NPD: MARCH - Keep it here

[QUOTE="kenakuma"]

[QUOTE="SpinoRaptor24"]

No surprise here. Wii continues to slaughter the competition and the KZ2 sales...ouch.

Anybody know how much GTA CW sold?

ExplosiveChorro

Not very well :( Poor rockstar, their fears came true as to how the ds audience would accept it. I can only imagine how poorly GTA would sell on the wii!

As for wii slaughtering the competition, I assume you mean console sales. I for one determine how great a console is by how great the games the console has and how often it gets them. Here we see the PS3/360's top games this monthe being, well, from this month, while the wii's top games are from last year and aren't even that great, wii fit and play, YUCK!

Resistance did 55k. :( Not a good month for handhelds.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

When you see a movie, or buy a CD, or book, watch a TV show, or buy a game, you need some sort of guidance.

You can't possibly know everything in the world.

If you live in a bubble, you wouldn't even know what games to play with your "personal taste".

The point is, when someone is talking about a games quality, they are generally refering to the majority of critics.

Sure, we all have some games we like the critics hate, but we can't play every game ever. For instance, I haven't touched SPORE yet, HOWEVER, I know it's a QUALITY GAME because of the reviews.

I don't need my opinion to know about QUALITY. However, I can certainly say, GeoW is a great game and mean it, because I've played it, sure. It also happens to be accepted by the critics as a quality game.

What you are describing is anarchy...if you are saying don't trust any critics ever, forget games, just ever.

However, I would certainly agree playing a game is the BEST way, for sure, but that's not always an option to determine quality.

_SWAG_

and these critics say the 360 have more quality games than the ps3 and the 360 has more value than the ps3, when my personal taste think the ps3 has more value, but the guidance tells me other wise, gotcha

The Critics say both the PS3 and 360 are Quality Machines.
My arguement is about the word QUALITY, you are trying to spin QUALITY to mean personal taste.

Not going to happen. As far as a CRITIC goes, I never said CRITIC, I said CRITICS, and I have always been talking of QUALITY GAMES. That's it.

As far as Value, the MANY CRITICS have said has MORE VALUE, however, the 360 has more GAMES.

I don't know what you want, a Quality game is a game well recieved by all the critics.

I know what you are doing, but my point still stands.

You may not LIKE A well recieved GAME, but it's still a quality game.

Sony just reported KZ2 hit PLATINUM, which is pretty good for a month, especially for a sequel based on a mediocre shooter. KZ2 will keep selling all year long.

[quote="Sony"]Following the revelation that Killzone 2 became the fastest SCEA title on PS3 to reach 500K sold, Sony today revealed that the critically acclaimed first-person shooter from Guerilla Games has sold over one million copies worldwide. The company pointed to the game as another example of an "only on PlayStation experience," and noted that KZ2 will "continue to drive incentive for hardware sales throughout the year." SolidTy

i knew it had to be close, there are over 900 000 people ranked online

and over half of those sales are from NA :)

[QUOTE="Giancar"]Okami, one of the BEST games ever made...sold like crap Carnival games, more than 2 million served I'll take easily reviews over salesBigboi500

Of course everyone here knows that playing a game is the best way to determine if you like a game.

HOWEVER, when talking QUALITY, it's very easy. It's determined by the mass Reviews by the Critics.

Not one critic here, or there, the mass reviews.

IF a game gets shoddy reviews, but you love it, well, then it's a good game to you and a quality game to you, but that's only one way to determine quality.

We can't play every game on the planet, but we can ascertain quality quite easily.

People at neogaf seem to be saying that MadWorld only sold 70k

Didn't it sell 60k its first week? This does not look good.

Every month, PS3 this, PS3 that, Killzone this, Killzone that, Wait till March NPD, Killzone was only out for a couple of days blah blah blah.

Well, It's March. 360 once again outsells the PS3, Halo Wars outsells KZ2, Resident Evil 360 outsells PS3 RE.

You guys can make all the excuses you want. Bring in worldwide sales to make you feel better, most of us are in the states. North America is what matters to the majority of us.

