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The inimitable Michael Pachter, research analyst at Wedbush Securities, gave the opening talk at the Digital Game Monetization Summit in San Francisco. Pachter, who follows a number of video game companies as well as other firms like Best Buy and Pandora, is often quoted by media outlets like The New York Times and The Wall Street Journal. He often appears on CNBC to provide more detailed analysis of the companies and industries he follows. Pachter admitted he didn't know much about the mechanics of game monetization, so he updated the audience on the state of the game market and his predictions for the future. As usual, Pachter provided a mix of frank assessments, arguable assertions, and stark predictions.

We're going to see non-traditional forms of gaming proliferate, as they have been for the last ten years, said Pachter. He noted that in 2008, the market for packaged games in the US was $22.6 billion with $3 billion in digital revenue. By 2011, packaged goods revenue had fallen to $18.4 billion, and he's projecting a total of about $16 billion for 2012, with $12 billion in digital revenue. Overall the game industry is really healthy, Pachter said. He sees the market continuing to expand, both by platforms and in total audience.

Digital distribution will continue to grow, and the day is coming when it will be ubiquitous, according to the analyst. What I'm waiting for is the day when every single game is offered day and date digitally as well as on disc, Pachter said. I think probably within three years every game made will be offered as a digital download.

"I think you're going to see now with the Wii U, notwithstanding its early launch support, nobody's going to support it"

Pachter had some harsh words for the Wii U and its future. I think you're going to see now with the Wii U, notwithstanding its early launch support, nobody's going to support it, Pachter claimed. I don't think we're going to see every game on the Wii U next year. I think when next-gen consoles come out they're going to be better than the Wii U. Call of Duty is amazing on the Wii U this year. The problem with playing Call of Duty online is it's a community and if there's only four people playing it on the Wii U it's no fun. Nobody in their right mind would buy a Wii U and say 'I'm going to play Call of Duty.' That's like saying 'I gave up Facebook, and it's Google+ now'.

While many in the console business are looking to DLC to make up for lower sales of most titles, Pachter threw cold water on the idea. Everybody loves DLC, but it's tied to packaged goods sales, Pachter explained. You can't download something unless you've bought the underlying game. It's between 10-15 percent supplement of revenues to packaged goods, for the games that have it. That's all well and good; it's an extra $150 million if you sell a billion dollars worth of Call of Duty, but that's not enough to make up for a number of console titles that don't make a profit.

While Pachter is not sanguine about the Wii U's chances, he is more positive about next-gen consoles coming from Sony and Microsoft. He's predicting they will have plenty of storage in order to make it more convenient for users to buy plenty of digital content. Next-generation consoles are going to have big hard drives, they're also going to have disc drives, predicted Pachter. I would guess that the PS4 and the Xbox 720 will have 2 TB hard drives. That pretty much means you can download anything you want and never get rid of anything. You'll have room for a couple of hundred games, no problem.

Pachter also presented an interesting view of Activision's iconic console franchise. Call of Duty, I'm calling it a failure, said Pachter; a surprising statement about a game whichgenerated $500 millionon its first day at retail andover $1 billion in just 15 days.I know the game sells billions of dollars. Activision did a bad thing with Call of Duty from a profit perspective. They trained gamers that you can buy a game and play it all year, ten hours a week, forever, and you never have to pay again. You just wait for the next Call of Duty. I promise you there are plenty of people, numbering in the millions, who play one game, which is Call of Duty, and they never stop. That's just like the people who play World of Warcraft and never stop, yet the World of Warcraft guys are paying $180 a year, and the Call of Duty guys are paying $60. So who's got a better model? This multiplayer thing being free was a mistake. I don't think anybody ever envisioned it would be this big. It's a mistake because it keeps those people from buying and playing other games.

