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#1 Ultizer
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Crytek are single handedly keeping PC gaming alive and are keeping people upgrading their PC

They have their own website dedicated for mods just for you guys

how do you repay them?

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=19203

ive checked torrent sites, crysis and warhead were both pirated ALOT

Then you have a cry when Crytek put crysis 2 on consoles...

enjoy digging your own grave.

i dont want to come off as another troll, or make another PC gaming is dying Thread, i know for a fact consoles have piracy aswell, but piracy has never effected Console sales like it does with PC. PS2 had tons of piracy TONS, but "Total PlayStation 2 games shipped as of March 31, 2007: 1.24 billion"

Just really upsets me How great of a job Crytek and EA are doing with the PC, and you repay them by stealing their game.... dont Rant if EA puts DRM in Crysis 2, i wont.

Dont bring up valve and steam, they are not helping PC sales at all, infact they are making retail sales alot worse, take that as you will (awaits hordes of valve fanboys defending gabes honor)

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#2 mo0ksi
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You were dead wrong by the very first sentence.

I see no reason to read the rest, especially considering your posting history.

But regardless, explain to me just how Steam is not helping PC sales at all, when it's the primary reason why DD has emerged the way that it did on PC? How do you know that every copy pirated amounts to a lost sale?

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#3 Sky-
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Digital distribution is a bad thing now? Sure it hurts retailers, but it is good for the environment and ensures that a larger percentage of the profit goes to the developer.

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#4 ManicAce
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You seem to have a gaming rig in your sig..does that mean you make yourself sick?
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#5 ActicEdge
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Piracy is horrible. However, blaming PC gamers on a site like Gamespot where most PC gamers here do buy there games legally is horrible and I find it very accusatory and disrespectful frankly. Further more, piracy makes you sick? Man, you must not be pleasant to be round when something tragic or sad happens. Or you know, something that isn't games and actually matters occurs.

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#6 dont-read-this
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Really? A bunch of people over the internet make you angry. Sucks for you.
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Crytek are single handedly keeping PC gaming alive and are keeping people upgrading their PC

They have their own website dedicated for mods just for you guys

how do you repay them?

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=19203

ive checked torrent sites, crysis and warhead were both pirated ALOT

Then you have a cry when Crytek put crysis 2 on consoles...

enjoy digging your own grave.

i dont want to come off as another troll, or make another PC gaming is dying Thread, i know for a fact consoles have piracy aswell, but piracy has never effected Console sales like it does with PC. PS2 had tons of piracy TONS, but "Total PlayStation 2 games shipped as of March 31, 2007: 1.24 billion"

Just really upsets me How great of a job Crytek and EA are doing with the PC, and you repay them by stealing their game.... dont Rant if EA puts DRM in Crysis 2, i wont.

Dont bring up valve and steam, they are not helping PC sales at all, infact they are making retail sales alot worse, take that as you will (awaits hordes of valve fanboys defending gabes honor)

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Valve: Don't Believe The US Press, PC Gaming Is Alive And Well

in an interview with Good Game that slipped under the radar, Valve's business manager, Jason Holtman, said all the talk about PC gaming dieing because of some super-game console comes from "North America press looking at North American reports". "And North America retail reports don't have Europe in them, and they don't have online PCs on them, they don't have micro-transactions PCs in it. Steam has 20 million users right now and you've got figures like the Cartner Group tells us there's 260 million online PC gamers in the world

Valve: PC Gaming Alive and Well, But Developers Off Their Game

Valve's marketing vice president and frequent spokesman, Doug Lombardi, laughed off the idea that PC gaming is dying, but said other developers need to get with the program.

"I mean, I think, we sort of laugh at it," Lombardi said of increasingly high-pitched concerns over the viability of PC gaming in an interview with Shacknews.com

"Because we've been wildly successful - we're very fortunate, you know. Our games have all done really, really well, Steam has taken off and become this whole other business for us, Valve has never been in better shape - and yet everybody is talking about how in the PC world, the sky is falling," said Lombardi.

Lombardi pointed out that the sales data often cited to buttress claims of a dying PC industry do not include MMOG subscribers, Steam users, other customers of digital download services, or even other countries.

"NPD, god love 'em, they release a U.S. retail sales report, and people take that and say that's the world picture. And it's just not true...if people were looking at WoW's subscriptions alone and factoring it in, looking at Steam sales and factoring it in...Just look at what Popcap's doing - Bejeweled and Peggle and all this stuff - they're not in that NPD data."

Lombardi also said part of the brouhaha was effective PR by console makers and the absence of anything similar on the PC front.

"It is absolutely a perception problem. I mean one of the things that happens is - Microsoft has an army of PR people that work for Microsoft. They have at least two agencies that are additional armies. Nintendo I'm not as familiar with their PR outline, but I'm sure it's similar. Sony is similar. The PC has nobody," he said.