Gotta admit, all those RROD and E74 errors, yet Microsoft is still on top of the PS3 month to month in console sales.

I mean what can PS3 fans really say now? Sales do matter. Sony didn't spend millions of dollars to develop KZ2 with that kind of sales. Seriously. Look at it in a business standpoint. If the most overhyped games aren't even selling, don't you think Sony is going to have to adjust and go with what's in? Microsoft is taking all the sales away from every genre that the WII isn't involved in, leaving Sony behind for sloppy seconds.

I liked Killzone 2, but the game was definetly over hyped. I supported the game by buying it first day of release, and I feel the game is way overrated. Just because most of you are Sony fanboys, be honest, this game is not the best FPS ever made. It's not what EVERYONE makes it out to be. It's a solid game, that Sony and it's fan overhyped, and it failed sales wise.

You can make the excuses that the first Killzone wasn't very good, but we're talking about Sony here. It felt good for most of you when the PS2 was on top. Now that the PS3 is dead last, you guys dont bother with sales anymore right?

Anyways, Halo Wars. Little to NO hype. Sold well, solid/good RTS. The best console RTS at that. I'm happy the game is selling so well, more people to play with online.

360 will continue to outsell the PS3 month to month in the State no matter what games they release. I expect the PS3 to sell largely whenever they get a price drop, isn't that the case for ANY console? Until then, Microsoft is just building their lead month to month and with the economy the way it is, nothings gonna happen for sony unless they drop the price.

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

[QUOTE="Giancar"]Okami, one of the BEST games ever made...sold like crap Carnival games, more than 2 million served I'll take easily reviews over salesSolidTy

Of course everyone here knows that playing a game is the best way to determine if you like a game.

HOWEVER, when talking QUALITY, it's very easy. It's determined by the mass Reviews by the Critics.

Not one critic here, or there, the mass reviews.

IF a game gets shoddy reviews, but you love it, well, then it's a good game to you and a quality game to you, but that's only one way to determine quality.

We can't play every game on the planet, but we can ascertain quality quite easily.

Anyone that would say they are professional therefor better prepared to determine the value of a game than us everyday folks I would strongly disagree. They are professional in writing skills perhaps but based on the thousands of reviews I've read they are in no way any more capable of judging a game than I am.

[QUOTE="Shy_Guy_Red"]

Wow, GTA didn't even hit 100k. :(

Strange how it's selling so well in Europe and not here.

Bigboi500

But that is 2 weeks on the hardware that has the most sales of them all. You would expect atleast 200-250k. Crappy advertising doesnt help either. I think I have seen only 1 commercial, but for GTA4 I have seen about 1000.

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

[QUOTE="Shy_Guy_Red"]

Wow, GTA didn't even hit 100k. :(

Strange how it's selling so well in Europe and not here.

Kahuna_1

But that is 2 weeks on the hardware that has the most sales of them all. You would expect atleast 200-250k. Crappy advertising doesnt help either. I think I have seen only 1 commercial, but for GTA4 I have seen about 1000.

Killzone fanboys

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"] Why do you have to take any of them at all? Just play what you like and don't let anything other than your own judgements and tastes dictate your purchases.

Bigboi500

Of course everyone here knows that playing a game is the best way to determine if you like a game.

HOWEVER, when talking QUALITY, it's very easy. It's determined by the mass Reviews by the Critics.

Not one critic here, or there, the mass reviews.

IF a game gets shoddy reviews, but you love it, well, then it's a good game to you and a quality game to you, but that's only one way to determine quality.

We can't play every game on the planet, but we can ascertain quality quite easily.

Anyone that would say they are professional therefor better prepared to determine the value of a game than us everyday folks I would strongly disagree. They are professional in writing skills perhaps but based on the thousands of reviews I've read they are in no way any more capable of judging a game than I am.

While that is certainly true, they aren't more qualified that us, sure.

Your arguement could be said of anything from Art to Books to Movies to TV...then, everything is exactly equal, and we don't know what quality is until we get around to trying it? That's just not going to happen.