"Call of Duty, I'm calling it a failure... This multiplayer thing being free was a mistake"

Activision has already tried to generate recurring revenue for the franchise with Call of Duty Elite, but after running it that way for several months, the company decided to make it free for all Call of Duty players, and return to selling the DLC separately rather than providing it as part of the subscription. That doesn't mean that Activision is done with the idea of recurring revenue for console games, though, according to Pachter. Prediction: The next Bungie game will be single-player only; the multiplayer aspect of that game will be subscription only, Pachter asserted. Activision's going to try it, because they're greedy pigs, and they're bold.

Pachter also had some zingers for Zynga, shaking his head at the company's rapid fall. Zynga lacked profitability, Pachter said by way of explaining the company's share price meltdown. I have never seen anything like this; like watching a train wreck. The darling of Wall Street, the best company ever, in the course of about two months became the worst company ever, completely hated by Wall Street. Zynga launched at $10, rose to $15, and sank to $2. They have $2 per share in cash. The equity value, the value of the business, is 25 cents per share. The company was worth $12 billion, down to $250 million; that's how far it dropped.

Pachter compared Zynga's stock to Nintendo's. Nintendo's trading at about $3 billion of equity value; it was trading at about $80 billion, he said, noting the huge loss of shareholder value. The market hates business models that start to show losses, and start to fail. Crappy little Riot Games, doing $150 million in revenue and wildly profitable, is worth a buttload more than Zynga, doing $1.1 billion and not making money. Pachter said the lesson to draw from that is the market is more concerned now with profitability than just posting great revenue numbers.

Pachter wasn't finished with his assessment of Nintendo's future in the next few years. I think Nintendo becomes completely irrelevant, Pachter claimed. They have their niche, Nintendo's first-party content is great content, and hardcore people will keep buying their consoles, but they're not going to only play with Nintendo consoles.

"Zynga lacked profitability. I have never seen anything like this; like watching a train wreck"

Michael Pachter

Pachter predicted that Activision would be making some acquisitions in the future to expand more into the digital product areas, but the path ahead would not be easy. Vivendi's going to screw up Activision for the next couple of years, because they're going to cause them to borrow money and buy back stock, said Pachter. I think the first thing Activision buys is Take-Two, because that fits in very nicely. Activision should buy Zynga - I just don't think Mark Pincus is a seller. I think Zynga has great assets, they have really good franchises, they have a ton of revenue, and I think run more efficiently they'd make a ton of money. Is the world really ready for a company containing both Mark Pincus and Bobby Kotick?

Investors have generally abandoned the game industry for now, with most game company stocks not moving much outside of a narrow range for the last several years. When will investors come back to game stocks, and who are they going to buy? Pachter provided some insights. THQ is not investable. Activision and EA make tons of money, so they are interesting investments. Take-Two doesn't make very much money but they have really great assets, so I think they remain attractive. Ubisoft has great assets and pretty good management. I think those are the four that have a really great shot. The non-traditional guys, Gree and DeNA and Tencent, they have a lot of value; Nexon has a lot of value. All those guys are going to get bid up.

I think Pachter has lost it. The most successful franchise financially is now a "failure"? Next Xbox and PS4 will have 2 TB hard drives?

I just really, really hope Take-Two doesn't get bought out. I would absolutely hate to think of Rockstar's games or Borderlands under control of Activision.

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#2 MaskedPlayer
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Who is Pachter?

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Funny how he analyses COD's awesomeness to mean a potential loss due to the business model.

I see what you're saying there, Mike.

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#4 Obviously_Right
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He's calling it a failure because if Activision had played their cards right it could have made even more money than it actually did.

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Ew I sure hope not.
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That's a long article, and it smells of BS from a mile away, so I won't even bother reading. Killed more than enough brain cells in the last few weeks already, don't think my brain is designed to take this sort of beating... :P

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#7 StrongDeadlift
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I just really, really hope Take-Two doesn't get bought out. I would absolutely hate to think of Rockstar's games or Borderlands under control of Activision.

Vari3ty

Lawdy lawdy.

At least they would probably remain a seperate entity like Blizzard.

