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#401 Mr_Apple_Soup
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So you ask to see those 9.0+ sites to try and prove him wrong but when showed them all the best you have in response is....bu..but this GS so they do not matter. So why did you even ask?? You could at least admit he was right.

Face it Fable scored great and KZ2 will probably never get the sales Fable got.

rybe1025

and yet, killzone still score high then fable 2, in more places then just gamespot

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#402 obamanian
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[QUOTE="rybe1025"]

So you ask to see those 9.0+ sites to try and prove him wrong but when showed them all the best you have in response is....bu..but this GS so they do not matter. So why did you even ask?? You could at least admit he was right.

Face it Fable scored great and KZ2 will probably never get the sales Fable got.

Mr_Apple_Soup

and yet, killzone still score high then fable 2, in more places then just gamespot

That means nothing, shooters like Gears and Halo scored even higher, but i don't consider any of them a better game, maybe they are the best in their extremely limited category (linear, 7 hour shooters), but nothing more, scores mean nothing much

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#403 patrickjw333
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sony needs to act now if they wanna keep the ps3 relevant in the U.S. i mean the media already has everyone not supporting it and thats why microsoft is winning
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#404 Lionheart08
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[QUOTE="Mr_Apple_Soup"]

[QUOTE="rybe1025"]

So you ask to see those 9.0+ sites to try and prove him wrong but when showed them all the best you have in response is....bu..but this GS so they do not matter. So why did you even ask?? You could at least admit he was right.

Face it Fable scored great and KZ2 will probably never get the sales Fable got.

obamanian

and yet, killzone still score high then fable 2, in more places then just gamespot

That means nothing, shooters like Gears and Halo scored even higher, but i don't consider any of them a better game, maybe they are the best in their extremely limited category (linear, 7 hour shooters), but nothing more, scores mean nothing much

Then what was the point of you listing all those high scores Fable 2 recieved? :?

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#405 SolidTy
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[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[quote="Squall18"]The 360 sold more than the PS3 and PS2 combined (330,000).xsubtownerx


WRONG.

TC : Why did you say that the 360 sold more than the PS3 and PS2 combined? That was untrue. I know you like to knock Sony in your threads, but at least be truthful.

112,000 + 218,000 = 330,000, RIGHT? How is 330,000 more than 330,000?

That statement was laced with pure biased opinion, and in this case it happened to be completely false.

If you want to slight Sony, that's fine, just do it correctly next time, since you are wrong.

Also, the Wii sold a little under the 360, PS3, and PS2 Combined!

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This is the 4th topic about this, but Good for RE5, I bought two copies...this data will be nice to add to the WORLDWIDE Numbers.

For those that Bash KZ2 numbers, remember, this is not counting FEB. KZ2 numbers, and this is only NA...in a worldwide economic crisis.

Sony just reported KZ2 hit PLATINUM, which is pretty good for a month, especially for a sequel based on a mediocre shooter. KZ2 will keep selling all year long.

Following the revelation that Killzone 2 became the fastest SCEA title on PS3 to reach 500K sold, Sony today revealed that the critically acclaimed first-person shooter from Guerilla Games has sold over one million copies worldwide. The company pointed to the game as another example of an "only on PlayStation experience," and noted that KZ2 will "continue to drive incentive for hardware sales throughout the year."Sony


Wow.. ****** much?

What part do you have a problem with?

This isn't even worldwide sales, this is NA, KZ2 has hit a million sales.

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#406 deactivated-5b1e62582e305
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That means nothing, shooters like Gears and Halo scored even higher, but i don't consider any of them a better game, maybe they are the best in their extremely limited category (linear, 7 hour shooters), but nothing more, scores mean nothing much

obamanian

Thank god we don't go by what you think. :|

And :lol: at Fable 2.

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#407 obamanian
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[QUOTE="obamanian"]

That means nothing, shooters like Gears and Halo scored even higher, but i don't consider any of them a better game, maybe they are the best in their extremely limited category (linear, 7 hour shooters), but nothing more, scores mean nothing much

Aljosa23

Thank god we don't go by what you think. :|

And :lol: at Fable 2.

Laugh as much as you like, that will not make the 100+ AAA reviews any less or make the GOTY nominations dissapear

You can have your opinion of course, but don't pretend this is the general opinion of everyone else, especially the 2.7 million that bought the game

It is games like KZ2 that noone buys, remember that

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#408 Kahuna_1
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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="obamanian"]

That means nothing, shooters like Gears and Halo scored even higher, but i don't consider any of them a better game, maybe they are the best in their extremely limited category (linear, 7 hour shooters), but nothing more, scores mean nothing much

obamanian

Thank god we don't go by what you think. :|

And :lol: at Fable 2.

Laugh as much as you like, that will not make the 100+ AAA reviews any less or make the GOTY nominations dissapear

You can have your opinion of course, but don't pretend this is the general opinion of everyone else, especially the 2.7 million that bought the game

It is games like KZ2 that noone buys, remember that

1 million+ bought it already.

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#409 SolidTy
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It is games like KZ2 that noone buys, remember that

obamanian

The SECOND post in this thread PROVES you wrong, Obamamian. This isn't the first time you've stated lies to make your point.

KZ2 has sold ONE MILLION COPIES so far, and it's still a little over a month old.

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#410 obamanian
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[QUOTE="obamanian"]

Laugh as much as you like, that will not make the 100+ AAA reviews any less or make the GOTY nominations dissapear

You can have your opinion of course, but don't pretend this is the general opinion of everyone else, especially the 2.7 million that bought the game

It is games like KZ2 that noone buys, remember that

Kahuna_1

1 million+ bought it already.

