PC gamers would have had a lot more standout exclusives like Crysis if....

Assassins creed DOES NOT require 3GB RAM, if youve read the thread then you should know.

Crysis was NOT our biggest game, it was a game with outstanding potential, it was NOT our best game.

STALKER: Shadows of Chernobyl has sold nearly 2 million, an amazing game that came out of nowhere, its bigger than Crysis.

But console fanboys seem to love Marketing so they believe because Crysis got all this advertisement that it was out best game :roll: ... best graphically, and excellent single player.

Most games, Most AAAs,Most AAs,Most exclusives, Biggest Market Share.

/end thread.

Once again, the PC does have tons of standout exclusives like Stalker, SOASE, and Witcher who have all sold over 1 million in their first month, and could conceivably go on to atleast 14 million over their life span. Vandalvideo

There is no way those games will get to 14m.. or even combined. Or even half that combined.

Thats more then Half Life 2.. or WoW. Thats Sims type sales, thats not going to happen.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] Once again, the PC does have tons of standout exclusives like Stalker, SOASE, and Witcher who have all sold over 1 million in their first month, and could conceivably go on to atleast 14 million over their life span. user_nat

There is no way those games will get to 14m.. or even combined. Or even half that combined.

Thats more then Half Life 2.. or WoW. Thats Sims type sales, thats not going to happen.

pcs have loads of exclusive quality titles. they just don't have the mass casual appeal that a console does because it has the nerd stigma attached to it and they take understanding to get the most out of. as you may have guessed i'm not a pc gamer.my_name_is_ron

Finally we have met one with sense!!!!

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] Once again, the PC does have tons of standout exclusives like Stalker, SOASE, and Witcher who have all sold over 1 million in their first month, and could conceivably go on to atleast 14 million over their life span. user_nat

There is no way those games will get to 14m.. or even combined. Or even half that combined.

Thats more then Half Life 2.. or WoW. Thats Sims type sales, thats not going to happen.

Starcraft one battlechest is the number 3-4 ranked top strategy seller for ebgames for last year. Incase you didn't know starcraft is a 10 year old game.. I'm pretty sure it hit 20million by now.

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3160045

Link for ya.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] Once again, the PC does have tons of standout exclusives like Stalker, SOASE, and Witcher who have all sold over 1 million in their first month, and could conceivably go on to atleast 14 million over their life span. user_nat

There is no way those games will get to 14m.. or even combined. Or even half that combined.

Thats more then Half Life 2.. or WoW. Thats Sims type sales, thats not going to happen.

Actually WoW may be hitting 20~30 million sales at retail. People are only counting active subscriptions, but there are plenty of people who stopped playing. But yes 14m is a bit much for those titles.

pcs have loads of exclusive quality titles. they just don't have the mass casual appeal that a console does because it has the nerd stigma attached to it and they take understanding to get the most out of. as you may have guessed i'm not a pc gamer.my_name_is_ron

say that in Europe and you'll get laughed at. A lot...

[QUOTE="user_nat"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] Once again, the PC does have tons of standout exclusives like Stalker, SOASE, and Witcher who have all sold over 1 million in their first month, and could conceivably go on to atleast 14 million over their life span. _Pedro_

There is no way those games will get to 14m.. or even combined. Or even half that combined.

Thats more then Half Life 2.. or WoW. Thats Sims type sales, thats not going to happen.

Actually WoW may be hitting 20~30 million sales at retail. People are only counting active subscriptions, but there are plenty of people who stopped playing. But yes 14m is a bit much for those titles.

pcs have loads of exclusive quality titles. they just don't have the mass casual appeal that a console does because it has the nerd stigma attached to it and they take understanding to get the most out of. as you may have guessed i'm not a pc gamer.my_name_is_ron

say that in Europe and you'll get laughed at. A lot...

i am in europe...

[QUOTE="my_name_is_ron"]pcs have loads of exclusive quality titles. they just don't have the mass casual appeal that a console does because it has the nerd stigma attached to it and they take understanding to get the most out of. as you may have guessed i'm not a pc gamer._Pedro_

say that in Europe and you'll get laughed at. A lot...

Meh in the western hemisphere he is right. Even where I live it's like that. When I went to the US it was like that, hence they reason this board calls us Hermits in the first place. It's a stereotype thing over here.