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It is actually a whole lot more complicated than saying World of Warcraft costs $180 per year to play and COD costs $60. Blizzard actually has heavy expenses mainatining servers and providing updates for WoW. They incur almost no cost, at least relative to WoW, on COD. There are also other popular shooters, such as Halo, that gamers would turn to if COD had a monthly fee. There are no other MMOs even remotely as popular as WoW for gamers to turn to.

Somebody who is supposedly tied to this industry really should have a better feel for how it works.

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God no. GTA every year? Pass. Go buy EA or something and run BF/MoH into the ground. Actually, EA is already doing that so they're perfect for eachother!

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Sounds plausible.
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GTA5 under Activision? Oh god.... I'd rather tenderise my own balls.
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Pachter truly is an idiot sometimes.

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GTA5 under Activision? Oh god.... I'd rather tenderise my own balls.clyde46

:lol: .... I shall borrow that line.

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Pachter is the ultimate troll.
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Wow, stay well clear, Activision. You're the cancer of gaming. DO NOT touch Rockstar's masterpiece!

I think 2TB hard drive for consoles is a bit deep. It's likely that there will be 500GB and 1TB models.

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tbh, I rather see Take-Two split. Rockstar should become independent and sign onto EA Partners program. 2K Games can be bought by EA
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It is actually a whole lot more complicated than saying World of Warcraft costs $180 per year to play and COD costs $60. Blizzard actually has heavy expenses mainatining servers and providing updates for WoW. They incur almost no cost, at least relative to WoW, on COD. There are also other popular shooters, such as Halo, that gamers would turn to if COD had a monthly fee. There are no other MMOs even remotely as popular as WoW for gamers to turn to.

Somebody who is supposedly tied to this industry really should have a better feel for how it works.

PurpleMan5000

This^^^^

Could you imagine if Pachter was running Activision?? Pachter would run Activision right into the ground.

The tool that is Pachter thinks gamers are a bunch of idiots. Everyone would quickly switch to Halo or the Battlefield series if Activision made the mistake of charging a monthly Sub. As it stands right now MS gives part of the xbox Live fees to Activision n imo that is just fine seeing that plenty of people buy Live Subs just to play COD.

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#19 deactivated-5e0e425ee91d8
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Oh Pachter, will you ever spew a true fact from your face hole? The guy is on record as anti-Nintendo and having a hard on for Activision. I can't take him seriously anymore, if I ever did.
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Pacther's predictions will fail again.

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I have a good feeling that the only reason why this guy is still analyzing is because of funny stuff like this. ;)

Its always the one who trolls it up that stay off the chopping block until they go too far with it haha. This guy should be a comedian.

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#23 spike6958
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So, this pretty much confirms that Nintendo will win Gen 8 then. Patcher wouldn't know the difference between a games console and his own arse.

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#24 SectorSix6
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2 TB? lol he's trippin'. then that would mean next gen console prices will be $700+

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Completely agree with him about the WIi U. Nintendo is in for a shock.
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lolpachter
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So Microsoft will not buy Take-Two, and Nintendo is gaining relevance? Got it.
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Completely agree with him about the WIi U. Nintendo is in for a shock.RR360DD

patcher makes horrible videogame predictions you know.

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I have a good feeling that the only reason why this guy is still analyzing is because of funny stuff like this. ;)

Its always the one who trolls it up that stay off the chopping block until they go too far with it haha. This guy should be a comedian.

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My favorite bit of his is 'herp, Nintendo should do mobile development, derp'
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#30 Cheleman
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Mr. Pachter speaks nothing but the truth.

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#31 crimsonman1245
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I wonder if the Wii U is going to be like the Gamecube, where they only need 20 million sold to make it a success.

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Pachter what a beast.
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Mr. Pachter speaks nothing but the truth.

Cheleman

Please list the many predictions that are the truth and maybe you win a cookie

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[QUOTE="Vari3ty"]

I just really, really hope Take-Two doesn't get bought out. I would absolutely hate to think of Rockstar's games or Borderlands under control of Activision.

