Ok, I can't take it anymore...

So many people bashing the Natal without knowing anything about it at all.

1. "It can only be used for party games and jumping around. It has no buttons!!!" It's just a camera people, you don't need your hands to use it. This leaves them free for a controller...be it the 360 one or a new one.

2. "Eye toy rip-off!!!" The Eye toy is just a camera. All it can do is take your photo. The Natal photo's in 3D, sensing depth. It also has a mic with voice recognition. It's like comparing a Space Ship to a Model-T.

3. "Wiimote is better!!!" I agree that the wiimote will be better supported as it's standard, and M+ will most likely be more supported as well, but last E3 when this was shown (was called the z-cam then) IGN's Wii team (Matt and Bozon) played with the camera and said it blew the wiimote out of the water and said that Nintendo would be crazy not to jump on this ASAP.

4. "Only lemmings are defending this after making fun of the wiimote and sixaxis for so long!!!" I'm not a lemming. I don't own a 360. I never will. I don't like shooters. I only own a wii, and the Natal is very impressive.

Just let the trolls be, your doing more harm then good. Also eye toy does more then take your picture, dont lower your standards to the people making fun of 360s new camera by acting like you know something when you dont.

I'm not a lemming. I don't own a 360. I never will. I don't like shooters. I only own a wii, and the Natal is very impressive.

goblaa

News flash! The 360 doesn't just have shooters!

But I don't see what you can do with it if your holding the controller with both of your hands.OreoMilkshake

They'd prolly need a new controller that's one handed. Or, just hold a 360 controller with one hand. Full motion capture with an analog stick and two buttons has nearly endless implications.

well TC i don't think that #2 is correct. I'm not going to dwell on it though, because the eyetoy is total trash that must be abandonned immediately. It is pretty much useless.

Hopefully this new camera thing is good, but realistically, it is probably not that big an upgrade over the eyetoy in that it will inherit at least a few of the eyetoy's many deal killing shortcomings.

So many people bashing the Natal without knowing anything about it at all.

1. "It can only be used for party games and jumping around. It has no buttons!!!" It's just a camera people, you don't need your hands to use it. This leaves them free for a controller...be it the 360 one or a new one.

2. "Eye toy rip-off!!!" The Eye toy is just a camera. All it can do is take your photo. The Natal photo's in 3D, sensing depth. It also has a mic with voice recognition. It's like comparing a Space Ship to a Model-T.

3. "Wiimote is better!!!" I agree that the wiimote will be better supported as it's standard, and M+ will most likely be more supported as well, but last E3 when this was shown (was called the z-cam then) IGN's Wii team (Matt and Bozon) played with the camera and said it blew the wiimote out of the water and said that Nintendo would be crazy not to jump on this ASAP.

4. "Only lemmings are defending this after making fun of the wiimote and sixaxis for so long!!!" I'm not a lemming. I don't own a 360. I never will. I don't like shooters. I only own a wii, and the Natal is very impressive.

goblaa

still looks lame to me.

i like controllers. cameras are a lame gimmick to me.

[QUOTE="goblaa"]

So many people bashing the Natal without knowing anything about it at all.

1. "It can only be used for party games and jumping around. It has no buttons!!!" It's just a camera people, you don't need your hands to use it. This leaves them free for a controller...be it the 360 one or a new one.

2. "Eye toy rip-off!!!" The Eye toy is just a camera. All it can do is take your photo. The Natal photo's in 3D, sensing depth. It also has a mic with voice recognition. It's like comparing a Space Ship to a Model-T.

3. "Wiimote is better!!!" I agree that the wiimote will be better supported as it's standard, and M+ will most likely be more supported as well, but last E3 when this was shown (was called the z-cam then) IGN's Wii team (Matt and Bozon) played with the camera and said it blew the wiimote out of the water and said that Nintendo would be crazy not to jump on this ASAP.

4. "Only lemmings are defending this after making fun of the wiimote and sixaxis for so long!!!" I'm not a lemming. I don't own a 360. I never will. I don't like shooters. I only own a wii, and the Natal is very impressive.

metalisticpain

That's certainly the focus...but that doesn't mean we won't see some cooler games that use both camera and controls. (use an analog stick to move, move your head around to look, point at screen to aim, shoulder button shoots.)

Uh TC, the voice recognition was done with a headset.

Uh TC, the voice recognition was done with a headset.

PSdual_wielder

Link?

