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#1 NYrockinlegend
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Okay, yes I'm a PS3 owner, and yes, I still like my PS3 and some of its exclusives. But Sony's exclusives can't win the PS3 first place. Sure, the gap between 360 and PS3 sales is closing. But there's more to the market than just sales: PROFIT! This is something Sony has been lacking all generation, and they just keep digging their losses even deeper. Ignore the facts all you want, but the first-party exclusives aren't turning much profit for Sony. Okay, maybe the PS3 will overtake the 360 in sales in 1 or 2 years, but then what? Sony is truly in last place this generation, sales are only part of the equation. Sales mean NOTHING without profits to take in!

That doesn't mean the PS3 is an inferior console; it plays all the great multiplatform games that the 360 can play and it's a handy blu-ray player which is an accepted medium at least for movies(good for you movie-goers) and you can play online for free. Plus, there are some great games you can't get on a 360 although only a few out of the entire generation really stand out to me(LBP, Heavy Rain, Uncharted if you like action/adventure games and can live with linearity). Quality over quantity, and though the PS3 has a good number of exclusives, they don't overwhelm the amount of 360 exclusives available, and only a few of them are real gems. Sony IS at fault for making the system difficult to program for, that's why there are a few inferior multiplatform games(namely Skyrim, but that's mainly Bethesda's fault for their incompetent devs with the tech of all three systems including the PC!).

But the biggest reason for Sony's failure this gen is that they lost most of their marketshare that they had last gen to MS. Sony's exclusive third-party is non-existent now with only a few third-party devs(Insomniac stayed, but theyre moving to multiplat too soon). It's ignorant to credit Sony's success towards the exclusive collection. It doesn't promise Sony any profit. Many of them don't even sell. Okay, so sales /=/ quality. But many of them don't surpass the quality of multiplatform games, so how do they matter? There is also little variety in the exclusive collection of the PS3. Many of them are shooters and action/adventure titles. There are games of a few other genres available and I'll admit LBP is a unique kind of game, but other than that, there isn't much variety in the PS3's exclusive lineup.

I know it's hard for PS fans to take in, but Sony has lost this generation. Because of that, the offerings on the PS3 are inferior to those of the PS2. Think to yourself, do you really enjoy the PS3 more than the PS2? I honestly don't, and while the 360 doesn't necessarily take the PS2's place, Sony's game lineup has diminished compared to that of last gen. Sony may have a better start next gen, but this gen is just about over. Sony has in no way won this generation.

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#2 TH1Sx1SxSPARTA
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i think its fairly obvioous sony lost this gen , but the ps3 is still an awesome console
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#3 eboyishere
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ps3 was confirmed a lost around 2007/8 Too many bad business decisions
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wut

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#5 NYrockinlegend
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i think its fairly obvioous sony lost this gen , but the ps3 is still an awesome consoleTH1Sx1SxSPARTA
It is, but some people still just don't get it. We are still playing these exclusive games on system wars when they really make little difference in real life. The PS3 is a good console though, but the exclusives don't turn the game around.
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#6 Slashless
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i think its fairly obvioous sony lost this gen , but the ps3 is still an awesome consoleTH1Sx1SxSPARTA
My exact thoughts, well put :)
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#7 NYrockinlegend
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I understand that those who have been looking into it would find Sony's failure this gen obvious. However, I feel it should still be noted, and now is a good time being just about the end of the gen, and fanboys are still trying to claim ownage with the exclusives. This is why they can't and never will win.:(
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#8 Zophar87
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i think its fairly obvioous sony lost this gen , but the ps3 is still an awesome consoleTH1Sx1SxSPARTA

Pretty much this is all that needs to be said.

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#9 NoirLamia
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Fanboys lost this gen. All three consoles were and are amazing. Everyone should indulge in what they have to offer.

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#10 NYrockinlegend
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Fanboys lost this gen. All three consoles were and are amazing. Everyone should indulge in what they have to offer.

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I agree with this except that the PS3 and 360 were TOO SIMILAR to each other in the types of games available for both. The Wii, on the other hand, was a nice diversion, even with its gimmicks and shovelware it did have a good amount of quality games not available on other systems, and the PC is always a good platform.
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#11 StrongDeadlift
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i think its fairly obvioous sony lost this gen , but the ps3 is still an awesome consoleTH1Sx1SxSPARTA

Lol'd. You would be supurised how NOT obvious this fact is, to a VERY large portion of posters here :lol:

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i think its fairly obvioous sony lost this gen , but the ps3 is still an awesome consoleTH1Sx1SxSPARTA

Agree, they lost but the PS3 is really a great console.