At the same time, Lombardi blasted developers for not taking accurate stock of what computers gamers have, and for aiming only at the high-end. He contrasted this with his own company, which conducts surveys twice a year to gauge the horsepower of gamers' computers.

"You know, it's hard to be able to have games that scale, and to write performance on the high end, and write performance on the bottom end, but you know, winning in any industry means some hard work, and there's a certain level of hard work that developers have to take responsibility for," he observed.

BioWare: PC gaming is in fine health

More PC players and more money being generated "than ever before"


The CEO of BioWare has told us that, contrary to numerous 'PC gaming is dying' claims, the sector's in fine health on a number of fronts.


I think there are more people playing PC games and more dollars being spent on the PC space than ever before, but it's taking a different form," Ray Muzyka said in a recent interview.


Developer Stardock Says Piracy Isn't Killing PC Gaming


There have been a lot of recent talks about the decline of PC gaming. Development studios are closing down, and companies are analysing the woes of the industry. One publisher, however, thinks it naïve to blame piracy for the decline of PC gaming sales. Stardock's latest, a space-based real-time strategy game called Sins of a Solar Empire, has sold roughly 200,000 copies since its release last month. So how has Stardock achieved success?

According to Brad Wardell, president and CEO of Stardock, (via the Sins of a Solar Empire forum) piracy is an issue, but he doesn't think it should be used as a scapegoat when a game doesn't sell. Wardwell states that there is a problem with the way that game developers currently look at the PC install base. "When you develop for a market, you don't go by the user base. You go by the potential customer base. That's what most software companies do. They base what they want to create on the size of the market they're developing for. But not PC game developers. PC game developers seem to focus more on the 'cool' factor. What game can they make that will get them glory with the game magazines and gaming websites and hard core gamers? These days, it seems like game developers want to be like rock stars more than businessmen," Wardell wrote.

Rather than trying to craft a game to get the most media coverage, Wardell approaches the situation from a financial point of view. "When I make a game, I focus on making games that I think will be the most profitable… when it comes time to make a game, I don't have a hard time thinking of a game I'd like to play. The hard part is coming up with a game that we can actually make that will be profitable. And that means looking at the market as a business not about trying to be 'cool'."

Following this approach, Wardell cites Sins of a Solar Empire's success. The game has received great critical praise, in addition to having sold nearly 200,000 copies in its first month; an amazing feat for a comparatively small budgeted title. Wardell cites the lack of copy protection on Sins of a Solar Empire as one of the myth busters to piracy killing PC gaming.

Study: PC Software Sales Up 3% To $13.1 Billion In 2009


The PC Gaming Alliance (PCGA), a non-profit PC gaming advocacy group, revealed a new research study indicating that PC gaming software revenues worldwide reached $13.1 billion in 2009, a 3 percent increase over the previous year.

That increase came in spite of decreased retail boxed sales for PC games, which suffered the "biggest downturn" out of all the sales categories PCGA tracked and now accounts for less than 20 percent of total software revenue for the year.

Digital distribution growth also largely offset losses in other PC gaming software categories. In its surveys of PC gamers in North America and Europe, the report found that 70 percent of respondents have purchased a full game online.

"The most notable trend in recent years has been the movement to digital distribution and payment for subscriptions, and the growing popularity with consumers of online games as a service," says PCGA president and Intel director Randy Stude.


Tales of PC gaming's death have been greatly exaggerated

The "death of PC gaming" has become reliable column and blog fodder for tech journalists. Perhaps it stems from lingering bitterness over time wasted editing Warcraft batch files in DOS 6.0. Regardless, you shouldn't take the idea seriously.

To prove it, we won't even lean on that most tempting pillar of PC gaming, the 12 million-strong World of Warcraft monthly subscription-paying player base. Instead we'll point to a report by Rock, Paper, Shotgun's Kieron Gillen from Britain's Develop 09 conference, specifically from a presentation on digital distribution.

Chart Track also estimated that digital distribution makes up 22 percent of the $13 billion global PC market, which boils down to $2.86 billion. If global digital distribution sales follow the same growth pattern that Chart Track projects for Steam for 2009, worldwide digital game sales will climb by $2.23 billion. That brings the global digital from from $2.86 billion in 2008 to almost $5.1 billion for 2009.

Now let's look at retail, in this case we'll use NPD's $701 million in U.S retail sales. Globally, Chart Track says PC retail sales represent 24 percent of the $13 billion pie, or $3.12 billion. That means NPD's $701 million figure represents approximately 23 percent of the worldwide retail market in 2008.

To recap our estimates for 2009:

* Global retail PC game sales: $2.37 billion (23% decrease)
* Global digital PC game sales: $5.09 billion (78% increase)
* Global in-game PC ad sales: $1.32 billion (26.8% increase)
* Global subscription and microtransactions: >$5.98 billion (unknown % increase)
* Total 2009 global PC game sales: $14.76 billion-plus (minimum 13.5% increase)

Blizzard: PC gaming is not dying out, BlizzCon proves it

In an interview with Gamasutra, Kevin Martens, Blizzard Lead Content Designer, revealed his opinion on the "PC gaming is dead" mentality that has been of much discussion lately. Martens feels that Blizzard counteracts this best by keeping system requirements low while making sure its games are still marketable.