If I want to get a good Chick Flick on Blu-Ray for my lady, I am not going to just guess, I am going to do research, not buy watching it, but by reviews, reading reviews especially by reviewers that see the world the way I do....or I will just go by a mass review system like Metacritic.

In any event, to determine QUALITY Games, we have to have more than just personal preference, although obviously that's one way.

How would I have known about Madworld, De Blob, or Okami at all, if I didn't read anything about it?

Sometimes it's nice to hear about a Quality game from left field, because it may get you to play it, but if there wasn't a reviews in place, none of us would have been exposed by the game's QUALITY.

:)

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

Of course everyone here knows that playing a game is the best way to determine if you like a game.

HOWEVER, when talking QUALITY, it's very easy. It's determined by the mass Reviews by the Critics.

Not one critic here, or there, the mass reviews.

IF a game gets shoddy reviews, but you love it, well, then it's a good game to you and a quality game to you, but that's only one way to determine quality.

We can't play every game on the planet, but we can ascertain quality quite easily.

SolidTy

Anyone that would say they are professional therefor better prepared to determine the value of a game than us everyday folks I would strongly disagree. They are professional in writing skills perhaps but based on the thousands of reviews I've read they are in no way any more capable of judging a game than I am.

While that is certainly true, they aren't more qualified that us, sure.

Your arguement could be said of anything from Art to Books to Movies to TV...then, everything is exactly equal, and we don't know what quality is until we get around to trying it? That's just not going to happen.

If I want to get a good Chick Flick on Blu-Ray for my lady, I am not going to just guess, I am going to do research, not buy watching it, but by reviews, reading reviews especially by reviewers that see the world the way I do....or I will just go by a mass review system like Metacritic.

In any event, to determine QUALITY Games, we have to have more than just personal preference, although obviously that's one way.

How would I have known about Madworld, De Blob, or Okami at all, if I didn't read anything about it?

Sometimes it's nice to hear about a Quality game from left field, because it may get you to play it, but if there wasn't a reviews in place, none of us would have been exposed by the game's QUALITY.

:)

What we need is some form of socialized game reviews to squeeze out individual human bias and peronal vested interest. Something similar to Kotaku that uses four reviewers opinions and averages them out, but more along the lines of a group of regular gamers.

Until then trust them if you like but I don't think they can be allowed the benifit of the doubt as the unified entity of gaming quality.

Player reviews are often closer to the mark of accuracy simply because they play the game for passion and love and not for a paychech and don't have the stress of deadlines or peer pressure.

As long as the games all keep selling well then we'll keep on getting them right? We should all be happy for that. 8)

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]That's true we can't play every game, but reviews are just opinions, and in no way superior to any of us "regular" people. And as I said they have made so many baseless points and can be very off that they are simply untrustable.

Anyone that would say they are professional therefor better prepared to determine the value of a game than us everyday folks I would strongly disagree. They are professional in writing skills perhaps but based on the thousands of reviews I've read they are in no way any more capable of judging a game than I am.

Bigboi500

While that is certainly true, they aren't more qualified that us, sure.

Your arguement could be said of anything from Art to Books to Movies to TV...then, everything is exactly equal, and we don't know what quality is until we get around to trying it? That's just not going to happen.

If I want to get a good Chick Flick on Blu-Ray for my lady, I am not going to just guess, I am going to do research, not buy watching it, but by reviews, reading reviews especially by reviewers that see the world the way I do....or I will just go by a mass review system like Metacritic.

In any event, to determine QUALITY Games, we have to have more than just personal preference, although obviously that's one way.

How would I have known about Madworld, De Blob, or Okami at all, if I didn't read anything about it?

Sometimes it's nice to hear about a Quality game from left field, because it may get you to play it, but if there wasn't a reviews in place, none of us would have been exposed by the game's QUALITY.

:)

What we need is some form of socialized game reviews to squeeze out individual human bias and peronal vested interest. Something similar to Kotaku that uses four reviewers opinions and averages them out, but more along the lines of a group of regular gamers.

Until then trust them if you like but I don't think they can be allowed the benifit of the doubt as the unified entity of gaming quality.

That would be a dream come true!

This review system isn't just used for gaming, this system permeates a lot of entertainment, unfortunately.

