Oh EA, this is cheap..

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#1 dramaybaz
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So now you can buy weapons/unlocks for your kit that you would normally earn by gaining xp/levelling up.

Anyone else feel this is really cheap and sad that the Battlefield series is being treated like this?

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#2 razgriz_101
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they have been doing this for years, but because its battlefield 3 its somehow more relevant than it was originally?

people pay for it, this will keep happening, SW is a drop in the gaming ocean.

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#3 tagyhag
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They wouldn't do it if people didn't pay for it.
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#4 NaveedLife
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I dont like it, but whatever. People can pay all the money they want, I will still kick their ass in BF3 :)

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#5 dramaybaz
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they have been doing this for years, but because its battlefield 3 its somehow more relevant than it was originally?

people pay for it, this will keep happening, SW is a drop in the gaming ocean.

razgriz_101
Did previous battlefieds get such treatment?
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#6 Slow_Show
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Not seeing the issue. If the game is remotely balanced being able to buy upgrades shouldn't make up for a lack of skill (and if buying upgrades does make up for a lack of skill, well, the game has bigger issues than teh microtransactions).

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#7 tagyhag
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[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

they have been doing this for years, but because its battlefield 3 its somehow more relevant than it was originally?

people pay for it, this will keep happening, SW is a drop in the gaming ocean.

dramaybaz
Did previous battlefieds get such treatment?

Bad Company 2
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#8 dramaybaz
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Not seeing the issue. If the game is remotely balanced being able to buy upgrades shouldn't make up for a lack of skill (and if buying upgrades does make up for a lack of skill, well, the game has bigger issues than teh microtransactions).

Slow_Show
Unlocks can be better, for example unlocking anti tank mines. This isn't a simple case of game not being balanced. It is just that it takes away the purpose of levelling up or progressing.
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#9 immortality20
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No, not really. If people are dumb enough to take short cuts to buy better weapons with real money, then they should be exploited. It's not hurting a single person who wants to play the game normally.

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#10 Slow_Show
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Unlocks can be better, for example unlocking anti tank mines. This isn't a simple case of game not being balanced. It is just that it takes away the purpose of levelling up or progressing.dramaybaz

Who cares? If people are stupid enough to pay for unlocks that would otherwise be free as the result of simply playing the videogame, more power to them.

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#11 Wasdie  Moderator
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So?

Who cares. The weapons are completely overpriced anyways. If somebody wants to waste their money and not actually unlock anything themselves let them. It's not like the unlocks make a player better.

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#12 Zeviander
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You didn't play BF2 I take it?
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#13 dream431ca
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That's not cheap, that ruins the game. I want to unlock the weapons and all the accessories for them. It's one of the main reasons I play a game like Battlefield 3. Doing this just says "ya, just pay us more money and you can have all weapons unlocked." That won't make said player better at the game. Just like money can't buy you talent, money can't buy you skill (Unless your playing Skyrim) :P

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#14 Philmon
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they have been doing this for years, but because its battlefield 3 its somehow more relevant than it was originally?

people pay for it, this will keep happening, SW is a drop in the gaming ocean.

razgriz_101
To be fair most of those games are FTP games. In my opinion it is kind of hard to justify charging people for weapons after they have spent money buying the game.
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#15 Heil68
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They wouldn't do it if people didn't pay for it.tagyhag
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#16 dramaybaz
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You didn't play BF2 I take it? Zeviander
I did, but I do not recall unlocable weapons being sold for money. There were however some "expansions" and extras.
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#17 dramaybaz
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That's not cheap, that ruins the game. I want to unlock the weapons and all the accessories for them. It's one of the main reasons I play a game like Battlefield 3. Doing this just says "ya, just pay us more money and you can have all weapons unlocked." That won't make said player better at the game. Just like money can't buy you talent, money can't buy you skill (Unless your playing Skyrim) :P

dream431ca
I know right, that is the point I was trying to make. Not about how people will start to "own" me or anything, but just that unlocking is a major part of the game. To me it sounds just as silly as Blizz giving instant level 80 to new comers.
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#18 vashkey
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It doesn;t really effect anything, I don't care. It's the best kind of dlc really, nothing it being taken away from anyone. For those who don;t mind tossing their cash and either don;t have the time or patience to unlock things naturally this is good for them. They don't really get better or an unfair advantage.
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they have been doing this for years, but because its battlefield 3 its somehow more relevant than it was originally?

razgriz_101

I think you know the answer is an astounding yes.

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#20 Zeviander
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I did, but I do not recall unlocable weapons being sold for money. There were however some "expansions" and extras.dramaybaz
Those expansions, for whomever bought them, unlocked weapons for their use in games that contained people who do not have access to them. And I distinctly remember them being pretty powerful compared to the stock counterparts.
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#21 nismo8000
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Not seeing the issue. If the game is remotely balanced being able to buy upgrades shouldn't make up for a lack of skill (and if buying upgrades does make up for a lack of skill, well, the game has bigger issues than teh microtransactions).

