Oblivion with guns!!!

Ok so I watched those two new vids on Fallout 3. Pretty clear now that this game will ruin the Fallout franchise. I have a million and one complaints I could write about of what I saw, but I won't. I love how the game is completely gray and very choppy.. :roll:

What do you guys think?

Boohoo. Things change, don't be afraid of it. It looks like a great game, so stop whining.MADVLAD123

Explain why it looks like a great game. I saw a horrible looking FPS game from those vids.

[QUOTE="MADVLAD123"]Boohoo. Things change, don't be afraid of it. It looks like a great game, so stop whining.xsubtownerx

Explain why it looks like a great game. I saw a horrible looking FPS game from those vids.

I don't have to explain. You started this thread and discussion. You're the one that's supposed to be raising points of defence and other counter-attacks.

So what you do now is say why you think it looks horrible. Then I will argue on what you said. So far you've made no points in this arguement.

[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"]

[QUOTE="MADVLAD123"]Boohoo. Things change, don't be afraid of it. It looks like a great game, so stop whining.MADVLAD123

Explain why it looks like a great game. I saw a horrible looking FPS game from those vids.

I don't have to explain. You started this thread and discussion. You're the one that's supposed to be raising points of defence and other counter-attacks.

So what you do now is say why you think it looks horrible. Then I will argue on what you said. So far you've made no points in this arguement.

The game looks gray and choppy. The animation looks sub-par for a first person shooter, and that's the kicker. This is supposed to be an RPG. And why was the guy able to hold so many weapons? Just like a shooter.. even though this is supposed to be an RPG. And why was he able to switch up weapons so easily? In the real Fallouts, you'd take some good damage if you did that.

..I could go on you know.

I like how all 100 of the fallout fans are coming out of the woodwork to hate on fallout 3. Get over it.jack_russel

[QUOTE="jack_russel"]I like how all 100 of the fallout fans are coming out of the woodwork to hate on fallout 3. Get over it.foxhound_fox

Exactly, just like Tactics.

But NO! "Let's ruin the franchise just like what we did with the Elder scrolls. "

[QUOTE="MADVLAD123"][QUOTE="xsubtownerx"]

[QUOTE="MADVLAD123"]Boohoo. Things change, don't be afraid of it. It looks like a great game, so stop whining.xsubtownerx

Explain why it looks like a great game. I saw a horrible looking FPS game from those vids.

I don't have to explain. You started this thread and discussion. You're the one that's supposed to be raising points of defence and other counter-attacks.

So what you do now is say why you think it looks horrible. Then I will argue on what you said. So far you've made no points in this arguement.

The game looks gray and choppy. The animation looks sub-par for a first person shooter, and that's the kicker. This is supposed to be an RPG. And why was the guy able to hold so many weapons? Just like a shooter.. even though this is supposed to be an RPG. And why was he able to switch up weapons so easily? In the real Fallouts, you'd take some good damage if you did that.

..I could go on you know.

Then go on. I want to argue all of your nit-picky and insignificant arguements.

1. Gray? It's a post-apocalyptic world. Butterflies and Rainbows wouldn't really fit in in that sort of world. Not to mention in the screenshots for when the character is in the vaults, you see plenty of color.

2. Choppy? The framerate was fine, and if you wanted amazingly perfect framerate give it some time...the game hasn't gone gold yet. They can still work that out.

3. "And why was the guy able to hold so many weapons? Just like a shooter.. even though this is supposed to be an RPG." Uuum...you ever play an RPG. The friggen characters always hold insane amounts of stuff. I'm pretty sure in shooters they have less weapons on hand than in RPGs.

4a: Maybe he had hotkeys like in Oblivion, you can switch weapons easily....and why should easy switching be a porblem. That makes it much easier and funner for the gamer.

4b: "In the real Fallouts..bla bla" Like I said before, quit whining. Things change, and you can't stop it. Not to mention games NEED to change in order to stay fresh and fun. If we kept getting the same fallouts over and over people would get bored.

SO like I sad: Keep going.