That's what I liked about EGM's old reviews, they had Four Reviewers per game.

I don't trust what the media screams as Quality for me personally, but I don't knock the game either. I will just find what suits me, like you. :)

I do use reviews to expose myself to something I may never have heard of though.

feels good to know i was right about kz2, but now this is just getting a bit sad. ps3 needs a punch in the arm bigtime.

Well, yeah... Wii>DS>>>360>PS3

Bet it will be just like thatnext month.

KZ2 on the other hand. From massive hype to massive sales failure.

Wounder if Sony is reconsidering other PS3 projects for cancellation.

Truth_Hurts_U

[QUOTE="Truth_Hurts_U"]

Well, yeah... Wii>DS>>>360>PS3

Bet it will be just like thatnext month.

KZ2 on the other hand. From massive hype to massive sales failure.

Wounder if Sony is reconsidering other PS3 projects for cancellation.

djsifer01

Well, yeah... Wii>DS>>>360>PS3

Bet it will be just like thatnext month.

KZ2 on the other hand. From massive hype to massive sales failure.

Wounder if Sony is reconsidering other PS3 projects for cancellation.

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

While that is certainly true, they aren't more qualified that us, sure.

Your arguement could be said of anything from Art to Books to Movies to TV...then, everything is exactly equal, and we don't know what quality is until we get around to trying it? That's just not going to happen.

If I want to get a good Chick Flick on Blu-Ray for my lady, I am not going to just guess, I am going to do research, not buy watching it, but by reviews, reading reviews especially by reviewers that see the world the way I do....or I will just go by a mass review system like Metacritic.

In any event, to determine QUALITY Games, we have to have more than just personal preference, although obviously that's one way.

How would I have known about Madworld, De Blob, or Okami at all, if I didn't read anything about it?

Sometimes it's nice to hear about a Quality game from left field, because it may get you to play it, but if there wasn't a reviews in place, none of us would have been exposed by the game's QUALITY.

:)

SolidTy

What we need is some form of socialized game reviews to squeeze out individual human bias and peronal vested interest. Something similar to Kotaku that uses four reviewers opinions and averages them out, but more along the lines of a group of regular gamers.

Until then trust them if you like but I don't think they can be allowed the benifit of the doubt as the unified entity of gaming quality.

That would be a dream come true!

This review system isn't just used for gaming, this system permeates a lot of entertainment, unfortunately.

That's what I liked about EGM's old reviews, they had Four Reviewers per game.

I don't trust what the media screams as Quality for me personally, but I don't knock the game either. I will just find what suits me, like you. :)

I do use reviews to expose myself to something I may never have heard of though.

For instance, the other day i was flipping through my satellite tv's program guide and they have ratings for movies in the form of stars. 'The Scorpion King 'had three stars in the description and 'What's Eating Gilbert Grape' had just one and a half. :shock:

The PS3s AAA and AA software sales tell the true story of the PS3s sales figures,Sonys selling a respectable amount of Blu Ray players.I think this system as a game console is doing worse than the sales figures lead us to believe.Its this or playstation fans dont buy games.The gap between the 360 and PS3 is wider than it looks.

Why do sales matter when it comes to 360 vs ps3 but they don't matter when wii is added to the equation?

*sigh* fanboys.

a "true" gamer doesn't care about sales. True gamers play games. Not sales. If sales mattered, Wii is the greatest system to ever grace the gaming community. Toyota Camery owns Ferrari. And Halo is the greatest FPS ever.

This whole "sales war" we got going on here is pathetic. Seriously.

Why do sales matter when it comes to 360 vs ps3 but they don't matter when wii is added to the equation?

*sigh* fanboys.

a "true" gamer doesn't care about sales. True gamers play games. Not sales. If sales mattered, Wii is the greatest system to ever grace the gaming community. Toyota Camery owns Ferrari. And Halo is the greatest FPS ever.

This whole "sales war" we got going on here is pathetic. Seriously.

Why do sales matter when it comes to 360 vs ps3 but they don't matter when wii is added to the equation?

