Opinion On E3 "winner"

This isn't an "I think Xwon E3" thread.

Basically sony is being called the winner by alot of people. If you think about it the reason sony seems so "great" is because of how poor they were prior to E3. I mean after all the bragging and the horrible launch all sony really had to do to impress/satisfy people was act a bit more humble and show off a good looking exclusive.

MS, who I think won, was admitedlly a littleboring butfora gaming convention MS focused the most on game lineup. It seems they focused a tad to much on the holiday lineup rather than the futur and lacked any big announcements but at E3 they had the best game lineup.

Nintendo obviously didn't focus enough on the hardcore fanbase but whatever works for them. They had some interesting announcments atleast.

This is all IMO of course.

Agree disagree please comment?

I disagree on the point that people think Sony won just because they did so poorly last year.

They won this year because they showed the most great games. There's no doubt that MS has a superior 2007 lineup, but what Sony demonstrated was that even though they are a year behind, their console still has a lot to offer that those who pass on it will not want to miss out on.

I think Sony won the hardcore crowd due to showing what gamers wanted. Games, models, and more.

In reality, Nintendo won due to media getting hyped about Wii Fit. I still say Sony won, but I will admit Nintendo had the most appeal.

Sony's being called the winner by hardcore gamers because they showed off more flashy trailers to the public.Smoke_ManMuscle

flashy trailers....like the one's shown at the Microsoft conference? Or the one's shown at every conference in the history of E3?

That's what conferences are for--showing flashy trailers. And note that the majority of Sony's trailers this year were real-time, not CG. I don't even recall a CG trailer off the top of my head.

Microsoft showed gameplay footage of multiplat games, which is great....but Sony also showed gameplay footage of their first-party exclusives.

Sony won because they had the most meaningful conference. All MS did was show some trailers of games that a) we already knew were coming out and b) are most likely going to be great. All Nintendo did was show us some nifty looking graphs and WiiFit. Sony was the only company to actually show games that a) we didn't know about and b) that actually look good.

[QUOTE="Smoke_ManMuscle"]Sony's being called the winner by hardcore gamers because they showed off more flashy trailers to the public.fuzzysquash

flashy trailers....like the one's shown at the Microsoft conference? Or the one's shown at every conference in the history of E3?

That's what conferences are for--showing flashy trailers. And note that the majority of Sony's trailers this year were real-time, not CG. I don't even recall a CG trailer off the top of my head.

Microsoft showed gameplay footage of multiplat games, which is great....but Sony also showed gameplay footage of their first-party exclusives.

I never stated that the flashy trailers weren't real-time. I just stated that they were flashy.

Sony showed off what most people consider to be the "best" stuff, so they "won". Simple as that.SpruceCaboose

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]Sony showed off what most people consider to be the "best" stuff, so they "won". Simple as that.HVPinc

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[QUOTE="Smoke_ManMuscle"]Sony's being called the winner by hardcore gamers because they showed off more flashy trailers to the public.Smoke_ManMuscle

flashy trailers....like the one's shown at the Microsoft conference? Or the one's shown at every conference in the history of E3?

That's what conferences are for--showing flashy trailers. And note that the majority of Sony's trailers this year were real-time, not CG. I don't even recall a CG trailer off the top of my head.

Microsoft showed gameplay footage of multiplat games, which is great....but Sony also showed gameplay footage of their first-party exclusives.

I never stated that the flashy trailers weren't real-time. I just stated that they were flashy.

...and you said that "flashy" trailers won E3 for Sony. What's your point? That they won unfairly? Every E3 is won by flashy trailers, because that's the point of E3--to show trailers to get people excited about your upcoming games.

I fail to see the reasoning behind your implication that Sony should not have won.

Sony's being called the winner by hardcore gamers because they showed off more flashy trailers to the public. Microsoft should be the winner because they showed off some incredible titles, and Nintendo's the real winner because they managed impress the much larger and much more mainstream news sources.Smoke_ManMuscle

No, It's becaus they announced new hardware, showed prior exlusives comming which are shaping up nicely, showed new IP's, and Killzone was amazing.

They also mentioned future announcements and their deal with NC Soft

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]Sony showed off what most people consider to be the "best" stuff, so they "won". Simple as that.HVPinc

And if by "fake diamond" you mean footage of MGS4, GT5, Ratchet, Uncharted, Heavenly Sword, Haze, etc, etc, etc,...I'll take it.

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[QUOTE="Smoke_ManMuscle"]Sony's being called the winner by hardcore gamers because they showed off more flashy trailers to the public.Smoke_ManMuscle

flashy trailers....like the one's shown at the Microsoft conference? Or the one's shown at every conference in the history of E3?

