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#251 Doolz2024
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[QUOTE="Doolz2024"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Sony can't afford that though. ;)jg4xchamp
If they can afford to drop the ps2 $30, I think they can afford to at least give a $50 price cut on the ps3

yeah but they make money on the PS2....they don't make a profit on the PS3 THere is no way, i mean thats one thing where the PS3s biggest selling point(how much of an awesome tech device it is) is actually one of its biggest issues. I mean Sony has taken a huge hit on the PS3.

i find it hard to believe that sony isn't making $$$ off the ps3. how are they even still in production if that's the case? or maybe the better question is, WHY are ps3's still being produced if that's the case?
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#252 Giancar
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I don't understand how people "DON'T" think that sales are important.....At the production/developers point of view sales are the only testament of how "successful" a franchise is...It really is as simple as that....."Successful" means "profitability".......not how good the game is...The game is great but "if" the sales do not follow.....

Do you think guerrilla will get the same budget for KZ3?

Do you think that the game will stay exclusive?

Do yea think we will see another KZ in the next 3-4 years?..

Do you think we will see continued support for the game via DLC?

It can argued that KZ2 has been Sony's largest flagship title and promoted as such for years...Showcasing how powerful the console is.... If a "Flagship" FPS in the states falls flat. What perception do you think that gives developers for the PS3? Will it affect other genres? or games that are still in concept?

My examples are just the tip of the iceberg....It does matter to "gamers" as it will have a direct impact on "us" down the road if this game does/doesn't do well..

masiisam
yeah, people should pay attention to sales but not for kz2 selling more than a million in 5 weeks worldwide in a $400 system in this economic situation.... sure not awesome or halo 3 sales but not bad sales at all
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#253 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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[QUOTE="Doolz2024"] i find it hard to believe that sony isn't making $$$ off the ps3. how are they even still in production if that's the case? or maybe the better question is, WHY are ps3's still being produced if that's the case?

It's an "investment". They take the hit early on, and then as manufacturing costs lower and sales increase -- it'll eventually become very profitable. Unfortunately, that light at the end of the tunnel isn't very close at all for Sony.
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#254 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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[QUOTE="Giancar"] yeah and I can easily differentiate fanboy/BS/liers persons in SW and jg4xchamp is not one of them....

Awesome. However, I'm afraid I don't put unquestionable faith in forum users over the internet -- everyone makes a miss-step or bonehead move once in awhile. Even some of the most renowned posters have made some miss-steps. Afterall, they're human. ;)
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#255 Doolz2024
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[QUOTE="Doolz2024"] i find it hard to believe that sony isn't making $$$ off the ps3. how are they even still in production if that's the case? or maybe the better question is, WHY are ps3's still being produced if that's the case?Stevo_the_gamer
It's an "investment". They take the hit early on, and then as manufacturing costs lower and sales increase -- it'll eventually become very profitable. Unfortunately, that light at the end of the tunnel isn't very close at all for Sony.

OK i understand now. so basically they had planned on the ps3 selling well, but it isn't and doesn't appear as though that's gonna happen anytime soon?
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#256 jg4xchamp
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[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="Doolz2024"] If they can afford to drop the ps2 $30, I think they can afford to at least give a $50 price cut on the ps3Doolz2024
yeah but they make money on the PS2....they don't make a profit on the PS3 THere is no way, i mean thats one thing where the PS3s biggest selling point(how much of an awesome tech device it is) is actually one of its biggest issues. I mean Sony has taken a huge hit on the PS3.

i find it hard to believe that sony isn't making $$$ off the ps3. how are they even still in production if that's the case? or maybe the better question is, WHY are ps3's still being produced if that's the case?

they aren't i think that has been documented many times. And the 360 started off at a loss, the XBOX lost Microsoft money all gen last gen The PS2 lost sony money early in the gen as well. So its not anything new for Sony and Microsoft to take an early hit, and make it up in the long run.
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#257 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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the XBOX lost Microsoft money all gen last gen jg4xchamp
Actually, Microsoft was in the black once last generation (Halo 2 Release). So not "all". ;)

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#258 rybe1025
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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="Doolz2024"] i find it hard to believe that sony isn't making $$$ off the ps3. how are they even still in production if that's the case? or maybe the better question is, WHY are ps3's still being produced if that's the case?Doolz2024
It's an "investment". They take the hit early on, and then as manufacturing costs lower and sales increase -- it'll eventually become very profitable. Unfortunately, that light at the end of the tunnel isn't very close at all for Sony.

OK i understand now. so basically they had planned on the ps3 selling well, but it isn't and doesn't appear as though that's gonna happen anytime soon?