"The death knell of PC has risen and fallen over the years, and we keep releasing PC games, and they keep doing incredibly well," said Martens. "I think that there is a market out there for PC games. The latest consoles are great; it's easy to get the game running and all that. They're useful.

"But everyone has a PC, and we try to keep our system requirements down as low as possible. That's one of the ways that we can make sure to appeal to enough people. Some of the really cutting edge games that come out for PC require a brand new video card and probably more RAM at least, if not a new CPU as well. That's really rare with Blizzard games. I think that's one of the reasons we still keep doing well.

"The best evidence that the PC market is not actually dying is the 20,000 people that showed up this year at Blizzcon, and the fact that those tickets sold out in one minute flat.

"That doesn't seem to me, that it's really good evidence, of a platform with a problem."


Sega: PC sales are stronger than reported

Growing digital sales mean that the charts don't tell the full PC games story

Publishing giant Sega has defended PC gaming, calling it a strong and vital market for the games industry.

Physical retail sales of PC games are continuing to slide in 2010, but Sega's UK MD John Clark says that isn't a fair representation of the market – with digital sales now accounting for a large proportion of revenue.

"The PC market is third in terms of its year-on-year performance with a decline of 26 per cent, but this doesn't really reflect the full picture," said Clark.

"The PC digital download business is now a viable sector but somewhat invisible as it's not yet covered by Chart-Track. The PC market overall is actually performing much better than is currently reported and remains a vital and strong sector to be involved in."

Sega was the second biggest UK PC publisher in 2009, with 12 per cent share of the market.

Meanwhile, year-to-date in 2010 the company has a 12.8 per cent share of the PC games sector. This was boosted by the strong performance last month of Aliens vs Predator, Napoleon: Total War, as well as continued sales of Football Manager 2010.

"Last month's PC chart illustrates Sega's position within this sector," added Clark.

"Napoleon: Total War, Football Manager 2010 and Aliens vs Predator are three different **** of game from three different genres. They can all drive a strong, community fan base with the ability to consistently deliver endless hours of gameplay. Incidentally, they are all developed in the UK.

"For 2009, Sega was ranked the second biggest PC publisher in the market. In 2010 year-to-date, we are once again ranked second. Long may it continue."

PC receives high-profile backing from EA

Whilst High Street sales of PC software can paint a picture of decline, the un-monitored online revenues coming from the format are drastically increasing – a fact that helped EA enjoy a strong performance on the format last year.

VG247 points out that EA released 32 PC games in its last fiscal year – far ahead of Xbox 360 (26), PS3 (23), DS (22), Wii (21), PS2 (14), PSP (8) and Xbox (1).

Revenues from EA's digital services hit $429m – up 27 per cent compared to the same period the year before.

"This is a big year for us [on PC]," said EA CFO Eric Brown. "The online part of our business is growing as much as 60 percent year over year.

"In terms of distribution, the way we look at a lot what's happening in the future is, we've got probably a billion PCs out there in the world. Very rapidly the PC is becoming the largest gaming platform in the world, just not in a packaged-good product."

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#8 lundy86_4
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Some dev/pubs find used game sales to be worse than piracy. After all, not every downloaded version is a lost sale.

On top of that, lol at Crytek being the only company keeping PC gaming alive.

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#9 JangoWuzHere
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TC, your making me sick because you are constainly bashing on the PC for no good reason.

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#11 Vexx88
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>Crytek are single handedly keeping PC gaming alive and are keeping people upgrading their PC :lol: Oh man you are funny guy. Ill be on Steam
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Your link only states that the CEO **SUGGESTS** piracy is that high. Sure, I do agree that Crysis was considerably pirated back and forward, but a lot (it is "a lot" not "ALOT" as you used, please see this) of it could be put down to the idea synonymous with Crysis being just a tech demo. Naturally this is wrong, Crysis is a very good game; that will not change the perception (especially in system wars where every thread is rap-d with screenshots) that it is just a tech demo.

I would counter your claim with the previous Crytek game; Far Cry. Far Cry was the Crysis of it's day. It was also pirated a lot. Crytek did not complain as avidly. It's a simple fact that more people have the internet than in 2004; more people have access to piracy. Piracy is ridiculously easy for ANY format or media. People also have more access/ability to spread propaganda about piracy, creating the illusion that piracy on the PC is rampant and literally no-one buys games anymore. You'd be wrong, because the user base has increased, awareness increased, but the actual percentage probably hasn't changed all that much.

Generation on generation respectively, console games could be easily more pirated this generation than last. Conezolesz gmz r dyin.

