Nvidia says Next-gen consoles will be the last and swallowed by Cloud gaming

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#1 NoodleFighter
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http://www.computerandvideogames.com/369711/next-gen-consoles-will-be-the-last-nvidia/

ohhh snap PC GAMING AND CLOUD GAMING ARE GONNA GANG UP ON CONSOLES GOOD THING SONY BOUGHT GAIKA!!!!

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#2 General_X
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As long as data caps are still a thing in major parts of the world I highly doubt Cloud Gaming will catch on.
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#3 mariokart64fan
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lol nvidia , that is funny because onlive just gone through financial troubles of some sort , so id like to know where you come up with that analagy

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#4 SaltyMeatballs
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Streaming Zelda lol, no.

I am not against cloud gaming though.

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#5 GreenGoblin2099
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Not gonna happen next gen, I know better than Nvidia.

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#6 NoodleFighter
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lol nvidia , that is funny because onlive just gone through financial troubles of some sort , so id like to know where you come up with that analagy

mariokart64fan

Doesn't really bother them that much seeing as how they're buddies with Gaikai which was just bought by Sony, I think AMD was the one that partnered and supplied Onlive

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#7 PhazonBlazer
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To be honest I don't like cloud gaming. Imagine a kid waking up on Christmas morning and their parents bought them a new video game

"Merry Christmas son! We got you a new game, we already downloaded it onto your virtual account. We couldn't wrap it but it's on there.So...enjoy it."

There's nothing quite like opening a new game box.

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#8 1PMrFister
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Not as long as Nintendo continues to exist.
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#9 sandbox3d
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Well I hope you guys bash the hell out of this, cause I've been saying this for years and getting bashed for it. :P

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#10 EliteM0nk3y
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As General_X pointed out, caps are a big problem for cloud gaming, it can already be pretty hard to stay under when it comes to downloading, imagine streaming, especially when you go for a big marathon. Also, I doubt the current infrastructure in most countries wouldn't be able to handle that many people streaming such big content and for that long. While cloud gaming will definitely come around, we still have a long way to go.
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#11 sandbox3d
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As General_X pointed out, caps are a big problem for cloud gaming, it can already be pretty hard to stay under when it comes to downloading, imagine streaming, especially when you go for a big marathon. Also, I doubt the current infrastructure in most countries wouldn't be able to handle that many people streaming such big content and for that long. While cloud gaming will definitely come around, we still have a long way to go.EliteM0nk3y

I think we could see it around early - mid 20's (sounds so weird saying that).

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#12 DerekLoffin
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There are too many realities between us and a pure cloud gaming system: -network bandwidth caps -network lag -network issues in general -people who simply won't buy into that system The first will improve with time, but networks will still have lag, and still downtime, flaky connections, and pure lack of availability for a LONG time to come. Even PC gaming, which has huge DD inroads still gets a good chunk of its sales via physical media. Just like DD, it is great option, a lousy requirement.
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To be honest I don't like cloud gaming. Imagine a kid waking up on Christmas morning and their parents bought them a new video game

"Merry Christmas son! We got you a new game, we already downloaded it onto your virtual account. We couldn't wrap it but it's on there.So...enjoy it."

There's nothing quite like opening a new game box.

PhazonBlazer

That's a pretty insignificant part of gaming, IMO, even if you do have a point. I wouldn't not take the advantages of cloud gaming over something like that. Anyway, I'm sure they can wrap, say, a DVD box that's cover presentably explains the gift, if they want to.

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To be honest I don't like cloud gaming. Imagine a kid waking up on Christmas morning and their parents bought them a new video game

"Merry Christmas son! We got you a new game, we already downloaded it onto your virtual account. We couldn't wrap it but it's on there.So...enjoy it."

There's nothing quite like opening a new game box.

PhazonBlazer
lol word. or like santa clause left you something on steam....
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#15 HaloPimp978
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Maybe in the future but next gen not going to happen because not everyone has a network to connect to the internet and there are just too many factors for that to be possible right now.

