This topic is locked from further discussion.
Haven't seen this posted anywhere here, yet, but it's pretty interesting since it completely blows a major argument against the Wii and its owners out of the water:
http://wii.ign.com/articles/847/847472p1.html
Keep in mind that these are NPD numbers and not figures that Nintendo claims or anything like that.
By what standards? It's got an overall attach rate of almost 5, compared to the 360's 7. :| A two game difference is hardly a difference to scoff at, especially considering that the 360 has the advantage of having an entire year of extra software, compared with the competition. And this is coming from someone that owns and loves a 360.Yet the attach rate is still terrible.
usmcjdk6
"havent seen this posted anywhere"
"posted a few days ago"
somethign about that made me laugh
[QUOTE="usmcjdk6"]By what standards? It's got an overall attach rate of almost 5, compared to the 360's 7. :| A two game difference is hardly a difference to scoff at, especially considering that the 360 has the advantage of having an entire year of extra software, compared with the competition. And this is coming from someone that owns and loves a 360.If they weren't counting controller sales it would be a different story.Yet the attach rate is still terrible.
Erkidu
Yet the attach rate is still terrible.
usmcjdk6
How do you figure?
A ~3.5 attach rate after one year isn't bad, especially for a console that is selling SO quickly in the hardware department. It's actually very impressive.
[QUOTE="Makari"]This has nothing to do with many Wiis sold over the holiday month being in $500+ 6-game bundles, right? Oh wait. :(ErkiduAnd? :| It's not like the people got those games for free. They were well aware that they were PAYING for them. What difference does it make? On another note, the 360 Premium came with two games over the holiday season (and still does in some locations).It's a very important fact. The Wii was not available at all in some places without a bundle, meaning people were forced to buy software that they probably would not have bought otherwise.
The 360 premium deal was not a instore bundle. The games were packaged with the unit and was not an extra charge. Some Wii bundles were going for about 700 bucks because you were forced to buy 10 games with the system..Reggie even spoke out about this. The 360 bundles were offical bundles. The Wii bundles were not. The only game officially sanctioned by Nintendo to be packaged with the Wii, is Wii Sports. Everything else was retailers ripping you off because they knew people weren't buying the crappy shovelware.
LINK
I don't understand how people don't see this.
And? :| It's not like the people got those games for free. They were well aware that they were PAYING for them. What difference does it make? On another note, the 360 Premium came with two games over the holiday season (and still does in some locations).It's a very important fact. The Wii was not available at all in some places without a bundle, meaning people were forced to buy software that they probably would not have bought otherwise.[QUOTE="Erkidu"][QUOTE="Makari"]This has nothing to do with many Wiis sold over the holiday month being in $500+ 6-game bundles, right? Oh wait. :(heretrix
The 360 premium deal was not a instore bundle. The games were packaged with the unit and was not an extra charge. Some Wii bundles were going for about 700 bucks because you were forced to buy 10 games with the system..Reggie even spoke out about this. The 360 bundles were offical bundles. The Wii bundles were not. The only game officially sanctioned by Nintendo to be packaged with the Wii, is Wii Sports. Everything else was retailers ripping you off because they knew people weren't buying the crappy shovelware.
LINK
I don't understand how people don't see this.
[QUOTE="heretrix"]And? :| It's not like the people got those games for free. They were well aware that they were PAYING for them. What difference does it make? On another note, the 360 Premium came with two games over the holiday season (and still does in some locations).It's a very important fact. The Wii was not available at all in some places without a bundle, meaning people were forced to buy software that they probably would not have bought otherwise.[QUOTE="Erkidu"][QUOTE="Makari"]This has nothing to do with many Wiis sold over the holiday month being in $500+ 6-game bundles, right? Oh wait. :(Erkidu
The 360 premium deal was not a instore bundle. The games were packaged with the unit and was not an extra charge. Some Wii bundles were going for about 700 bucks because you were forced to buy 10 games with the system..Reggie even spoke out about this. The 360 bundles were offical bundles. The Wii bundles were not. The only game officially sanctioned by Nintendo to be packaged with the Wii, is Wii Sports. Everything else was retailers ripping you off because they knew people weren't buying the crappy shovelware.
LINK
I don't understand how people don't see this.
You just choose to ignore the facts and cherry pick what you want to believe. The fact is that you aren't paying extra for MUA or Forza. And it's already counted as purchased from the publisher when it's in an official bundle...
