PC Gamers, Piracy isn't problem amirite? Ubi says otherwise

What's the problem this DRM is trying to address?
Ubi are increasingly concerned about piracy on the PC. "It's a huge problem - you know it, I know it, other people know it. It really is a very important issue that all serious companies need to address," says their spokesperson. But they also believe that their online services will make PC gaming better. "The real idea is that if you offer a game that is better when you buy it, then people will actually buy it. We wouldn't have built it if we thought that it was really going to piss off our customers."

Are Ubisoft trying to kill PC gaming?

One theory states that piracy is such a problem on PC that they'd prefer to move their customers to the Xbox or PS3. Their spokesperson disagrees. "No, we're not trying to kill the PC market. Are we frustrated by the PC market? I think everyone is. In the end it all comes back to one single truth: piracy is a big, huge, hairy problem. It's a market that suffered a lot because of piracy, and we're all just trying to figure out what we think is the best way to deal with it."

http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/news/53...tion-Interview

So, Hermits...piracy isn't a big deal or anything, right?

The lack of big PC exclusives should be a sign that its killing PC Gaming slowly, notice how the big games are starting thin out?

Only reason piracy wasn't big during the PC golden days was because the connections were too slow.

The reason for no 'big blockbuster' PC exclusives is because no one is behind PC gaming in the same way MS and Sony are behind their consoles. They pour money into developing these exclusive titles to intice console sales.

The reason for no 'big blockbuster' PC exclusives is because no one is behind PC gaming in the same way MS and Sony are behind their consoles. They pour money into developing these exclusive titles to intice console sales.

AAllxxjjnn

PC gaming isnt dying and it never will.

Pretty much. Anyone with a gaming rig who knows how to use google.com could pirate a game.SaltyMeatballs

PC gaming has no 'big' exclusives due to the fact that there's no first party developers for PC. Anyway wasn't PC gaming supposed to be dead by 2003 according to console fanboys?

well let's see... you've got hypothetically lost sales through Piracy

then you've got real world lost sales through DRM

now judging that Ubisoft has no control over piracy, but they do have control over DRM, what would a smart person do? **** about the hypothetical lost sales? or remove the DRM and make some real sales in the meantime? yeah...

piracy hurts the industry, so does the piracy on consoles and they also have used game sales problems.ferret-gamer

PC gaming has no 'big' exclusives due to the fact that there's no first party developers for PC. Anyway wasn't PC gaming supposed to be dead by 2003 according to console fanboys?

Vesica_Prime

well let's see... you've got hypothetically lost sales through Piracy

then you've got real world lost sales through DRM

now judging that Ubisoft has no control over piracy, but they do have control over DRM, what would a smart person do? **** about the hypothetical lost sales? or remove the DRM and make some real sales in the meantime? yeah...

88mphSlayer

btw quality games like Sins of a solar empire doesnt have any drm... yet it still sold very well

It´s not going to take much time until ubisoft realises that this will never work. EA´s securom failed. This will fail as well.

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]piracy hurts the industry, so does the piracy on consoles and they also have used game sales problems.XenogearsMaster

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

PC gaming has no 'big' exclusives due to the fact that there's no first party developers for PC. Anyway wasn't PC gaming supposed to be dead by 2003 according to console fanboys?

XenogearsMaster

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]piracy hurts the industry, so does the piracy on consoles and they also have used game sales problems.XenogearsMaster

Piracy is definitely a growing concern... I'd learn to live with drastic anti-piracy measures, if they actually worked though.

I guess only time will tell, but if pirates are able to play the game, ubisoft would have spent a lot of money developing this for nothing and probably stop publishing AAA titles for the pc.

Honestly, i think thats exactly whats going to happen. its not going to stop pirates and sales will be even lower with the bad rep for the drm.

I cant blame them for trying this, but wouldve preferred if they gave it a shot with a title that most pc gamers actually cared about. That being said i dont think ubisoft owns an IP that gets pc gamers all that excited to begin with.

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]piracy hurts the industry, so does the piracy on consoles and they also have used game sales problems.XenogearsMaster

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]

The reason for no 'big blockbuster' PC exclusives is because no one is behind PC gaming in the same way MS and Sony are behind their consoles. They pour money into developing these exclusive titles to intice console sales.

Instashot

You'd be surprised at the amount of piracy done on consoles.People who have no idea about tech simply go to shops to get their systems modded. So it's not a matter of how tech savy you are, but how much money you're willing to spend.

Cliff Bleszinski is correct - the piracy of PC games has led to the removal of games like Gears of War 2,Dead Space 2 and I think Alan Wake (not too sure) for PC...

Ubi is probably scared of how piracy might affect the sales of their upcoming titles on PC. Piracy is really troublesome for any developer/industry.

Hermits: "Ubisoft is wrong. Piracy is not killing PC gaming but it actually helps PC gaming." LOL.XenogearsMaster

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]piracy hurts the industry, so does the piracy on consoles and they also have used game sales problems.XenogearsMaster

You mock Hermits for claiming piracy is good for PC gaming (I'd love to see some examples of that btw) and then you claim it doesn't impact the consoles; which console manufacturers themselves claim it does.

The cognotive dissonance on these forums is as strong as ever I see.

You cannot keep changing the date as to when PC gaming is "supposed" to die. First it's "EA is killing PC gaming, therefore it's dead." Then it's "Infinity Ward is killing PC gaming therefore it's dead," and now it's "Ubisoft is killing PC gaming, therefore it's dead." Pick a date or stop trying. 25 years has been long enough.

