PC gamers are not pirates!

While many of us do in fact enjoy Rum, and who doesn't enjoy pillaging across the seven seas, I'm refering specifically to software piracy.

If I want a game for free, it doesn't matter WHAT system it's on. If you think that burning a DVD9 for a 360 game or a Blu-Ray disk for a PS3 game is any harder, you're dead wrong: It's easier.

The fact is that me, and damn near every other PC gamer I've talked about it with deteste piracy, and feel obligated to support developers.

You really think that we're going to spend moola on the most expensive gaming rig out there and then be cheap about gaming?

I'm sick of being told that we 'deserve what we're getting' from Activition and other such companies.

Do music fans 'deserve' to have their artists of choice sell out? Do movie buffs 'deserve' it when their favorite director sells his soul to the profit margins?

It's just frustrating.

Sorry about venting so bluntly- usually I care to attempt at a higher level of articulation. Unfortunately this flu can hurt my composure somewhat... And no it's not Swine.

There are pirates on every console/platform to date (except the PS3). PC pirating is a lot easier as it does not need any hardware modifications. KukicAdo

Since when do you need hardware modifications?

I can burn my 360 games to my heart's content and- assuming I'm using the proper and recent most apps- they'll run on any 360 out of the box.

Although admittedly finding a blank DVD9 can be a hell of a struggle.

There are pirates on every console/platform to date (except the PS3). PC pirating is a lot easier as it does not need any hardware modifications. KukicAdo

You'd be surprised. (People have WAY too much time in their hands)

[QUOTE="KukicAdo"]There are pirates on every console/platform to date (except the PS3). PC pirating is a lot easier as it does not need any hardware modifications. tagyhag

You'd be surprised. (People have WAY too much time in their hands)

Do music fans 'deserve' to have their artists of choice sell out? Do movie buffs 'deserve' it when their favorite director sells his soul to the profit margins?

Big_Red_Button

[QUOTE="tagyhag"]

[QUOTE="KukicAdo"]There are pirates on every console/platform to date (except the PS3). PC pirating is a lot easier as it does not need any hardware modifications. KukicAdo

You'd be surprised. (People have WAY too much time in their hands)

[QUOTE="KukicAdo"][QUOTE="tagyhag"]

You'd be surprised. (People have WAY too much time in their hands)

Danm_999

Sure there are pirates on every platform, but I think the main difference is that console gamers buy games regardless. MW2 will be pirated on the 360 sure, but it will also sell 5million plus easily.

[QUOTE="KukicAdo"]There are pirates on every console/platform to date (except the PS3). PC pirating is a lot easier as it does not need any hardware modifications. Big_Red_Button

Since when do you need hardware modifications?

I can burn my 360 games to my heart's content and- assuming I'm using the proper and recent most apps- they'll run on any 360 out of the box.

Although admittedly finding a blank DVD9 can be a hell of a struggle.

You still need to take the 360 apart and fla.... do stuff to the DVD drive before you can play "back-up copies of (your) games" though

Sorry but you just can't take anyone seriously when they say console pirating is just as easy as on the PC.

[QUOTE="tagyhag"]

[QUOTE="KukicAdo"]There are pirates on every console/platform to date (except the PS3). PC pirating is a lot easier as it does not need any hardware modifications. KukicAdo

You'd be surprised. (People have WAY too much time in their hands)

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="KukicAdo"] To date, there isn't a PS3 mod for hardware or software that will allow you to play pirated games. Unless you can provide proof, i'd gladly retract my statement KukicAdo

Exactly, the only thing that high price of Blu-rays would effect is the number of pirates on the PS3, not the time in which it takes to hack it.

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="KukicAdo"] To date, there isn't a PS3 mod for hardware or software that will allow you to play pirated games. Unless you can provide proof, i'd gladly retract my statement KukicAdo

[QUOTE="KukicAdo"]

[QUOTE="Danm_999"] This has more to do with the PS3's lack of popularity around the world however.TehSonofUgly

Exactly, the only thing that high price of Blu-rays would effect is the number of pirates on the PS3, not the time in which it takes to hack it.

[QUOTE="KukicAdo"]

[QUOTE="Danm_999"] This has more to do with the PS3's lack of popularity around the world however.TehSonofUgly

Exactly, the only thing that high price of Blu-rays would effect is the number of pirates on the PS3, not the time in which it takes to hack it.

[QUOTE="TehSonofUgly"]

[QUOTE="KukicAdo"] False. The first team that cracks the PS3 code, will gain mass popularity. Pirates have been at it since launch. Still no luck.