Boohoo. Things change, don't be afraid of it. It looks like a great game, so stop whining.MADVLAD123

[QUOTE="MADVLAD123"]Boohoo. Things change, don't be afraid of it. It looks like a great game, so stop whining.Ragashahs

If I still get quality gameplay in the end, the same storyline, and I have lots of fun with it like before, I would not mind.

It's like Resident Evil 4 when people complained that it was changing the series. Guess what, Resident Evil 4 brought the series back into the spotlight and it made it fun again. Sometimes drastic changes are better for a series in order to expand it/ make it better. And if it works as well as it did for Resident Evil 4, people should not be complaining about FAllout 3.

...what? ugh there is too much fps in my RPG, waiter please take it back.

Of course I cant say the game is going to suck outright, after such a short demo, but it was a bit of a dissapointment in a few ways. For a game combat focused the combat doesent look great. It looks just as akward as oblvions *hack hack hack* with a sword.

Bah at least Deus Ex did it right in 2001.

[QUOTE="Ragashahs"][QUOTE="MADVLAD123"]Boohoo. Things change, don't be afraid of it. It looks like a great game, so stop whining.MADVLAD123

If I still get quality gameplay in the end, the same storyline, and I have lots of fun with it like before, I would not mind.

It's like Resident Evil 4 when people complained that it was changing the series. Guess what, Resident Evil 4 brought the series back into the spotlight and it made it fun again. Sometimes drastic changes are better for a series in order to expand it/ make it better. And if it works as well as it did for Resident Evil 4, people should not be complaining about FAllout 3.

4b: "In the real Fallouts..bla bla" Like I said before, quit whining. Things change, and you can't stop it. Not to mention games NEED to change in order to stay fresh and fun. If we kept getting the same fallouts over and over people would get bored.

MADVLAD123

One of the worst excuses ever.

Because making one of the best RPG series ever into a combat focused open world shooter with 'arrr peee geee' elements its a perfect example of 'why change is great'.

Of course the game HAS to be soooo much better with the THREEEDEEE GRAPPHHIX and MOAR SHOOTING.

If I still get quality gameplay in the end, the same storyline, and I have lots of fun with it like before, I would not mind.

It's like Resident Evil 4 when people complained that it was changing the series. Guess what, Resident Evil 4 brought the series back into the spotlight and it made it fun again. Sometimes drastic changes are better for a series in order to expand it/ make it better. And if it works as well as it did for Resident Evil 4, people should not be complaining about FAllout 3.

MADVLAD123

[QUOTE="MADVLAD123"]If I still get quality gameplay in the end, the same storyline, and I have lots of fun with it like before, I would not mind.

It's like Resident Evil 4 when people complained that it was changing the series. Guess what, Resident Evil 4 brought the series back into the spotlight and it made it fun again. Sometimes drastic changes are better for a series in order to expand it/ make it better. And if it works as well as it did for Resident Evil 4, people should not be complaining about FAllout 3.

foxhound_fox

That's a matter of opinion. I found that I had to "survive" a lot throughout the game since I had to manage my ammo and was attacked on all fronts all the time. And I also found that the game had a lot of scary moments in it like: the knight room, Salzar's bodyguard in the sewers, IT, and many things things.

I got all the "survival horror" out of RE4 that I needed, and I think it was on par with the amount of "survival horror" in the original Resident Evils.

Also my other point was that these revamps bring the games back into the spotlight... If Capcom kept doing the same game over and over just to please those hardcore fans, there would be no evolution in the games and they also would not be appealing to more audiences, which all companies try to do (rememeber that thing called money?).

[QUOTE="MADVLAD123"]

4b: "In the real Fallouts..bla bla" Like I said before, quit whining. Things change, and you can't stop it. Not to mention games NEED to change in order to stay fresh and fun. If we kept getting the same fallouts over and over people would get bored.

skrat_01

One of the worst excuses ever.

Because making one of the best RPG series ever into a combat focused open world shooter with 'arrr peee geee' elements its a perfect example of 'why change is great'.

Of course the game HAS to be soooo much better with the THREEEDEEE GRAPPHHIX and MOAR SHOOTING.

1. Not one of the worst excuses ever...it's just the way things work. All things change, and you can't keep complaing about it. And why do I need an excuse all of a sudden for saying Fallout 3 will be great?