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[QUOTE="PhazonBlazer"]

To be honest I don't like cloud gaming. Imagine a kid waking up on Christmas morning and their parents bought them a new video game

"Merry Christmas son! We got you a new game, we already downloaded it onto your virtual account. We couldn't wrap it but it's on there.So...enjoy it."

There's nothing quite like opening a new game box.

jsmoke03

lol word. or like santa clause left you something on steam....

Yeah they'll be like

"Yeah Jimmy we gave Santa your steam password and he downloaded all the games you wanted onto your account."

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#18 k2theswiss
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when this rich internet company's in America stop playing around. OUR internet will be fast.
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#19 k2theswiss
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lol nvidia , that is funny because onlive just gone through financial troubles of some sort , so id like to know where you come up with that analagy

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they crash and burn because internet sucks ATM for it.
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#20 ocidax
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I think that the 3 next gen consoles are going to use Amd cpus or apus... Ok i get it. Good luck Nvidia
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As long as data caps are still a thing in major parts of the world I highly doubt Cloud Gaming will catch on.General_X
And it's only getting worse, unless Google Fiber magically changes everything.
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[QUOTE="General_X"]As long as data caps are still a thing in major parts of the world I highly doubt Cloud Gaming will catch on.Cherokee_Jack
And it's only getting worse, unless Google Fiber magically changes everything.

time warner and some other isps are planning to put the cloud at the ISP level so that's fairly low ping ~8-10ms

http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/ATT-TWC-Cox-All-Planning-Game-Services-121347

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#23 AgentA-Mi6
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I'm sure it'll happen eventually but not in the next 20 years or so, no chance.
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#24 ronvalencia
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[QUOTE="NoodleFighter"]

[QUOTE="mariokart64fan"]

lol nvidia , that is funny because onlive just gone through financial troubles of some sort , so id like to know where you come up with that analagy

Doesn't really bother them that much seeing as how they're buddies with Gaikai which was just bought by Sony, I think AMD was the one that partnered and supplied Onlive

AMD's cloud gaming partner and investment is CiiNOW MS's cloud gaming partner is Agawi
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#25 deactivated-59d151f079814
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.................. These systems just seem like a excuse for devs and publishers to have the customer by the balls.. They give little in return that can be done with a physical owned game, and we lose more control over our games.. Though I like steam UI and features.. I do not like steam it self because it pretty much controls your titles in which you can have the copy taken from you..
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#26 deactivated-5d78760d7d740
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Hmm...Nvidia seems jealous just because nobody wants their GPU on a console. Oh Nvidia!

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#27 Mozelleple112
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To be honest I don't like cloud gaming. Imagine a kid waking up on Christmas morning and their parents bought them a new video game

"Merry Christmas son! We got you a new game, we already downloaded it onto your virtual account. We couldn't wrap it but it's on there.So...enjoy it."

There's nothing quite like opening a new game box.

PhazonBlazer
You could wrap up $50 in credit money so the kid would wrap it up then download the game of choice for the kid. But you actually made a nice point. I had digital media.. physical all the way!
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#28 Mozelleple112
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[QUOTE="General_X"]As long as data caps are still a thing in major parts of the world I highly doubt Cloud Gaming will catch on.Cherokee_Jack
And it's only getting worse, unless Google Fiber magically changes everything.

Well we've already had the agricultural revolution, the industrial revolution and the digital revolution.. step 4 is ready google :)
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#29 Heil68
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It's definitively in the future, but consoles aren't going anywhere.
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#30 deactivated-57d307c5efcda
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Umm doesnn't nvidia realize that this would actually hurt their business? The only business they would have left would be their Quadro GFX line of cards and the cards being sold to the cloud companies. All the consumer GPUs would go away if cloud gaming took over, and if it does then count me out, I'll replay my old games.