KukicAdo

Exactly, the only thing that high price of Blu-rays would effect is the number of pirates on the PS3, not the time in which it takes to hack it.

I had a PC gamer steal my boat once, so yeah, they are pirates.

You could get banned from Xbox live if you pirate weres pc the worst that could happen is you get a virus. Firmware updates can also brick modded consoles. You cant even pirate on the PS3 and even if you could it would take ages to download the game because of it using bluerays.

Sorry but you just can't take anyone seriously when they say console pirating is just as easy as on the PC.

EvanTheGamer

What's wrong with being a pirate?

Here is what someone said about me on my execution day:

"Wealth, Fame, Power. The Man who had Everything in this World...Gold Roger..Walking towards his death...He held himself high, like a proud warrior.

Inherited Will, The Destiny of the Age, The Dreams of its People."

And then right as they were about to kill me, I used Instant Transmission to put a double in my place and then made my amazing escape. The video missed that part though.

[QUOTE="EvanTheGamer"]

Sorry but you just can't take anyone seriously when they say console pirating is just as easy as on the PC.

siLVURcross

Stats for COD4:

Pirated servers:
Servers - 141
Max players - 3646

Legitimate servers:
Servers - 13245
Max players - 266326

Total amount of servers: 141+13245=13386
Percentage of pirated servers: 141/13386*100=1.05%

Total amount of players: 3646+266326=269972

http://www.private-servers.info/CallOfDuty4.html
http://www.game-monitor.com/GameSearch/"

[QUOTE="TehSonofUgly"]

[QUOTE="KukicAdo"] False. The first team that cracks the PS3 code, will gain mass popularity. Pirates have been at it since launch. Still no luck.

KukicAdo

Exactly, the only thing that high price of Blu-rays would effect is the number of pirates on the PS3, not the time in which it takes to hack it.

Also need a Bluray writer and download the PS3 games, which even compressed may still be quite large.

Either way;

http://rhyannefranz.wordpress.com/2009/01/14/why-ps3-is-hard-to-hack/

[QUOTE="siLVURcross"][QUOTE="EvanTheGamer"]

Sorry but you just can't take anyone seriously when they say console pirating is just as easy as on the PC.

Brownesque

Stats for COD4:

Pirated servers:
Servers - 141
Max players - 3646

Legitimate servers:
Servers - 13245
Max players - 266326

Total amount of servers: 141+13245=13386
Percentage of pirated servers: 141/13386*100=1.05%

Total amount of players: 3646+266326=269972

http://www.private-servers.info/CallOfDuty4.html
http://www.game-monitor.com/GameSearch/"

[QUOTE="Brownesque"]

[QUOTE="siLVURcross"] It's pretty easy.SilverChimera

Stats for COD4:

Pirated servers:
Servers - 141
Max players - 3646

Legitimate servers:
Servers - 13245
Max players - 266326

Total amount of servers: 141+13245=13386
Percentage of pirated servers: 141/13386*100=1.05%

Total amount of players: 3646+266326=269972

http://www.private-servers.info/CallOfDuty4.html
http://www.game-monitor.com/GameSearch/"

All we can do is hope that deals in places like Steam and Direct2Drive, registration in exchange for free DLC and compelling multiplayer experiences can continue to curb some of the damage. I don't expect there to be many major PC exclusives these days, and I'm okay with that. Developers will look to the PC to provide extra sales for their multiplats, and even though I own both a 360 and PS3, I'll always pickup the PC version if I have the chance.

I don't think the 360 is quite as bad as the PC, but the PSP certainly suffers from many of the same problems.

It really depends what country you live in, I just visited Bangkok, Thailand and i think its fair to say all pc gamers and xbox360 owners in that country are pirates or are playing pirated games. This is proabably true for most asian counties except for maybe Japan.

PC piracy rates for single-player games are out of control.

World of Goo piracy rate nears 90%
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2008/11/acrying-shame-world-of-goo-piracy-rate-near-90.ars

I've never seen anyone show any evidence that there has been a single xbox 360 game with a piracy rate over 5%. PSP has a piracy problem but it still isn't close to the pc.

Your wrong, because the PS3 is unhackable and the 360 needs a modchip which is risky and requires you to open your console and void the warrenty.

PC piracy has no risks, and its a fact that games are pirated more than they are bought on PC.

Your wrong, because the PS3 is unhackable and the 360 needs a modchip which is risky and requires you to open your console and void the warrenty.

PC piracy has no risks, and its a fact that games are pirated more than they are bought on PC.

