PC gaming will never be mainstream, except at star trek conventions and korea

Seriously I've tried to get into the whole PC gaming scene, but I can't. Its too screwed up, and now I understand why despite its excellent games it will never be mainstream.

1. No standardization of quality. On every Xbox 360 Call of Duty 4 will run pretty much the same. On PCs there is a great variation between how games run (duh, but read on), and this will alienate a lot of consumers. Sometimes its just completely friggin random. Two people can buy the exact same desktop (same gfx card, processor etc.), and for one of them Crysis will run on high, and for the other it won't. People don't even know what they are purchasing.

2. The online scene. Honestly, when wanting to play against friends its harder than freaking friend codes. And how hell can I get booted out of my own server, thats just annoying and makes no sense! Honestly who would rather mess with this, than just party up with friends on XBL

3. Flash games. Most of them are more fun than you're standard MMORPG, so why would people upgrade their PCs and pay 40 dollars and then a monthly fee to play Age of Conan on their comp when they could play Max Dirt Bike, which is 10 times more fun, infinitely times cheaper, and 100 times less of a time commitment.

These games do not however compete with the console market. Consumers can recognize the difference between high quality console games like GTA and Halo 3 and madness interactive, but paying more for a game that will be running on the same platform and is such a time commitment just seems irrational to them.

4. Geekiness. Honestly could you possible imagine any of the popular kids in your grade sitting down and playing the Witcher?

So in conclusion I am right.

Live long and prosper.

Live long and prosper.

smokeydabear076

Good to see that you read every single thing that I wrote.

The flame the hermits are about to bring upon you will be hotter then a thousand suns.

The flame the hermits are about to bring upon you will be hotter then a thousand suns.

Gh0st_Of_0nyx

I'm prepared, I have a cooling fan and heatsink worthy of SLI 9800s and Intel Extreme Quad core

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]

Live long and prosper.

familycircusfan

Good to see that you read every single thing that I wrote.

It already is mainstream. You can judge the amount of mainstream by the amount of shovelware, they are proportional to each other. The system with the most shovelware is the most mainstream = PC. DaBrainz

I guess you are being sarcastic.

[QUOTE="DaBrainz"]It already is mainstream. You can judge the amount of mainstream by the amount of shovelware, they are proportional to each other. The system with the most shovelware is the most mainstream = PC. familycircusfan

I guess you are being sarcastic.

[QUOTE="DaBrainz"]It already is mainstream. You can judge the amount of mainstream by the amount of shovelware, they are proportional to each other. The system with the most shovelware is the most mainstream = PC. familycircusfan

I guess you are being sarcastic.

Umm not really.:? Your comment is about mainstream gaming, the mainstream buys shovelware, there are huge selections of PC shovelware at any media store.

Of course your hardcore PC gamer isn't going to by games like wheel of fortune, but the average PC owner will.

They say "I got a computer, hey these games are only $10, maybe the wife and kids will play'em"

I'm not saying it's a bad thing, it's just testament to how PC gaming appeals to the mainstream.

Nice timing on this thread as not more then ten minutes ago I was looking at gaming PC's on Newegg and am considering something like this one if MGS4 for PS3 fails to meet expectations.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883229025

Long, long ago, I was a hermit but haven't had a desk top more powerful then my laptop in ages.

Are you saying I really should not consider this route or are you just tired of PC gaming from a personal stand point ?

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]Systerm Wars makes me embarrassed to own consoles at times. If PC gamers are geeks/nerds then I'd rather be with them then on the other side of the spectrum where common sense, misconceptions and denial are an everyday thing of life for most here.familycircusfan

Okay. Go get a PC, I don't want you on my Xbox Live anyway.

By the way, why is it that whenever we call PC gamers nerdy, or Nintendo gamers kiddy its because we are insecure. Could it be possible that we actually notice that kids who like Brawl at our school are less physically mature, and people who have gaming PCs actually have less friends? No we are just insecure.

Yes man because its your xbox live lol. You created it lol. Oh man.

Because you are insecure. PC gamers console gamers its all the same thing you're gamers. Calling PC gamers nerdy while thinking you as a console gamer aren't nerdy/geeky whatever is just hypocritical. You must be one of those cool gamers that gets all the ladies or something lol. I mean PC gamers can't have friends they have to live in their WoW virtual worlds.