As for Crysis 2 on consoles, it was a linear step to take considering how advanced Crysis was for 2007 I am surprised Crytek actually thought it would sell well, as most video cards that could handle the game came out long, long after its release. Bundle that with the economy in tatters, and the lack of public spending then yes, it was almost inevitable that Crysis 2 would be multiplat. You'd be a fool to expect anything else on an open platform with no corporation backing development of games.

And digital distribution is the future. Disc media has been around for too long, get over yourself. PC gaming is the largest market, DD is furthering that.

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#13 lundy86_4
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Sigh can we just shut up about Steam and Valve plz, this is about Crytek, god damn fanboys.

also dont be a smart ass, you know what i mean by "it makes me sick" im angry that PC gamers pirate all these games then rant when they Get DRM.

Ultizer

You said Crytek is the only company keeping PC gaming alive. We showed how you were wrong, so now you want to dismiss it?

I love people who don't know how to debate, it's so much fun.

This is about as funny as you're

"PC gaming is Dead, its Official"

thread.

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Some dev/pubs find used game sales to be worse than piracy. After all, not every downloaded version is a lost sale.

On top of that, lol at Crytek being the one the few companies keeping PC gaming alive.

lundy86_4

*fixed

Man, devious742, your on crusade arent you :P

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#15 Vinegar_Strokes
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Sigh can we just shut up about Steam and Valve plz, this is about Crytek, god damn fanboys.

also dont be a smart ass, you know what i mean by "it makes me sick" im angry that PC gamers pirate all these games then rant when they Get DRM.

Ultizer
if your getting angry your taking this to seriously.
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#16 lundy86_4
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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Some dev/pubs find used game sales to be worse than piracy. After all, not every downloaded version is a lost sale.

On top of that, lol at Crytek being the one the few companies keeping PC gaming alive.

04dcarraher

*fixed

Man, devious742, your on crusade arent you :P

Wait, what did you fix?

I don't see a difference :P

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#17 JangoWuzHere
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[QUOTE="Ultizer"]

Sigh can we just shut up about Steam and Valve plz, this is about Crytek, god damn fanboys.

also dont be a smart ass, you know what i mean by "it makes me sick" im angry that PC gamers pirate all these games then rant when they Get DRM.

lundy86_4

You said Crytek is the only company keeping PC gaming alive. We showed how you were wrong, so now you want to dismiss it?

I love people who don't know how to debate, it's so much fun.

Ay TC is missing the entire point of System Wars:P
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#18 Ultizer
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im sorry but blizzard saying PC gaming isnt dead?

ROFL!

Wow runs on 8 year old PC's, SC2 specs run on my laptop from 2004

Most people that play Wow game on consoles because their low end PC's cant handle MW2, really go on a Wow server, ask trade if they game on PC, they will all say 'PS3 or 360" and then argue with each other which is the best console.

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Sigh can we just shut up about Steam and Valve plz, this is about Crytek, god damn fanboys.

also dont be a smart ass, you know what i mean by "it makes me sick" im angry that PC gamers pirate all these games then rant when they Get DRM.

Ultizer

avoiding my post heh

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#20 MerisYaki
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The lack of genres for PC is pukeworthy.

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#21 lundy86_4
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im sorry but blizzard saying PC gaming isnt dead?

ROFL!

Wow runs on 8 year old PC's, SC2 specs run on my laptop from 2004

Most people that play Wow game on consoles because their low end PC's cant handle MW2, really go on a Wow server, ask trade if they game on PC, they will all say 'PS3 or 360" and then argue with each other which is the best console.

Ultizer

Yes, your debating skills are revolutionary...

PC gamers am owned!!!

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#22 Ultizer
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[QUOTE="Ultizer"]

Sigh can we just shut up about Steam and Valve plz, this is about Crytek, god damn fanboys.

also dont be a smart ass, you know what i mean by "it makes me sick" im angry that PC gamers pirate all these games then rant when they Get DRM.

lundy86_4

You said Crytek is the only company keeping PC gaming alive. We showed how you were wrong, so now you want to dismiss it?

I love people who don't know how to debate, it's so much fun.

This is about as funny as you're

"PC gaming is Dead, its Official"

thread.

with your sig and avatar, im guessing your a 360 gaming? im sorry but you dont really have a valid opinion if you dont have a gaming PC, just saying

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Crytek are single handedly keeping PC gaming alive and are keeping people upgrading their PC

No it isn't, a $120 video card can play it on high.. And it only needs to be used with a cheaper Dual core and 4gb of ram (which is cheap as well)

They have their own website dedicated for mods just for you guys

... So do alot of developers..

how do you repay them?

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=19203

Uh huh, because CLEARLY your stereotyping and generalization of the entire pc gamer fan base are all pirates..

ive checked torrent sites, crysis and warhead were both pirated ALOT

Whats your point there are alot of torrents for all big games.. This doesn't mean they are not making alot of money.. Crysis was deemed as a success by its develoeprs..

Then you have a cry when Crytek put crysis 2 on consoles...