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#31 Cranler
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Everytime a new mmo comes out its a huge fiasco, similar issues would occur with cloud gaming. Imagine COD or Halo on launch day and millions trying to login and play at the same time. P2P multiplayer is already a huge lagfest and would be at least twice as bad with cloud gaming.

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#32 Microsoft1234
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Not against cloud gaming, but i still love owning a physical copy of a game and the booklet.
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#33 TheWalkingGhost
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Are they trolling or just stupid? Who really thinks cloud gaming is going to kill anything? Maybe it 15 to 20 years...But not now or in the next 5 to 10 years.
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[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"]There are too many realities between us and a pure cloud gaming system: -network bandwidth caps -network lag -network issues in general -people who simply won't buy into that system The first will improve with time, but networks will still have lag, and still downtime, flaky connections, and pure lack of availability for a LONG time to come. Even PC gaming, which has huge DD inroads still gets a good chunk of its sales via physical media. Just like DD, it is great option, a lousy requirement.

I don't know about that. Shelf space is just dwindling down to nothing as far as physical copies of pc games go. Everytime I go to Best Buy and their pc gaming section, it seems to get a little smaller. Gamestop, which had huge rows of physical pc games, now has one tiny shelf in the middle of the store where half the advertised copies of games are download only. I tell ya, dd has almost completely taken over the pc gaming scene. Good thing I bought the Spore Galactic Edition when it was out in stores. I love that game, even though a lot of people seem to dislike it terribly.
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[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"][QUOTE="General_X"]As long as data caps are still a thing in major parts of the world I highly doubt Cloud Gaming will catch on.JigglyWiggly_

And it's only getting worse, unless Google Fiber magically changes everything.

time warner and some other isps are planning to put the cloud at the ISP level so that's fairly low ping ~8-10ms

http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/ATT-TWC-Cox-All-Planning-Game-Services-121347

Yeah, and run my AT&T imposed data cap of 150 GB up in a few days. I really don't think so.
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http://www.computerandvideogames.com/369711/next-gen-consoles-will-be-the-last-nvidia/

ohhh snap PC GAMING AND CLOUD GAMING ARE GONNA GANG UP ON CONSOLES GOOD THING SONY BOUGHT GAIKA!!!!

NoodleFighter

you know that cloud gaming will eventually destroy PC gaming too right? With the 100% erradication of all video game piracy, cloud gaming will be just too attractive for ANY dev to not be exclusive to it (since the anti-piracy aspect will only work if it's exclusive)

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#37 Vari3ty
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Uh, yeah Nvidia - how'd OnLive and its maximum of 1,100 concurrent users turn out?

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#38 quickposter
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Correct me if I'm wrong but even if console gaming shrinks down there will still be a market for it wouldn't there? I dare not say how well internet connections will go up over the next 5 years because technology moves fast but some people will never accept cloud gaming and you can't change their minds.

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#39 MSXBOX4EVER
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Hmm...Nvidia seems jealous just because nobody wants their GPU on a console. Oh Nvidia!

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#40 campzor
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As long as data caps are still a thing in major parts of the world I highly doubt Cloud Gaming will catch on.General_X
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#41 AdrianWerner
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Some form of cloud service is propably the future, but not onlive-kind, where all the processing is done off-server and then streamed. That's too inefficent solution for the "we can't afford good hardware" problem. It's also dead-end, as we are going to eventually reach a point where a smartphone will be able to run anything you throw at it, so graphics will just depend on developer, not on your hardware. When we reach this point, it will make onlive-like service completely useless.

But yeah, consoles will die out. I think they have two more gens in them though, not just one

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#42 Nega3
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Lag also has a HUGE part in why it won't happen for at least another 20-30 years.

Places like the south pacific and Oceania (Singapore, Australia, Malaysia) have a HUGE gaming audience but are very far away from where most of the action is happening. So lag makes it literally impossible to play PvP online without an enormous disadvantage.