Well, 1 mill is not 2.7, plus do you have a valid link ? NPD shows nothing like that

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#411 deactivated-63f6895020e66
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[QUOTE="obamanian"]

[QUOTE="Kahuna_1"]

[QUOTE="obamanian"]

Laugh as much as you like, that will not make the 100+ AAA reviews any less or make the GOTY nominations dissapear

You can have your opinion of course, but don't pretend this is the general opinion of everyone else, especially the 2.7 million that bought the game

It is games like KZ2 that noone buys, remember that

1 million+ bought it already.

Well, 1 mill is not 2.7, plus do you have a valid link ? NPD shows nothing like that

Sony official numbers. Besides, even NPD numbers alone prove your statement "It is games like KZ2 that noone buys" wrong.
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#412 SolidTy
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[QUOTE="Kahuna_1"]

[QUOTE="obamanian"]

Laugh as much as you like, that will not make the 100+ AAA reviews any less or make the GOTY nominations dissapear

You can have your opinion of course, but don't pretend this is the general opinion of everyone else, especially the 2.7 million that bought the game

It is games like KZ2 that noone buys, remember that

obamanian

1 million+ bought it already.

Well, 1 mill is not 2.7, plus do you have a valid link ? NPD shows nothing like that

ONE MILLION > No one.

LINK on PAGE ONE of this thread.

*Digs it up so you will know reality*

KZ2 Sells ONE MILLION COPIES, SUPER FAST and Breaks Records! (It's only a little over a month old!)

http://www.gamedaily.com/games/killzone-2/playstation-3/game-news/killzone-2-eclipses-1-million-sold/

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#413 themyth01
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Guess the 1 million sales will help them break even on the game's cost at least.

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#414 SolidTy
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Guess the 1 million sales will help them break even on the game's cost at least.

themyth01

I guess so...I can't wait to see how month Two does! Heck, imagine a FULL YEAR!!!(Holiday season, and New PS3 owners)

The bottom line is that KZ2 broke records for Sony and has YEARS to make money, not just this dinky month that all the haters are concerned about.

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#415 W1NGMAN-
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[QUOTE="themyth01"]

Guess the 1 million sales will help them break even on the game's cost at least.

SolidTy

I guess so...I can't wait to see how month Two does! Heck, imagine a FULL YEAR!!!

I can see it selling half of what it did in March....for a FPS the controls aren't very noob/casual friendly.

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#416 xsubtownerx
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[QUOTE="SolidTy"]What part do you have a problem with? This isn't even worldwide sales, this is NA, KZ2 has hit a million sales.

I think it's funny that you got all bent out of shape for what the TC said about the 360 beating the PS3 + PS2 combined. Your damage control on Killzone 2, for someone who claims to not be biased, is also laughable. I agree that 1 mil world wide sales is GREAT for any game. But Killzone 2 was hyped to be the "next big thing". It's not dominating the charts like a lot of SW posters claimed it would, and it sure isn't a system seller like they also claimed it would be. It's a good game that is selling good. Nothing special however. But It doesn't bother me one way or the other. I do like pointing out fanboism when I see it however. Especially when it's a user who claims to not be biased.
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#417 Lionheart08
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Laugh as much as you like, that will not make the 100+ AAA reviews any less or make the GOTY nominations dissapear

You can have your opinion of course, but don't pretend this is the general opinion of everyone else, especially the 2.7 million that bought the game

It is games like KZ2 that noone buys, remember that

obamanian

You just said reviews aren't that important. I swear, you flip flop on your beliefs more than a politician. :roll:

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#418 deactivated-63f6895020e66
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for a FPS the controls aren't very noob/casual friendly.W1NGMAN-
Or maybe they are just unnecessary complicated.
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#419 Animal-Mother
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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="obamanian"]

That means nothing, shooters like Gears and Halo scored even higher, but i don't consider any of them a better game, maybe they are the best in their extremely limited category (linear, 7 hour shooters), but nothing more, scores mean nothing much

obamanian

Thank god we don't go by what you think. :|

And :lol: at Fable 2.

Laugh as much as you like, that will not make the 100+ AAA reviews any less or make the GOTY nominations dissapear

You can have your opinion of course, but don't pretend this is the general opinion of everyone else, especially the 2.7 million that bought the game

It is games like KZ2 that noone buys, remember that

What the 100+ AAA reviews of non credible sites and magazines. That's a joke. Honestly who goes Dude1:" Man I Can't wait for the fable 2 review in maxim this month!" Dude 2: "you know there are also half naked girls in there right?" Both dudes: Awkward Silence

Fable 2 89 metacritic Hyped AAA/ Killzone 2 Hyped AAA 92 on metacritic. Which one is the flop?

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I guess so...I can't wait to see how month Two does! Heck, imagine a FULL YEAR!!!(Holiday season, and New PS3 owners)

The bottom line is that KZ2 broke records for Sony and has YEARS to make money, not just this dinky month that all the haters are concerned about.

SolidTy

I don't know if we're ignoring the sales trend so far, or if we've actually forgotten this quickly.

As I mentioned before, Killzone 2 sold roughly 323,000 in February in NA, over the span of 2 days. Yay! Good sales!

Killzone 2 then followed those two days with 296,000 copies sold in NA, over the span of one month!

Now. You really can't wait to see the sales figures for month two? Really? Really?? :?

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#421 Animal-Mother
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[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

I guess so...I can't wait to see how month Two does! Heck, imagine a FULL YEAR!!!(Holiday season, and New PS3 owners)

The bottom line is that KZ2 broke records for Sony and has YEARS to make money, not just this dinky month that all the haters are concerned about.

musicalmac

I don't know if we're ignoring the sales trend so far, or if we've actually forgotten this quickly.