When you purchase games from an instore bundle pack,Which isn't official, it's counted as a purchase from the store you bought it from, which is how NPD gets their numbers. NPD doesn't get their count from publishers so they would not count the Forza or MUA games as separate. the only thing that gets counted is the Xbox 360 itself.
You believing that I strengthened your point, proves you have no idea what you are arguing about...:|
Remember, we are talking about data from NPD, NOT publishers.
[QUOTE="Erkidu"][QUOTE="heretrix"]And? :| It's not like the people got those games for free. They were well aware that they were PAYING for them. What difference does it make? On another note, the 360 Premium came with two games over the holiday season (and still does in some locations).It's a very important fact. The Wii was not available at all in some places without a bundle, meaning people were forced to buy software that they probably would not have bought otherwise.[QUOTE="Erkidu"][QUOTE="Makari"]This has nothing to do with many Wiis sold over the holiday month being in $500+ 6-game bundles, right? Oh wait. :(heretrix
The 360 premium deal was not a instore bundle. The games were packaged with the unit and was not an extra charge. Some Wii bundles were going for about 700 bucks because you were forced to buy 10 games with the system..Reggie even spoke out about this. The 360 bundles were offical bundles. The Wii bundles were not. The only game officially sanctioned by Nintendo to be packaged with the Wii, is Wii Sports. Everything else was retailers ripping you off because they knew people weren't buying the crappy shovelware.
LINK
I don't understand how people don't see this.
You just choose to ignore the facts and cherry pick what you want to believe. The fact is that you aren't paying extra for MUA or Forza. And it's already counted as purchased from the publisher when it's in an official bundle...
When you purchase games from an instore bundle pack,Which isn't official, it's counted as a purchase from the store you bought it from, which is how NPD gets their numbers. NPD doesn't get their count from publishers so they would not count the Forza or MUA games as separate.
You believeing that I strengthened your point, proves you have no idea what you are arguing about...:|
Interesting... What you just said made absolutely no sense. :| So Forza and Marvel count as sales for the publisher, but games sold in bundles with the Wii count as "sales for the store". Tell me something. Where did the store get its copies of the games? I'll give you 10 guesses. Regardless of whether or not NPD counts them in the monthly reports, they still count in the overall WW sales of the games themselves.[QUOTE="Makari"]*snip*Gunraidan
It doesn't include bundles...
I was going to point this out too, but it was too fun to watch them go at it over something that is totally irrelevant...
I was going to point this out too, but it was too fun to watch them go at it over something that is totally irrelevant...
GundamGuy0
Damn I was having too much fun....I know!!! Guys they counted Wii Play so is it really higher then the 360! (let's see how long it take them to figure this one out)
Interesting... What you just said made absolutely no sense. :| So Forza and Marvel count as sales for the publisher, but games sold in bundles with the Wii count as "sales for the store". Tell me something. Where did the store get its copies of the games? I'll give you 10 guesses. Regardless of whether or not NPD counts them in the monthly reports, they still count in the overall WW sales of the games themselves.Erkidu
Look at the title of the thread :|
Activision puts 1 million copies of MUA and Forza in a 360 bundle. That is counted as games sold as far Activision and Microsoft are concerned. This is before the consoles hit store shelves. A deal is made and the Publishers are compensated. Still with me? So according to Activision and MS, they have already sold 1 millon copies of MUA and Forza. It's already been counted and in MS's case it doesn't matter.
Now Toys R Us says they will setup a bundle with Red Steel and Metroid Prime. You cannot get a Wii without buying these 2 games. There are 150,000 Wii's instock total in all of TRU's locations. Guess what? When those bundles are sold, NPD counts the games as separate purchases even though they were bought in a bundle.
So according to NPD the Wii has sold 150,000 copies of Metroid and Red steel, while all the NPD counts for the 360 is THE XBOX CONSOLE itself.
[QUOTE="Erkidu"][QUOTE="heretrix"][QUOTE="Erkidu"][QUOTE="heretrix"]And? :| It's not like the people got those games for free. They were well aware that they were PAYING for them. What difference does it make? On another note, the 360 Premium came with two games over the holiday season (and still does in some locations).It's a very important fact. The Wii was not available at all in some places without a bundle, meaning people were forced to buy software that they probably would not have bought otherwise.[QUOTE="Erkidu"][QUOTE="Makari"]This has nothing to do with many Wiis sold over the holiday month being in $500+ 6-game bundles, right? Oh wait. :(heretrix
The 360 premium deal was not a instore bundle. The games were packaged with the unit and was not an extra charge. Some Wii bundles were going for about 700 bucks because you were forced to buy 10 games with the system..Reggie even spoke out about this. The 360 bundles were offical bundles. The Wii bundles were not. The only game officially sanctioned by Nintendo to be packaged with the Wii, is Wii Sports. Everything else was retailers ripping you off because they knew people weren't buying the crappy shovelware.