So many people bashing the Natal without knowing anything about it at all.

1. "It can only be used for party games and jumping around. It has no buttons!!!" It's just a camera people, you don't need your hands to use it. This leaves them free for a controller...be it the 360 one or a new one.

2. "Eye toy rip-off!!!" The Eye toy is just a camera. All it can do is take your photo. The Natal photo's in 3D, sensing depth. It also has a mic with voice recognition. It's like comparing a Space Ship to a Model-T.

3. "Wiimote is better!!!" I agree that the wiimote will be better supported as it's standard, and M+ will most likely be more supported as well, but last E3 when this was shown (was called the z-cam then) IGN's Wii team (Matt and Bozon) played with the camera and said it blew the wiimote out of the water and said that Nintendo would be crazy not to jump on this ASAP.

4. "Only lemmings are defending this after making fun of the wiimote and sixaxis for so long!!!" I'm not a lemming. I don't own a 360. I never will. I don't like shooters. I only own a wii, and the Natal is very impressive.

goblaa

It obviously has the potential to phase controllers out. There was no person that said they couldn't assign button functions to gestures.

not that hard.

[QUOTE="metalisticpain"][QUOTE="goblaa"]

So many people bashing the Natal without knowing anything about it at all.

1. "It can only be used for party games and jumping around. It has no buttons!!!" It's just a camera people, you don't need your hands to use it. This leaves them free for a controller...be it the 360 one or a new one.

2. "Eye toy rip-off!!!" The Eye toy is just a camera. All it can do is take your photo. The Natal photo's in 3D, sensing depth. It also has a mic with voice recognition. It's like comparing a Space Ship to a Model-T.

3. "Wiimote is better!!!" I agree that the wiimote will be better supported as it's standard, and M+ will most likely be more supported as well, but last E3 when this was shown (was called the z-cam then) IGN's Wii team (Matt and Bozon) played with the camera and said it blew the wiimote out of the water and said that Nintendo would be crazy not to jump on this ASAP.

4. "Only lemmings are defending this after making fun of the wiimote and sixaxis for so long!!!" I'm not a lemming. I don't own a 360. I never will. I don't like shooters. I only own a wii, and the Natal is very impressive.

That's certainly the focus...but that doesn't mean we won't see some cooler games that use both camera and controls. (use an analog stick to move, move your head around to look, point at screen to aim, shoulder button shoots.)

It obviously has the potential to phase controllers out. There was no person that said they couldn't assign button functions to gestures.

not that hard.

Leejjohno

and that would be horrible for people who prefer precise controls.

still looks lame to me.

i like controllers. cameras are a lame gimmick to me.

[QUOTE="Leejjohno"]

It obviously has the potential to phase controllers out. There was no person that said they couldn't assign button functions to gestures.

not that hard.

finesse-gamer

and that would be horrible for people who prefer precise controls.

Who is to say it wont be precise? We know nearly nothing about it.

[QUOTE="finesse-gamer"]

[QUOTE="Leejjohno"]

It obviously has the potential to phase controllers out. There was no person that said they couldn't assign button functions to gestures.

not that hard.

Leejjohno

and that would be horrible for people who prefer precise controls.

Who is to say it wont be precise? We know nearly nothing about it.

i saw the demo, it wasn't precise. simple as that.

Just let the trolls be, your doing more harm then good. Also eye toy does more then take your picture, dont lower your standards to the people making fun of 360s new camera by acting like you know something when you dont.

Sully28

^ This guy speaks the truth, people who sit around making threads like 'haha 360 is teh suxorz' are obviously puting too much energy into it and needs to take a break from gamspot, take a walk in the park and rethink their lives or something lol

motion capture camera's replacing controllers??L O L there is no way that this will happen. I mean, I can see both existing side by side. For instance, I could see a boxing game or wiisports type thing working with this. Gestures replacing buttons though?? not a chance

[QUOTE="Leejjohno"]

[QUOTE="finesse-gamer"]

and that would be horrible for people who prefer precise controls.

finesse-gamer

Who is to say it wont be precise? We know nearly nothing about it.

i saw the demo, it wasn't precise. simple as that.

In a manner of speaking you are right.

[QUOTE="finesse-gamer"]

[QUOTE="Leejjohno"]

Who is to say it wont be precise? We know nearly nothing about it.

Leejjohno

i saw the demo, it wasn't precise. simple as that.