That's what conferences are for--showing flashy trailers. And note that the majority of Sony's trailers this year were real-time, not CG. I don't even recall a CG trailer off the top of my head.

Microsoft showed gameplay footage of multiplat games, which is great....but Sony also showed gameplay footage of their first-party exclusives.

I never stated that the flashy trailers weren't real-time. I just stated that they were flashy.

All MS needs to do to keep the hardcore gamers interested is keep everyone aware that Bioshock, Mass Effect, and Halo 3 still exist and are still releasing soon.

Sony had to, and I stress had to, make a splash after all the negative press they have gotten, and they did. True, the only way the had to go really was up, but they made a very controlled and calculated E3 appearance, and I think that it helped smooth over some hardcore gamer's "bad tastes" from prior PS3/Sony moves.

All in all, goo job to Sony, and MS, you did what you needed, if barely. Nintendo, a little more attention to the core gamers would have been nice, but whatever.

Sonys being called the winner because they made more good announcements and updated all their pre-existing titles as well, it has nothing to do with "flashy trailers" as Smoke_ calls them.

Nintendos announcements - WII ZAPPER, WII WHEEL, WII FIT. Underwhelming if not outright stupid (crickets to the Wii Wheel).

Microsoft - Scene It! (seen it elsewhere where you don't need to buy a 360), Naruto (could be good or not..but come on).

Sony - InFamous, UT3 exclusive for the year with PC>PS3 mods, NCSoft Deal, PSP hardware refresh, Echochrome, GT5: Prologue, Killzone 2 gameplay trailer, WipEout HD.

Well, the "crap" must have been nintendo's and MS's conferences, because those were the things that Sony was "next to"...

[QUOTE="HVPinc"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]Sony showed off what most people consider to be the "best" stuff, so they "won". Simple as that.PBSnipes

Very true, and whatever they showed, I went from not caring at all about Killzone 2, to it becoming a game to watch in the near future, and I know I am not alone. They showed some good stuff, and that is what E3 is for. Its a hype-train, and Sony was the conductor, MS a passenger, and Nintendo was left at the station. (IMO)

MS while had a great lineup of exclusives to show off didn't show off their exclusives. instead they just showed how 360 is more appealing to casuals and showing off alot of multiplats.

wii just showed alot of it success stories by showing the media loving the wii but didn't really show any games until the end with wiifit

sony is the clear winner becucase they showed games games and more games. they really showed off their exclusives, their new PSN games that look amazing, MGS4 being exclusives, home, and the cherry on top Killzone 2.

[QUOTE="PBSnipes"][QUOTE="HVPinc"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]Sony showed off what most people consider to be the "best" stuff, so they "won". Simple as that.SpruceCaboose

Very true, and whatever they showed, I went from not caring at all about Killzone 2, to it becoming a game to watch in the near future, and I know I am not alone. They showed some good stuff, and that is what E3 is for. Its a hype-train, and Sony was the conductor, MS a passenger, and Nintendo was left at the station. (IMO)

I disagree on the point that people think Sony won just because they did so poorly last year.

They won this year because they showed the most great games. There's no doubt that MS has a superior 2007 lineup, but what Sony demonstrated was that even though they are a year behind, their console still has a lot to offer that those who pass on it will not want to miss out on.

fuzzysquash

i have to say that i agree...they are a year behind yet...and let me say this...yet they were able to catch up to the performance and deliver the quality of games that xbox offered for the last year...that is something pretty impressive in my eyes...and led me to buy one after the pricedrop...i do play xbox at my cousins place alot and yes it is a great system

Sony won, not because of any reasons relating to hardcore stuffs.

Let me tell you something about the hardcore some of you guys are referring to.

That hardcore has been the mainstream, and it still is. If you got a problem with all that,

you can go back to playing tetris and ping pong.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]Very true, and whatever they showed, I went from not caring at all about Killzone 2, to it becoming a game to watch in the near future, and I know I am not alone. They showed some good stuff, and that is what E3 is for. Its a hype-train, and Sony was the conductor, MS a passenger, and Nintendo was left at the station. (IMO)PBSnipes

I am not saying it was a bad E3, but after last years E3 where MS pulled out all the stops, I was hoping for more. It was adequate, but I would not say it was mind-blowing or shocking. It was good, and it was what it needed to be. But Sony's presentation was something special compared to the spate of negativity surrounding the PS3 lately, and it was good to see them have a solid E3 without much negative.

Sony won, not because of any reasons relating to hardcore stuffs.