Console companies make more money off of software then hardware on most cases. I am sure Sony did not expect to be last in software sales. Also another thing is Sony I am sure thought the cost to make the PS3s would have gone down faster. Neither worked out in Sony's favor.
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#259 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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OK i understand now. so basically they had planned on the ps3 selling well, but it isn't and doesn't appear as though that's gonna happen anytime soon?Doolz2024
ABSOLUTELY. Sony has been the KING on PR. I mean, hell; Sony has made some rather rediculous PR statements -- they had boasted that Blu-Ray was a guaranteed win for the PS3... instead, it looks like it ended up costing them the generation.

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#260 jg4xchamp
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[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]the XBOX lost Microsoft money all gen last gen Stevo_the_gamer

Actually, Microsoft was in the black once last generation (Halo 2 Release). So not "all". ;)

my mistake....i ...I learned something today/tonight.
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#261 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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my mistake....i ...I learned something today/tonight.jg4xchamp
You learned that I can be very nit-picky sometimes? :lol: :P

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#262 masiisam
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[QUOTE="masiisam"]

I don't understand how people "DON'T" think that sales are important.....At the production/developers point of view sales are the only testament of how "successful" a franchise is...It really is as simple as that....."Successful" means "profitability".......not how good the game is...The game is great but "if" the sales do not follow.....

Do you think guerrilla will get the same budget for KZ3?

Do you think that the game will stay exclusive?

Do yea think we will see another KZ in the next 3-4 years?..

Do you think we will see continued support for the game via DLC?

It can argued that KZ2 has been Sony's largest flagship title and promoted as such for years...Showcasing how powerful the console is.... If a "Flagship" FPS in the states falls flat. What perception do you think that gives developers for the PS3? Will it affect other genres? or games that are still in concept?

My examples are just the tip of the iceberg....It does matter to "gamers" as it will have a direct impact on "us" down the road if this game does/doesn't do well..

Giancar

yeah, people should pay attention to sales but not for kz2 selling more than a million in 5 weeks worldwide in a $400 system in this economic situation.... sure not awesome or halo 3 sales but not bad sales at all

I never said they are bad...I agree they are holding their own...but my overall point was deeper than that...

Adding to my post: Sales are sales...they are not excused at the developer/producer level on the economic times and/or the cost of the system supported....I can guarantee that at the developer/producer standpoint. Halo sales are absolutely used as a guide...because they are the model of how "successful" a franchise is..

The two share similar traits for their supported console..and if one is more successful than the other..and the difference in success is as abundant as it stands..It will have an impact for all gamers

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#263 jg4xchamp
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[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]my mistake....i ...I learned something today/tonight.Stevo_the_gamer

You learned that I can be very nit-picky sometimes? :lol: :P

no....that Microsoft was in the black at one point last gen....i knew the nit-picky part allready :P
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#264 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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no....that Microsoft was in the black at one point last gen....i knew the nit-picky part allready :Pjg4xchamp
I'm only nit-picky on certain subjects, damn it. :P The Halo Franchise on the Xbox is very profitable for the Xbox systems. Microsofts loves its Halos. (Though they don't need it to be in the black. ;) )

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#265 nervmeister
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Bring in worldwide sales to make you feel better, most of us are in the states. North America is what matters to the majority of us.xsalvioutlawx
Cows use worldwide sales to make themselves feel better and lemmings use NA sales to make themselves feel better (Oh, and sheep can use sales period like a whip to discipline the other two S&M style). It's all the same.

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#266 Gh0st_Of_0nyx
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:lol: those KZ2 number are more pathetic then I thought. Seems like cow's making the claim that KZ2 would be a massive system seller were deff wrong on this one, I barley sold more then mario kart an early 2008 game :lol:
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#267 sasapac
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360 remains strong in na and ps3 needs a price cut but don't forget that na this gen is full of 360 and halo fanboys. injapan ps3 sells more and at europe the salles are almost the same. ps3 needs a price cut and if that becomes i belive that it will sell more than 360

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#268 qewrewq
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So...where's madworld and that GTA DS.

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#269 Kahuna_1
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So... did Sony lie to me? What happened to the 1 million pre-orders?... Also holy nelly RE5. Did not see those sales coming :omusicalmac

That is how much the retailers order.

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#270 Caseytappy
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[QUOTE="Shy_Guy_Red"]

PS3 is down YoY for the 5th month in a row.

surrealnumber5

but it outsold the wii by 10k or so in japan last month

Yes , that really makes up for the almost 400.000 consoles they lose here then :lol:

All is well !!