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#13 Jolt_counter119
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Well the ps3 IS in last place, and the psp was smashed by the DS so I don't really see how you could say they won lol.

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I dont understand how it lost this generation when it's nearly caught up to 360 sales world wide. Maybe it lost to the 360 in the US but not by that much and the 360 got decimated by the PS3 and Wii. Also i think Sony's first party games have been better than ever. The only thing different from last gen was that alot of developers that were sony exclusive went multi platform which did hurt them a bit but considering all it's done to push gaming to where it is (360 has done it's share too) i think it has done great. Next gen xbox will almost certainly have a BD rom and maybe even let users put in thier own HDD's. Even Wii has had an impact.
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#15 TH1Sx1SxSPARTA
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sony won some battles, but they lost the war
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#16 SOedipus
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Lost in sales for sure. I'd argue it won in games though (console-wise). And as I don't work for Sony and play the games I'm happy with it.

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#17 Jack_240
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[QUOTE="TH1Sx1SxSPARTA"]i think its fairly obvioous sony lost this gen , but the ps3 is still an awesome consolemadsnakehhh

Agree, they lost but the PS3 is really a great console.

It's safe to say Sony's lost this generation due to bad business decisions making back in 2006, the 599$ nightmare is still chasing them and that resulted to this being in the last place this generation. Not to mention the PSN outage they suffered this year and their handheld system problems with hacked firmwares. They didn't make profit. But still, the PS3 has tons of exclusives and I will still play them for as long as the PS3 is supported. Games like, Uncharted 1,2,3, Metal Gear Solid 4, Little Big Planet, Killzone 2&3 are all awesome games, but unfortunately sales disagree.

Xbox 360 did suffer too, but in my humble opinion, I think the Call of Duty and Halo marketing did help the Xbox 360 sales significantly over the PS3 especially around 2007-8 when the PS3 was in bad position. Now, Xbox 360 is focusing on Kinect games and that's not a very good sign for the core gamers. All those Kinectimals games aren't going to please the core gamers.

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#18 NYrockinlegend
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[QUOTE="Kurushio"]I dont understand how it lost this generation when it's nearly caught up to 360 sales world wide. Maybe it lost to the 360 in the US but not by that much and the 360 got decimated by the PS3 and Wii. Also i think Sony's first party games have been better than ever. The only thing different from last gen was that alot of developers that were sony exclusive went multi platform which did hurt them a bit but considering all it's done to push gaming to where it is (360 has done it's share too) i think it has done great. Next gen xbox will almost certainly have a BD rom and maybe even let users put in thier own HDD's. Even Wii has had an impact.

Even when/if Sony surpasses the 360 in sales, it still wouldn't compete with the amount of profit and marketshare MS had achieved this gen. Surpassing 360 sales worldwide may be a highlight, but it won't turn around the gen in Sony's favor profit-wise, and it would be a small victory as Sony's losses were pretty deep this gen.
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#20 Kurushio
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[QUOTE="NYrockinlegend"][QUOTE="Kurushio"]I dont understand how it lost this generation when it's nearly caught up to 360 sales world wide. Maybe it lost to the 360 in the US but not by that much and the 360 got decimated by the PS3 and Wii. Also i think Sony's first party games have been better than ever. The only thing different from last gen was that alot of developers that were sony exclusive went multi platform which did hurt them a bit but considering all it's done to push gaming to where it is (360 has done it's share too) i think it has done great. Next gen xbox will almost certainly have a BD rom and maybe even let users put in thier own HDD's. Even Wii has had an impact.

Even when/if Sony surpasses the 360 in sales, it still wouldn't compete with the amount of profit and marketshare MS had achieved this gen. Surpassing 360 sales worldwide may be a highlight, but it won't turn around the gen in Sony's favor profit-wise, and it would be a small victory as Sony's losses were pretty deep this gen.

Well if you count that the PS3 helped Sony win the HD DVD vs BD Rom war they may be ok with it not doing as well. Plus with MS you had the billions it cost them with the repairs they had to do with the RROD. You have to think how many people just bought another 360 after thiers which would lower the amount sold quite a bit probably. 360 mostly has just had better marketing in the US and is more the "cool" console to have and they had several killer apps like Halo, Fable, and Forza that has certainly helped. It's taken a while for Sony to get it's own killer apps and then with the hacking, which really could happen to 360 just as well, it hurt them just as they were getting in thier stride but have bounced back very well. With the emergence of OnLive, if it really takes off, then maybe system wars will be even more irrelevant.
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[QUOTE="Kurushio"][QUOTE="NYrockinlegend"][QUOTE="Kurushio"]I dont understand how it lost this generation when it's nearly caught up to 360 sales world wide. Maybe it lost to the 360 in the US but not by that much and the 360 got decimated by the PS3 and Wii. Also i think Sony's first party games have been better than ever. The only thing different from last gen was that alot of developers that were sony exclusive went multi platform which did hurt them a bit but considering all it's done to push gaming to where it is (360 has done it's share too) i think it has done great. Next gen xbox will almost certainly have a BD rom and maybe even let users put in thier own HDD's. Even Wii has had an impact.