Let me tell you something about the hardcore some of you guys are referring to.

That hardcore has been the mainstream, and it still is. If you got a problem with all that,

you can go back to playing tetris and ping pong.

oqijpojigsafda

Hardcore is not mainstream. You phail.

Gaming is not yet mainstream. It is growing in the culture and in general acceptance as a form of entertainment akin to movies and TV, but it is still far from mainstream.

I disagree on the point that people think Sony won just because they did so poorly last year.

They won this year because they showed the most great games. There's no doubt that MS has a superior 2007 lineup, but what Sony demonstrated was that even though they are a year behind, their console still has a lot to offer that those who pass on it will not want to miss out on.

fuzzysquash

I think I'm gonna have to agree with fuzzy on this one.

[QUOTE="oqijpojigsafda"]

Sony won, not because of any reasons relating to hardcore stuffs.

Let me tell you something about the hardcore some of you guys are referring to.

That hardcore has been the mainstream, and it still is. If you got a problem with all that,

you can go back to playing tetris and ping pong.

SpruceCaboose

Hardcore is not mainstream. You phail.

Gaming is not yet mainstream. It is growing in the culture and in general acceptance as a form of entertainment akin to movies and TV, but it is still far from mainstream.

read previous posts before you open your mouth. you phail

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="oqijpojigsafda"]

Sony won, not because of any reasons relating to hardcore stuffs.

Let me tell you something about the hardcore some of you guys are referring to.

That hardcore has been the mainstream, and it still is. If you got a problem with all that,

you can go back to playing tetris and ping pong.

oqijpojigsafda

Hardcore is not mainstream. You phail.

Gaming is not yet mainstream. It is growing in the culture and in general acceptance as a form of entertainment akin to movies and TV, but it is still far from mainstream.

read previous postsbefore you open your mouth. you phail

You wrote "that hardcore has been the mainstream, and it still is."

No, hardcore gaming has never been mainstream. If you meant that hardcore games have been the standard fare in gaming, then that is true so far. But that is not what you wrote.

Mainstream implies that it is the general consensus of the majority. The majority of the general public is that gaming is a niche hobby populated by pre-teens and social outcasts. That is not true, and the mainstream view is changing slowly to one that is more accurate, but hardcore games and gaming in general are not mainstream.

Hardcore games are the norm in the gaming world, but not in the mainstream.

[QUOTE="oqijpojigsafda"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="oqijpojigsafda"]

Sony won, not because of any reasons relating to hardcore stuffs.

Let me tell you something about the hardcore some of you guys are referring to.

That hardcore has been the mainstream, and it still is. If you got a problem with all that,

you can go back to playing tetris and ping pong.

SpruceCaboose

Hardcore is not mainstream. You phail.

Gaming is not yet mainstream. It is growing in the culture and in general acceptance as a form of entertainment akin to movies and TV, but it is still far from mainstream.

read previous postsbefore you open your mouth. you phail

You wrote "that hardcore has been the mainstream, and it still is."

No, hardcore gaming has never been mainstream. If you meant that hardcore games have been the standard fare in gaming, then that is true so far. But that is not what you wrote.

Mainstream implies that it is the general consensus of the majority. The majority of the general public is that gaming is a niche hobby populated by pre-teens and social outcasts. That is not true, and the mainstream view is changing slowly to one that is more accurate, but hardcore games and gaming in general are not mainstream.

Hardcore games are the norm in the gaming world, but not in the mainstream.

just go to a dictionary web site, study more about the term, "mainstream."

huge franchises such as gta, gran turismo, halo, and others have been often

called hardcore games. these types of video games have been the mainstream

in the gaming world for a long time and they still are.

Sony won because they had the most meaningful conference. All MS did was show some trailers of games that a) we already knew were coming out and b) are most likely going to be great. All Nintendo did was show us some nifty looking graphs and WiiFit. Sony was the only company to actually show games that a) we didn't know about and b) that actually look good.

PBSnipes

Wow..PBsnipes is unbiased!!! good job, I agree.

The E3 was a total bomb if you ask me. All 3 companies did terrible at their conferences. If you watched ALL 3 conferences like I did, the excitement in the crowd was pretty much nil. Hardly anyone was clapping for anything shown on the screen. You could hear the presenters clapping louder then the audience. That's pretty sad. The Media & Journalist believe Nintendo won, while the majority of game fans on the forums thought Sony edged out the competition. The real winners are the gamers who will be able to play all those great titles this holiday season. nuff said.blackace

What media/journalists believe nintendo won? Nintendo had a horrible conference with Gamecube games made for their new cash cow known as the Wii....