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#271 jg4xchamp
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So...where's madworld and that GTA DS.

qewrewq
nowhere in the top 10 hell GTA DS tanked at 90k.
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#272 RonnieLottinSF
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[QUOTE="xsalvioutlawx"]Bring in worldwide sales to make you feel better, most of us are in the states. North America is what matters to the majority of us.nervmeister

Cows use worldwide sales to make themselves feel better and lemmings use NA sales to make themselves feel better (Oh, and sheep can use sales period like a whip to discipline the other two S&M style). It's all the same.

I don't know why cows bring in WW numbers. They are getting beat week over week in total sales WW every week and have been every week this year except for one I believe. So that is like 14 or 15 weeks out of 16 weeks the PS3 has lost so far this year to the 360 in sales. Cows should be proud of that, LOL! :lol:

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#273 yoyo462001
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So what now for Sony? I must say its looking bleak.
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#274 Bazfrag
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So what now for Sony? I must say its looking bleak.yoyo462001
A price cut.
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#275 PAL360
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WOW, nice numbers :D

After one month of massive 360 bash here on sw, i was almost contagiated! Im glad im back to the reality!!!

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#276 qewrewq
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[QUOTE="qewrewq"]

So...where's madworld and that GTA DS.

jg4xchamp

nowhere in the top 10 hell GTA DS tanked at 90k.

that's a shame, I'm not going to say "Why do sheep complain about the lack of good 3rd party games for the Wii if they don't even buy them" because that wouldn't be true, sheep are buying these games, problem is that sheep are a really small part of the Wii's userbase, unfortunately this means the Wii will end up having the weakest overall game library at the end of this gen, just like the gamecube.

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#277 JLF1
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game? it most defently was bundled in europe and the charts in europe ALL include bundled sales, unlike NPD. you fell for sony's trap.

rofflecopter_


You do know that MS has had every Halo game in bundles don't you?

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#278 Archaic8
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There really needs to be an accurate WW sales record as the NPD's just cripples Sony on these boards. NA is 360 land so with ever NPD report its another round of "PS3 is a Failure!" posts.

On topic though, good on RE5 for the strong sales, took me a while but I have started to appreciate RE5 even more with time, it truly is an awesome game.

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#280 obamanian
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WOW, nice numbers :D

After one month of massive 360 bash here on sw, i was almost contagiated! Im glad im back to the reality!!!

PAL360

Indeed, 360 eliminates the next gen competition each month after its price drop, by miles too

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#281 yoyo462001
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There really needs to be an accurate WW sales record as the NPD's just cripples Sony on these boards. NA is 360 land so with ever NPD report its another round of "PS3 is a Failure!" posts.

On topic though, good on RE5 for the strong sales, took me a while but I have started to appreciate RE5 even more with time, it truly is an awesome game.

Archaic8
that actually evens it because first half of months is 360 bashing of no games then second half is bash sony numbers.
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#282 HarlockJC
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[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="qewrewq"]

So...where's madworld and that GTA DS.

qewrewq

nowhere in the top 10 hell GTA DS tanked at 90k.

that's a shame, I'm not going to say "Why do sheep complain about the lack of good 3rd party games for the Wii if they don't even buy them" because that wouldn't be true, sheep are buying these games, problem is that sheep are a really small part of the Wii's userbase, unfortunately this means the Wii will end up having the weakest overall game library at the end of this gen, just like the gamecube.

I don't know what it means. It seems only Square and Nintendo sell well on a Nintendo format. You say that the Wii will have the worse library at the end of the gen. If third party games are not selling it means the mass of Sheep out there do not want those games anyways. All they want are Nintendo 1st or 2nd party games. I was worried about GTA coming out right around the same time has a Pokemon game. It seem again the mass of Nintendo fans out there spoke and bought a Nintendo title over a third party title. So for them maybe the library is not bad.

I don't know it ticks me off too. To know a company like Rockstar worked hard on this game and did not get anything out of it yet. Maybe it will sell better in the EU or in Japan.

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#283 BoloTheGreat
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[QUOTE="PAL360"]

WOW, nice numbers :D

After one month of massive 360 bash here on sw, i was almost contagiated! Im glad im back to the reality!!!

obamanian

Indeed, 360 eliminates the next gen competition each month after its price drop, by miles too

I hate to burst your bubble but the Wii does exist you know.
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#285 PAL360
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[QUOTE="obamanian"]

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

WOW, nice numbers :D

After one month of massive 360 bash here on sw, i was almost contagiated! Im glad im back to the reality!!!

BoloTheGreat

Indeed, 360 eliminates the next gen competition each month after its price drop, by miles too

I hate to burst your bubble but the Wii does exist you know.

Im sure by "next gen" he means "HD"

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#286 JLF1
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[QUOTE="obamanian"]

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

WOW, nice numbers :D

After one month of massive 360 bash here on sw, i was almost contagiated! Im glad im back to the reality!!!