Even when/if Sony surpasses the 360 in sales, it still wouldn't compete with the amount of profit and marketshare MS had achieved this gen. Surpassing 360 sales worldwide may be a highlight, but it won't turn around the gen in Sony's favor profit-wise, and it would be a small victory as Sony's losses were pretty deep this gen.

Well if you count that the PS3 helped Sony win the HD DVD vs BD Rom war they may be ok with it not doing as well. Plus with MS you had the billions it cost them with the repairs they had to do with the RROD. You have to think how many people just bought another 360 after thiers which would lower the amount sold quite a bit probably. 360 mostly has just had better marketing in the US and is more the "cool" console to have and they had several killer apps like Halo, Fable, and Forza that has certainly helped. It's taken a while for Sony to get it's own killer apps and then with the hacking, which really could happen to 360 just as well, it hurt them just as they were getting in thier stride but have bounced back very well. With the emergence of OnLive, if it really takes off, then maybe system wars will be even more irrelevant.

My house alone had 4 360s, two from launch 1 slim and 1 old white one. So I think MS's numbers are padded by repeat purchases.
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#22 NYrockinlegend
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[QUOTE="achilles614"][QUOTE="Kurushio"][QUOTE="NYrockinlegend"] Even when/if Sony surpasses the 360 in sales, it still wouldn't compete with the amount of profit and marketshare MS had achieved this gen. Surpassing 360 sales worldwide may be a highlight, but it won't turn around the gen in Sony's favor profit-wise, and it would be a small victory as Sony's losses were pretty deep this gen.

Well if you count that the PS3 helped Sony win the HD DVD vs BD Rom war they may be ok with it not doing as well. Plus with MS you had the billions it cost them with the repairs they had to do with the RROD. You have to think how many people just bought another 360 after thiers which would lower the amount sold quite a bit probably. 360 mostly has just had better marketing in the US and is more the "cool" console to have and they had several killer apps like Halo, Fable, and Forza that has certainly helped. It's taken a while for Sony to get it's own killer apps and then with the hacking, which really could happen to 360 just as well, it hurt them just as they were getting in thier stride but have bounced back very well. With the emergence of OnLive, if it really takes off, then maybe system wars will be even more irrelevant.

My house alone had 4 360s, two from launch 1 slim and 1 old white one. So I think MS's numbers are padded by repeat purchases.

The same could be said about the PS2. I've gone through at least 4 last gen. But if ppl are still re-buying them, the manufacturer has to be doing something right to keep their customers coming back. RRoD is rarely an issue today, and if it is, it's covered by the 3-year warranty that MS now provides so that was a good move right there. I'm not saying I agree wholeheartedly with MS's business ways or that the 360 is necessarily the better console because of its success, but clearly they did something right this gen, and they clearly won over Sony.
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#23 p4s2p0
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N dominated this gen that's for sure
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Everyone but the most hardened cows know the PS3 has been a complete disaster this gen. If Sony screws up this big again next gen, that will be the end of them period.

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#25 MLBknights58
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Lose or win from a business perspective, blah.

I don't work at Sony, I don't care about all that.

All I know is that I play the **** outta my friendo's PS3 when we kick it. And I love a lot of the games it has. Be thankful for a lot of great games and free internet.

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#27 Shenmue_Jehuty
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I don't care if the PS3 sold 10 consoles, I personally love mine and overall have enjoyed it more than my Wii or my 360 (RIP). That's what matters to me, not sales.

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#28 todd2r
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One things for sure, Nintendo has won this generation. That should have been the thread title. 2nd place is just the first loser folks. On topic, Sony has lost a lot of the market and a lot of money, but the ps3 is still fun and a good console. I'm excited to see how they bounce back with the ps4.
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#29 FeedOnATreeFrog
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Sony as a company failed hard this gen, and Microsoft did wonders.

but that doesn't mean the 360 is 'better' than the ps3.

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#30 ZumaJones07
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[QUOTE="TH1Sx1SxSPARTA"]i think its fairly obvioous sony lost this gen , but the ps3 is still an awesome consolemadsnakehhh

Agree, they lost but the PS3 is really a great console.