ColdP1zza

Your Wrong, 360 does not need a modchip.

Your wrong, because the PS3 is unhackable and the 360 needs a modchip which is risky and requires you to open your console and void the warrenty.

PC piracy has no risks, and its a fact that games are pirated more than they are bought on PC.

ColdP1zza

[QUOTE="ColdP1zza"]

Your wrong, because the PS3 is unhackable and the 360 needs a modchip which is risky and requires you to open your console and void the warrenty.

PC piracy has no risks, and its a fact that games are pirated more than they are bought on PC.

tagyhag

Your wrong, because the PS3 is unhackable and the 360 needs a modchip which is risky and requires you to open your console and void the warrenty.

PC piracy has no risks, and its a fact that games are pirated more than they are bought on PC.

ColdP1zza

[QUOTE="tagyhag"][QUOTE="ColdP1zza"]

Your wrong, because the PS3 is unhackable and the 360 needs a modchip which is risky and requires you to open your console and void the warrenty.

PC piracy has no risks, and its a fact that games are pirated more than they are bought on PC.

siLVURcross

[QUOTE="ColdP1zza"]

Your wrong, because the PS3 is unhackable and the 360 needs a modchip which is risky and requires you to open your console and void the warrenty.

PC piracy has no risks, and its a fact that games are pirated more than they are bought on PC.

tagyhag

[QUOTE="KukicAdo"]

[QUOTE="Danm_999"] This has more to do with the PS3's lack of popularity around the world however.Danm_999

Gentleman, remember this as the day you almost caught Captain Jack Sparrow.

There's nothing wrong with being a pirate, You gotta embrace who you are, mate.

I think I'll go with the opinions of people that make games, not anonymous internet forum posters.

Crysis PC piracy ratio 20 to 1
http://digg.com/gaming_news/Crytek_PC_Game_Piracy_Ratio_Is_About_20_1

Software CEO Todd Hollenshead and Epic Games president Michael Capps both admitted that piracy of PC games caused their companies to pursue developing beyond the PC platform
http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/46079

Endwar delayed because of piracy, director claims that piracy is killing the pc
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/10/08/endwar-delayed-because-piracys-killing-pc/

Reflexive's director of marketing Russell Carroll (Wik, Ricochet) reveals the 92% piracy rate for one of his company's games, and what worked (and didn't work) when they tried to fix it.]
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=17350

So yes most pc gamers are pirates. Not all but most. It is a serious problem and it isn't comparable to consoles.

I've been trying to think of a witty and relevant way of introducing this video, but you know, I'm tired, so screw it, here's the link.

Your wrong, because the PS3 is unhackable and the 360 needs a modchip which is risky and requires you to open your console and void the warrenty.

PC piracy has no risks, and its a fact that games are pirated more than they are bought on PC.

ColdP1zza

How do you know there's no risk on PC and only risks on consoles?

I've been trying to think of a witty and relevant way of introducing this video, but you know, I'm tired, so screw it, here's the link.

MischiefmAker

[QUOTE="ColdP1zza"]

Your wrong, because the PS3 is unhackable and the 360 needs a modchip which is risky and requires you to open your console and void the warrenty.

PC piracy has no risks, and its a fact that games are pirated more than they are bought on PC.

siLVURcross

FALSE, wait whats false? this false that false, no im true/false EVERYTHING IS FALSE < what i just said was false, but whats true? FALSE

I think I'll go with the opinions of people that make games, not anonymous internet forum posters.

Crysis PC piracy ratio 20 to 1
http://digg.com/gaming_news/Crytek_PC_Game_Piracy_Ratio_Is_About_20_1

Software CEO Todd Hollenshead and Epic Games president Michael Capps both admitted that piracy of PC games caused their companies to pursue developing beyond the PC platform
http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/46079

Endwar delayed because of piracy, director claims that piracy is killing the pc
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/10/08/endwar-delayed-because-piracys-killing-pc/

Reflexive's director of marketing Russell Carroll (Wik, Ricochet) reveals the 92% piracy rate for one of his company's games, and what worked (and didn't work) when they tried to fix it.]
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=17350

So yes most pc gamers are pirates. Not all but most. It is a serious problem and it isn't comparable to consoles.

dc337

The broad sweeping assumption by people about hacking in this thread is incredible.

Comparinghacking a piece of hardware to a data network is just outrageous. And its the Department of Defense database that gets hacked. But you'd be a fool to believe these movies where any old joe can do it and not be tracked.

Everything is hackable, the biggest deterence for hackers is effort. If the effort is not justified by the reward, you will have less hackers.