[QUOTE="user_nat"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] Once again, the PC does have tons of standout exclusives like Stalker, SOASE, and Witcher who have all sold over 1 million in their first month, and could conceivably go on to atleast 14 million over their life span. jangojay

There is no way those games will get to 14m.. or even combined. Or even half that combined.

Thats more then Half Life 2.. or WoW. Thats Sims type sales, thats not going to happen.

Starcraft one battlechest is the number 3-4 ranked top strategy seller for ebgames for last year. Incase you didn't know starcraft is a 10 year old game.. I'm pretty sure it hit 20million by now.

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3160045

Link for ya.

None of the games you listed are starcraft.. Whats starcraft got to do with anything? Thats like someone pulling out saying "Halo 3 sold 8million.. that means [insert generic shooter here] will also sell 8 million!". I didn't say PC games don't sell, Some of them sell really, really well. I did say that those particular games listed won't sell anywhere near as high as said though.

None of the games you listed are starcraft.. Whats starcraft got to do with anything? Thats like someone pulling out saying "Halo 3 sold 8million.. that means [insert generic shooter here] will also sell 8 million!". I didn't say PC games don't sell, Some of them sell really, really well. I did say that those particular games listed won't sell anywhere near as high as said though.user_nat

My problem with PC gaming is the unfortunate scaling the developers have to do for poorer systems, I mean Cysis is pretty hefty...but games that push the envelope like it, only come out...well whenever Valve, ID, Crytek or Epic take the next leap. I think its a big stigma on not being scalable enough to make enough sales, but those companies are lucky enough to be fortified by popularity, they also happen to make the mainsteam engines, but they are also the only companies that ever seem to show off their engines on a mass scale, which in turn makes a lot of games seem very similar aesthetically. Source engine games seem to all have that dry feeling, not a lot of depth and spotted textures. Doom engine had that plastic feeling (not a lot of games used it but its an example). I cant recall directly having played many games on the Unreal 2.0, even though I'm sure I have and I'm sure I could make a good example on that too.

Sometimes you get a new one, Crytek isnt that old for example.

i am in europe...

my_name_is_ron

I knew I had to be more specific :P (damn UK) Anyway in the Netherlands it isn't seen as a nerdy thing. Games like counter strike, crysis, battlefield, CoD2, and enemy territory are much more popular than most console games. Hell the only console game that has caught attention were Halo 3 and CoD4.

I cannot for the life me explain why, but I just LOVE watching Hermits tear into consolites.

[QUOTE="my_name_is_ron"]

i am in europe...

_Pedro_

I knew I had to be more specific :P (damn UK) Anyway in the Netherlands it isn't seen as a nerdy thing. Games like counter strike, crysis, battlefield, CoD2, and enemy territory are much more popular than most console games. Hell the only console game that has caught attention were Halo 3 and CoD4.

i remember there being a lot of dutch and scandinavian people online when i used to play counterstrike. i still reckon consoles are more popular everywhere in the world though

[QUOTE="_Pedro_"][QUOTE="my_name_is_ron"]

i am in europe...

my_name_is_ron

I knew I had to be more specific :P (damn UK) Anyway in the Netherlands it isn't seen as a nerdy thing. Games like counter strike, crysis, battlefield, CoD2, and enemy territory are much more popular than most console games. Hell the only console game that has caught attention were Halo 3 and CoD4.

i remember there being a lot of dutch and scandinavian people online when i used to play counterstrike. i still reckon consoles are more popular everywhere in the world though

I think Australia, USA, Japan and the UK are pretty much consoles only. I think everywhere else pc gaming and console gaming are still pretty close. With some places where console gaming just isn't profitable enough to be sustained, because of piracy.

[QUOTE="my_name_is_ron"]

i am in europe...

_Pedro_

I knew I had to be more specific :P (damn UK) Anyway in the Netherlands it isn't seen as a nerdy thing. Games like counter strike, crysis, battlefield, CoD2, and enemy territory are much more popular than most console games. Hell the only console game that has caught attention were Halo 3 and CoD4.

If only that was the case here .... UK has such bad cultural influences, whats even worse is American influence gets stronger all the time.