They didn't put it on consoles, they made it multiplat.. Something that devs on both sides are doing becuase its more porfitable putting it on multiple platforms then just one..

enjoy digging your own grave.

i dont want to come off as another troll, or make another PC gaming is dying Thread,

Well you failed miserably there..

i know for a fact consoles have piracy aswell, but piracy has never effected Console sales like it does with PC.

No the console has the Used games and rental industry.. Something that can be actually measured..

PS2 had tons of piracy TONS, but "Total PlayStation 2 games shipped as of March 31, 2007: 1.24 billion"

... Uh huh and the PC games are still a multi billion dollar industry..

Just really upsets me How great of a job Crytek and EA are doing with the PC, and you repay them by stealing their game.... dont Rant if EA puts DRM in Crysis 2, i wont.

There was a DRM in the first one.. There is DRM in every game.. Outside of making a cracked copy come alittle later it can hinder real purchasers at times depending on how ridiculous the DRM is..

Dont bring up valve and steam, they are not helping PC sales at all, infact they are making retail sales alot worse, take that as you will (awaits hordes of valve fanboys defending gabes honor)

... Ya uh huh.. What does retail sales mean anymore? Direct Download is a booming industry, I don't understand your poitn here.. You ARE a troll here.. Because that doesn't hurt nor hinder pc gaming what so ever.. It infact makes it better because games are being made moer available for the entire population through these direct download services..

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#24 LordRork
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You dig up a two year old article? Wow, current affairs! :P

And as for DRM, I don't mind as long as it's executed correctly. Some DRM systems are just plain stupid (always requiring an internet connection) or optimistic (limiting the number of installs). Steam, after all, is both a store and a form of DRM - Steam works quite well at both.

I only recently got into the Crysis scene, and guess what? I bought it. I suppose I could have gone all piratical, but I like to have a physical disc and I like to support good quality material. So Crysis is still making money (at least from me) two years after it came out and has more than likely just got them another Crysis 2 sale.

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#25 lundy86_4
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The lack of genres for PC is pukeworthy.

MerisYaki

RPG's, FPS, Sims, Racing, RTS, Adventure, MMO's, plus a plethora of sub-genres isn't really pukeworthy.

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#26 Arach666
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The lack of genres for PC is pukeworthy.

MerisYaki
And what migth those be?
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#27 JangoWuzHere
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The lack of genres for PC is pukeworthy.

MerisYaki
Lacking in what? Consoles are lacking in genres as well(Ie MMOs, RTS, Turn based, Simulations, Flying sims, Adventure, etc)
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#28 -Feath-
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im sorry but blizzard saying PC gaming isnt dead?

ROFL!

Wow runs on 8 year old PC's, SC2 specs run on my laptop from 2004

Most people that play Wow game on consoles because their low end PC's cant handle MW2, really go on a Wow server, ask trade if they game on PC, they will all say 'PS3 or 360" and then argue with each other which is the best console.

Ultizer

Starcraft 2 will not run on your laptop from 2004. Learn to use hyperbole in your favour rather than against yourself. WoW has over 10 million players, of course there is going to be a wide demographic within. If Blizzard games are so hardware-lax, why haven't they jumped on the console band wagon toting on the end of Cliffy B's d**k? There isn't the market there, PC gaming exists for a reason. You need an open platform to do things better than a closed platform.

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#29 lundy86_4
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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="Ultizer"]

Sigh can we just shut up about Steam and Valve plz, this is about Crytek, god damn fanboys.

also dont be a smart ass, you know what i mean by "it makes me sick" im angry that PC gamers pirate all these games then rant when they Get DRM.

Ultizer

You said Crytek is the only company keeping PC gaming alive. We showed how you were wrong, so now you want to dismiss it?

I love people who don't know how to debate, it's so much fun.

This is about as funny as you're

"PC gaming is Dead, its Official"

thread.

with your sig and avatar, im guessing your a 360 gaming? im sorry but you dont really have a valid opinion if you dont have a gaming PC, just saying

Well you would be wrong. I own a 360, PS3, Wii and a gaming PC (4870, e8400 @ 4ghz).

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#30 deactivated-59d151f079814
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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="Ultizer"]

Sigh can we just shut up about Steam and Valve plz, this is about Crytek, god damn fanboys.

also dont be a smart ass, you know what i mean by "it makes me sick" im angry that PC gamers pirate all these games then rant when they Get DRM.

Ultizer

You said Crytek is the only company keeping PC gaming alive. We showed how you were wrong, so now you want to dismiss it?

I love people who don't know how to debate, it's so much fun.

This is about as funny as you're

"PC gaming is Dead, its Official"

thread.

with your sig and avatar, im guessing your a 360 gaming? im sorry but you dont really have a valid opinion if you dont have a gaming PC, just saying

Your assumptions are only makin a greater fool of your self, while trolling.. It doesn't make a difference even if he haves one to point out how ridiculous yoru argument is.

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sadly pc gamers do steal lots of games. DRM just keeps coming because of this .