StrongDeadlift

Lawdy lawdy.

At least they would probably remain a seperate entity like Blizzard.

Blizzard's parent company has the majority stake in Activision. That is why Blizzard gets to be seperate. If they purchased Take-Two then Activision would have control of Take Two's developers.

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Mr. Bean of analysts?

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welp, it's official. pachter gives no f*cks about making any kind of sense, he's too busy saying things so stupid you can't help but quote him, thus generating hits and keeping his job safe.
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[QUOTE="Cheleman"]

Mr. Pachter speaks nothing but the truth.

FireEmblem_Man

Please list the many predictions that are the truth and maybe you win a cookie

just one would be enough.
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#38 Cheleman
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[QUOTE="Cheleman"]

Mr. Pachter speaks nothing but the truth.

FireEmblem_Man

Please list the many predictions that are the truth and maybe you win a cookie

just a cookie?:(

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[QUOTE="FireEmblem_Man"]

[QUOTE="Cheleman"]

Mr. Pachter speaks nothing but the truth.

Cheleman

Please list the many predictions that are the truth and maybe you win a cookie

just a cookie?:(

a whole jar of cookies. one for every prediction pachter got right.
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Lol Pachter.

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#41 MarcRecon
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Nintendo irrelevant??:lol:....this guy gets my vote for making the dumbest comment of 2012!!! Now, he might be on to something with the super-size HDD which is kinda a no-brainer.

We all know that Sony and MS are pushing for full digital distribution(CONTROL)next-gen, it might not happen at the begining but eventually those HDD will be getting a serious work-out!!

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[QUOTE="Cheleman"]

[QUOTE="FireEmblem_Man"]

Please list the many predictions that are the truth and maybe you win a cookie

BrunoBRS

just a cookie?:(

a whole jar of cookies. one for every prediction pachter got right.

He predicted their will be a new Sony/Microsoft system!

Give me mah cookies! :P

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[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="Cheleman"]

just a cookie?:(

AznbkdX

a whole jar of cookies. one for every prediction pachter got right.

He predicted their will be a new Sony/Microsoft system!

Give me mah cookies! :P

that's not a prediction, that's stating the obvious :P now if he predicted a date and got it right... but IIRC he predicted MS and sony would unveil their systems last E3. so yeah, sorry.
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[QUOTE="AznbkdX"]

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"] a whole jar of cookies. one for every prediction pachter got right.BrunoBRS

He predicted their will be a new Sony/Microsoft system!

Give me mah cookies! :P

that's not a prediction, that's stating the obvious :P now if he predicted a date and got it right... but IIRC he predicted MS and sony would unveil their systems last E3. so yeah, sorry.

He still predicted it though! He may have stated the obvious but its still a prediction he got right for the most part! You ever watch that one Family Guy episode? :P

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#45 Michael0134567
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Lol Pachter.

Michael0134567
I agree with this guy.
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:shock: As long as CoD doesn't go with a F2P model, though I feel that reality might be looming given the current market.
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[QUOTE="Michael0134567"]

Lol Pachter.

Michael0134567

I agree with this guy.

I like her acoustic play. :)

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[QUOTE="Michael0134567"]

Lol Pachter.

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I agree with this guy.

That signature... ...it's beautiful. :cry:
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#49 rschauby
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If all these "predicitions" come true in regards to the PS4 and Xbox 720, those consoles will cost $500+ unsubsidized. Microsoft and Sony may build the strongest console ever, but they'll be out of business in a month...

2TB's hard drives, 8-16GB of RAM, AMD A10's, AMD 7750's, none of these parts are "cheap".

Wii U is profitable after 1 game sale. Xbox will probably need the entire 2 year contract on Xbox Live + 5 games, and Sony will need 10 games plus a year of PSN+.

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#50 Michael0134567
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[QUOTE="Michael0134567"][QUOTE="Michael0134567"]

Lol Pachter.

AznbkdX

I agree with this guy.

I like her acoustic play. :)

It's awesome, of course :).