In a manner of speaking you are right.

you are saying that when it comes out it will be precise enough to play all types of games at a competitive level?

[QUOTE="Leejjohno"]

[QUOTE="finesse-gamer"]

i saw the demo, it wasn't precise. simple as that.

finesse-gamer

In a manner of speaking you are right.

you are saying that when it comes out it will be precise enough to play all types of games at a competitive level?

You are saying that it's not possible?

thanks wii for causing the mass of ripoffs bs casuals targeting. good job. once we have a flood of games that aren't real games don't say we all didn't say anything.

[QUOTE="finesse-gamer"]

[QUOTE="Leejjohno"]

In a manner of speaking you are right.

Leejjohno

you are saying that when it comes out it will be precise enough to play all types of games at a competitive level?

You are saying that it's not possible?

i don't think so. no. the technology isn't there.

think about it. what kind of games is it made for? it's not being made for all types of games, its being made for casual/fitness type games to compete with the wiis casual games.

[QUOTE="Leejjohno"]

[QUOTE="finesse-gamer"]

you are saying that when it comes out it will be precise enough to play all types of games at a competitive level?

finesse-gamer

You are saying that it's not possible?

i don't think so. no. the technology isn't there.

think about it. what kind of games is it made for? it's not being made for all types of games, its being made for casual/fitness type games to compete with the wiis casual games.

thanks wii for causing the mass of ripoffs bs casuals targeting. good job. once we have a flood of games that aren't real games don't say we all didn't say anything.

shadowfox55

theres always PC and Playstation i guess.

i really don't think this will affect hardcore games on 360 too much either though... MS knows it's audience and they know they would lose alot of gamers to sony if they really backed this new casual gimmick.

if they go the fully casual route, then that will be one less console for me to buy next gen. PC and Playstation has always been my preferred systems and more true core gamers will join that corner if they do this. more core games for me i guess.

[QUOTE="finesse-gamer"]

[QUOTE="Leejjohno"]

You are saying that it's not possible?

heretrix

i don't think so. no. the technology isn't there.

think about it. what kind of games is it made for? it's not being made for all types of games, its being made for casual/fitness type games to compete with the wiis casual games.

i've seen japanese tech demos like that YEARS ago... but now it's a big deal all of a sudden...

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="finesse-gamer"]

i don't think so. no. the technology isn't there.

think about it. what kind of games is it made for? it's not being made for all types of games, its being made for casual/fitness type games to compete with the wiis casual games.

finesse-gamer

i've seen japanese tech demos like that YEARS ago... but now it's a big deal all of a sudden...

link?

yeah thats what I thought.....

after the Sony conference I'm going to come here and say "oh i saw that years ago" about everything...... Jak 4? "oh I saw that years ago"..... Next Sly Cooper "Oh I saw that years ago", etc. etc.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="finesse-gamer"]

i don't think so. no. the technology isn't there.

think about it. what kind of games is it made for? it's not being made for all types of games, its being made for casual/fitness type games to compete with the wiis casual games.

finesse-gamer

i've seen japanese tech demos like that YEARS ago... but now it's a big deal all of a sudden...

Although i think its use at the moment is gimmicky, with party games, i think the technology is very impressive. Its the start of what i think will be the future of gaming. I envision having fps games that run through a system similar to this. Where you can move in any direction and the player moves with you. The technology is at that point but you have to start somewhere.

It obviously has the potential to phase controllers out. There was no person that said they couldn't assign button functions to gestures.

not that hard.

Leejjohno

[QUOTE="Leejjohno"]

It obviously has the potential to phase controllers out. There was no person that said they couldn't assign button functions to gestures.

not that hard.

The_Brodeo

lol, you are bashing microsoft in every thread i go!

The EyeToy was for the PS2...(it can be used for the PS3 though)...

anyway I'm guessing you were talking about the PSeye that was release for the PS3...

you are wrong on a couple of things....It doesn't just take pictures...in fact it is one of the most advanced Webcams out for its price....that is why alot of non PS3 owners have been trying to get some USB drivers for it to work widows Windows.....Also it has a microphone built in and a pretty advance one at that.

here are a couple of things the PSeye can do that are similar to what MS showed today....expect Sony was showing this back in 2007.

here is the Eye Pet Trailer as well as real time footage of what also can be done with the PSeye.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPENA1Bpm68

This shows video shows alot of similar things MS showed today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwwbkzEACws&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNRfyQeFWSs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBA1uWSDYjk&feature=related