*sigh* fanboys.

a "true" gamer doesn't care about sales. True gamers play games. Not sales. If sales mattered, Wii is the greatest system to ever grace the gaming community. Toyota Camery owns Ferrari. And Halo is the greatest FPS ever.

This whole "sales war" we got going on here is pathetic. Seriously.

Why do sales matter when it comes to 360 vs ps3 but they don't matter when wii is added to the equation?

*sigh* fanboys.

a "true" gamer doesn't care about sales. True gamers play games. Not sales. If sales mattered, Wii is the greatest system to ever grace the gaming community. Toyota Camery owns Ferrari. And Halo is the greatest FPS ever.

This whole "sales war" we got going on here is pathetic. Seriously.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]Well if based on the poor quality of the majority of game reviews is the best we have to determine quality it's no wonder that society still views gaming as a niche form of entertainment and don't take the industry very seriously.

What we need is some form of socialized game reviews to squeeze out individual human bias and peronal vested interest. Something similar to Kotaku that uses four reviewers opinions and averages them out, but more along the lines of a group of regular gamers.

Until then trust them if you like but I don't think they can be allowed the benifit of the doubt as the unified entity of gaming quality.

Bigboi500

That would be a dream come true!

This review system isn't just used for gaming, this system permeates a lot of entertainment, unfortunately.

That's what I liked about EGM's old reviews, they had Four Reviewers per game.

I don't trust what the media screams as Quality for me personally, but I don't knock the game either. I will just find what suits me, like you. :)

I do use reviews to expose myself to something I may never have heard of though.

For instance, the other day i was flipping through my satellite tv's program guide and they have ratings for movies in the form of stars. 'The Scorpion King 'had three stars in the description and 'What's Eating Gilbert Grape' had just one and a half. :shock:

:lol:

That's as broken a system as going by just one review site. :P

I find it pretty interesting how America is known as the shooter market but a console RTS game sold more in one month then the Playstation's most hyped shooter ever but with 2 months of numbers.

Halo Wars in one month 639k

Killzone 2 in 2 months 621k

Sony can not be happy their most hyped shooter ever can not outsell a console rts game in America.

I find it pretty interesting how America is known as the shooter market but a console RTS game sold more in one month then the Playstation's most hyped shooter ever but with 2 months of numbers.

Halo Wars in one month 639k

Killzone 2 in 2 months 621k (WRONG, not TWO MONTHS)

Sony can not be happy their most hyped shooter ever can not outsell a console rts game in America.

rybe1025

Actually, KZ2 outsold Halo Wars, you just happen to be looking at the PS3's weakest territory. KZ2 has not been out for TWO MONTHS, it was only out TWO DAYS in FEB.

Sadly, it's not so interesting when you look at the american Install Bases of the 360 and the PS3.

Why do sales matter when it comes to 360 vs ps3 but they don't matter when wii is added to the equation?

*sigh* fanboys.

a "true" gamer doesn't care about sales. True gamers play games. Not sales. If sales mattered, Wii is the greatest system to ever grace the gaming community. Toyota Camery owns Ferrari. And Halo is the greatest FPS ever.

This whole "sales war" we got going on here is pathetic. Seriously.

Why do sales matter when it comes to 360 vs ps3 but they don't matter when wii is added to the equation?

*sigh* fanboys.

a "true" gamer doesn't care about sales. True gamers play games. Not sales. If sales mattered, Wii is the greatest system to ever grace the gaming community. Toyota Camery owns Ferrari. And Halo is the greatest FPS ever.

This whole "sales war" we got going on here is pathetic. Seriously.

[QUOTE="rybe1025"]

I find it pretty interesting how America is known as the shooter market but a console RTS game sold more in one month then the Playstation's most hyped shooter ever but with 2 months of numbers.

Halo Wars in one month 639k

Killzone 2 in 2 months 621k

Sony can not be happy their most hyped shooter ever can not outsell a console rts game in America.

SolidTy

Actually, KZ2 outsold Halo Wars, you just happen to be looking at the PS3's weakest territory.

Sadly, it's not so interesting when you look at the american Install Bases of the 360 and the PS3.

