Onlive=DEATH OF PIRACY....

There hasnt been ANY gaming platform (apart from the bizzare case with PS3) that was 100% pirate proof....

IMO Onlive is here to kill piracy once and for all....despite its shortcomings the onlive system's piracy immunity might swing publishers in its favor...

If they ever got it to work; it would be the death of the few rights and freedoms gamers have left as well.

Even Steam lets you burn your games to disk with the promise should they ever shut down to deactivate all their DRM, with OnLive you will never be in the same room as the games you paid for and should that die your entire game collection goes with them.

there is no protection from piracy. they will ALWAYS find a way around it. and if you think that ANY publisher will go onlive ONLY you are not seriously thinking this through ;)3picuri3

It could also doom the second hand game industry which IMHO is far more damaging to software sales than piracy,

a developer would NEVER go OnLive only. it would be suicide. there is a huge chunk of the market that a) refuses to buy digitally, want a hard copy, b) don't go online with PC / Consoles, c) have inferior internet connections.

not to mention the NORMAL lag for input for OnLive is currently benchmarked at 60ms. when i play tf2 on my PC i connect at 30-40ms. so it means all of my game sessions, at best, would be 100-50% worse in terms of input lag. some of you may say there's no difference, but i think that's bs. in a fast and furious game any help reducing input lag is appreciated. i pay to have the ultra fast connection, no way will i pay full retail to stream with increased input lag.

keep in mind that is AVERAGE, meaning for some titles, and some situations, you are pushing 100+ms for latency, which is an auto-kick threshold on a lot of steam servers.

why do we keep getting threads about onlive? way too early to care. Slambo86

I think it's interesting and not too early. It's probably the most radical concept to approach the industry in quite a while.

All I know is, my ISP will soon be implementing a plan to make heavy Internet uses pay more. What qualifiies as a heavy user has yet to be revealed. So if I went OnLive, I'd be paying OnLive, I'd be paying more to my ISP, I'd could only game as long as my connection is on, is good, and I could no longer lend or trade games I bought to friends. And if I lose my job or have to cut back, I'd have nothing while I cancelledOnLive.

There hasnt been ANY gaming platform (apart from the bizzare case with PS3) that was 100% pirate proof....

IMO Onlive is here to kill piracy once and for all....despite its shortcomings the onlive system's piracy immunity might swing publishers in its favor...

True_Gamer_

there is no protection from piracy. they will ALWAYS find a way around it. and if you think that ANY publisher will go onlive ONLY you are not seriously thinking this through ;)3picuri3

Server-side processing has already been shown to make piracy incredibly difficult because not only is a private server required to play but the code that the server runs is typically kept unreleased. With Onlive both the client and server code will be kept unreleased. Thus all games would have piracy rates that are at least equal to current MMORPGS, which are extremely low. So yes that would be the death of piracy and that would be very appealing to publishers.

[QUOTE="3picuri3"]there is no protection from piracy. they will ALWAYS find a way around it. and if you think that ANY publisher will go onlive ONLY you are not seriously thinking this through ;)dc337

Server-side processing has already been shown to make piracy incredibly difficult because not only is a private server required to play but the code that the server runs is typically kept unreleased. With Onlive both the client and server code will be kept unreleased. Thus all games would have piracy rates that are at least equal to current MMORPGS, which are extremely low. So yes that would be the death of piracy and that would be very appealing to publishers.

Ok, since you are the one that thought this entire OnLive thing through, the utopian vision of no piracy existing means no piracy on PC games and Console games, correct?

Does this mean if I want to play games on my TV, then later on my PC downstairs, and then on my laptop, I'll need an OnLive unit for each device? I think this 'end of piracy' comes with the price of the endof freedom to play games when and where you want.

OnLive costs money...Piracy is free...spazzx625

[QUOTE="3picuri3"]there is no protection from piracy. they will ALWAYS find a way around it. and if you think that ANY publisher will go onlive ONLY you are not seriously thinking this through ;)dc337

Server-side processing has already been shown to make piracy incredibly difficult because not only is a private server required to play but the code that the server runs is typically kept unreleased. With Onlive both the client and server code will be kept unreleased. Thus all games would have piracy rates that are at least equal to current MMORPGS, which are extremely low. So yes that would be the death of piracy and that would be very appealing to publishers.

onlive will be a failure on gigantic levels, no one will limit themselves to 720p resolution requireng a 50 mb/s connect that nobody has, for a service that doesn't even have a fraction of multiplats let only ps3, 360, or wii exclusives

how much would it cost monthly?

im guess ATLEAST $20 per month

thats $240 a year, and $1200 for 5 years or average console gen

and that doesn't even include the cost of games:lol:

[QUOTE="dc337"]

[QUOTE="3picuri3"]there is no protection from piracy. they will ALWAYS find a way around it. and if you think that ANY publisher will go onlive ONLY you are not seriously thinking this through ;)3picuri3

Server-side processing has already been shown to make piracy incredibly difficult because not only is a private server required to play but the code that the server runs is typically kept unreleased. With Onlive both the client and server code will be kept unreleased. Thus all games would have piracy rates that are at least equal to current MMORPGS, which are extremely low. So yes that would be the death of piracy and that would be very appealing to publishers.

