One problem I have with the Wii is everything looks like mush even on HDTVs.

This is why Assassin's Creed wasn't on the Wii. Great draw distances, complex geometry with the buildings, and everything is so sharp. The Wii can't do this but it will copy it next gen anyways because they know gamers love it. This is why I'm happy the Wii isn't the only console out there now, because 100% of the console games would look like MUSH. I shudder to think what a Resident Evil 5 would look like on Wii. When I played Twilight Princess, I had to constantly walk over to something to make sure if I was looking at a bush, rock, or enemy (I'm not exaggerating, it was so blurry and jaggy) This has nothing to do with gameplay, but if we have the technology to give players the best presentation possible, USE IT. Stop hanging behind and using excuses, "Well, I like the artdesign that's all that matters." "Well I like the gameplay, that's all that matters."

And yet in 2010 when the Wii 2 is upgraded to HD and these type of graphics with breathtaking draw distances and buildings with intricately woven detail, the Wii owners would easily lap it up. So basically Xbox 360 and PS3 owners are just ahead of their time and are able to see things earlier that the Wii owners are a little slow to see.

Most of the games are fun enough not to care about the graphics. And the art design in Mario is amazing.

what do you mean "even on HDTVs"?Hewkii

Well I know Wii is designed for Standard Definition TVs (and it doesn't look all that great) but even on HDTVs, the technology made to make things look the best, it still doesn't look good. I understand it's because it's taking a 480p signal and something is lost over the transition to an HDTV, but I honestly don't think it looks good anymore on SDTV either. I usually can find some satisfying in-between but this time I don't like either option. SDTV makes Wii games blurry, but HDTV makes Wii games sharper but the jaggies and imperfections are way more pronounced and kind of annoy a person too. On 360 for example none of this happens. It has a quality standard and it sticks to it, you don't have to think about it or pray for anything. It delivers sharp graphics, even crappy games like Solider of Fortune 3 looks amazing I have to say.

Okay, so the Wii has crap graphics with bad games, what's new?Falcon4AF_Ace

I just want to reinforce my earlier feelings that console hardware still has a place, and I would even argue a more important place than what sheep are giving it credit for. Many of the GOTY contenders this year will be on consoles like Xbox 360 and they would not be the same games at all without the hardware advancements. Bioshock with Wii hardware, or Mass Effect or Assassin's Creed with Wii hardware would be diminished experiences. Period.

I played SMG. Like the classic Mario formula, of course it's fun, it uses the same puzzle/reward system it always had. But I never thought for once it needed the Wii-mote to exist as a game. Collecting starbits was actually annoying after a while. I just wanted to explore at my leisure, not always collect starbits. And the opening cutscene of Mario going to visit Peach for some reason looked very bad. The design of the Mushroom Kingdom, the Toads, and Mario and Peach was preserved and that I liked, but the graphics shown was horribly blurry and I felt like I was watching some prerecorded bootleg video where the quality is far below the master copy. Trouble was, THIS was the actual opening scene meant to ceremoniously trumpet the introduction of this game. I thought of a 2005 game like Kameo and how the opening scenes sort of stuns you and hits you with its unexpected clarity and polish (because we were so used to playing with only 480 res before), and then I think of SMG and how the opening does not really do the same. I thought how cool it would have been to see a Mario game where the visuals are so grand and clear. Some parts do look better, but when Mario is in an open world again, the graphics suffer again. it's like the Big-Small rule, the bigger the world, the uglier the graphics. In order for SMG to look good the world has to shrink

so instead of posting proof games look like mush on hdtvs you post creed shots?

I have an hdtv and i play all my wii games in EDTV settings at widescreen and they look GREAT! its not my fault you have a crappy hdtv.

so instead of posting proof games look like mush on hdtvs you post creed shots?

I have an hdtv and i play all my wii games in EDTV settings at widescreen and they look GREAT! its not my fault you have a crappy hdtv.

WilliamRLBaker

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Wii games look fine on my HDTV. Don't know what's going on with his...

I rank seeing the Wii's graphics (Tony Hawk Downhill Slide) as the single biggest kick in the gaming noots since Sega dropped out of the hardware wars.

I rank seeing the Wii's graphics (Tony Hawk Downhill Slide) as the single biggest kick in the gaming noots since Sega dropped out of the hardware wars.

JiveT

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I rank seeing the Wii's graphics (Tony Hawk Downhill Slide) as the single biggest kick in the gaming noots since Sega dropped out of the hardware wars.

Shinobishyguy

Dude if they had released SNES after the Genesis and it looked like NES you would have been happy right? Of course it is capable of making good games but the graphics for the most part are atrocious.

His threads are just disguised trolling threads.

The Wii looks bad on HDTV because it's not supposed to be HD.

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so instead of posting proof games look like mush on hdtvs you post creed shots?

I have an hdtv and i play all my wii games in EDTV settings at widescreen and they look GREAT! its not my fault you have a crappy hdtv.

GundamGuy0

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Wii games look fine on my HDTV. Don't know what's going on with his...

How can there be something wrong with my HDTV when I point out that my Xbox 360 games on that very same HDTV look absolutely stunning? But on that very same TV, Wii games look very "blah," like I have seen this somewhere before -- the last five years! The problem isn't the TV at all, it's the Wii that's falling behind the visual standards and probably some people's own standards have likewise fallen. There's no need to post Wii shots because even the best-looking Wii game (SMG) is visually inferior to something like this:

This last pic is okay for last generation when we had no choice. But now that we do, Nintendo did not choose to go further in order to think of profits. Vital signs may not be stable after all.

^^^ Looks fine.

[QUOTE="GundamGuy0"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

so instead of posting proof games look like mush on hdtvs you post creed shots?

I have an hdtv and i play all my wii games in EDTV settings at widescreen and they look GREAT! its not my fault you have a crappy hdtv.

PhoebusFlows

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Wii games look fine on my HDTV. Don't know what's going on with his...

How can there be something wrong with my HDTV when I point out that my Xbox 360 games on that very same HDTV look absolutely stunning? But on that very same TV, Wii games look very "blah," like I have seen this somewhere before -- the last five years! The problem isn't the TV at all, it's the Wii that's falling behind the visual standards and probably some people's own standards have likewise fallen. There's no need to post Wii shots because even the best-looking Wii game (SMG) is visually inferior to something like this:

This last pic is okay for last generation when we had no choice. But now that we do, Nintendo did not choose to go further in order to think of profits. Vital signs may not be stable after all.

At leat MP3 runs at a solid 60 FPS. ME can bog down close to a single digit frame rate in combat.

Also, comparing off screen shots to non-offscreen shots is not fair. Off screen shots hide flaws and make thing look better than they actually are.