Honestly, other than its Vibrant History..... its gotta be one of the most boring places ever, I may be taking it for granted through others peoples eyes but damn ....

[QUOTE="_Pedro_"][QUOTE="my_name_is_ron"]

i am in europe...

Meu2k7

I knew I had to be more specific :P (damn UK) Anyway in the Netherlands it isn't seen as a nerdy thing. Games like counter strike, crysis, battlefield, CoD2, and enemy territory are much more popular than most console games. Hell the only console game that has caught attention were Halo 3 and CoD4.

If only that was the case here .... UK has such bad cultural influences, whats even worse is American influence gets stronger all the time.

Honestly, other than its Vibrant History..... its gotta be one of the most boring places ever, I may be taking it for granted through others peoples eyes but damn ....

I could never get used to the idea that pc gaming is seen as something nerdy. I personally don't understand why it would be? I would guess buying a system dedicated to game would be seen as something far more nerdy.

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="_Pedro_"][QUOTE="my_name_is_ron"]

i am in europe...

_Pedro_

I knew I had to be more specific :P (damn UK) Anyway in the Netherlands it isn't seen as a nerdy thing. Games like counter strike, crysis, battlefield, CoD2, and enemy territory are much more popular than most console games. Hell the only console game that has caught attention were Halo 3 and CoD4.

If only that was the case here .... UK has such bad cultural influences, whats even worse is American influence gets stronger all the time.

Honestly, other than its Vibrant History..... its gotta be one of the most boring places ever, I may be taking it for granted through others peoples eyes but damn ....

I could never get used to the idea that pc gaming is seen as something nerdy. I personally don't understand why it would be? I would guess buying a system dedicated to game would be seen as something far more nerdy.

it's because the general (mis)conception is that all pc gamers sit on their own at their desks tapping away at a keyboard day and night in a grubby old room. i think it's fair to say that to be a serious gamer on a pc takes a much bigger knowledge of how your platform works than the amount of knowledge it takes to work a console. take me for example, i have a pc that, with a feww extra bits & pieces, would be able to run the most recent games but without the knowledge of what exactly it is i need to buy and how & where to stick it inside my computer i would just resort to buying a ready made new, gaming quality pc to play the most recent games which puts me off because they cost upwards of £700 when they're ready built by a shop. that's why i prefer consoles

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="_Pedro_"][QUOTE="my_name_is_ron"]

i am in europe...

_Pedro_

I knew I had to be more specific :P (damn UK) Anyway in the Netherlands it isn't seen as a nerdy thing. Games like counter strike, crysis, battlefield, CoD2, and enemy territory are much more popular than most console games. Hell the only console game that has caught attention were Halo 3 and CoD4.

If only that was the case here .... UK has such bad cultural influences, whats even worse is American influence gets stronger all the time.

Honestly, other than its Vibrant History..... its gotta be one of the most boring places ever, I may be taking it for granted through others peoples eyes but damn ....

I could never get used to the idea that pc gaming is seen as something nerdy. I personally don't understand why it would be? I would guess buying a system dedicated to game would be seen as something far more nerdy.

I dont think PC gamers are nerdy but when they pull out the pathetic "most AAAE most AAE chart" then they remind me of how sad some hermits can be. First of all when I made this topic I wasn't here to attack PC gamers I just wanted to talk about how it's kind of unfortunate that a lot of the time you see games that are 360/ps3 only like GTA4 and resident evil 5 etc because a lot of devs see the downloading of their games to be lost profit. then people bring up starcraft. Was there mass torrent downloads when starcraft came out?

and the sales probably increased since the game was probably in the $5 basket of old games. So dont live in the past and bring out your outdated list just because PC has been a platform as a whole for like 20 years. It's all about the present at the moment and people tend to want to talk about recent games.

[QUOTE="_Pedro_"][QUOTE="my_name_is_ron"]

i am in europe...

Meu2k7

I knew I had to be more specific :P (damn UK) Anyway in the Netherlands it isn't seen as a nerdy thing. Games like counter strike, crysis, battlefield, CoD2, and enemy territory are much more popular than most console games. Hell the only console game that has caught attention were Halo 3 and CoD4.

If only that was the case here .... UK has such bad cultural influences, whats even worse is American influence gets stronger all the time.