Thats the keyowrd....

dc337 has hit the nail on the head.....even PRIVATE MMO servers that have been setup only because people reverse egineered the CLIENT which is available for FREE to the public....

Without the client code piracy is defacto DEAD....oh as for all the naysayers you cannot imagine the lengths that the corporate GREED will go to ensure profits....

Obviously onlive will be piracy free, however I would expect it to also be a huge target for hacker to have some fun with and I can see the servers potentially being pushed too hard.

Back to reality there is no way Nintendo, MS or Sony are going to suddenly stop supporting their own consoles and its a safe assumption that their software is going to be better than most 3rd party games.

One last thing, I remember Ken Kutaragi saying the PS4 would use a system of servers probably back when the PS2 hasn't been out long, I wont be able to supply a link and I dont care if nobody else believes me or remembers it, I just think its funny.

[QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="dc337"] No I think you are the one who hasn't thought this through.

Server-side processing has already been shown to make piracy incredibly difficult because not only is a private server required to play but the code that the server runs is typically kept unreleased. With Onlive both the client and server code will be kept unreleased. Thus all games would have piracy rates that are at least equal to current MMORPGS, which are extremely low. So yes that would be the death of piracy and that would be very appealing to publishers.

True_Gamer_

Thats the keyowrd....

dc337 has hit the nail on the head.....even PRIVATE MMO servers that have been setup only because people reverse egineered the CLIENT which is available for FREE to the public....

Without the client code piracy is defacto DEAD....oh as for all the naysayers you cannot imagine the lengths that the corporate GREED will go to ensure profits....

this only applies to mmos my friend, and not even all mmos. both of you really don't understand what you're talking about. and those private servers aren't set up by 'reverse engineering the client' either.

and you both still fail to acknowledge there is no way in hell that every developer, or even one or two major ones, will go 100% onlive. there's a reason a lot of respectable devs are laughing at the onlive people and openly criticizing them.

I seriously have to know...what is your deal with piracy? That is literally the only thing, aside from the Total War franchise, that you ever talk about.

There hasnt been ANY gaming platform (apart from the bizzare case with PS3) that was 100% pirate proof....

IMO Onlive is here to kill piracy once and for all....despite its shortcomings the onlive system's piracy immunity might swing publishers in its favor...

True_Gamer_

why do we keep getting threads about onlive? way too early to care. Slambo86

I seriously have to know...what is your deal with piracy? That is literally the only thing, aside from the Total War franchise, that you ever talk about.

Verge_6

Wait what? So we're against piracy now? Trinners

[QUOTE="Trinners"]Wait what? So we're against piracy now? 3picuri3

what about movies and programs? Because I'm not paying $4000 for AutoCAD

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]

I seriously have to know...what is your deal with piracy? That is literally the only thing, aside from the Total War franchise, that you ever talk about.

True_Gamer_

It's also the death of moding and user generated content.

there is no protection from piracy. they will ALWAYS find a way around it. and if you think that ANY publisher will go onlive ONLY you are not seriously thinking this through ;)3picuri3

[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"][QUOTE="LittleHands134"]1. Onlive will gobble up a ridiculous amount of bandwidth. 2. Onlive will most likely have terrible input lag. 3. It'll be a cold day in hell when Onlive actually has any non-third party titles on it. Most people just seem misinformed about the entire thing. It's not going to work well AT ALL, I can tell you that right now.LittleHands134

If you did a bit more research about Onlive, you'd find that many of those issues aren't issues at all.

this only applies to mmos my friend, and not even all mmos. both of you really don't understand what you're talking about. and those private servers aren't set up by 'reverse engineering the client' either.

and you both still fail to acknowledge there is no way in hell that every developer, or even one or two major ones, will go 100% onlive. there's a reason a lot of respectable devs are laughing at the onlive people and openly criticizing them.

3picuri3

Consider the benefits:
No piracy
No cut for retail
No resale
No need to test/support multiple hardware configurations
Expanded market thanks to being able to play on notebooks, mac/linux

The only thing holding this back is consumer bandwidth access which improves each year.

It's more of the industry trying to force gaming to become a service instead of a product. I say no thanks.

I just thought of an excellent reason why there will never be a 100% pirate-proof platform embraced by all publishers-- because they can't blame piracy when they're explaining to their investors why a game flopped.Timstuff

It's more of the industry trying to force gaming to become a service instead of a product. I say no thanks.

lolfaqs

[QUOTE="lolfaqs"]

It's more of the industry trying to force gaming to become a service instead of a product. I say no thanks.

True_Gamer_

nah, I know they don't. Thats why I'll be sticking to PS2, PS3, and Wii if all consoles go DD or cloud next gen.

this is just a big nexgen failure

Wait what? So we're against piracy now? Trinners

I'm going to be in the video game business, so naturally I am against gaming piracy. I don't know for the others...