Paying to play online is just a scam.

If you have played WoW since it came out you have paid Blizzard:

$50 for Original

$40 for 1st expansion

$40 for 2nd expansion

$40 for 3rd expansion

$15 per month for 83 months

Or $1415 in total.

That's a lot for one video game.

All I have done with World of Warcraft was Play the Game for Free. Then Buy the Game so I can trade and stuff ($20) then I got 2 months free, and I don't have a Renewal so once those 2 months are up I won't be able to Level Up I guess.

Already at Level 20.

People pay for what they want.. People use the money they have to do with as they see fit. dotWithShoes

This. People clearly find value in these services and are willing to pay for them, just because you dont see the value, it doesnt mean the person that does is getting scammed/being silly with their money etc.

As long as i dont pay for it its all cool to me

Yup, i'm not too fond of P2P MMO's either.

The only game I'd be playing P2P if GW2 goes P2P which won't happen 8D

Oh great just what we need...THIS thread again. I swear a thread like this gets created at least every 24 hours on SW.KC_Hokie

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Oh great just what we need...THIS thread again. I swear a thread like this gets created at least every 24 hours on SW.Lexter45

[QUOTE="Lexter45"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Oh great just what we need...THIS thread again. I swear a thread like this gets created at least every 24 hours on SW.KC_Hokie

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="Lexter45"] Read the whole thread and not just the title.Lexter45

[QUOTE="Lexter45"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]The entire topic was created as another anti-XBL rant. Talking about MMOs later on in the thread doesn't change that.KC_Hokie

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="Lexter45"] TC's point was why people badmouthed Xbox Live's Pay 2 Play and not MMO's, nowhere in the OP does he bad mouth Xbox Live P2P, In fact, he's pretty tired of the bashing as well.percech

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="Lexter45"] TC's point was why people badmouthed Xbox Live's Pay 2 Play and not MMO's, nowhere in the OP does he bad mouth Xbox Live P2P, In fact, he's pretty tired of the bashing as well.percech

You still have the license for the software (just like any game), what you pay for is access to servers and updates/services.

Live would not get all the hate it does if it simply had two modes:

Free-online gameplay, access to the marketplace, ads...

P2P - all the features of Live (those things that proponents of Live like to tout), online gameplay, marketplace, no ads, special offers...

I don't care for MMO's, I never play them but when you start charging for console gaming in general then I'm not ok since that could become the standard and I have played in consoles all my life and I don't want to start getting ripped off that way.kuraimen

Live would not get all the hate it does if it simply had two modes:

Free-online gameplay, access to the marketplace, ads...

P2P - all the features of Live (those things that proponents of Live like to tout), online gameplay, marketplace, no ads, special offers...

LORD_BLACKGULT

I don't care for MMO's, I never play them but when you start charging for console gaming in general then I'm not ok since that could become the standard and I have played in consoles all my life and I don't want to start getting ripped off that way.kuraimen

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]I don't care for MMO's, I never play them but when you start charging for console gaming in general then I'm not ok since that could become the standard and I have played in consoles all my life and I don't want to start getting ripped off that way.Lexter45

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]I don't care for MMO's, I never play them but when you start charging for console gaming in general then I'm not ok since that could become the standard and I have played in consoles all my life and I don't want to start getting ripped off that way.Plagueless

MMOs are a scam just as XBL is a scam

MMOs are a scam just as XBL is a scam

BPoole96

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

MMOs are a scam just as XBL is a scam

juno84

I don't think we will see that until maybe next gen

Well, when it comes down to it, if you enjoy playing that game then chances are you will pay for it. I enjoy WoW, I have fun playing it, and I have played since the game came out. I've taken numerous breaks for months at a time so I have not been paying $15 a month for the past 7 years. If I'm enjoying it and I'm having fun (the point of even playing a game) then what's the harm? It's not your money I'm spending afterall!