Honestly, other than its Vibrant History..... its gotta be one of the most boring places ever, I may be taking it for granted through others peoples eyes but damn ....

if so many devs are being pulled away then why do pc still has the max number of AAe and AAAe ?naval

because the devs that are being pulled are the most casual-centered ones, which makes more space for hardcore developers.

Without this I doubt STALKER, Witcher, GalacticCivilizations2 or Sins of a Solar EMpire would have been such sucesses.

Assassins creed DOES NOT require 3GB RAM, if youve read the thread then you should know.

Crysis was NOT our biggest game, it was a game with outstanding potential, it was NOT our best game.

STALKER: Shadows of Chernobyl has sold nearly 2 million, an amazing game that came out of nowhere, its bigger than Crysis.

But console fanboys seem to love Marketing so they believe because Crysis got all this advertisement that it was out best game :roll: ... best graphically, and excellent single player.

Meu2k7

man stalker is so underated, that game rocks, can wait for the new one out soon. the whole rpg inventory was cool.

Once again, the PC does have tons of standout exclusives like Stalker, SOASE, and Witcher who have all sold over 1 million in their first month, and could conceivably go on to atleast 14 million over their life span. Vandalvideo

That's combined right. You don't really think any of these games can sell 14 million copies, do you?

*faceplant*

Crysis sold a MILLION in two months with massive system req remember.

[QUOTE="_Pedro_"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="_Pedro_"][QUOTE="my_name_is_ron"]

i am in europe...

unknowndrk

I knew I had to be more specific :P (damn UK) Anyway in the Netherlands it isn't seen as a nerdy thing. Games like counter strike, crysis, battlefield, CoD2, and enemy territory are much more popular than most console games. Hell the only console game that has caught attention were Halo 3 and CoD4.

If only that was the case here .... UK has such bad cultural influences, whats even worse is American influence gets stronger all the time.

Honestly, other than its Vibrant History..... its gotta be one of the most boring places ever, I may be taking it for granted through others peoples eyes but damn ....

I could never get used to the idea that pc gaming is seen as something nerdy. I personally don't understand why it would be? I would guess buying a system dedicated to game would be seen as something far more nerdy.

I dont think PC gamers are nerdy but when they pull out the pathetic "most AAAE most AAE chart" then they remind me of how sad some hermits can be. First of all when I made this topic I wasn't here to attack PC gamers I just wanted to talk about how it's kind of unfortunate that a lot of the time you see games that are 360/ps3 only like GTA4 and resident evil 5 etc because a lot of devs see the downloading of their games to be lost profit. then people bring up starcraft. Was there mass torrent downloads when starcraft came out?

and the sales probably increased since the game was probably in the $5 basket of old games. So dont live in the past and bring out your outdated list just because PC has been a platform as a whole for like 20 years. It's all about the present at the moment and people tend to want to talk about recent games.

No offence but youve got the wrong idea about this.

"Most AAAE's AAE" is said * From the beggining of this generation, Xbox360 launch * NOT "All Time" ... so its a very valid arguement.

GTA4 is on the PC in November, RE5 was hinted in one of the PC Gamer Magazines.

As for "price of games" what does it matter? The suer base increases so its win win for gamers :S

I dont think PC gamers are nerdy but when they pull out the pathetic "most AAAE most AAE chart" then they remind me of how sad some hermits can be.

unknowndrk

actually pc games pull out the most AAAe,AAe per year card precisely because of people like this who don't realize irrespective of the fact that whether they like the games on pc or not , all of those games are good.

First of all when I made this topic I wasn't here to attack PC gamers I just wanted to talk about how it's kind of unfortunate that a lot of the time you see games that are 360/ps3 only like GTA4 and resident evil 5 etc because a lot of devs see the downloading of their games to be lost profit. then people bring up starcraft. Was there mass torrent downloads when starcraft came out?

unknowndrk

well pc gets games like GTA and RE although a bit late and it gets lot more good exclusives than console so its really more unfortunate for the console gamers

and the sales probably increased since the game was probably in the $5 basket of old games. So dont live in the past and bring out your outdated list just because PC has been a platform as a whole for like 20 years. It's all about the present at the moment and people tend to want to talk about recent games.

unknowndrk

when we talk about AAAe and AAe we talk out per year or this generation.

also stalker sold all its copies at full price, same with crysis, witcher etc so please stop pulling figures out of air

Most games, Most AAAs,Most AAs,Most exclusives, Biggest Market Share.