So... did Sony lie to me? What happened to the 1 million pre-orders?... Also holy nelly RE5. Did not see those sales coming :omusicalmac

You of all people should know that Preorders do not equal full sales.

They are just an indicator of hype and potential sales.

Even Halo 3 Preorders didn't sell through, at Gamestop, it was about 60%, which was still a crapload of Halo 3's!

Did M$ lie when they showed us the Too Human Preorders, no, it's just preorders. In this tough worldwise economy, I suppose many of those are either going to pick it up later, or reserved it for some promo items (Demo's, items in store, etc.)

That's the nature of retail for ya.

I thought the 1 million preorder thing was worldwide?

I find it pretty interesting how America is known as the shooter market but a console RTS game sold more in one month then the Playstation's most hyped shooter ever but with 2 months of numbers.

Halo Wars in one month 639k

Killzone 2 in 2 months 621k

Sony can not be happy their most hyped shooter ever can not outsell a console rts game in America.

rybe1025

...Wasn't KZ2 out for 2 days in February? Oh wait, using simple math, KZ2 only had a 5 day advantage on HW, not an entire month. :lol:

[QUOTE="musicalmac"]So... did Sony lie to me? What happened to the 1 million pre-orders?... Also holy nelly RE5. Did not see those sales coming :oSolidTy

You of all people should know that Preorders do not equal full sales.

They are just an indicator of hype.

Did M$ lie when they showed us the Too Human Preorders, no, it's just preorders. In this tough worldwise economy, I suppose many of those are either going to pick it up later, or reserved it for some promo items (Demo's, items in store, etc.)

That's the nature of retail for ya.

strange question though

[QUOTE="rybe1025"]

I find it pretty interesting how America is known as the shooter market but a console RTS game sold more in one month then the Playstation's most hyped shooter ever but with 2 months of numbers.

Halo Wars in one month 639k

Killzone 2 in 2 months 621k

Sony can not be happy their most hyped shooter ever can not outsell a console rts game in America.

SolidTy

Actually, KZ2 outsold Halo Wars, you just happen to be looking at the PS3's weakest territory.

Sadly, it's not so interesting when you look at the american Install Bases of the 360 and the PS3.

You of all people should know that Preorders do not equal full sales.

They are just an indicator of hype.

Did M$ lie when they showed us the Too Human Preorders, no, it's just preorders. In this tough worldwise economy, I suppose many of those are either going to pick it up later, or reserved it for some promo items (Demo's, items in store, etc.)

That's the nature of retail for ya.

SolidTy

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="musicalmac"]So... did Sony lie to me? What happened to the 1 million pre-orders?... Also holy nelly RE5. Did not see those sales coming :orofflecopter_

You of all people should know that Preorders do not equal full sales.

They are just an indicator of hype.

Did M$ lie when they showed us the Too Human Preorders, no, it's just preorders. In this tough worldwise economy, I suppose many of those are either going to pick it up later, or reserved it for some promo items (Demo's, items in store, etc.)

That's the nature of retail for ya.

Huh?

He asked a question, and I answered it.

He didn't understand Retail or how Reserves work at retail, so I broke it down, it doesn't apply to SONY, it applies to all preorders.

[QUOTE="rybe1025"]

I find it pretty interesting how America is known as the shooter market but a console RTS game sold more in one month then the Playstation's most hyped shooter ever but with 2 months of numbers.

Halo Wars in one month 639k

Killzone 2 in 2 months 621k (WRONG, not TWO MONTHS)

Sony can not be happy their most hyped shooter ever can not outsell a console rts game in America.

SolidTy

Actually, KZ2 outsold Halo Wars, you just happen to be looking at the PS3's weakest territory. KZ2 has not been out for TWO MONTHS, it was only out TWO DAYS in FEB.

Sadly, it's not so interesting when you look at the american Install Bases of the 360 and the PS3.

[QUOTE="rybe1025"]

I find it pretty interesting how America is known as the shooter market but a console RTS game sold more in one month then the Playstation's most hyped shooter ever but with 2 months of numbers.

Halo Wars in one month 639k

Killzone 2 in 2 months 621k

Sony can not be happy their most hyped shooter ever can not outsell a console rts game in America.