That's online though, but it still won't happen without putting servers in almost EVERY country.

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I just can't see cloud gaming being viable for many years yet. It will be ruined by low bandwidth speeds and horrible lag to the point where it is unplayable.
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#44 Kinthalis
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I just can't see cloud gaming being viable for many years yet. It will be ruined by low bandwidth speeds and horrible lag to the point where it is unplayable.OhJayDubya

People keep saying the same thing:

It won't happen for many years!

I agree, but just how many years are "many" years, exactly? Nvidia says next gen will be the last. Given that next gen will likely not kick off for another year or year and a half, given that next gen is predicted ot last even longer than this one, we're talking a total of 10-12 years from now.

What was the internet situation in 2000 vs what it is now? I was still on dial-up in 2000, and PC games were the only games that had robust online compoenents. Consoles were still stuck off-line.

Fast forward to now, and the majority of the country is on broadband. Everyone is online because facebook. Almost all console and PC games contain online components, and many games and consoles RELY on an internet connection to be updated and funciton properly. Hell, almost no one I knew had a cellphone, and now everyone I know not only has a cell phone, but they all smartphones with onbline capabilities and angry birds.

Do you really think in 12 years things won't significantly change?

I bet you guys $20 that it does.

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#45 AmnesiaHaze
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nvidia is just mad that console gamers dont care about their products , as long as there is demand for consoles with physical games then they will be produced and sold , even vinyl records are still being pressed and sold because there is still certain demand even in todays mp3-download age

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#46 deactivated-57ad0e5285d73
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Cloud gaming will only make videogames a more niche market. Without the visualization in retail, games going on sale from x and y vendors, people will eventually forget about videogames. With everything at the tip of your fingers, that sense, of "I need to run out and get this" is completely gone. And, the culture behind the games would eventually dwindle. A lot of people are older here, or not as young as when they first started gaming, and the fact of the matter is that as young ones there is an attachment to the physicality of a hobby. There's that unspoken feeling of having a console, seeing each and every new design, being attracted to the colors, and witnessing an evolution unfold. Now, all that eventually fades and games become games, but the continued interesest generally lies in the former.
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Ill keep supporting consoles as long as they exist.

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#48 KiZZo1
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Why would you stream, when in the future smartphones will be powerful enough to run games locally? Doesn't make sense to me.

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#49 ronvalencia
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[QUOTE="NoodleFighter"]

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/369711/next-gen-consoles-will-be-the-last-nvidia/

ohhh snap PC GAMING AND CLOUD GAMING ARE GONNA GANG UP ON CONSOLES GOOD THING SONY BOUGHT GAIKA!!!!

GunSmith1_basic

you know that cloud gaming will eventually destroy PC gaming too right? With the 100% erradication of all video game piracy, cloud gaming will be just too attractive for ANY dev to not be exclusive to it (since the anti-piracy aspect will only work if it's exclusive)

Most cloud servers are X86 based PCs.
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#50 ronvalencia
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[QUOTE="NoodleFighter"]

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/369711/next-gen-consoles-will-be-the-last-nvidia/

ohhh snap PC GAMING AND CLOUD GAMING ARE GONNA GANG UP ON CONSOLES GOOD THING SONY BOUGHT GAIKA!!!!

GunSmith1_basic

you know that cloud gaming will eventually destroy PC gaming too right? With the 100% erradication of all video game piracy, cloud gaming will be just too attractive for ANY dev to not be exclusive to it (since the anti-piracy aspect will only work if it's exclusive)

Intel Haswell GT3 will destroy NVIDIA's mid range i.e. Intel Haswell GT3 was shown to play Skyrim @1080p and high details, while AMD catches up with Steamroller (with double the decoder units).

NVIDIA only has about 15 percent of the PC GPU/IGP market and zero for next gen consoles.

Qualcomm has a home run with Snapdragon S4 Pro (Adreno 320 is based on AMD Xenos IP).