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#32 Snugenz
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im sorry but blizzard saying PC gaming isnt dead?

ROFL!

Wow runs on 8 year old PC's, SC2 specs run on my laptop from 2004

Most people that play Wow game on consoles because their low end PC's cant handle MW2, really go on a Wow server, ask trade if they game on PC, they will all say 'PS3 or 360" and then argue with each other which is the best console.

Ultizer

I've been playing WoW for 4 years, and i've never ever seen that in trade, we get all of the usual fads but i've never seen the console war being discussed.

Maybe your on US servers and it happens there, but as far as every EU realm i've played on, i've never seen it.

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#33 devious742
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im sorry but blizzard saying PC gaming isnt dead?

ROFL!

Wow runs on 8 year old PC's, SC2 specs run on my laptop from 2004

Most people that play Wow game on consoles because their low end PC's cant handle MW2, really go on a Wow server, ask trade if they game on PC, they will all say 'PS3 or 360" and then argue with each other which is the best console.

Ultizer

Im pretty sure that the time it took you to type that... Blizzard made another million dollars

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#34 Ultizer
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You dig up a two year old article? Wow, current affairs! :P

And as for DRM, I don't mind as long as it's executed correctly. Some DRM systems are just plain stupid (always requiring an internet connection) or optimistic (limiting the number of installs). Steam, after all, is both a store and a form of DRM - Steam works quite well at both.

I only recently got into the Crysis scene, and guess what? I bought it. I suppose I could have gone all piratical, but I like to have a physical disc and I like to support good quality material. So Crysis is still making money (at least from me) two years after it came out and has more than likely just got them another Crysis 2 sale.

LordRork

Glad you paid for it, my cousin always buys his PC games, he said something like this why he doesnt pirate "you could just wake up and the indsutry is gone, its gone"

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#35 deactivated-59d151f079814
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Sigh can we just shut up about Steam and Valve plz, this is about Crytek, god damn fanboys.

also dont be a smart ass, you know what i mean by "it makes me sick" im angry that PC gamers pirate all these games then rant when they Get DRM.

Ultizer

You don't say? A company found it more profitable to release their product on more then one platform! My god man you should write a whole new theory in economics about this, its genious!

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#36 -Feath-
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sadly pc gamers do steal lots of games. DRM just keeps coming because of this .

dontshackzmii
You would have to be incredibly naive to think that this problem is PC only. In 2008, when Spore was released with limited installations, everyone went NUTS. It was the foot in the door though, nowadays people would be actively GLAD for some trash like that, as opposed to the ridiculous things Ubisoft are shoving on gamers. It will get worse from here, and consoles are not excluded. Treat a customer like a criminal from the get go, and don't be surprised when your game doesn't sell well. Look at valve. No DRM in their games. Free updates across the board. Communities that grow and nourish around a game. They are incredibly successful.
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#37 deactivated-59d151f079814
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[QUOTE="LordRork"]

You dig up a two year old article? Wow, current affairs! :P

And as for DRM, I don't mind as long as it's executed correctly. Some DRM systems are just plain stupid (always requiring an internet connection) or optimistic (limiting the number of installs). Steam, after all, is both a store and a form of DRM - Steam works quite well at both.

I only recently got into the Crysis scene, and guess what? I bought it. I suppose I could have gone all piratical, but I like to have a physical disc and I like to support good quality material. So Crysis is still making money (at least from me) two years after it came out and has more than likely just got them another Crysis 2 sale.

Ultizer

Glad you paid for it, my cousin always buys his PC games, he said something like this why he doesnt pirate "you could just wake up and the indsutry is gone, its gone"


The industry will never be gone :| Its a open platform.. Just because devs like Epic can't cut the mustard to their liking doesn't some how make that smaller devs like Egosoft or Relic (less known at least) arn't gonna make it.. The PC has always been about lesser known games.. This huge hype for games is really only a new thing coming this gen.. Things like Half-Life were a sleeper hit from a small dev most didn't hear about before..

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#38 Arach666
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sadly pc gamers do steal lots of games. DRM just keeps coming because of this .

dontshackzmii

Aparently,the publishers are starting to realise that the console used games market is pretty bad as well...EA,THQ and Ubisoft are already starting to figth it. Don´t worry,it will become standard for the consoles in no time as well.

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#39 Mystic-G
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Me thinks TC is a fakeboy, just trying to make his posts seem more relevant since they're all anti-PC gaming.

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#40 deactivated-59d151f079814
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[QUOTE="dontshackzmii"]

sadly pc gamers do steal lots of games. DRM just keeps coming because of this .

-Feath-

You would have to be incredibly naive to think that this problem is PC only. In 2008, when Spore was released with limited installations, everyone went NUTS. It was the foot in the door though, nowadays people would be actively GLAD for some trash like that, as opposed to the ridiculous things Ubisoft are shoving on gamers. It will get worse from here, and consoles are not excluded. Treat a customer like a criminal from the get go, and don't be surprised when your game doesn't sell well. Look at valve. No DRM in their games. Free updates across the board. Communities that grow and nourish around a game. They are incredibly successful.

