one more reason to hate microsoft

Immersion - the infamous patent holders for rumble technology - have been forced to pay Microsoft a one-off fee of around USD 20 million as a result of Sony implementing the technology in its DualShock 3 pad.

According to the legal wranglings, Microsoft tied up a deal when designing the 360 controller that included a clause for a USD 15 million payout from Immersion should Sony ever licence the technology for their own use.

they payed to immersion to not put the rumble technology in the playstation, these guys only know to use is unlimited money to destroy the game industry .Is because of this behaviour from microsoft that i try to avoid to buy their products

I sure hope that MS won't do to the gaming industry what they did for the computer industry.

link http://www.psu.com/Immersion-pays-Microsoft-$20-million-News--a0004646-p0.php

Though this resurfaced now, its actually old. The fact that MS was suing Immersion is from last year, when DS3 was released.

There are plenty enough reasons to hate ANY company, but imo, MS is more deserving for their monopolic tendencies, specially in PCs world.

So? MS funded Immersion as an attack dog, and that's smart business. Serves Sony right for their arrogance - they should have settled.

Besides, do you really think "no one knows what a rootkit is, anyway" Sony really has clean hands? Everybody does this sort of thing.

So now MS is the devil for enforcing contracts? PBSnipes

making a contract to put the technology on their controller ok but making a contract with a clause for a USD 15 million payout if Sony ever licence the technology for their own use. Frankly i have never seen nintendo or sony use such strategies

[QUOTE="PBSnipes"]So now MS is the devil for enforcing contracts? dalavos

making a contract to put the technology on their controller ok but making a contract with a clause for a USD 15 million payout if Sony ever licence the technology for their own use. Frankly i have never seen nintendo or sony use such strategies

Who cares?

So now MS is the devil for enforcing contracts? PBSnipes

the non 360 fanboys aren't a big fan of teh microsoft for anything they do.

[QUOTE="PBSnipes"]So now MS is the devil for enforcing contracts? dalavos

making a contract to put the technology on their controller ok but making a contract with a clause for a USD 15 million payout if Sony ever licence the technology for their own use. Frankly i have never seen nintendo or sony use such strategies

Look at all these fanboys defending MS and its monopolistic ways!lettuceman44

People attacking M$ for this are just as bad as ones defending them.

Immersion - the infamous patent holders for rumble technology - have been forced to pay Microsoft a one-off fee of around USD 20 million as a result of Sony implementing the technology in its DualShock 3 pad.

According to the legal wranglings, Microsoft tied up a deal when designing the 360 controller that included a clause for a USD 15 million payout from Immersion should Sony ever licence the technology for their own use.

they payed to immersion to not put the rumble technology in the playstation, these guys only know to use is unlimited money to destroy the game industry .Is because of this behaviour from microsoft that i try to avoid to buy their products

I sure hope that MS won't do to the gaming industry what they did for the computer industry.

link http://www.psu.com/Immersion-pays-Microsoft-$20-million-News--a0004646-p0.php

dalavos

You do know Sony got a cut from that cash, right? I think you should get off the interwebz and find something better to do. ;)

[QUOTE="PBSnipes"]So now MS is the devil for enforcing contracts? dalavos

making a contract to put the technology on their controller ok but making a contract with a clause for a USD 15 million payout if Sony ever licence the technology for their own use. Frankly i have never seen nintendo or sony use such strategies

it is called good business?

Is everyone on this forum completely business incompetent? Honest to god, rule number 1 in business is get ANY advantage you can over your competition. Sony was having a disagreement with Immersion, MS took advantage of it. If Sony had the same chance, they would do the same thing. And if they wouldn't, then they are just arrogant because it basically goes against every business instinct there is.

Sony had the HUGE advantage coming into this gen. Sorry but 120 million userbase >>>>> 20 million. Sony had a very mass market brand name. All they had to do was offer a system comparable to MS and they instantly would have won. So, MS is doing what any business not run by idiots would do.... they are taking every opportunity to reduce that market share advantage that Sony has.

MS isn't evil, they are just doing what they need to do to be successful.

[QUOTE="lettuceman44"]Look at all these fanboys defending MS and its monopolistic ways!-DrRobotnik-

People attacking M$ for this are just as bad as ones defending them.

But something as general as rumble should not be tooken over.

Microsoft is a bad mofo. Two thumbs up Microsoft. Two thumbs up.bphan

[QUOTE="lettuceman44"]Look at all these fanboys defending MS and its monopolistic ways!-DrRobotnik-

People attacking M$ for this are just as bad as ones defending them.

No..

Anyway it looks like MS was trying to block Sony from getting rumble. That's pretty lame of the MS

[QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"]

[QUOTE="lettuceman44"]Look at all these fanboys defending MS and its monopolistic ways!EmperorSupreme

People attacking M$ for this are just as bad as ones defending them.

No..

Anyway it looks like MS was trying to block Sony from getting rumble. That's pretty lame of the MS

Says a massive cow:roll:

[QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"]

[QUOTE="lettuceman44"]Look at all these fanboys defending MS and its monopolistic ways!EmperorSupreme

People attacking M$ for this are just as bad as ones defending them.