As I mentioned before, Killzone 2 sold roughly 323,000 in February in NA, over the span of 2 days. Yay! Good sales!

Killzone 2 then followed those two days with 296,000 copies sold in NA, over the span of one month!

Now. You really can't wait to see the sales figures for month two? Really? Really?? :?

It can't be much worse. Can it? I mean if month two gets significantly worse I will loose my faith with PS3 owners. And don't get me wrong I understand everyone has different taste's and difference but Killzone 2 is just really awesome, No PS3 owner should miss it. It's like being a communist.
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#422 Jacumov
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sony needs to act now if they wanna keep the ps3 relevant in the U.S. i mean the media already has everyone not supporting it and thats why microsoft is winning patrickjw333

Dont blame the media blame Sony smugness. Every gamer I know that swore by the PS2 5 yrs ago now swears by the 360.

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#423 SolidTy
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[QUOTE="SolidTy"]What part do you have a problem with? This isn't even worldwide sales, this is NA, KZ2 has hit a million sales.xsubtownerx
I think it's funny that you got all bent out of shape for what the TC said about the 360 beating the PS3 + PS2 combined. Your damage control on Killzone 2, for someone who claims to not be biased, is also laughable. I agree that 1 mil world wide sales is GREAT for any game. But Killzone 2 was hyped to be the "next big thing". It's not dominating the charts like a lot of SW posters claimed it would, and it sure isn't a system seller like they also claimed it would be. It's a good game that is selling good. Nothing special however. But It doesn't bother me one way or the other. I do like pointing out fanboism when I see it however. Especially when it's a user who claims to not be biased.

I have read many of your posts over the years, and you are one of many biased Lem posters on this board, what you fail to realize is all I did was state facts. SQUALL18 was WRONG, and you are defending Squall18 INACCURATE, poor post, that had a lie in it, and that doesn't bother you.

What bothers you is my post, full of facts.

It bothered you so much to call me names, but you couldn't actually dispute any of my large post, other than to call me a name. Yes, you are certainly more credible now.

Keep on pointing out fanboyism, and avoiding Squall18 and any other flawed posts.

What I did was point out facts, and it irked you, sir. Have a great day, I have all three, you do not, you aren't the most credible to begin with.

This thread is FILLED to the brim with INACCURATE and POOR posts, why don't you go point out that fanboyism, and you know, instead of knocking on the user, try actually knocking THEIR POST, like I did.

Keep on fighting that fight, you do it so well.

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[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="SolidTy"]

I guess so...I can't wait to see how month Two does! Heck, imagine a FULL YEAR!!!(Holiday season, and New PS3 owners)

The bottom line is that KZ2 broke records for Sony and has YEARS to make money, not just this dinky month that all the haters are concerned about.

Animal-Mother

I don't know if we're ignoring the sales trend so far, or if we've actually forgotten this quickly.

As I mentioned before, Killzone 2 sold roughly 323,000 in February in NA, over the span of 2 days. Yay! Good sales!

Killzone 2 then followed those two days with 296,000 copies sold in NA, over the span of one month!

Now. You really can't wait to see the sales figures for month two? Really? Really?? :?

It can't be much worse. Can it? I mean if month two gets significantly worse I will loose my faith with PS3 owners. And don't get me wrong I understand everyone has different taste's and difference but Killzone 2 is just really awesome, No PS3 owner should miss it. It's like being a communist.

Of course it is going to get way worse in month two. Count onless than half oflast month's salesforApril. That is just the way it is for most games and KZ2 doesn't look to be any different than most.

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#425 SolidTy
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[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

I guess so...I can't wait to see how month Two does! Heck, imagine a FULL YEAR!!!(Holiday season, and New PS3 owners)

The bottom line is that KZ2 broke records for Sony and has YEARS to make money, not just this dinky month that all the haters are concerned about.

musicalmac

I don't know if we're ignoring the sales trend so far, or if we've actually forgotten this quickly.

As I mentioned before, Killzone 2 sold roughly 323,000 in February in NA, over the span of 2 days. Yay! Good sales!

Killzone 2 then followed those two days with 296,000 copies sold in NA, over the span of one month!

Now. You really can't wait to see the sales figures for month two? Really? Really?? :?

Firstly, I want to go back and point out that you compared RE5 to KZ2. RE5 is a Great Selling brand with a huge amount of fans.

KZ2 is coming off of a trainwreck, and trying to recover and create new fans, so no need to compare them.

Now, to respond to this current post.

My point that is lost due to the fact that the TOP POSTER I responded to, was that KZ2 has ALL YEAR and Years to sell for Sony.
So while, KZ2 is being knocked for "Only selling a Million", I was pointing out the short time frame that was accomplished in.

If you look at the sales, KZ2 will no way have sales like it did it's first month (End of Feb to End of March)...Why would it. HOWEVER, it will continue to sell all year, and surely beat the ONE MILLION it has sold so far.

My point was KZ2 is still on the market, and has an entire year to keep on selling. So while next month, and the month after, and the month after will definately show a DECLINE, the game will still sell copies.

So the ONE MILLION number being thrown around is NOT THE END of the line for KZ2...KZ2 is establishine a Brand for SONY, and it takes work, like LBP, GT, God of War, etc.

So, yes, while my post looks silly out of context, when you put it back in context with the user I was QUOTING, you can see, I am pointing out the future.

I don't think anyone is foolhardy enough to actually claim KZ2 will have the same sales legs it's second month like it did the first month.