2. Like I said before, people didn't appreciate RE4's change either...but it turned out amazing. CHANGE sometimes= good. So the lesson is, don't complain about it until you actually play it.

I hope you guys can forgive me for saying this but the whole Oblivion with guns thing pretty much sells it to me. Sorry.Riverwolf007

bad game + guns = must buy? Sounds like a stupid formula.

That's a matter of opinion. I found that I had to "survive" a lot throughout the game since I had to manage my ammo and was attacked on all fronts all the time. And I also found that the game had a lot of scary moments in it like: the knight room, Salzar's bodyguard in the sewers, IT, and many things things.

I got all the "survival horror" out of RE4 that I needed, and I think it was on par with the amount of "survival horror" in the original Resident Evils.

Also my other point was that these revamps bring the games back into the spotlight... If Capcom kept doing the same game over and over just to please those hardcore fans, there would be no evolution in the games and they also would not be appealing to more audiences, which all companies try to do (rememeber that thing called money?).

MADVLAD123

1. Not one of the worst excuses ever...it's just the way things work. All things change, and you can't keep complaing about it. And why do I need an excuse all of a sudden for saying Fallout 3 will be great?

2. Like I said before, people didn't appreciate RE4's change either...but it turned out amazing. CHANGE sometimes= good. So the lesson is, don't complain about it until you actually play it.

MADVLAD123

2. Yes Resident Evils design changed into more action orientated than a cinematic survival horror, however it was still fundementally a survival horror game. It had the cinematic action of the others, and the horror elements were rather being overwhelmed by smarter 'zombies', and changing situations, rather than an akward control shceme in very confined spaces.(however this did fall apart towards the end and in areas admittedly - you became a walking tank)

Change is not automatically good, nor is it automatically for the best.

Fallout 3s change completely obliterates the fundementals it was built apon. As the video clearly showed, it is the shooting and gore that Beth wanted to impress the audience with the most.... which says alot about their main audience they are targeting and the change in game design. The Fallout series alowed you to completely make your own adventure, and the freedom to do build up a character and do anything, without such design restrictions. Fallout 3 from the previews and that trailer has a much bigger emphesis on 'killing stuff', and on that note, it doesent even do that very well. I dont see why they didnt have a turn based, or slowed down realtime isometric combat, consistantly, rather than the crummy first person shooting, which looks poor next to any fps.

There are some elements that would have to change for such a sequal, yes, however it was unessesary to change the games whole freaking design, that had earnt it such a high position as one of the greatest games ever mande.

Because when somthing is soo good, and still stands heads and shoulders above everything else over a decade later, the right thing to do is to completely change the sucessful formula and make the game into somthing that lacks anything that made its highly acclaimed predacessors so sucessful?

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]I hope you guys can forgive me for saying this but the whole Oblivion with guns thing pretty much sells it to me. Sorry.jeffwulf

bad game + guns = must buy? Sounds like a stupid formula.

i'd get it if 1) I had the money 2) I had a 360 3) I already had all the better games on the 360

I can't argue with both of you at the same time, unfortunately. But I'll leave you a paraphrase of the last line of the last post (or was it my 2nd last post?).

Don't judge the game until you play it. For all you know, there might be more to the game than just killing (which there obviously will be, as indicated by past previews/interviews with Bethesda).

I don't have to explain. You started this thread and discussion. You're the one that's supposed to be raising points of defence and other counter-attacks.

So what you do now is say why you think it looks horrible. Then I will argue on what you said. So far you've made no points in this arguement.

MADVLAD123

Here's a point: Oblivion With Guns is not a real Fallout game.

[QUOTE="jeffwulf"]

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]I hope you guys can forgive me for saying this but the whole Oblivion with guns thing pretty much sells it to me. Sorry.-Montauk-

bad game + guns = must buy? Sounds like a stupid formula.

I think by bad game, he meant Oblivion

[QUOTE="MADVLAD123"]I don't have to explain. You started this thread and discussion. You're the one that's supposed to be raising points of defence and other counter-attacks.