No..

Anyway it looks like MS was trying to block Sony from getting rumble. That's pretty lame of the MS

hence why it's a really good move on their part.

Because then Sony will LOVE me!cainetao11

[QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"][QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"]

[QUOTE="lettuceman44"]Look at all these fanboys defending MS and its monopolistic ways!-DrRobotnik-

People attacking M$ for this are just as bad as ones defending them.

No..

Anyway it looks like MS was trying to block Sony from getting rumble. That's pretty lame of the MS

Says a massive cow:roll:

Cow or not trying to block the use of mainstream technology is not something I appreciate as a consumer. And this gen I chose PS3 because it's a better machine, last gen I went Xbox for the same reason.

Good . They made 20 million bucks . They can develop ( or buy) a game for that money, AtrumRegina

I'd use that money to recruit First-Party which Ms is seriously lacking. Now that 3rd party developers are thinking multiplats, Wii and PS3 has their own solid First-parties.

dude...you do know microsoft has been accused of doing things 100 times worse than this??

this is nothing big, they had a contract, immersion broke it..pay up

[QUOTE="lettuceman44"]Look at all these fanboys defending MS and its monopolistic ways!-DrRobotnik-

People attacking M$ for this are just as bad as ones defending them.

It's System Wars not Business Wars

[QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"]

[QUOTE="lettuceman44"]Look at all these fanboys defending MS and its monopolistic ways!lettuceman44

People attacking M$ for this are just as bad as ones defending them.

But something as general as rumble should not be tooken over.

Especially when Microsoft didn't invent it in the first place.

Honestly, the patent system is bs. How is it "good business" to take something that had already been invented, patent as your own (because it wasn't before), and then try to prevent your competetors from doing the same thing?

The system is just asking for the monopolization of technology products.

Sony and nintendo may have pulled **** back in the day, but Microsofts habit of throwing money around this generation doesn't earn my respect at all.

Note: Microsoft did try to prevent sony from using the rumble feature, and there were rumors that there would never be a dualshock ever again because of it. Obviously, Sony came back with the dualshock anyways.

Nothing illegal here and they did sign a contract but damn that was sort of a D**k move on MS' part. Oh well business is business.sparkypants

Business allowed a company called Monsanto that specializes in pesticides and seeds immune to their pesticides to sue farmers for having plants on their land that stemmed from monsanto trucks accidentally spilling the seeds out of their trucks. Monsanto was challenged in the (canadian) legal system and won.

But I guess because its all legal business, its okay?

Just because its business and it works in the legal system doesn't mean its complete BS.

[QUOTE="sparkypants"]Nothing illegal here and they did sign a contract but damn that was sort of a D**k move on MS' part. Oh well business is business.hakanakumono

Business allowed a company called Monsanto that specializes in pesticides and seeds immune to their pesticides to sue farmers for having plants on their land that stemmed from monsanto trucks accidentally spilling the seeds out of their trucks. Monsanto was challenged in the (canadian) legal system and won.

But I guess because its all legal business, its okay?

Just because its business and it works in the legal system doesn't mean its complete BS.

never said it wasnt, Im siding on the fact that its BS but because they didnt do anything illegal the system cant attack MS for abiding by a contract. Sadly nothing can be done and thats life and lifes a b**ch :(

Cow or not trying to block the use of mainstream technology is not something I appreciate as a consumer. And this gen I chose PS3 because it's a better machine, last gen I went Xbox for the same reason.

EmperorSupreme

[QUOTE="PBSnipes"]So now MS is the devil for enforcing contracts? dalavos

making a contract to put the technology on their controller ok but making a contract with a clause for a USD 15 million payout if Sony ever licence the technology for their own use. Frankly i have never seen nintendo or sony use such strategies

Have you ever heard of business? That's what that was.

Immersion agreed to the contract that MS laid out for them when they settled out of court, they didn't have to agree to those terms and Microsoft isn't the bad guy for making them hold up to their end of the bargain.

And hell, this could be a positive. 20 million dollars is more than enough to finance a new IP or two in one of their development houses or it can be used to boost the production values of a game currently in development. If so, this is a win-win for both Microsoft and 360 owners.

[QUOTE="sparkypants"]Nothing illegal here and they did sign a contract but damn that was sort of a D**k move on MS' part. Oh well business is business.hakanakumono

Business allowed a company called Monsanto that specializes in pesticides and seeds immune to their pesticides to sue farmers for having plants on their land that stemmed from monsanto trucks accidentally spilling the seeds out of their trucks. Monsanto was challenged in the (canadian) legal system and won.

But I guess because its all legal business, its okay?

Just because its business and it works in the legal system doesn't mean its complete BS.

Dont like? Dont sign, its Immersions choice...FirstDiscovery

people hes right MS made a deviant move by trying to pull this on sony...but you forget Immersion signed the contract. Immersion could have rejected the deal but they didnt and now this is the result. You cant call MS evil for abiding by the contract...thats not to say however that they are right in doing this. I hate MS' practices they are currput and dirty but completly legal so for now, theres nothing anyone can do but move on