BoloTheGreat

Indeed, 360 eliminates the next gen competition each month after its price drop, by miles too

I hate to burst your bubble but the Wii does exist you know.


Most people in the industry refers to the 360 and PS3 when they say next gen. Especially when they talk about different versions of the games.

They mean HD version but usually use the "Next gen" word.

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#287 TheNewspaper
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Killzone 2 is a sales flop. :lol:

Halo Wars, an RTS on CONSOLES, outsold the extremely hot, hyped and anticipated Killzone 2's February and March sales. :lol: Uh, dude, this is history.

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#288 RonnieLottinSF
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[QUOTE="obamanian"]

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

WOW, nice numbers :D

After one month of massive 360 bash here on sw, i was almost contagiated! Im glad im back to the reality!!!

BoloTheGreat

Indeed, 360 eliminates the next gen competition each month after its price drop, by miles too

I hate to burst your bubble but the Wii does exist you know.

Sure, but it is selling to 45 year old house wives and old people. It isn't an HD console and is pretty much in a different demographic as far as consoles go (really it has its own, sort of like the PSP and DS). The only two consoles that even relate to one another right now are the PS3 and 360.

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#289 McdonaIdsGuy
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Darn the wii and 360 are on fire..
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#290 JLF1
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Darn the wii and 360 are on fire..McdonaIdsGuy

I don't think I've seen you made one positive remark about anything Sony ever.

If you really have a PS3 as you claim in your sig then why don't you create on official sig?

Here is the LINK, It takes 2min.

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#291 Tsug_Ze_Wind
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And then, having lost their "declining sales = fad" argument, the haters resumed their belief that the Wii doesn't count. :lol:

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#292 McdonaIdsGuy
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[QUOTE="McdonaIdsGuy"]Darn the wii and 360 are on fire..JLF1


I don't think I've seen you made one positive remark about anything Sony ever.

If you really have a PS3 as you claim in your sig then why don't you create on official sig?

Here is the LINK, It takes 2min.



Happy now

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#293 JLF1
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[QUOTE="JLF1"]

[QUOTE="McdonaIdsGuy"]Darn the wii and 360 are on fire..McdonaIdsGuy


I don't think I've seen you made one positive remark about anything Sony ever.

If you really have a PS3 as you claim in your sig then why don't you create on official sig?

Here is the LINK, It takes 2min.



Happy now


Yes I am. Now your arguments hold more weight.

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#294 xsubtownerx
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[QUOTE="McdonaIdsGuy"]

[QUOTE="JLF1"]
I don't think I've seen you made one positive remark about anything Sony ever.

If you really have a PS3 as you claim in your sig then why don't you create on official sig?

Here is the LINK, It takes 2min.

JLF1



Happy now


Yes I am. Now your arguments hold more weight.

What are you even talking about? All he said was that the Wii and 360 were on fire.. Why are you getting all bent out of shape over what he said?

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#295 LosDaddie
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Darn the wii and 360 are on fire..McdonaIdsGuy

Agreed 100%. It's such a reversal from last gen. At this point, the PS3 will be very lucky to retain 50% of the PS2's marketshare.

I'm happy to see both RE5 and Halo Wars do awesome too. Both games deserve it. :)

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#296 delta3074
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Nintendo Wii - 601,000
Nintendo DS - 563,000
Xbox 360 - 330,000
PS3 - 218,000
PlayStation Portable - 168,000
PlayStation 2 - 112,000

Ds and Wii dominate. The 360 sold more than the PS3 and PS2 combined.

The #1 game was Resident Evil 5 for the 360 which almost sold a whoppin 1 mill!!!!

Squall18
ouch, the 360 is holding it's own against both sony's consoles, you would think ps2's would be flying off the shelves with sonys recent price drop, and whats with RE5? it was selling equally on both consoles now all of a sudden it's selling nearly twice as much on 360.
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#298 PAL360
Member since 2007 • 30574 Posts

[QUOTE="McdonaIdsGuy"]

[QUOTE="JLF1"]
I don't think I've seen you made one positive remark about anything Sony ever.

If you really have a PS3 as you claim in your sig then why don't you create on official sig?

Here is the LINK, It takes 2min.

JLF1



Happy now


Yes I am. Now your arguments hold more weight.

You know, not every 360/PS3 owner praise the PS3 and bash the 360. Actually, i see no reason to prefer the PS3 over 360! These sale numbers are very fair if you ask me!

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#299 Malta_1980
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wow US surely loves Nintendo's systems :)

360 managed to have good sales too... PS3 well i think a price-cut would really help at this stage..