Look at my bottomline, that the most important part of my post. :)

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#426 Animal-Mother
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[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="musicalmac"]

I don't know if we're ignoring the sales trend so far, or if we've actually forgotten this quickly.

As I mentioned before, Killzone 2 sold roughly 323,000 in February in NA, over the span of 2 days. Yay! Good sales!

Killzone 2 then followed those two days with 296,000 copies sold in NA, over the span of one month!

Now. You really can't wait to see the sales figures for month two? Really? Really?? :?

SUD123456

It can't be much worse. Can it? I mean if month two gets significantly worse I will loose my faith with PS3 owners. And don't get me wrong I understand everyone has different taste's and difference but Killzone 2 is just really awesome, No PS3 owner should miss it. It's like being a communist.

Of course it is going to get way worse in month two. Count onless than half oflast month's salesforApril. That is just the way it is for most games and KZ2 doesn't look to be any different than most.

I think It has the legs though. It'll do fine in the long run Thats just me completely guessing though
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#427 musicalmac  Moderator
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[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

Firstly, I want to go back and point out that you compared RE5 to KZ2. RE5 is a Great Selling brand with a huge amount of fans. KZ2 is coming off of a trainwreck, and trying to recover and create new fans, so no need to compare them. Now, to respond to this current post. My point that is lost due to the fact that the TOP POSTER I responded to, was that KZ2 has ALL YEAR and Years to sell for Sony. So while, KZ2 is being knocked for "Only selling a Million", I was pointing out the short time frame that was accomplished in. If you look at the sales, KZ2 will no way have sales like it did it's first month (End of Feb to End of March)...Why would it. HOWEVER, it will continue to sell all year, and surely beat the ONE MILLION it has sold so far. My point was KZ2 is still on the market, and has an entire year to keep on selling. So while next month, and the month after, and the month after will definately show a DECLINE, the game will still sell copies. So the ONE MILLION number being thrown around is NOT THE END of the line for KZ2...KZ2 is establishine a Brand for SONY, and it takes work, like LBP, GT, God of War, etc. So, yes, while my post looks silly out of context, when you put it back in context with the user I was QUOTING, you can see, I am pointing out the future. I don't think anyone is foolhardy enough to actually claim KZ2 will have the same sales legs it's second month like it did the first month. Look at my bottomline, that the most important part of my post.

I didn't take your post out of context. You said you were excited to see the next month of KZ2 sales. That's pretty cut and dry.

Now, regarding this latest post. Are you trying to say you're actually not looking forward to next months sales, because they won't be as good? Sounds like backtracking to me.

By this logic, you shouldn't criticize any games sales. If I could borrow your own statements, "My point was {INSERT GAME TITLE HERE} is still on the market, and has an entire year to keep on selling. So while next month, and the month after, and the month after will definately show a DECLINE, the game will still sell copies."

Perspective FTW.

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#428 SpinoRaptor24
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So GTA CW sold less than 90,000?

That's just terrible. People would rather buy a rehashed Pokemon game than try something new?

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#429 SolidTy
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[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

Firstly, I want to go back and point out that you compared RE5 to KZ2. RE5 is a Great Selling brand with a huge amount of fans. KZ2 is coming off of a trainwreck, and trying to recover and create new fans, so no need to compare them. Now, to respond to this current post. My point that is lost due to the fact that the TOP POSTER I responded to, was that KZ2 has ALL YEAR and Years to sell for Sony. So while, KZ2 is being knocked for "Only selling a Million", I was pointing out the short time frame that was accomplished in. If you look at the sales, KZ2 will no way have sales like it did it's first month (End of Feb to End of March)...Why would it. HOWEVER, it will continue to sell all year, and surely beat the ONE MILLION it has sold so far. My point was KZ2 is still on the market, and has an entire year to keep on selling. So while next month, and the month after, and the month after will definately show a DECLINE, the game will still sell copies. So the ONE MILLION number being thrown around is NOT THE END of the line for KZ2...KZ2 is establishine a Brand for SONY, and it takes work, like LBP, GT, God of War, etc. So, yes, while my post looks silly out of context, when you put it back in context with the user I was QUOTING, you can see, I am pointing out the future. I don't think anyone is foolhardy enough to actually claim KZ2 will have the same sales legs it's second month like it did the first month. Look at my bottomline, that the most important part of my post.

musicalmac

I didn't take your post out of context. You said you were excited to see the next month of KZ2 sales. That's pretty cut and dry.

Now, regarding this latest post. Are you trying to say you're actually not looking forward to next months sales, because they won't be as good? Sounds like backtracking to me.

By this logic, you shouldn't criticize any games sales. If I could borrow your own statements, "My point was {INSERT GAME TITLE HERE} is still on the market, and has an entire year to keep on selling. So while next month, and the month after, and the month after will definately show a DECLINE, the game will still sell copies."

Perspective FTW.

No, no way. You are trying to pigeonhole here. :)

Look, I am excited to see KZ2 sales next month, you know why?

Because whatever KILLZONE 2 sells Worldwide next month, that total will be ADDED to the ONE MILLION already sold. The month after that, the same.

I never said my excitement levels have decreased.

Logic tells me before any game comes out, that sales pick up and slow down. You mistook my excitement, since you had no explaination for it.

MY Excitement level does not equate to Sales per month. I 'm talking AGGREGATE here.

Perspective FTW, indeed.

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#430 The_Game21x
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So GTA CW sold less than 90,000?

That's just terrible. People would rather buy a rehashed Pokemon game than try something new?