LINK
I don't understand how people don't see this.
You just choose to ignore the facts and cherry pick what you want to believe. The fact is that you aren't paying extra for MUA or Forza. And it's already counted as purchased from the publisher when it's in an official bundle...
When you purchase games from an instore bundle pack,Which isn't official, it's counted as a purchase from the store you bought it from, which is how NPD gets their numbers. NPD doesn't get their count from publishers so they would not count the Forza or MUA games as separate.
You believeing that I strengthened your point, proves you have no idea what you are arguing about...:|
Interesting... What you just said made absolutely no sense. :| So Forza and Marvel count as sales for the publisher, but games sold in bundles with the Wii count as "sales for the store". Tell me something. Where did the store get its copies of the games? I'll give you 10 guesses. Regardless of whether or not NPD counts them in the monthly reports, they still count in the overall WW sales of the games themselves.Activision puts 1 million copies of MUA and Forza in a 360 bundle. That is counted as games sold as far Activision and Microsoft are concerned. This is before the consoles hit store shelves. A deal is made and the Publishers are compensated. Still with me? So according to Activision and MS, they have already sold 1 millon copies of MUA and Forza. It's already been counted and in MS's case it doesn't matter.
Now Toys R Us says they will setup a bundle with Red Steel and Metroid Prime. You cannot get a Wii without buying these 2 games. There are 150,000 Wii's instock total in all of TRU's locations. Guess what? When those bundles are sold, NPD counts the games as separate purchases even though they were bought in a bundle.
So according to NPD the Wii has sold 150,000 copies of Metroid and Red steel, while all the NPD counts for the 360 is THE XBOX CONSOLE itself.
I understand this. What I'm saying is that, while NPD might not count them as individual sales in their monthly reports - the publishers DO count them in their press releases and WW sales figures, just like any publisher selling their titles as stand-alone. You're also ignoring the fact that the bundles were not around in such enormous numbers as to make such a huge impact on NPD. Their December report makes this fairly obvious. You're also ignoring the fact that the big retailer responsible for the biggest and most expensive bundles, Wal-Mart, isn't even included in the NPD statistics.[QUOTE="usmcjdk6"]Yet the attach rate is still terrible.
i_like_pizza
How do you figure?
A ~3.5 attach rate after one year isn't bad, especially for a console that is selling SO quickly in the hardware department. It's actually very impressive.
The 3.5 is Japan only it is 7 in the US and 5.6 for Europe....5 over all
[QUOTE="i_like_pizza"][QUOTE="usmcjdk6"]Yet the attach rate is still terrible.
HarlockJC
How do you figure?
A ~3.5 attach rate after one year isn't bad, especially for a console that is selling SO quickly in the hardware department. It's actually very impressive.
The 3.5 is Japan only it is 7 in the US and 5.6 for Europe....5 over all
Thats good for just one year but Japan is what is killing the Attach Rate for Wii, if Japan had just a little more games for the Wii the Average will be higher.of course its going to have a better tie ratio, theres more wii's then there are 360's and ps3's. all this is saying is how many games were bought by every wii owner over how many consoles were bought in december. not as impressive as it seems now is it?Big_playerThat made absolutely no sense. :| 1.35 million Wiis were sold in the US in December - and Wii owners bought an AVERAGE of 8 games (that's alot of software). On another note, there are actually more 360s than Wiis in the US.
Haven't seen this posted anywhere here, yet, but it's pretty interesting since it completely blows a major argument against the Wii and its owners out of the water:
http://wii.ign.com/articles/847/847472p1.html
Keep in mind that these are NPD numbers and not figures that Nintendo claims or anything like that.
svetzenlether
According the link, the Wii sold more games in Dec. for every Wii consoled sold in the U.S. However, looking at the NPD data, that doesn't seem plausible. Just looking at the top 10 games, the X360 sold the most software and also sold less unit in Dec. compared to the Wii. That would make the attach ration for the X360 higher than the Wii.