Kids at your school that play Brawl are less physically mature? My god who would have thought. You are a kid in school afterall geez lol. I mean seriously when you say kids at my school I already know what kind of person I'm dealing with here. How doees PC gaming mean you have less friends. No my school yard friend with kids at school you are being insecure. That's just the very truth of the matter.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]Systerm Wars makes me embarrassed to own consoles at times. If PC gamers are geeks/nerds then I'd rather be with them then on the other side of the spectrum where common sense, misconceptions and denial are an everyday thing of life for most here.familycircusfan

Okay. Go get a PC, I don't want you on my Xbox Live anyway.

By the way, why is it that whenever we call PC gamers nerdy, or Nintendo gamers kiddy its because we are insecure. Could it be possible that we actually notice that kids who like Brawl at our school are less physically mature, and people who have gaming PCs actually have less friends? No we are just insecure.

Well Mr. Cool guy, if you're so hip, why don't you spend a bit of time with your equally hip friends in school instead of rambling on about a platform that such hip people aren't going to care about, on one of the geekiest forums on the internet. :roll:

Besides, here in Malaysia, PC gaming with mostly Counterstrike, World of Warcraft and Defence of the Ancients (Warcraft 3 mod) is dominant in my school. I suppose you could call Asian countries very nerd-friendly, but hey, I'd rather be in a school where I can be as "nerdy" as I want to be instead of a school where showing the least bit of intelligence get's you slammed into a locker by jocks. :roll:

[QUOTE="familycircusfan"]

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]Systerm Wars makes me embarrassed to own consoles at times. If PC gamers are geeks/nerds then I'd rather be with them then on the other side of the spectrum where common sense, misconceptions and denial are an everyday thing of life for most here.Blackbond

Okay. Go get a PC, I don't want you on my Xbox Live anyway.

By the way, why is it that whenever we call PC gamers nerdy, or Nintendo gamers kiddy its because we are insecure. Could it be possible that we actually notice that kids who like Brawl at our school are less physically mature, and people who have gaming PCs actually have less friends? No we are just insecure.

Yes man because its your xbox live lol. You created it lol. Oh man.

Because you are insecure. PC gamers console gamers its all the same thing you're gamers. Calling PC gamers nerdy while thinking you as a console gamer aren't nerdy/geeky whatever is just hypocritical. You must be one of those cool gamers that gets all the ladies or something lol. I mean PC gamers can't have friends they have to live in their WoW virtual worlds.

Kids at your school that play Brawl are less physically mature? My god who would have thought. You are a kid in school afterall geez lol. I mean seriously when you say kids at my school I already know what kind of person I'm dealing with here. How doees PC gaming mean you have less friends. No my school yard friend with kids at school you are being insecure. That's just the very truth of the matter.

I was just kidding about the my xbox live thing.

No, at my school there are some kids who have apparently gone through puberty, and there are some that aren't and they don't play basketball, they fence and own nintendo consoles, and earlier in the year, they would go on their macbooks and check smash bros.com religiously.

There's like 70 million PC gamers, more than all the consoles combined.slickchris7777

There's actually almost 4 times that.

263 million.

[QUOTE="Gh0st_Of_0nyx"]

The flame the hermits are about to bring upon you will be hotter then a thousand suns.

familycircusfan

I'm prepared, I have a cooling fan and heatsink worthy of SLI 9800s and Intel Extreme Quad core

Cool, I have a nerdy little toy called an X-Box witha toy based control scheme and a company that endorses maximum milkage.

[QUOTE="slickchris7777"]There's like 70 million PC gamers, more than all the consoles combined.aliblabla2007

There's actually almost 4 times that.

263 million.

How many have bought one or two game, play for less than 2 hours a week or something like that.

Is that including the ones that bought pajama sam?

If I bought starcraft 10 years ago am I considered a PC gamer?

BTW PCs have been around a lot longer than any of the consoles, not sure if you knew that

[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="familycircusfan"]

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]Systerm Wars makes me embarrassed to own consoles at times. If PC gamers are geeks/nerds then I'd rather be with them then on the other side of the spectrum where common sense, misconceptions and denial are an everyday thing of life for most here.familycircusfan

Okay. Go get a PC, I don't want you on my Xbox Live anyway.