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Apparently so. And that's a shame. GTA CTW is a truly great game.
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#431 musicalmac  Moderator
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[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

No, no way. You are trying to pigeonhole here. Look, I am excited to see KZ2 sales next month, you know why? Because whatever KILLZONE 2 sells Worldwide next month, that total will be ADDED to the ONE MILLION already sold. The month after that, the same. I never said my excitement levels have decreased. No where EVER, would I say that KZ2 would outsell itself it's initial month. You mistook my excitement, since you had no explaination for it. MY Excitement level does not equate to Sales per month. I 'm talking AGGREGATE here. Perspective FTW, indeed.

Alright. Lets just add this all up...

"My point was {INSERT GAME TITLE HERE} is still on the market, and has an entire year to keep on selling. So while next month, and the month after, and the month after will definately show a DECLINE, the game will still sell copies. Because whatever {PREVIOUS GAME TITLE} sells Worldwide next month, that total will be ADDED to the ONE MILLION already sold. The month after that, the same."

So do the sales of every game on the market excite you? Because I'll tell you one thing about that- When you said I had no explanation for your KZ2 sales excitement, you were right. Because there's nothing to get excited about.

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#432 SolidTy
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[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

No, no way. You are trying to pigeonhole here. Look, I am excited to see KZ2 sales next month, you know why? Because whatever KILLZONE 2 sells Worldwide next month, that total will be ADDED to the ONE MILLION already sold. The month after that, the same. I never said my excitement levels have decreased. No where EVER, would I say that KZ2 would outsell itself it's initial month. You mistook my excitement, since you had no explaination for it. MY Excitement level does not equate to Sales per month. I 'm talking AGGREGATE here. Perspective FTW, indeed.

musicalmac

Alright. Lets just add this all up...

"My point was {INSERT GAME TITLE HERE} is still on the market, and has an entire year to keep on selling. So while next month, and the month after, and the month after will definately show a DECLINE, the game will still sell copies. Because whatever {PREVIOUS GAME TITLE} sells Worldwide next month, that total will be ADDED to the ONE MILLION already sold. The month after that, the same."

So do the sales of every game on the market excite you? Because I'll tell you one thing about that- When you said I had no explanation for your KZ2 sales excitement, you were right. Because there's nothing to get excited about.

No, not every game, just games I love, like GeoW. When that came out, I was excited, since I loved it. Same for RE4 (New Style had me worried) and Okami back in the day, DMC1 back in the day, FFVII back in the day (New Platform had me worried), GTA3 Back then, Shadow of the Colossus, Phantom Dust back then, God of War 1 (New IP), Guitar Hero (New IP), and LBP, DeBlob, Madworld, SF4 and MGS4 recently.

There are certainly other games I like that sell well regardless, like Mario, Zelda, Halo, and FF, those are established. Why KZ2 is exciting, is that in a years Time, FEB 2010, it will have established itself much better. Will it rise up like the original GTA3, God of War, and other IPs do, or will it die off.

Seems like an interesting show, since I do hope a sequel comes along. :)

Sales are never going to be as good as playing a game, my games, but here in SW, it's brought up, so I like to stay up about it. If not for SW, I wouldn't pay as close attention, save for the occasional wondering if a sequel is coming, and then checkng the sales.

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#433 musicalmac  Moderator
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[quote="SolidTy"]No, not every game, just games I love, like GeoW. When that came out, I was excited, since I loved it. Same for RE4 (New Style had me worried) and Okami back in the day, DMC1 back in the day, FFVII back in the day (New Platform had me worried), GTA3 Back then, Shadow of the Colossus, Phantom Dust back then, God of War 1 (New IP), Guitar Hero (New IP), and LBP, DeBlob, Madworld, SF4 and MGS4 recently. There are certainly other games I like that sell well regardless, like Mario, Zelda, Halo, and FF, those are established. Why KZ2 is exciting, is that in a years Time, FEB 2010, it will have established itself much better. Will it rise up like the original GTA3, God of War, and other IPs do, or will it die off. Seems like an interesting show, since I do hope a sequel comes along. Sales are never going to be as good as playing a game, my games, but here in SW, it's brought up, so I like to stay up about it. If not for SW, I wouldn't pay as close attention, save for the occasional wondering if a sequel is coming, and then checkng the sales.

Well I guess that's where you and I differ. I tend to take a more objective approach to sales, where as you see it as more of a personal experience. It's difficult discussing sales with someone who takes counterpoint personally.

I would be surprised if we saw KZ2 in the top 10 again next month. Is it impossible? No. Improbable? Yes.

Read: Not exciting.

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#434 _SWAG_
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[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="SolidTy"]

KZ2 is coming off of a trainwreck

SolidTy

Sounds like backtracking to me.

Perspective FTW.

No, no way. You are trying to pigeonhole here. :)

Perspective FTW, indeed.

to be honest you do back track. in this thread here you said "kz wasnt the last game gg did, they made kz psp, which got great scores." now youre saying kz2 is coming off of a trainwreck!?! also in that same thread you were talking about bionic commando and said "i will stick to spiderman for my swinging aroung game" then later on in the same thread said "capcoms involvement is the only reason i even care for the game at all, otherwise this would be an automatic pass."

anyway im also so excited for next months sales, killzone2 is a quality game and i think itll sell above 200k

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I honestly think if Killzone sold 2 million in 5 weeks people would still say it flopped in sales. Only way they would not say it didnt flop would be if it beat Halo. The game sold better than I thought it would...considering how pathetic the original was...