Hmmm..... is Matt upto his old tricks again?
[QUOTE="svetzenlether"]Haven't seen this posted anywhere here, yet, but it's pretty interesting since it completely blows a major argument against the Wii and its owners out of the water:
http://wii.ign.com/articles/847/847472p1.html
Keep in mind that these are NPD numbers and not figures that Nintendo claims or anything like that.
RaveRabbid
According the link, the Wii sold more games in Dec. for every Wii consoled sold in the U.S. However, looking at the NPD data, that doesn't seem plausible. Just looking at the top 10 games, the X360 sold the most software and also sold less unit in Dec. compared to the Wii. That would make the attach ration for the X360 higher than the Wii.
Hmmm..... is Matt upto his old tricks again?
They publish more then the top 10... (The next 15 add up in the Wii's favor) (Matt wasn't the only one to say this)
[QUOTE="RaveRabbid"][QUOTE="svetzenlether"]Haven't seen this posted anywhere here, yet, but it's pretty interesting since it completely blows a major argument against the Wii and its owners out of the water:
http://wii.ign.com/articles/847/847472p1.html
Keep in mind that these are NPD numbers and not figures that Nintendo claims or anything like that.
GundamGuy0
According the link, the Wii sold more games in Dec. for every Wii consoled sold in the U.S. However, looking at the NPD data, that doesn't seem plausible. Just looking at the top 10 games, the X360 sold the most software and also sold less unit in Dec. compared to the Wii. That would make the attach ration for the X360 higher than the Wii.
Hmmm..... is Matt upto his old tricks again?
They publish more then the top 10... (The next 15 add up in the Wii's favor) (Matt wasn't the only one to say this)
That may be true but where are those top 20 games? I can't see it. Most places only have the top ten selling games for Dec. Also, the X360 has the highest number among the top 10? Are you saying that somehow.......... out of the blue....... the Wii managed to have more games that sold better than the X360 in the top 20? That seems unlikely. If someone can provide a link to this Data (because we all know Matt isn't going to do it).
Bundles are not, they still count Wii play. Great marketing or not, it's still basically an arcade game. Which aren't counted for the other systems.
It's a $10 game bundled with a needed accessory(#1 selling) which makes people go, oh, why not. How many copies of wii play have been purcased? How many over the holiday season? Take those numbers out, and you'll get the true attach ratio.
[QUOTE="GundamGuy0"][QUOTE="RaveRabbid"][QUOTE="svetzenlether"]Haven't seen this posted anywhere here, yet, but it's pretty interesting since it completely blows a major argument against the Wii and its owners out of the water:
http://wii.ign.com/articles/847/847472p1.html
Keep in mind that these are NPD numbers and not figures that Nintendo claims or anything like that.
RaveRabbid
According the link, the Wii sold more games in Dec. for every Wii consoled sold in the U.S. However, looking at the NPD data, that doesn't seem plausible. Just looking at the top 10 games, the X360 sold the most software and also sold less unit in Dec. compared to the Wii. That would make the attach ration for the X360 higher than the Wii.
Hmmm..... is Matt upto his old tricks again?
That data Cost Thousands of Dollars. The top 10 and hardware sales are published for free... NPD doesn't just give all there data way for free.
They publish more then the top 10... (The next 15 add up in the Wii's favor) (Matt wasn't the only one to say this)
That may be true but where are those top 20 games? I can't see it. Most places only have the top ten selling games for Dec. Also, the X360 has the highest number among the top 10? Are you saying that somehow.......... out of the blue....... the Wii managed to have more games that sold better than the X360 in the top 20? That seems unlikely. If someone can provide a link to this Data (because we all know Matt isn't going to do it).
that data cost thousands of dollars...
That may be true but where are those top 20 games? I can't see it. Most places only have the top ten selling games for Dec. Also, the X360 has the highest number among the top 10? Are you saying that somehow.......... out of the blue....... the Wii managed to have more games that sold better than the X360 in the top 20? That seems unlikely. If someone can provide a link to this Data (because we all know Matt isn't going to do it).
that data cost thousands of dollars...
My point is, Matt isn't credible since he is the biggest Nintendo fanboy. If he substantiated the data, it would make more sense since many people are interested. Anybody can claim anything. Its what on paper that counts. And in this case, we don't have the data hence, we can't take this statement on face value.
Please Log In to post.
Log in to comment