever.

However, I would certainly agree playing a game is the BEST way, for sure, but that's not always an option to determine quality.

_SWAG_

and these critics say the 360 have more quality games than the ps3 and the 360 has more value than the ps3, when my personal taste think the ps3 has more value, but the guidance tells me other wise, gotcha

[QUOTE="_SWAG_"]

and these critics say the 360 have more quality games than the ps3 and the 360 has more value than the ps3, when my personal taste think the ps3 has more value, but the guidance tells me other wise, gotcha

Bigboi500

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

[QUOTE="_SWAG_"]

and these critics say the 360 have more quality games than the ps3 and the 360 has more value than the ps3, when my personal taste think the ps3 has more value, but the guidance tells me other wise, gotcha

_SWAG_

Okami, one of the BEST games ever made...sold like crap Carnival games, more than 2 million served I'll take easily reviews over salesGiancar

Okami, one of the BEST games ever made...sold like crap Carnival games, more than 2 million served I'll take easily reviews over salesGiancar

[QUOTE="Giancar"]Okami, one of the BEST games ever made...sold like crap Carnival games, more than 2 million served I'll take easily reviews over salesBigboi500

[QUOTE="Giancar"] Okami, one of the BEST games ever made...sold like crap Carnival games, more than 2 million served I'll take easily reviews over sales_SWAG_

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

[QUOTE="Giancar"]Okami, one of the BEST games ever made...sold like crap Carnival games, more than 2 million served I'll take easily reviews over salesGiancar

[QUOTE="Giancar"][QUOTE="Bigboi500"] Why do you have to take any of them at all? Just play what you like and don't let anything other than your own judgements and tastes dictate your purchases.

Bigboi500

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

In the opposite I have played games that got rave review and HATED them: Assassin's Creed and Far Cry comes to mind. Killzone 2 I did not enjoy.So either way you could be looking at taking a loss. I would rather most of the time, it was my fault.

SolidTy

I didn't like Assassin's Creed either, but I can't say it's not a quality game. Assassin's Creed is a Quality game, I just don't like it.

[QUOTE="musicalmac"]Finally, a thread I can sticky. I'm closing the rest. Keep it here now, folks. Good work, Squall18.TheNextOrder

I think Sony may go the way of the Wii for 2011/12 with the ps4, a ps3 with slightly better graphics and some different technology to deffirintiate it. Sony is no MS, they can't afford to lose so much money on these things and they now know from experience that the playstation name will not sell alone.

Wow, GTA didn't even hit 100k. :(

Strange how it's selling so well in Europe and not here.

[QUOTE="SpinoRaptor24"]

No surprise here. Wii continues to slaughter the competition and the KZ2 sales...ouch.

Anybody know how much GTA CW sold?

kenakuma

Not very well :( Poor rockstar, their fears came true as to how the ds audience would accept it. I can only imagine how poorly GTA would sell on the wii!

As for wii slaughtering the competition, I assume you mean console sales. I for one determine how great a console is by how great the games the console has and how often it gets them. Here we see the PS3/360's top games this monthe being, well, from this month, while the wii's top games are from last year and aren't even that great, wii fit and play, YUCK!

Wow, GTA didn't even hit 100k. :(

Strange how it's selling so well in Europe and not here.

Shy_Guy_Red

Wow, GTA didn't even hit 100k. :(

Strange how it's selling so well in Europe and not here.

Shy_Guy_Red