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#436 SolidTy
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to be honest you do back track. in this thread here you said "kz wasnt the last game gg did, they made kz psp, which got great scores." now youre saying kz2 is coming off of a trainwreck!?! also in that same thread you were talking about bionic commando and said "i will stick to spiderman for my swinging aroung game" then later on in the same thread said "capcoms involvement is the only reason i even care for the game at all, otherwise this would be an automatic pass."

anyway im also so excited for next months sales, killzone2 is a quality game and i think itll sell above 200k

_SWAG_

No, you just get confused on my points.

To the public, KZ2 and KZ are the only main games.

To the gamer in the know, we know GG made more than KZ2 and KZ1.

As far as BC, I have posted much more than that, but you don't know my feelings on it. Capcom is one of my fave companies, and deserve my support, but the vids aren't exciting nor are GRIN's efforts.

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[QUOTE="_SWAG_"]

to be honest you do back track. in this thread here you said "kz wasnt the last game gg did, they made kz psp, which got great scores." now youre saying kz2 is coming off of a trainwreck!?! also in that same thread you were talking about bionic commando and said "i will stick to spiderman for my swinging aroung game" then later on in the same thread said "capcoms involvement is the only reason i even care for the game at all, otherwise this would be an automatic pass."

anyway im also so excited for next months sales, killzone2 is a quality game and i think itll sell above 200k

SolidTy

No, you just get confused on my points.

To the public, KZ2 and KZ are the only main games.

To the gamer in the know, we know GG made more than KZ2 and KZ1.

As far as BC, I have posted much more than that, but you don't know my feelings on it. Capcom is one of my fave companies, and deserve my support, but the vids aren't exciting nor are GRIN's efforts.

so when you said you would rather stick to spiderman for your swinging aroung game instead of bionic commando, was that just a joke or did i confuse that point too?
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Jacumov

THAT is beyond funny - isnt this lolfaq sig?

what does paper's text say ...cant read

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#439 SolidTy
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[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

No, you just get confused on my points.

To the public, KZ2 and KZ are the only main games.

To the gamer in the know, we know GG made more than KZ2 and KZ1.

As far as BC, I have posted much more than that, but you don't know my feelings on it. Capcom is one of my fave companies, and deserve my support, but the vids aren't exciting nor are GRIN's efforts.

_SWAG_

so when you said you would rather stick to spiderman for your swinging aroung game instead of bionic commando, was that just a joke or did i confuse that point too?

No, that wasn't a joke. Spiderman's games have been decent, and if BC doesn't do much more than play like Spidey with Guns, then I will be dissappointed.

However, I wouldn't write the game off, since it's a Capcom IP, and I do own all forms of Bionic Commando, BUT sometimes Clas.sic games need to stay Cla.ssic.

I would welcome a surprise by the developer, but I can't get too excited, since GRIN's latest Retail outing was lackluster. They did alright with an existing formula, when they remade BC on PSN/XBLA but that's not saying much.

The only reason I even care is because CAPCOM's name will be on the box, what I have seen and what I know about the dev. have me worried. So right now, Spidey wins because I have actually played those, and can vouch for their quality. I can't vouch for GRIN's Retail games yet, and yes, I've beaten Wanted.

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#440 _SWAG_
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[QUOTE="_SWAG_"][QUOTE="SolidTy"]

No, you just get confused on my points.

To the public, KZ2 and KZ are the only main games.

To the gamer in the know, we know GG made more than KZ2 and KZ1.

SolidTy

so when you said you would rather stick to spiderman for your swinging aroung game instead of bionic commando, was that just a joke or did i confuse that point too?

No, that wasn't a joke. I would welcome a surprise by the developer, but I can't get too excited, since GRIN's latest Retail outing was lackluster. I can't vouch for GRIN's Retail games yet, and yes, I've beaten Wanted.

ic but shouldnt us gamers know that movie games will most likely be lackluster regardless if GRIN is working on it or not? so basically youre not excited for GRINs next project because of their latest lackluster movie game? also GRIN worked with the GRAW games for the PC so i wouldnt doubt their next project besides wanted is a passable game

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[QUOTE="Jacumov"]

thrillh0

THAT is beyond funny - isnt this lolfaq sig?

what does paper's text say ...cant read

lolfaq is no longer with us, so i guess that joke can have more than one reference. :P

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#442 SolidTy
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[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="_SWAG_"]so when you said you would rather stick to spiderman for your swinging aroung game instead of bionic commando, was that just a joke or did i confuse that point too?_SWAG_

No, that wasn't a joke. I would welcome a surprise by the developer, but I can't get too excited, since GRIN's latest Retail outing was lackluster. I can't vouch for GRIN's Retail games yet, and yes, I've beaten Wanted.

ic but shouldnt us gamers know that movie games will most likely be lackluster regardless if GRIN is working on it or not? so basically youre not excited for GRINs next project because of their latest lackluster movie game? also GRIN worked with the GRAW games for the PC so i wouldnt doubt their next project besides wanted is a passable game

Well, Wanted seemed like it could be a Max Payne/Dead to Rights game, especially since it didn't come out real fast. I was just hoping for more...I do know that some movie games have surprised me like Goldeneye64, the Lord of the Rings Games on PS2/Xbox and recently on 360, the Spidey Games, which I mentioned, The Thing PS2/Xbox, Lego Star Wars, and Lego Indiana Jones...I guess overall, it's crappy though.

I guess I should have questioned Wanted more, it cost me $60, but lesson learned. I now question if I want to spend $60 on BC, it's up to the reviews at this point. :)

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I have read many of your posts over the years, and you are one of many biased Lem posters on this board, what you fail to realize is all I did was state facts. SQUALL18 was WRONG, and you are defending Squall18 INACCURATE, poor post, that had a lie in it, and that doesn't bother you.

What bothers you is my post, full of facts.