By the way, why is it that whenever we call PC gamers nerdy, or Nintendo gamers kiddy its because we are insecure. Could it be possible that we actually notice that kids who like Brawl at our school are less physically mature, and people who have gaming PCs actually have less friends? No we are just insecure.

Yes man because its your xbox live lol. You created it lol. Oh man.

Because you are insecure. PC gamers console gamers its all the same thing you're gamers. Calling PC gamers nerdy while thinking you as a console gamer aren't nerdy/geeky whatever is just hypocritical. You must be one of those cool gamers that gets all the ladies or something lol. I mean PC gamers can't have friends they have to live in their WoW virtual worlds.

Kids at your school that play Brawl are less physically mature? My god who would have thought. You are a kid in school afterall geez lol. I mean seriously when you say kids at my school I already know what kind of person I'm dealing with here. How doees PC gaming mean you have less friends. No my school yard friend with kids at school you are being insecure. That's just the very truth of the matter.

I was just kidding about the my xbox live thing.

No, at my school there are some kids who have apparently gone through puberty, and there are some that aren't and they don't play basketball, they fence and own nintendo consoles, and earlier in the year, they would go on their macbooks and check smash bros.com religiously.

I would argue fencing is a more mature sport then basketball.

I was just kidding about the my xbox live thing.

No, at my school there are some kidswho have apparently gone through puberty, and there are some that aren't and they don't play basketball, they fence and own nintendo consoles, and earlier in the year, they would go on their macbooks and check smash bros.com religiously.

familycircusfan

I see that I am dealing with someone who potentially might not even be old enough to be on these forums if he's talking about puberty :|

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="familycircusfan"][QUOTE="Gh0st_Of_0nyx"]

The flame the hermits are about to bring upon you will be hotter then a thousand suns.

familycircusfan

I'm prepared, I have a cooling fan and heatsink worthy of SLI 9800s and Intel Extreme Quad core

Cool, I have a nerdy little toy called an X-Box witha toy based control scheme and a company that endorses maximum milkage.

Mine was a metaphor, yours just makes you sound like a tool.

Really? talk about the pot calling the kettle black :lol: I guess your 12-13? Your "High School Groups and opinions" mean nothing in the real world buddy, you can pretend most Wii gamers are kids, and PC gamers are loners, but it doesnt reflect the reality.

Stereotypes again? When are you going to see that popular people play both PCs and consoles and that geeks play both PCs and consoles. Maybe YOU don't see popular kids playing PCs or geeks playing consoles but trust me. THERE ARE. So stop basing your argument on generalizations because there are reasons people pay monthly subscriptions. It's called fun. Sure flash games are fun but how long do they stay? 1 week? 2 maximum? What about WOW? A year? 2? 5+?

Really? talk about the pot calling the kettle black :lol: I guess your 12-13? Your "High School Groups and opinions" mean nothing in the real world buddy, you can pretend most Wii gamers are kids, and PC gamers are loners, but it doesnt reflect the reality.

Meu2k7

He's not in high school. He was talking about how some kids in his school have gone through puberty and others have not. He isn't even old enough to play M rated games by his above comments.

[QUOTE="slickchris7777"]There's like 70 million PC gamers, more than all the consoles combined.aliblabla2007

There's actually almost 4 times that.

263 million.

Yea but the other people are casual gamers.

Stereotypes again? When are you going to see that popular people play both PCs and consoles and that geeks play both PCs and consoles. Maybe YOU don't see popular kids playing PCs or geeks playing consoles but trust me. THERE ARE. So stop basing your argument on generalizations because there are reasons people pay monthly subscriptions. It's called fun. Sure flash games are fun but how long do they stay? 1 week? 2 maximum? What about WOW? A year? 2? 5+?

bladeeagle

If I say black people are better at basketball am I wrong because I stereotyped? Sure steve nash is good, but based on probability, a black guy is 20 times more likely to be in the NBA than a white guy.

I'm sure there are some cool PC gamers, but there are six billion people on this planet, it was bound to happen.

yeah more flash games come out each week tho.

[QUOTE="aliblabla2007"]

[QUOTE="slickchris7777"]There's like 70 million PC gamers, more than all the consoles combined.familycircusfan

There's actually almost 4 times that.

263 million.

How many have bought one or two game, play for less than 2 hours a week or something like that.

Is that including the ones that bought pajama sam?