/end thread.

jangojay

[QUOTE="jangojay"]

Most games, Most AAAs,Most AAs,Most exclusives, Biggest Market Share.

/end thread.

-D3MO-

Damn what are you talking about? He means THIS GENERATION as in 360 Launch ... my god, even nerdman's sticky stated that...

Terrible damage control/Excuse/Diversion.

[QUOTE="jangojay"]

Most games, Most AAAs,Most AAs,Most exclusives, Biggest Market Share.

/end thread.

-D3MO-

It was like that last year...so don't think I'm pulling that from all those years ago. Every year PC has more than consoles.

[QUOTE="-D3MO-"][QUOTE="jangojay"]

Most games, Most AAAs,Most AAs,Most exclusives, Biggest Market Share.

/end thread.

Meu2k7

Damn what are you talking about? He means THIS GENERATION as in 360 Launch ... my god, even nerdman's sticky stated that...

Terrible damage control/Excuse/Diversion.

Well, he is the guy who said the PC has no good RPG

[QUOTE="_Pedro_"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="_Pedro_"][QUOTE="my_name_is_ron"]

i am in europe...

unknowndrk

I knew I had to be more specific :P (damn UK) Anyway in the Netherlands it isn't seen as a nerdy thing. Games like counter strike, crysis, battlefield, CoD2, and enemy territory are much more popular than most console games. Hell the only console game that has caught attention were Halo 3 and CoD4.

If only that was the case here .... UK has such bad cultural influences, whats even worse is American influence gets stronger all the time.

Honestly, other than its Vibrant History..... its gotta be one of the most boring places ever, I may be taking it for granted through others peoples eyes but damn ....

I could never get used to the idea that pc gaming is seen as something nerdy. I personally don't understand why it would be? I would guess buying a system dedicated to game would be seen as something far more nerdy.

I dont think PC gamers are nerdy but when they pull out the pathetic "most AAAE most AAE chart" then they remind me of how sad some hermits can be. First of all when I made this topic I wasn't here to attack PC gamers I just wanted to talk about how it's kind of unfortunate that a lot of the time you see games that are 360/ps3 only like GTA4 and resident evil 5 etc because a lot of devs see the downloading of their games to be lost profit. then people bring up starcraft. Was there mass torrent downloads when starcraft came out?

and the sales probably increased since the game was probably in the $5 basket of old games. So dont live in the past and bring out your outdated list just because PC has been a platform as a whole for like 20 years. It's all about the present at the moment and people tend to want to talk about recent games.

Now why wouldn't you want the AAAE/AAE argument brought up? Oh ya because it's freaking pathetic that all the consoles combined x2 can't match the PC in quality exclusives, who knows though maybe if you add this year to 2007 you'll beat our 07 list? :lol: :lol:

And piracy is hardly hurting PC gaming that much, sure it hurts, but it's still by far the biggest single platform and is showing significant growth every year and is more profitable then consoles in general because it doesn't have microsony etc taking a chunk of your sales money from royalties, theirs no certifcations, no licenses and you can even goto digital distribution and make way more money.

To Quote Gabe Newell, "We made 7 dollars a sale on Half-life 2 at retail, online we made 35 dollars a game"

Finally if you really made this thread because you just wanted to discuss it in a civil, unhostile environment I think your dog could explain to you that this isn't the forum to do it in....

To Quote Gabe Newell, "We made 7 dollars a sale on Half-life 2 at retail, online we made 35 dollars a game"

zipozal

Wow, did they really?

[QUOTE="my_name_is_ron"][QUOTE="_Pedro_"][QUOTE="my_name_is_ron"]

i am in europe...

_Pedro_

I knew I had to be more specific :P (damn UK) Anyway in the Netherlands it isn't seen as a nerdy thing. Games like counter strike, crysis, battlefield, CoD2, and enemy territory are much more popular than most console games. Hell the only console game that has caught attention were Halo 3 and CoD4.

i remember there being a lot of dutch and scandinavian people online when i used to play counterstrike. i still reckon consoles are more popular everywhere in the world though

I think Australia, USA, Japan and the UK are pretty much consoles only. I think everywhere else pc gaming and console gaming are still pretty close. With some places where console gaming just isn't profitable enough to be sustained, because of piracy.