It bothered you so much to call me names, but you couldn't actually dispute any of my large post, other than to call me a name. Yes, you are certainly more credible now.

Keep on pointing out fanboyism, and avoiding Squall18 and any other flawed posts.

What I did was point out facts, and it irked you, sir. Have a great day, I have all three, you do not, you aren't the most credible to begin with.

This thread is FILLED to the brim with INACCURATE and POOR posts, why don't you go point out that fanboyism, and you know, instead of knocking on the user, try actually knocking THEIR POST, like I did.

Keep on fighting that fight, you do it so well.

SolidTy

That's funny, because I've read many of your posts as well. Seems to me, for the most part, you're quick to defend the PS3 when the discussion involves the 360 as well. I mean just because you own all the systems, that doesn't mean you don't have a favorite. I was just pointing out your overreaction on what the TC had said. Did I ever actually, literally claim that he was right? And FYI, I own a PS2. Maybe I should add what I'm playing on it in my sig. Then, I won't be considered "lem" anymore, right? ;)

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[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

I have read many of your posts over the years, and you are one of many biased Lem posters on this board, what you fail to realize is all I did was state facts. SQUALL18 was WRONG, and you are defending Squall18 INACCURATE, poor post, that had a lie in it, and that doesn't bother you.

What bothers you is my post, full of facts.

It bothered you so much to call me names, but you couldn't actually dispute any of my large post, other than to call me a name. Yes, you are certainly more credible now.

Keep on pointing out fanboyism, and avoiding Squall18 and any other flawed posts.

What I did was point out facts, and it irked you, sir. Have a great day, I have all three, you do not, you aren't the most credible to begin with.

This thread is FILLED to the brim with INACCURATE and POOR posts, why don't you go point out that fanboyism, and you know, instead of knocking on the user, try actually knocking THEIR POST, like I did.

Keep on fighting that fight, you do it so well.

xsubtownerx

That's funny, because I've read many of your posts as well. Seems to me, for the most part, you're quick to defend the PS3 when the discussion involves the 360 as well. I mean just because you own all the systems, that doesn't mean you don't have a favorite. I was just pointing out your overreaction on what the TC had said. Did I ever actually, literally claim that he was right? And FYI, I own a PS2. Maybe I should add what I'm playing on it in my sig. Then, I won't be considered "lem" anymore, right? ;)

defending a console =/= bashing a console

I've seen one of you defending ps3 a lot (and everytime with arguments)

and the other defending the 360 and bashing it's competition

clearly there is a difference...

oh, and for the record, people could be a fanboy despite owning all systems

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What does this prove, that most Americans buy on name over quality? I'm American btw.
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#446 SolidTy
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[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

I have read many of your posts over the years, and you are one of many biased Lem posters on this board, what you fail to realize is all I did was state facts. SQUALL18 was WRONG, and you are defending Squall18 INACCURATE, poor post, that had a lie in it, and that doesn't bother you.

What bothers you is my post, full of facts.

It bothered you so much to call me names, but you couldn't actually dispute any of my large post, other than to call me a name. Yes, you are certainly more credible now.

Keep on pointing out fanboyism, and avoiding Squall18 and any other flawed posts.

What I did was point out facts, and it irked you, sir. Have a great day, I have all three, you do not, you aren't the most credible to begin with.

This thread is FILLED to the brim with INACCURATE and POOR posts, why don't you go point out that fanboyism, and you know, instead of knocking on the user, try actually knocking THEIR POST, like I did.

Keep on fighting that fight, you do it so well.

xsubtownerx

That's funny, because I've read many of your posts as well. Seems to me, for the most part, you're quick to defend the PS3 when the discussion involves the 360 as well. I mean just because you own all the systems, that doesn't mean you don't have a favorite. I was just pointing out your overreaction on what the TC had said. Did I ever actually, literally claim that he was right? And FYI, I own a PS2. Maybe I should add what I'm playing on it in my sig. Then, I won't be considered "lem" anymore, right? ;)

Was it an overeaction when I've seen Squall18's posting habits for some time? He is still incorrect (like a lot of his biased posts), and he hasn't edited, that's just how this place works. I haven't bashed any consoles, or come to the aid of any console bashers. While I might defend the PS3 in posts, especially here in SW, that's only because the lately, the very best trolling efforts have been consistantly coming at the PS3's or Wii's expense.

You don't see me posting in every PS3 thread, I just go to the game threads that interest me. I always have a point.After seeing the countless LBP Sales threads, I knew how this thread would play out. So, I came in this thread, seeing that Squall18 made it, and sure enough, he didn't dissappoint with an inaccurate comment. Knowing how this thread would play out, I made sure the rest of SW had facts to back it up before they went Apepoop. It didn't help, as you called me out for defending, instead of calling out Squall for being wrong.

Strangely, if I was wrong, I would have been called out. Not one person in this thread has called out Squall18, isn't that odd? He's clearly wrong.

You didn't claim he was right, but you did come after my post, even though I was factual. That means you quite literally were willing to overlook an error to call me out. You didn't have a problem with my post, just that I defended the PS3. Mind you, I certainly didn't bash the 360.

So, what's worse, a guy who defends constantly, or a guy that takes shots at systems?

My favorite system this Gen is 360 by the way, you can't judge a poster by his defense statements.

If you look at my post on page one, I simply am stating that SW is going to get carried away by NA numbers, and look at this thread, I was right. IT's only NA, I think we should all be concerned with the poor sales of GTA DS and Madworld, but for some reason KZ2 is the highlight of this thread.