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From my short time with bfbc2 and bf3 beta I can tell you whole heartedly that bf3 is nowhere e ven close to balanced. Especially if someone has their vehicle lvl maxed. The guns are also crazy imbalanced. Ump 45 beats everything regardless of range. .308 vs ump at 300 yards? Ump
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#22 nismo8000
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Just to clarify I mean there is imbalance between low level and high level. The actual end game might be alright I don't know I got bored at around level 28
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#23 wis3boi
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Unlocked weapons a better player does not make. I regularly kick ass with the default guns because I like their feel most of the time.

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#24 wis3boi
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[QUOTE="Slow_Show"]

Not seeing the issue. If the game is remotely balanced being able to buy upgrades shouldn't make up for a lack of skill (and if buying upgrades does make up for a lack of skill, well, the game has bigger issues than teh microtransactions).

nismo8000

From my short time with bfbc2 and bf3 beta I can tell you whole heartedly that bf3 is nowhere e ven close to balanced. Especially if someone has their vehicle lvl maxed. The guns are also crazy imbalanced. Ump 45 beats everything regardless of range. .308 vs ump at 300 yards? Ump

If you only played the BF3 beta, then that point is moot because by release, nothing was remotely the same in terms of weapons....and that was months ago, they've since patched weapons a million times to fine tweak everything. No weapons are overpowered, a level 1 can beat the sh!t out of a level 75 any day of the week.

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#25 BPoole96
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Nothing new. Bad Company 2 had this as well

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#26 campzor
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if people want to pay, let them pay
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#27 lamprey263
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other publishers and devs have done this already
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#28 razgriz_101
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[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

they have been doing this for years, but because its battlefield 3 its somehow more relevant than it was originally?

people pay for it, this will keep happening, SW is a drop in the gaming ocean.

Philmon

To be fair most of those games are FTP games. In my opinion it is kind of hard to justify charging people for weapons after they have spent money buying the game.

The various Tiger woods games,Need For Spped and Bad company 2 all had this....its basically a paid for cheat.

Heroes was always going to be microtransaction based from day 1.

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#29 deactivated-61cc564148ef4
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That just kills the game for them. Ranking up is like half the fun in games these days

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#30 DemoPan7
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EA has done WAAAAY worse things than this
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#31 Pug-Nasty
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What is worse, people buying kit shortcuts when ranking up is a chore or EA renting servers (the same dial up servers they've always used) which just means they take the server they have up for free and let you customize it? Anyone else notice a ridiculous lack or Dice servers since they started renting them out? I predict CoD will finally get dial up dedis now that Activision sees how much money there is to be made off them.
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#32 Master_ShakeXXX
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I'm one of the greatest BF3 players of all time. I need no such crutch.

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#33 MLBknights58
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Sad that a video game is being "treated like this?" Rofl not at all. Don't buy it. WHOAAAA
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#34 SaltyMeatballs
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No it's not cheap,. The price is ridiculous, but let's say you started playing BF3 now, why should someone have better gear than you simply because they've been playing for longer? The unlock system in BF3 is crap and slow, people need to realise this.

New players are already at a disadvantage due to limited map knowledge.

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#35 garrett_daniels
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I don't have a problem with offering paid shortcuts as long as there is a non-paid way of getting there. There will always be players who are willing to pay to skip ahead (hence the popularity of buying gold for MMORPGs); offering an official way of doing so means their money goes to the publisher rather than some third party.

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#36 cain006
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Because not allowing new players to have access to all the content that others have is better?

Unlocking systems are stupid and unfair.

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#37 SPYDER0416
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they have been doing this for years, but because its battlefield 3 its somehow more relevant than it was originally?

people pay for it, this will keep happening, SW is a drop in the gaming ocean.

razgriz_101

Pretty much this. They did this with the Bad Company games, as well as the Skate games and Burnout: Paradise. They just want to make a quick buck, and if someone wants to deprive themselves of the satisfaction of earning them they can do that, I don't care. Battlefield 3's guns are balanced enough that it won't give anyone an advantage, just another option (except for maybe some of the jet and chopper upgrades you get later on).

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#38 Ninja-Hippo
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Wow, $7 for some weapons already in the game in the first place? :?
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#39 metal_zombie
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the game is so posed to be balanced anyways so even if you have all the gear it should still be some what of a fair fight don't see a problem with this.
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#40 jer_1
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$40 To unlock all the kits (content you could unlock through normal play) in this game?! You have to be ****ing stroking me.