In the defense of WoW: The majority of the content pushes in WoW are free. Yes, you pay to play and yes you pay for the major expansions but the majority of the content implemented into WoW is free. Every major patch there's always a content push with more raids, dungeons, and pvp. Where as most games would charge you for such content; WoW offers it to you for free.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="Lexter45"] TC's point was why people badmouthed Xbox Live's Pay 2 Play and not MMO's, nowhere in the OP does he bad mouth Xbox Live P2P, In fact, he's pretty tired of the bashing as well.percech

Everyone who plays WoW legally has to agree to it's ELUA. Unless they're stupid and don't read it, then they should openly know what they're getting into. It's not like WoW is trying to hide this from you.

Paying for Live = Peer to peer multiplayer, party chat, ads.

Paying for MMOs = Paying whoever made the MMO to keep the servers running AND add more content with no ads.

You've got me on the expansion packs though. I guess it depends on how evil the developer is.

If you have played WoW since it came out you have paid Blizzard:

$50 for Original

$40 for 1st expansion

$40 for 2nd expansion

$40 for 3rd expansion

$15 per month for 83 months

Or $1415 in total.

That's a lot for one video game.

peterw007

Is paying to play online a scam? Maybe.. And I will leave it at that.

Thanks TC. Cows just dont understand why anyone would pay for it. Even hermits can sometimes see why people would pay for live. Heck, in my CS:S days I rented a Ventrillo server which cost more than Xbox live but only did one thing. I pay for Xbox Live because it is easy to use, has a feature that I use every day that isnt available on PSN (party chat, seriously the first thing I do every time I turn my Xbox on) and it allows me to play Halo and Gears of War online. Why this is so hard for cows to get I dont know. You dont HAVE to buy an Xbox or Xbox Live. And If you dont, why bash people who do?Plagueless

[QUOTE="dotWithShoes"]People pay for what they want.. People use the money they have to do with as they see fit. Snugenz

This. People clearly find value in these services and are willing to pay for them, just because you dont see the value, it doesnt mean the person that does is getting scammed/being silly with their money etc.

[QUOTE="Snugenz"]

[QUOTE="dotWithShoes"]People pay for what they want.. People use the money they have to do with as they see fit. KungfuKitten

This. People clearly find value in these services and are willing to pay for them, just because you dont see the value, it doesnt mean the person that does is getting scammed/being silly with their money etc.

I'm nauseous, I'm nauseous, I'm nauseous...

I personally dont care that much about paying to play. If the console with better games charged me for online, I would probably pay for it. It doesnt hurt at all that the console with better games doesnt charge for online though. :)

It sucks cause in the end paying for XBL gives me nothing more cosidering what truly interests me in XBL is playing my games online..

If you have played WoW since it came out you have paid Blizzard:

$50 for Original

$40 for 1st expansion

$40 for 2nd expansion

$40 for 3rd expansion

$15 per month for 83 months

Or $1415 in total.

That's a lot for one video game.

peterw007

It is a business model, that people fell for and it works. Same thing for other unnecessary paid content like $15 maps. Businesses would charge $100 for a game and $50 per month usage, and $50 quarter expansion if they found enough people willing to do it. They just have to create a game that has a formula of "I can't get enough" and you have successfully made a content that is worth something to many that clearly is a rip off to others not willing to buy into it.

Xbox Live gets enough abuse here so I'm not gonna argue against it and I'm sick of MS always being the scapegoat to this argument when MMOs have been doing this long before XBL. I'm not sure why people here have a more bigger issue with XBL than MMOs...such as WoW. I remember when World of Warcraft was around $50...yeah 50. The sad part of this is that people think that they own this game, but they don't. They own nothing about it. You pay for the retail copy but you can't even play it until you subscribe to their service. It's worse than drm. It would be fine I guess if it wasn't required to buy the game, and if they didn't release expansion packs. You pay good money to own a hard copy of the game but you don't even own and you can't even play it. How's that fair? Just because there's a lot of content? Well then how come there are lots of good MMOs out there that are actually free to play? I know it's business but I'm trying to figure out why people bring up XBL so much and not even mention the scam that is known as the MMO genre? percech

I just hate subscription charges in general. I will never touch MMOs because of their business model. I used to think the advantage of XBL was Microsoft had a central hub of servers developers could use for their games and the subscription cost covered Microsoft's server costs. I couldn't believe people paid for it when I found out it works just like PSN and Steam.ActionRemix

But, but XBL needs my money to be secured :o