Right now, PAGE ONE of SW is :

Multiplats are better on 360 thread

KZ2 Graphics not good thread

Should 3rd parties make PS3 games anymore

KZ2s Sales vs. GeoW Thread

FFXIII looks better on 360 thread.

Halo 3 has PERFECT gameplay

Xmen vs. Halo thread

KZ2 sales not Bad!! thread

Sad cutscenes thread

Madworld sales = 66,000 thread.

As you can see, the best trolls are on one side of the fence. While I won't go out and troll, I will make sure these efforts are curbed.

There's a lot of PS3 bashing 5 Threads, one PS3 defense thread, and the rest or whatever threads.

So, PS3 fans have to wait for Fanboys to swing at them, and if the PS3 fans start to defend themselves, they are fanboys? Why can't the guys taking the potshots be fanboys? Squall18 took a shot, he should be debating with you, not I. I merely pointed out his error, as he does them a lot.

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[QUOTE="Jacumov"]

thrillh0

THAT is beyond funny - isnt this lolfaq sig?

what does paper's text say ...cant read

I think it says...

"PS3 ___ Sales Down For ____ Straight Month"

"Killzone 2 sales well below of expectations"

...I think. Somebody want to help me out here?

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#448 rybe1025
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[QUOTE="thrillh0"]

[QUOTE="Jacumov"]

SpinoRaptor24

THAT is beyond funny - isnt this lolfaq sig?

what does paper's text say ...cant read

I think it says...

"PS3 ___ Sales Down For ____ Straight Month"

"Killzone 2 sales well below of expectations"

...I think. Somebody want to help me out here?

Says PS3 YOY sales down for 8th straight month. So most of what you had was correct cept for the blanks.

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#449 Ninja-Hippo
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I wonder how long it'll take before Wii sales start to drop? It's started in Japan.
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[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"]

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

I have read many of your posts over the years, and you are one of many biased Lem posters on this board, what you fail to realize is all I did was state facts. SQUALL18 was WRONG, and you are defending Squall18 INACCURATE, poor post, that had a lie in it, and that doesn't bother you.

What bothers you is my post, full of facts.

It bothered you so much to call me names, but you couldn't actually dispute any of my large post, other than to call me a name. Yes, you are certainly more credible now.

Keep on pointing out fanboyism, and avoiding Squall18 and any other flawed posts.

What I did was point out facts, and it irked you, sir. Have a great day, I have all three, you do not, you aren't the most credible to begin with.

This thread is FILLED to the brim with INACCURATE and POOR posts, why don't you go point out that fanboyism, and you know, instead of knocking on the user, try actually knocking THEIR POST, like I did.

Keep on fighting that fight, you do it so well.

SolidTy

That's funny, because I've read many of your posts as well. Seems to me, for the most part, you're quick to defend the PS3 when the discussion involves the 360 as well. I mean just because you own all the systems, that doesn't mean you don't have a favorite. I was just pointing out your overreaction on what the TC had said. Did I ever actually, literally claim that he was right? And FYI, I own a PS2. Maybe I should add what I'm playing on it in my sig. Then, I won't be considered "lem" anymore, right? ;)

Was it an overeaction when I've seen Squall18's posting habits for some time? He is still incorrect (like a lot of his biased posts), and he hasn't edited, that's just how this place works. I haven't bashed any consoles, or come to the aid of any console bashers. While I might defend the PS3 in posts, especially here in SW, that's only because the lately, the very best trolling efforts have been consistantly coming at the PS3's or Wii's expense.

You don't see me posting in every PS3 thread, I just go to the game threads that interest me. I always have a point.After seeing the countless LBP Sales threads, I knew how this thread would play out. So, I came in this thread, seeing that Squall18 made it, and sure enough, he didn't dissappoint with an inaccurate comment. Knowing how this thread would play out, I made sure the rest of SW had facts to back it up before they went Apepoop. It didn't help, as you called me out for defending, instead of calling out Squall for being wrong.

Strangely, if I was wrong, I would have been called out. Not one person in this thread has called out Squall18, isn't that odd? He's clearly wrong.

You didn't claim he was right, but you did come after my post, even though I was factual. That means you quite literally were willing to overlook an error to call me out. You didn't have a problem with my post, just that I defended the PS3. Mind you, I certainly didn't bash the 360.

So, what's worse, a guy who defends constantly, or a guy that takes shots at systems?

My favorite system this Gen is 360 by the way, you can't judge a poster by his defense statements.

If you look at my post on page one, I simply am stating that SW is going to get carried away by NA numbers, and look at this thread, I was right. IT's only NA, I think we should all be concerned with the poor sales of GTA DS and Madworld, but for some reason KZ2 is the highlight of this thread.

Right now, PAGE ONE of SW is :

Multiplats are better on 360 thread

KZ2 Graphics not good thread

Should 3rd parties make PS3 games anymore

KZ2s Sales vs. GeoW Thread

FFXIII looks better on 360 thread.

Halo 3 has PERFECT gameplay

Xmen vs. Halo thread

KZ2 sales not Bad!! thread

Sad cutscenes thread

Madworld sales = 66,000 thread.

As you can see, the best trolls are on one side of the fence. While I won't go out and troll, I will make sure these efforts are curbed.

There's a lot of PS3 bashing 5 Threads, one PS3 defense thread, and the rest or whatever threads.

So, PS3 fans have to wait for Fanboys to swing at them, and if the PS3 fans start to defend themselves, they are fanboys? Why can't the guys taking the potshots be fanboys? Squall18 took a shot, he should be debating with you, not I. I merely pointed out his error, as he does them a lot.

agree with Subtown you are extremely quick to defend PS3. *nothing wrong with that i guess*