Not to mention console devs are already taking steps to curb or get some kind of money from the rental or used game industries.. This was clear witht eh use of DLC content given to peopel for free if they bought it..

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#41 Ultizer
Member since 2010 • 1037 Posts

[QUOTE="Ultizer"]

im sorry but blizzard saying PC gaming isnt dead?

ROFL!

Wow runs on 8 year old PC's, SC2 specs run on my laptop from 2004

Most people that play Wow game on consoles because their low end PC's cant handle MW2, really go on a Wow server, ask trade if they game on PC, they will all say 'PS3 or 360" and then argue with each other which is the best console.

devious742

Im pretty that the time it took you to type that... Blizzard made another million dollars

Diablo 3 is gonna come on consoles, Blizzard are not what they used to be, 25 dollar horse mounts? Buying SC2 3 times? No lan? Blizzard soldout and dont use Bobby kotick or activision as a scapegoat to defend blizzards honor.

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#42 The-Mosher
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[QUOTE="devious742"]

[QUOTE="Ultizer"]

im sorry but blizzard saying PC gaming isnt dead?

ROFL!

Wow runs on 8 year old PC's, SC2 specs run on my laptop from 2004

Most people that play Wow game on consoles because their low end PC's cant handle MW2, really go on a Wow server, ask trade if they game on PC, they will all say 'PS3 or 360" and then argue with each other which is the best console.

Ultizer

Im pretty that the time it took you to type that... Blizzard made another million dollars

Diablo 3 is gonna come on consoles, Blizzard are not what they used to be, 25 dollar horse mounts? Buying SC2 3 times? No lan? Blizzard soldout and dont use Bobby kotick or activision as a scapegoat to defend blizzards honor.

All that's listed for the platforms that Diablo 3 is going to be released on is PC and Mac. Why do you insists on not sticking to the facts?
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#43 deactivated-59d151f079814
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[QUOTE="devious742"]

[QUOTE="Ultizer"]

im sorry but blizzard saying PC gaming isnt dead?

ROFL!

Wow runs on 8 year old PC's, SC2 specs run on my laptop from 2004

Most people that play Wow game on consoles because their low end PC's cant handle MW2, really go on a Wow server, ask trade if they game on PC, they will all say 'PS3 or 360" and then argue with each other which is the best console.

Ultizer

Im pretty that the time it took you to type that... Blizzard made another million dollars

Diablo 3 is gonna come on consoles,

Uh huh just like all their other games.. Oh wait..

Blizzard are not what they used to be, 25 dollar horse mounts?

Thats for a optional item that you don't need and add nothing special to the game outside of looks..

Buying SC2 3 times?

Bad troll is bad.. Every blizzard game has been jam pakced full of content.. You will spend more time in each game if your a RTS fan then a person will spend in something like God of War.. They have already stated it will have close to a 15 to 20 hour campaign in each one, along with new multiplayer etc etc..

No lan? Blizzard soldout and dont use Bobby kotick or activision as a scapegoat to defend blizzards honor.

Actually there is lan support you just have to sign in first.. Seeing as just about every one who has a lan is connected online, this is a weak complaint.

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#44 Ultizer
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[QUOTE="Ultizer"]

[QUOTE="LordRork"]

You dig up a two year old article? Wow, current affairs! :P

And as for DRM, I don't mind as long as it's executed correctly. Some DRM systems are just plain stupid (always requiring an internet connection) or optimistic (limiting the number of installs). Steam, after all, is both a store and a form of DRM - Steam works quite well at both.

I only recently got into the Crysis scene, and guess what? I bought it. I suppose I could have gone all piratical, but I like to have a physical disc and I like to support good quality material. So Crysis is still making money (at least from me) two years after it came out and has more than likely just got them another Crysis 2 sale.

sSubZerOo

Glad you paid for it, my cousin always buys his PC games, he said something like this why he doesnt pirate "you could just wake up and the indsutry is gone, its gone"


The industry will never be gone :| Its a open platform.. Just because devs like Epic can't cut the mustard to their liking doesn't some how make that smaller devs like Egosoft or Relic (less known at least) arn't gonna make it.. The PC has always been about lesser known games.. This huge hype for games is really only a new thing coming this gen.. Things like Half-Life were a sleeper hit from a small dev most didn't hear about before..

The PC gaming industry could go, dont kid yourself and think it wont, its nearly dead allready.

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#45 devious742
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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="Ultizer"]

Glad you paid for it, my cousin always buys his PC games, he said something like this why he doesnt pirate "you could just wake up and the indsutry is gone, its gone"

Ultizer


The industry will never be gone :| Its a open platform.. Just because devs like Epic can't cut the mustard to their liking doesn't some how make that smaller devs like Egosoft or Relic (less known at least) arn't gonna make it.. The PC has always been about lesser known games.. This huge hype for games is really only a new thing coming this gen.. Things like Half-Life were a sleeper hit from a small dev most didn't hear about before..