Lionheart08

...Wasn't KZ2 out for 2 days in February? Oh wait, using simple math, KZ2 only had a 5 day advantage on HW, not an entire month. :lol:

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

You of all people should know that Preorders do not equal full sales.

They are just an indicator of hype.

Did M$ lie when they showed us the Too Human Preorders, no, it's just preorders. In this tough worldwise economy, I suppose many of those are either going to pick it up later, or reserved it for some promo items (Demo's, items in store, etc.)

That's the nature of retail for ya.

musicalmac

You asked if Sony was lying about European Preorders, and using North American Sales numbers....but instead of explaining all that, I just wanted to explain how Preorders work, they are not 100% sale throughs.

Not even Halo 3 pulled off that. Gamestop had around a 60% preorder sell through on Halo 3 and that was awesome crazy numbers. :)

KZ2 has been out for a month and a few weeks. Many get confused, because it came out the last two days of Feb.

[QUOTE="Lionheart08"]

[QUOTE="rybe1025"]

I find it pretty interesting how America is known as the shooter market but a console RTS game sold more in one month then the Playstation's most hyped shooter ever but with 2 months of numbers.

Halo Wars in one month 639k

Killzone 2 in 2 months 621k

Sony can not be happy their most hyped shooter ever can not outsell a console rts game in America.

rybe1025

...Wasn't KZ2 out for 2 days in February? Oh wait, using simple math, KZ2 only had a 5 day advantage on HW, not an entire month. :lol:

But it didn't sell less, KZ2 has sold over a million, beating Halo Wars.

Does it change the fact that Sony's biggest shooter ever can not outsell a console rts game in the biggest shooter market? No it does not. Fact is KZ2 has been out longer and sold less.rybe1025

And being a part of the Halo franchise had nothing to do with it? I'm not knocking the game, but serious come on? Mario Spinoffs, Final Fantasy Spinoffs, know what they all have in common? They all sell excedingly well, mostly thanks to the names in their titles. Halo Wars selling more is not a surprise in the least. Plus y'know, Killzone has apparently sold more, worldwide.

Huh?

He asked a question, and I answered it.

He didn't understand Retail or how Reserves work at retail, so I broke it down, it doesn't apply to SONY, it applies to all preorders.

SolidTy

Killzone fanboys

rofflecopter_

He is evil yet he is sad

You asked if Sony was lying about European Preorders, and using North American Sales numbers....but instead of explaining all that, I just wanted to explain how Preorders work, they are not 100% sale throughs.

Not even Halo 3 pulled off that. Gamestop had around a 60% preorder sell through on Halo 3 and that was awesome crazy numbers. :)

KZ2 has been out for a month and a few weeks. Many get confused, because it came out the last two days of Feb.

SolidTy

[QUOTE="rybe1025"][QUOTE="Lionheart08"]

...Wasn't KZ2 out for 2 days in February? Oh wait, using simple math, KZ2 only had a 5 day advantage on HW, not an entire month. :lol:

SolidTy

But it didn't sell less, KZ2 has sold over a million, beating Halo Wars.

[QUOTE="rybe1025"][QUOTE="Lionheart08"]

...Wasn't KZ2 out for 2 days in February? Oh wait, using simple math, KZ2 only had a 5 day advantage on HW, not an entire month. :lol:

SolidTy

But it didn't sell less, KZ2 has sold over a million, beating Halo Wars.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

Huh?

He asked a question, and I answered it.

He didn't understand Retail or how Reserves work at retail, so I broke it down, it doesn't apply to SONY, it applies to all preorders.

musicalmac

I know. You would think that when someone puts down $5, they would come back and buy it...nope, only about half.(IT varies per game, but you get the idea.)

Actually, Gamestop and Best Buy make millions of dollars on non-picked up reserves.

Anyways, you listed Sony's American Sales Numbers when you asked if Sony lied. Sony did mention that they had a million preorders, but in Europe, which doesn't work with NA numbers.

The MLB 2K games selling is funny, as they don't get the greatest reviews, but there isn't a lot of choice out there.