Console gamers shouldn't criticise things they do not understand.

They love to utilize piracy to paint PC gaming as a dying platform, as if they needed a excuse. But here's the facts...

PC gaming is still here after decades of piracy supposedly killing it; and more 3rd party developers choose to support PC than console gaming. Developers choose to makes games for PC exclusively, consoles have to pay most developers to remain exclusive.

Let's talk about that shall we? How PC is still beating consoles with 3rd party exclusivity; even with piracy. Explain that one if piracy is such a big issue.

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

PC gaming has no 'big' exclusives due to the fact that there's no first party developers for PC. Anyway wasn't PC gaming supposed to be dead by 2003 according to console fanboys?

XenogearsMaster

Wait, I though PC gaming was dead with MW2? Wait, it was already dead with Crysis announced on consoles. No, that's not right, it was dead long before that, when nVidia started failing. You might as well pick a goddamn date so we won't be bothered with the "PC gaming is dying" mantra. It's not like it's going to convince anyone to give up on their platform.

piracy hurts the industry, so does the piracy on consoles and they also have used game sales problems.ferret-gamer

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]

The reason for no 'big blockbuster' PC exclusives is because no one is behind PC gaming in the same way MS and Sony are behind their consoles. They pour money into developing these exclusive titles to intice console sales.

Instashot

Um, 360 games get pirated to hell and back..and back to hell again.

Ya..it r be s0 saef!

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]

The reason for no 'big blockbuster' PC exclusives is because no one is behind PC gaming in the same way MS and Sony are behind their consoles. They pour money into developing these exclusive titles to intice console sales.

Instashot

Sorry, but this is BS.At least give us your credentials if you're the CEO of Ubisoft.

PC gaming isnt dying and it never will.

kozzy1234

I think most people would agree that PC gaming won't die any time soon. But PC gaming is a far cry from what it once was. There was an age where games were primarily developed for PC. All ports to any other platform are a secondary choice. Now it has been reversed. Most games are primarily for console, and the PC port is secondary.....with the exception of a few games like Dragon Age, and not to mention exclusive games from Blizzard.

It's sad being an 'PC only' gamer because you have to wait months for games like Assassin's Creed II and Halo 3, and back then Gears of War, Biochock 1. Never getting Gears of War II. Not to mention missing out on MGS4, Uncharted 2, Demon's Souls and such.

PC is no longer the best platform to get the best experience for games. You'll get the best settings, but the least games.

How can you say these things with a straight face?

You mock Hermits for claiming piracy is good for PC gaming (I'd love to see some examples of that btw) and then you claim it doesn't impact the consoles; which console manufacturers themselves claim it does.

The cognotive dissonance on these forums is as strong as ever I see.

Danm_999

Ignore that cow, he does this in every PC thread. Just ignore him.

How PC is still beating consoles with 3rd party exclusivity; even with piracy. Explain that one if piracy is such a big issue.AnnoyedDragon

[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"] How PC is still beating consoles with 3rd party exclusivity; even with piracy. Explain that one if piracy is such a big issue.Instashot

Again, you're going to need a better argument than this.

[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"] How PC is still beating consoles with 3rd party exclusivity; even with piracy. Explain that one if piracy is such a big issue.Instashot

Gonna give the low level a straight answer with the chance that he isn't a troll. You do know that 50% of each consoles library is on the PC right?

I think most people would agree that PC gaming won't die any time soon. But PC gaming is a far cry from what it once was.

jhcho2

Tunnel vision rears it's ugly head again.

Why is it the people who say "PC gaming isn't want it used to be" seem incapable of recognising that console gaming has changed as well? Console gaming has changed, a lot, it has lost lots of its significance.

Doesn't it occur to you to note that both PC and console gaming has changed? That both have reduced in significance in favour of a cross platform/one size fits all industry model?

I don't get this mentality that a lowest common denominator build games = PC owned/consoles rules. Is PS3 being fully utilized in cross platform games? No. Is 360? No. So why on Earth are you criticising PC for not being targeted in games designed to run on three different platforms?

It's tunnel vision, recognising what happens on PC but not when the exact same thing is happening on consoles as well.

The reason for no 'big blockbuster' PC exclusives is because no one is behind PC gaming in the same way MS and Sony are behind their consoles. They pour money into developing these exclusive titles to intice console sales.

AAllxxjjnn

Hmmm....TC is level 3 with 31 posts and already trolling like a pro.

Ban dodger?

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]

The reason for no 'big blockbuster' PC exclusives is because no one is behind PC gaming in the same way MS and Sony are behind their consoles. They pour money into developing these exclusive titles to intice console sales.

General_X

Which is why it isn't valid when a console gamer attempts to use these games to criticise PC.

Sony's/Microsoft's willingness to invest in their own platform is not evidence developers prefer to bring these sort of games to consoles over PC. By every right no platform should have these sort of games, because their development costs make them impractical as exclusives. They are only exclusive because they are paid/funded to be exclusive, which is hardly a indication of a platforms strength or its appeal to developers.

If anything it speaks badly of console gaming. PC has a very large exclusive line-up compared to consoles; and while they may not be high budget blockbusters they are all developers who chose to become PC exclusive. Console gaming has far less exclusives compared to PC, yet even then a good portion of the exclusives they do get are paid for.

PC is doing this despite piracy and despite lacking any financial support from a 1st party, console gamers are in no position to criticise.