So what you do now is say why you think it looks horrible. Then I will argue on what you said. So far you've made no points in this arguement.

Pariah_001

Here's a point: Oblivion With Guns is not a real Fallout game.

dude I've argued too much. Read the other posts by me 'fore you start arguing with my 2nd post....I say all I need to say there.

I can't argue with both of you at the same time, unfortunately. But I'll leave you a paraphrase of the last line of the last post (or was it my 2nd last post?).

Don't judge the game until you play it. For all you know, there might be more to the game than just killing (which there obviously will be, as indicated by past previews/interviews with Bethesda).

MADVLAD123

[QUOTE="MADVLAD123"]I can't argue with both of you at the same time, unfortunately. But I'll leave you a paraphrase of the last line of the last post (or was it my 2nd last post?).

Don't judge the game until you play it. For all you know, there might be more to the game than just killing (which there obviously will be, as indicated by past previews/interviews with Bethesda).

foxhound_fox

Explain why it looks like a great game. I saw a horrible looking FPS game from those vids.

xsubtownerx

That's the only thing I was arguing with^^.

Not all of the Fallout fans. Just this guy who thinks it will be bad.

[QUOTE="-Montauk-"][QUOTE="jeffwulf"]

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]I hope you guys can forgive me for saying this but the whole Oblivion with guns thing pretty much sells it to me. Sorry.Juggernaut140

bad game + guns = must buy? Sounds like a stupid formula.

I think by bad game, he meant Oblivion

I can't argue with both of you at the same time, unfortunately. But I'll leave you a paraphrase of the last line of the last post (or was it my 2nd last post?).

Don't judge the game until you play it. For all you know, there might be more to the game than just killing (which there obviously will be, as indicated by past previews/interviews with Bethesda).

MADVLAD123

How else do you or any person judge a game to be released?

If there are indications there, why ignore it.

And yes those are previews with Bethseda who are notorious for self promotion and keeping the hype machine. If evidence from Oblivion wasn't enough, you should read more objective previews, even the NMA ones do their best to separate fact from opinion, comparing it to its predecessors, in previews, rather than glossing over the game.

[QUOTE="jeffwulf"]

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]I hope you guys can forgive me for saying this but the whole Oblivion with guns thing pretty much sells it to me. Sorry.-Montauk-

bad game + guns = must buy? Sounds like a stupid formula.

I have played Oblivion, and it was bad.

It looks alright if you call it a shooter, but considering the games meant to be an rpg...

Its really ripped its roots to pieces from what I've seen, not that it won't be enjoyable I'll still be getting the game.

I'm a fallout fan and think it looks perfect. I tend to think the people hating on it aren't fallout fans and just like to complain. What fallout fan wouldn't think this game looks great?piercetruth34

[QUOTE="piercetruth34"]I'm a fallout fan and think it looks perfect. I tend to think the people hating on it aren't fallout fans and just like to complain. What fallout fan wouldn't think this game looks great?foxhound_fox

It has all the same perks and roleplaying elements of the original. It actually seems like they added a lot and it will be a lot more immersive. What did the originals have that this doesn't from an rpg perspective?

It has all the same perks and roleplaying elements of the original.piercetruth34

No it doesn't. Just because it uses SPECIAL, that doesn't suddenly dispel the fact that it is, above and beyond, a shooter. Character builders play odds; not depend on the player's twitich movements.

It actually seems like they added a lot and it will be a lot more immersive. What did the originals have that this doesn't from an rpg perspective?piercetruth34

How about the fact that you're able to beat the game without even firing a bullet.

Emil made it clear that you have to kill and fire guns in Oblivion with Guns.

oblivion fanbase of 5 million>>>>>>>>>10000 hardcore fallout fans

we dont give a hood about those fallout fans. bethesda made the best decision. and why is it so bad. the game looks amazing and definitly has a big shot at rpg of the year. Oblivion was an amazing game, why make it such a negative thing it plays allot like oblivion?
papi_lekker

It has all the same perks and roleplaying elements of the original. It actually seems like they added a lot and it will be a lot more immersive. What did the originals have that this doesn't from an rpg perspective? piercetruth34