I also agree, PS3 didn't win but they made a good console.
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#31 campzor
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ye so did microsoft... oh well maybe next gen they will be first in sales
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#32 BlbecekBobecek
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Sony won this gen for me. Best console for core gamers of this gen period.

Im not a shareholder so I dont really care about sales or profits (although I think its bad if Sony really lost more money on PS3 than Microsoft on 360, because Sony averages on about 925.000 units sold per month and 360 averages only on 800.000 units sold per month, so Sony really had to do something wrong if it is less profateble).

Source: http://m.ign.com/articles/1212831

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#33 contracts420
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I agree with somebody else in this thread. I don't care if the system sold or not, I don't care who brought it more money. I enjoyed the games on all of the consoles, esp PS3 since it has been my console of choice for a few years now.

But this is System Wars, and we apparently do not play games we just hop online to crap on or praise a company that makes more money, because that's all that people on here seem to care about anyway.

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#34 FeedOnATreeFrog
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system wars, not corporation wars

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#35 hippiesanta
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lost by numbers doesnt meant lost in term of quality...... I can afford quality so it doesn't bother me
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#36 santoron
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Of course Sony isn't winning this gen, TC. It's fighting 360 for last place in sales, and exclusives. Yet you talk about the 360 like it won. Profits mean lots to stockholders and executives. They mean squat here. This is system wars. Not stock ticker or corporation wars. It's amazing to me how two systems so close in power, marketshare, and high scoring exclusives can be viewed so differently depending on which fanboy goggles a person wears...
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#37 lild1425
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In agreement with most forumites. Wii had the best sales by far, but was severely lacking in my opinion.

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#38 NotAFanboy7
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Captain obvious. PS3 is just a blu-ray this gen. XBOX is the hardcore gamer console.

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Ps3 is cool,but Sony is a b****.

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#40 AtariKidX
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Yeah sure......only in SW world...lolol PS3 have sell very good(55.5 million)....almost like the XBOX(57.6 million).The PS3 it have free online,BRay and the best look&quality exclusive games.What nintendo have offer..??Nothing.In term of quality Nintendo have lost and is in last place.
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#41 Mozelleple112
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Well at least Sony had the best exclusives this generation (Metal Gear Solid 4, Uncharted 2, LittleBigPlanet, Demon's Souls, etc)

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#42 PAL360
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Well at least Sony had the best exclusives this generation (Metal Gear Solid 4, Uncharted 2, LittleBigPlanet, Demon's Souls, etc)

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Exclusives couldnt be more subjective. Does PS3 have Mario Galaxy 2, Halo Reach, Gears 3, The Witcher 2, Shogun 2?

It does have some awesome exclusives, so do all other systems.

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in this generation....... quantity beats quality........ just like Twilight movies
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#44 delta3074
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Sony won this gen for me. Best console for core gamers of this gen period.

Im not a shareholder so I dont really care about sales or profits (although I think its bad if Sony really lost more money on PS3 than Microsoft on 360, because Sony averages on about 925.000 units sold per month and 360 averages only on 800.000 units sold per month, so Sony really had to do something wrong if it is less profateble).

Source: http://m.ign.com/articles/1212831

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tne 360 has been profitable since 2006 http://www.techspot.com/news/23612-microsoft-makes-tiny-profit-on-xbox-360-hardware.html you are also not factoring manufacturing costs, the Ps3 is far more expensive to produce than the 360 meaning SONY get less return on there investment, you are also not factoring XBL gold subscritions which is all profit. as it stands,SONY as a whole company is 2 billion in debt,microsoft are 23 billion in profit http://finapps.forbes.com/finapps/jsp/finance/compinfo/CIAtAGlance.jsp?tkr=SNE http://finapps.forbes.com/finapps/jsp/finance/compinfo/CIAtAGlance.jsp?tkr=MSFT and the xbox 360 division raked in a cool 165 million in profit last year http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/28220/Xbox_360_Division_Pushes_165_Million_Profit_For_MS_Q3 Due to heavy manufacturing costs the Ps3 has only been profitable since 2009.
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#45 exiledsnake
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[QUOTE="BlbecekBobecek"]

Sony won this gen for me. Best console for core gamers of this gen period.

Im not a shareholder so I dont really care about sales or profits (although I think its bad if Sony really lost more money on PS3 than Microsoft on 360, because Sony averages on about 925.000 units sold per month and 360 averages only on 800.000 units sold per month, so Sony really had to do something wrong if it is less profateble).

