OMG IT'S A SLIDESHOW! (Frame Rate Problems)

Ok, first off, I own a PS3, Xbox 360 and a higher-end gaming PC, so I'm not here tying to bash anything, just want to try and get some answers (if you're going to play fanboy, please use another discussion). I'm dropping this post in System Wars as it is the only forum that it probably won't be moderated in.

Just to cover some ground as to what my problem is, I've owned an Xbox 360 for nearly 2 years now and it's been great, and I've had an enjoyable time with just about all the games I've played on it. Recently with the death of HD-DVD and the Playstation 3 lineup finally starting to look good in 2008 I purchased a PS3. I have noticed that the exclusives I have for my Xbox 360, Halo 3, Mass Effect and Saints Row namely, have had terrible frame rates and are pretty crippling at times. As I stated earlier I have a PC that is in great shape to be running the current generation of games (Crysis and beyond), so I'm used to high (50+ FPS) in everything and anything below 30ish FPS really starts to irk me so when a game drops to less than 20 and starts to lose frames I consider it to be pretty bad.

On the other hand, the exclusives I have for my PS3, which aren't many, seem to have an overall higher frame rate (or at least more stable). Uncharted is the game that really come to mind for me since it's probably the best looking game I've seen on a console, just my opinion, but runs better than some of the uglier games that I have on the 360 (Halo 3 comes to mind). So I started to wonder if the same was true for multi-platform realeases as well.

So the real question I'm posing is: Am I better off buying my multi-platform games for my new Playstation 3 or will I not notice a difference between the PS3 version and the Xbox 360 version?

At this point I have about one year of warranty left on my 360 and the same goes for my PS3, so that's a non-issue for me and I really don't have a preference on the controller since they're both basically the same now (bought a dual-shock 3 so I shouldn't be missing any rumbling). Xbox Live may be a factor at some point for certain games, but not really too concerned about multi-player.

And another question just popped in my head while typing this: Are console gamers used to bad frame rates? Up until I purchased my 360 I hadn't owned any gaming consoles since my PS1 and I can't find any reviews for any games that say the game has bad frame rates unless they're just absolutely sickeningly bad.

Again, not trying to bash, just trying to figure out what console I would get the better experience on for multi-platform console-only games. Probably not too many who can answer my question so if you don't have any basis for response beyond personal opinion, please find another thread, would rather not have to wade through 5 pages of trolling posts to find someone who can answer my question. Thanks ahead-of-time for any helpful responses.

Consoles generally have bad frame rates COMPARED to PC. Mostly because of the content being loaded from disk drive rather than hard disk, in a lot of cases. Consoles also have less RAM (if that should affect it), and developers have a standard of hardware to work from, so they generally try to make a game as good looking as possible with only just acceptable frame rates (an example is how GTA was something like 20 fps and below, but the blur made it less noticable, and for the most part it was consistent).

There are many reasons, but the ones I said are just educated guesses.

I'm dropping this post in System Wars as it is the only forum that it probably won't be moderated in.

leejohnson7

ah, SW is like the us armys containment policy...keep all the problems in one place.

On average, with 360 multiplats you can expect a better framerate than their PS3 counterparts. It's primarily a product of bad coding or developers simply getting a handle with the hardware. The junk's there, all you've got to do is LEARN how to tap into it and it all flows from there.

The Sony guys were the first to tap into it, so, naturally, they've got the best looking and most fluid games on PS3 right now. The third parties are getting up to speed in greater numbers.

Most recently, titles like Burnout Paradise, Virtua Fighter, Virtua Tennis, Ninja Gaiden Sigma, and Call of Duty 4 have been really sticking to the 60 frames per second idea on modern consoles and did so with more than acceptable visuals....also, you've got Forza 2 with 60 FPS and 360 FPS physics engine simulations....and GT5 Prologue at 60 FPS at 1080p.

So, no. Overall, I don't think there is a huge framerate meltdown, there are just a few games like RB6V2, Splinter Cell, Madden 08 (PS3 for latter two), etc that have been showing up with fairly poor performance.

One example of a game that had poor performance for no justifiable reason was Orange Box on PS3. Ran great on 360, sucked on PS3. EA London admitted it, patched it, now it theoretically works. So, no, it isn't the consoles, it's the coding. Sloppy coding, sloppy results. And, it's harder on PS3. Expect people to screw up now and again.

As far as the visuals....Mass Effect was a bit of a stillbirth in terms of FPS but still looked great. Again, I'm thinking poor coding. UE3 has been having some problems generally on both consoles. Halo 3 runs at a lower framerate and has some pretty piss-poor visuals (I'm sorry, it's unquestionable that Warhawk, Folklore, Resistance look better)....

But most of that is just due to the fact that you're comparing it to some of the phenoms of this generation, I.E. the masterwork visuals of Insomniac Games and Naughty Dog. When Gears 2 releases, we'll be able to do some real performance-visuals comparisons, because I'm afraid Microsoft first-parties are just NOT up to scratch with the kind of stuff the better PS3 first parties have been putting out. It's all about tapping into those SPUs.

As a general rule, PS3 multiplats have a greater framerate than the 360 couterparts.beinss

This is a lie. I own a Playstation 3 and neglect to own an XBox 360. I'm a PC gamer foremost, and I own a 60 gig PS3.

I will immediately admit to System Wars general that they do not have a greater framerate on average than their 360 counterparts....this is not true and has been WELL documented by a myriad of sources and gamers around the world.

If the title is coded improperly for the PS3 or directly ported from the 360, as was the case for about 1 1/2 years now, you're going to get junk multiplats on PS3. As was the case since launch. So watch you're tongue when you're lying so blatantly...