I would tend to agree, but the PC gaming community in Australia is pretty big and dedicated, especially the FPS ladders.

[QUOTE="user_nat"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] Once again, the PC does have tons of standout exclusives like Stalker, SOASE, and Witcher who have all sold over 1 million in their first month, and could conceivably go on to atleast 14 million over their life span. Vandalvideo

There is no way those games will get to 14m.. or even combined. Or even half that combined.

Thats more then Half Life 2.. or WoW. Thats Sims type sales, thats not going to happen.

[QUOTE="_Pedro_"][QUOTE="my_name_is_ron"][QUOTE="_Pedro_"][QUOTE="my_name_is_ron"]

i am in europe...

ChinoJamesKeene

I knew I had to be more specific :P (damn UK) Anyway in the Netherlands it isn't seen as a nerdy thing. Games like counter strike, crysis, battlefield, CoD2, and enemy territory are much more popular than most console games. Hell the only console game that has caught attention were Halo 3 and CoD4.

i remember there being a lot of dutch and scandinavian people online when i used to play counterstrike. i still reckon consoles are more popular everywhere in the world though

I think Australia, USA, Japan and the UK are pretty much consoles only. I think everywhere else pc gaming and console gaming are still pretty close. With some places where console gaming just isn't profitable enough to be sustained, because of piracy.

I would tend to agree, but the PC gaming community in Australia is pretty big and dedicated, especially the FPS ladders.

I think Australia, USA, Japan and the UK are pretty much consoles only. I think everywhere else pc gaming and console gaming are still pretty close. With some places where console gaming just isn't profitable enough to be sustained, because of piracy.

_Pedro_

Not fully. I mean..Autralia is preety PC-centric, at least as much as consoles. And the rest ..while PC looses to consoles there it still has sizable presence (yes..even in Japan, it's just diffrent types of games, but Fate/Stay Night and ToHeart2XRated sold well over 150K in first week there).

Also...UK, Canada,Japan, USA, France, Italy and maybe Spain...and you have all countries where consoles aren't in minority compared to PCgaming

Yeah,but there's no way The Witcher will reach that.Starcraft is a competitive game and everybody in Korea has 10 copies.Greyhound222

Heck South Korean gaming culture was a topic of one of my first uni lectures. Put it this way - Its ALL about LAN gaming Cafes there or 'PC Bang' (PC room - in english).

Besides titles like the Witcher will continue to sell over time, there is alot of longevity in PC game sales

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="user_nat"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] Once again, the PC does have tons of standout exclusives like Stalker, SOASE, and Witcher who have all sold over 1 million in their first month, and could conceivably go on to atleast 14 million over their life span. Greyhound222

There is no way those games will get to 14m.. or even combined. Or even half that combined.

Thats more then Half Life 2.. or WoW. Thats Sims type sales, thats not going to happen.

Actually only 70% of the population has a copy of starcraft ;) in south korea by the way, the north koreans would rather do real world things like planning world domination then play video games for a living but I bet crysis ticked them off big time.

By the way some might call you racist for the korea remark and get you modded ;) Its not a very nice thing to say, its like saying every american is a gun slinging trigger happy red neck who don't give two ticks about anything but oil :P

[QUOTE="Greyhound222"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="user_nat"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] Once again, the PC does have tons of standout exclusives like Stalker, SOASE, and Witcher who have all sold over 1 million in their first month, and could conceivably go on to atleast 14 million over their life span. Zenkuso

There is no way those games will get to 14m.. or even combined. Or even half that combined.

Thats more then Half Life 2.. or WoW. Thats Sims type sales, thats not going to happen.

Actually only 70% of the population has a copy of starcraft ;) in south korea by the way, the north koreans would rather do real world things like planning world domination then play video games for a living but I bet crysis ticked them off big time.

By the way some might call you racist for the korea remark and get you modded ;) Its not a very nice thing to say, its like saying every american is a gun slinging trigger happy red neck who don't give two ticks about anything but oil :P