Source: http://m.ign.com/articles/1212831

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tne 360 has been profitable since 2006 http://www.techspot.com/news/23612-microsoft-makes-tiny-profit-on-xbox-360-hardware.html you are also not factoring manufacturing costs, the Ps3 is far more expensive to produce than the 360 meaning SONY get less return on there investment, you are also not factoring XBL gold subscritions which is all profit. as it stands,SONY as a whole company is 2 billion in debt,microsoft are 23 billion in profit http://finapps.forbes.com/finapps/jsp/finance/compinfo/CIAtAGlance.jsp?tkr=SNE http://finapps.forbes.com/finapps/jsp/finance/compinfo/CIAtAGlance.jsp?tkr=MSFT and the xbox 360 division raked in a cool 165 million in profit last year http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/28220/Xbox_360_Division_Pushes_165_Million_Profit_For_MS_Q3 Due to heavy manufacturing costs the Ps3 has only been profitable since 2009.

If I'm not mistaken though, the 360 still hasn't recouped the loss they suffered from the xbox right?
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#46 delta3074
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[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="BlbecekBobecek"]

Sony won this gen for me. Best console for core gamers of this gen period.

Im not a shareholder so I dont really care about sales or profits (although I think its bad if Sony really lost more money on PS3 than Microsoft on 360, because Sony averages on about 925.000 units sold per month and 360 averages only on 800.000 units sold per month, so Sony really had to do something wrong if it is less profateble).

Source: http://m.ign.com/articles/1212831

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tne 360 has been profitable since 2006 http://www.techspot.com/news/23612-microsoft-makes-tiny-profit-on-xbox-360-hardware.html you are also not factoring manufacturing costs, the Ps3 is far more expensive to produce than the 360 meaning SONY get less return on there investment, you are also not factoring XBL gold subscritions which is all profit. as it stands,SONY as a whole company is 2 billion in debt,microsoft are 23 billion in profit http://finapps.forbes.com/finapps/jsp/finance/compinfo/CIAtAGlance.jsp?tkr=SNE http://finapps.forbes.com/finapps/jsp/finance/compinfo/CIAtAGlance.jsp?tkr=MSFT and the xbox 360 division raked in a cool 165 million in profit last year http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/28220/Xbox_360_Division_Pushes_165_Million_Profit_For_MS_Q Due to heavy manufacturing costs the Ps3 has only been profitable since 2009.

If I'm not mistaken though, the 360 still hasn't recouped the loss they suffered from the xbox right?

all i know is that MS is in the black to the tune of 23 billion, SONY is in the red to the tune of 2 billion, the 360 division might not have recouped the losses for the original XBox but as a company MS has more than recouped there earlier losses and then some, mainly due to profits from windows sales.
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#47 exiledsnake
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[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="exiledsnake"][QUOTE="delta3074"]tne 360 has been profitable since 2006 http://www.techspot.com/news/23612-microsoft-makes-tiny-profit-on-xbox-360-hardware.html you are also not factoring manufacturing costs, the Ps3 is far more expensive to produce than the 360 meaning SONY get less return on there investment, you are also not factoring XBL gold subscritions which is all profit. as it stands,SONY as a whole company is 2 billion in debt,microsoft are 23 billion in profit http://finapps.forbes.com/finapps/jsp/finance/compinfo/CIAtAGlance.jsp?tkr=SNE http://finapps.forbes.com/finapps/jsp/finance/compinfo/CIAtAGlance.jsp?tkr=MSFT and the xbox 360 division raked in a cool 165 million in profit last year http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/28220/Xbox_360_Division_Pushes_165_Million_Profit_For_MS_Q Due to heavy manufacturing costs the Ps3 has only been profitable since 2009.

If I'm not mistaken though, the 360 still hasn't recouped the loss they suffered from the xbox right?

all i know is that MS is in the black to the tune of 23 billion, SONY is in the red to the tune of 2 billion, the 360 division might not have recouped the losses for the original XBox but as a company MS has more than recouped there earlier losses and then some, mainly due to profits from windows sales.

Yeah but Microsoft's profits isn't really much to do with the 360 but rather their main business which is Windows whereas the ps3's failure I feel has had a much bigger impact on Sony's bottom line.
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#48 g0ddyX
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In terms of sales yes...

In terms of gaming no...

Who SHOULD really care about sales, the developers... not gamers.

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#49 Chris_Williams
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...... all that time you went into writing that could have been spent on something waaaaaaaaay more productive

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#50 aroxx_ab
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Sony maybe not top selling console but it is my favorite system by far this generation. Last generation Game Cube was my favorite and that was not top seller either.