However, if anyone here disagrees that PS3 has superior visuals in their first-party titles, I am shocked, wowed, and amazed. PS3 houses the current-gen console graphics king, Uncharted, and that's that.

True Uncharted is simply amazing

tho i know that Multiplats such as elder scrolls 4 and a many others have many problems im not sure if the xbox versions are better but its at least worth a try (if that game is worth it) as multi-plats suck on the ps3

[QUOTE="beinss"]As a general rule, PS3 multiplats have a greater framerate than the 360 couterparts.BobHipJames

This is a lie. I own a Playstation 3 and neglect to own an XBox 360. I'm a PC gamer foremost, and I own a 60 gig PS3.

I will immediately admit to System Wars general that they do not have a greater framerate on average than their 360 counterparts....this is not true and has been WELL documented by a myriad of sources and gamers around the world.

If the title is coded improperly for the PS3 or directly ported from the 360, as was the case for about 1 1/2 years now, you're going to get junk multiplats on PS3. As was the case since launch. So watch you're tongue when you're lying so blatantly...

However, if anyone here disagrees that PS3 has superior visuals in their first-party titles, I am shocked, wowed, and amazed. PS3 houses the current-gen console graphics king, Uncharted, and that's that.

calm down, while some of this is true it is changing and devs are going with the ps3 first.

As a general rule, PS3 multiplats have a poorer framerate than the 360 counterparts.travt-down

This is true.

Halo 3 seems to run just fine. The only time I've rarely seen it drop is playing two player split screen coop on a huge level with tons of explosions going on.

Mostly it's just crappy programming for the other exclusives you mentioned.

unless its a good company like IW or R* most games right now will look and probaly be slightly better on 360 exclusives for PS3 will always run great for obvious reason but right no most multiplats companies really don't take the time make a good PS3 game however that seems to be changing as time goes on i'm thinking that eventually PS3 version of games will run betterRagashahs

I know how you feel, its hard to play on a console after you get an awesome gaming PC, the frame rate is to low and the controls are so slow and you have very little control.

You got "horrible" framerates on Halo 3? Of all the time I played that game (including 4-player system link co-op) I never saw the framerate drop at all.

Rockclmbr6

Trust me if you play games in 60+ frame rate and go down to 30 its a huge difference, even if there are no frame rate drops, but there is in halo, very little though.

halo bad frame rates! lol thats a thing bungie made would never happen! lier, nice fakeboyness. only game with slowdowns is ME and those are noticable only after a save or turning in an elevator.LibertySaint

lol almost every game i have played on 360 has slowdown, especially dirt, bioshock, ME and lots more, just because you didn't notice them doesn't mean they didn't happen, and for alot of people, 30fps alone is to low.

As a general rule, PS3 multiplats have a poorer framerate than the 360 counterparts.travt-down

That's complete BS. On the top best looking games (only ones that matter anyways) the PS3 version is always a dead equal. There hasn't been a difference since the crappy first gen ports.

halo bad frame rates! lol thats a thing bungie made would never happen! lier, nice fakeboyness. only game with slowdowns is ME and those are noticable only after a save or turning in an elevator.LibertySaint

Amazing how fast the fanboys pounce. Halo 3 didn't stutter or slow down or have a lot of frame-rate drops, but it consistently stayed around 30 FPS, so I counted that as a problem. As far as ME, it ran badly all the time except for in cutscenes, can't count how many times I died in the Mako because of bad frame rates. Perhaps if you actually played something besides a 360 you'd know that my complaints have a foundation.

To the others who actually read my post and returned information that I can use, thank you. Guess I'll stick to the 360 for multi-plats for now.

As a general rule, PS3 multiplats have a poorer framerate than the 360 counterparts.travt-down

Not anymore....specially with most developers trying to focus on both versions.

I know how you feel, its hard to play on a console after you get an awesome gaming PC, the frame rate is to low and the controls are so slow and you have very little control.[QUOTE="Rockclmbr6"]You got "horrible" framerates on Halo 3? Of all the time I played that game (including 4-player system link co-op) I never saw the framerate drop at all.

michael098

Trust me if you play games in 60+ frame rate and go down to 30 its a huge difference, even if there are no frame rate drops, but there is in halo, very little though.

Try playing Crysis at high settings, high resolution and AA/AF on. You aren't going to get 60fps! :lol: Even using the new high end Nvidia card. :lol:

[QUOTE="LibertySaint"]halo bad frame rates! lol thats a thing bungie made would never happen! lier, nice fakeboyness. only game with slowdowns is ME and those are noticable only after a save or turning in an elevator.Crzy1

Amazing how fast the fanboys pounce. Halo 3 didn't stutter or slow down or have a lot of frame-rate drops, but it consistently stayed around 30 FPS, so I counted that as a problem. As far as ME, it ran badly all the time except for in cutscenes, can't count how many times I died in the Mako because of bad frame rates. Perhaps if you actually played something besides a 360 you'd know that my complaints have a foundation.

To the others who actually read my post and returned information that I can use, thank you. Guess I'll stick to the 360 for multi-plats for now.

Wow more fakeboy confessions from a cow claiming to be a manticore. Never seen this before. :roll:

Pretty much every sandbox game has frame rate problems because there is no way the developers can account for how much strain people are going to put on the engine by doing various things. Saints Row would chug but it never made it unplayable and it was never a sideshow.

I agree with ME but bad Halo 3 framerates? Come on. If thats the case then you must be spoilt with high framerates because Halo 3 runs absolutely fine. Gears runs well also.