The PC gaming industry could go, dont kid yourself and think it wont, its nearly dead allready.

Study: PC Software Sales Up 3% To $13.1 Billion In 2009

The PC Gaming Alliance (PCGA), a non-profit PC gaming advocacy group, revealed a new research study indicating that PC gaming software revenues worldwide reached $13.1 billion in 2009, a 3 percent increase over the previous year.

That increase came in spite of decreased retail boxed sales for PC games, which suffered the "biggest downturn" out of all the sales categories PCGA tracked and now accounts for less than 20 percent of total software revenue for the year.

Digital distribution growth also largely offset losses in other PC gaming software categories. In its surveys of PC gamers in North America and Europe, the report found that 70 percent of respondents have purchased a full game online.

"The most notable trend in recent years has been the movement to digital distribution and payment for subscriptions, and the growing popularity with consumers of online games as a service," says PCGA president and Intel director Randy Stude.

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#46 lundy86_4
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The PC gaming industry could go, dont kid yourself and think it wont, its nearly dead allready.

Ultizer

Ok, let's do this legitmately. Provide me with facts, including links, plus a well thought out argument about how PC gaming is dying.

I will await the results.

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#47 deactivated-59d151f079814
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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="Ultizer"]

Glad you paid for it, my cousin always buys his PC games, he said something like this why he doesnt pirate "you could just wake up and the indsutry is gone, its gone"

Ultizer


The industry will never be gone :| Its a open platform.. Just because devs like Epic can't cut the mustard to their liking doesn't some how make that smaller devs like Egosoft or Relic (less known at least) arn't gonna make it.. The PC has always been about lesser known games.. This huge hype for games is really only a new thing coming this gen.. Things like Half-Life were a sleeper hit from a small dev most didn't hear about before..

The PC gaming industry could go, dont kid yourself and think it wont, its nearly dead allready.

You have no clue what your talking about then. :| This gen alone the PC has more AA's then every home console combined this gen.. And its comparable in AAAs as well.. But thats enough argueing about this flamebait from a clear troll..

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#48 -Feath-
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Diablo 3 is gonna come on consoles, Blizzard are not what they used to be, 25 dollar horse mounts? Buying SC2 3 times? No lan? Blizzard soldout and dont use Bobby kotick or activision as a scapegoat to defend blizzards honor.Ultizer
Oh really? Nice assumption. Every single post and your logic is all based around these magical ideas that come out your head. You are such a bad troll. While I would agree that Blizzard have gotten greedy, I would suggest you realise they got greedy a number of years before Activision was the "evil company" of the year. The amount of players in WoW that still buy those things tells them that there is a viable market there, they are doing the obvious thing and capitalizing on it. One thing remained constant though, the amazing quality of their games. 25$ mounts are OPTIONAL, pc gaming is about choice (which you would know if you were actually a PC gamer). Do you know how short the campaigns are in Starcraft, compared to Starcraft 2? The fact that you are able to buy 3 full length titles (30 hours~) should show you just how much content there is in the game. There is LAN, it just needs to be authenticated through the web. If you're a PC gamer, there is a very high chance you have a constant web connection. This is 2010, not 2003.
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#49 LordRork
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So what if Diablo 3 is on consoles? If I were a software developer, I'd want my game on as many systems as possible, too. It would mean more money for me.

(Only as an RTS developer would I shy away from consoles)

The PC gaming industry could go, dont kid yourself and think it wont, its nearly dead allready.

Ultizer

Prove it. Let's see some hard facts rather than your opinion.

I don't mind a qualititative argument about the merits of the PC, but if you're going to make statements like that you're going to have to back it up.

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#50 Ultizer
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[QUOTE="Ultizer"]

[QUOTE="devious742"] Im pretty that the time it took you to type that... Blizzard made another million dollars

sSubZerOo

Diablo 3 is gonna come on consoles,

Uh huh just like all their other games.. Oh wait..

Blizzard are not what they used to be, 25 dollar horse mounts?

Thats for a optional item that you don't need and add nothing special to the game outside of looks..

i cant wait to see what you have to say when blizzard start selling Tier 11 in cata

Buying SC2 3 times?

Bad troll is bad.. Every blizzard game has been jam pakced full of content.. You will spend more time in each game if your a RTS fan then a person will spend in something like God of War.. They have already stated it will have close to a 15 to 20 hour campaign in each one, along with new multiplayer etc etc..

No lan? Blizzard soldout and dont use Bobby kotick or activision as a scapegoat to defend blizzards honor.

Actually there is lan support you just have to sign in first.. Seeing as just about every one who has a lan is connected online, this is a weak complaint.

ive seen blizzard fanboys like you, calling people trolls when someone doesnt share the same opinion on blizzard as you, Chris metzen is a plagiarizer, Blizzard should have got in trouble ages ago.