If I bought starcraft 10 years ago am I considered a PC gamer?

BTW PCs have been around a lot longer than any of the consoles, not sure if you knew that

I don't think they went into details about that.

If they did, then well I didn't link to the source info directly so I wouldn't know.

You can probably try asking any random hermit, say Danm_999, VandalVideo, Skrat_01, .etc. Heck I think even the mods should know.

Subrosian should probably know as well - don't know about that though. He's no hermit.

[QUOTE="bladeeagle"]

Stereotypes again? When are you going to see that popular people play both PCs and consoles and that geeks play both PCs and consoles. Maybe YOU don't see popular kids playing PCs or geeks playing consoles but trust me. THERE ARE. So stop basing your argument on generalizations because there are reasons people pay monthly subscriptions. It's called fun. Sure flash games are fun but how long do they stay? 1 week? 2 maximum? What about WOW? A year? 2? 5+?

familycircusfan

If I say black people are better at basketball am I wrong because I stereotyped? Sure steve nash is good, but based on probability, a black guy is 20 times more likely to be in the NBA than a white guy.

I'm sure there are some cool PC gamers, but there are six billion people on this planet, it was bound to happen.

yeah more flash games come out each week tho.

Yes because from your statement, ALL black people are superior to any other race in basketball. Is this true? Of course not. Maybe a majority of them are (arguably) but not all. And that's a generalization.

If I say black people are better at basketball am I wrong because I stereotyped? Sure steve nash is good, but based on probability, a black guy is 20 times more likely to be in the NBA than a white guy.

I'm sure there are some cool PC gamers, but there are six billion people on this planet, it was bound to happen.

yeah more flash games come out each week tho.

familycircusfan

Stop making ignorant untruthful lies. If you've been watching the NBA you'd realize how many foreign players are in the league now which would consist of a lot of white players from other countries. So to say that a black guy is 20 times more likely to be in the NBA is completely a load of BS because there would be 20x more Black players then white players in the NBA which is not true at all. Foreign player influence is at an all time high in the NBA and with the addition of American White players your point just went out the window and hit the pavement.

Stop generalizing.

[QUOTE="familycircusfan"][QUOTE="bladeeagle"]

Stereotypes again? When are you going to see that popular people play both PCs and consoles and that geeks play both PCs and consoles. Maybe YOU don't see popular kids playing PCs or geeks playing consoles but trust me. THERE ARE. So stop basing your argument on generalizations because there are reasons people pay monthly subscriptions. It's called fun. Sure flash games are fun but how long do they stay? 1 week? 2 maximum? What about WOW? A year? 2? 5+?

bladeeagle

If I say black people are better at basketball am I wrong because I stereotyped? Sure steve nash is good, but based on probability, a black guy is 20 times more likely to be in the NBA than a white guy.

I'm sure there are some cool PC gamers, but there are six billion people on this planet, it was bound to happen.

yeah more flash games come out each week tho.

Yes because from your statement, ALL black people are superior to any other race in basketball. Is this true? Of course not. Maybe a majority of them are (arguably) but not all. And that's a generalization.

I don't think that my statement implies that. If what you say is true its impossible to judge any group of people, because there will always be exceptions.

[QUOTE="aliblabla2007"]

[QUOTE="slickchris7777"]There's like 70 million PC gamers, more than all the consoles combined.slickchris7777

There's actually almost 4 times that.

263 million.

Yea but the other people are casual gamers.

Casual gamers count.

[QUOTE="bladeeagle"][QUOTE="familycircusfan"][QUOTE="bladeeagle"]

Stereotypes again? When are you going to see that popular people play both PCs and consoles and that geeks play both PCs and consoles. Maybe YOU don't see popular kids playing PCs or geeks playing consoles but trust me. THERE ARE. So stop basing your argument on generalizations because there are reasons people pay monthly subscriptions. It's called fun. Sure flash games are fun but how long do they stay? 1 week? 2 maximum? What about WOW? A year? 2? 5+?

familycircusfan

If I say black people are better at basketball am I wrong because I stereotyped? Sure steve nash is good, but based on probability, a black guy is 20 times more likely to be in the NBA than a white guy.

I'm sure there are some cool PC gamers, but there are six billion people on this planet, it was bound to happen.

yeah more flash games come out each week tho.

Yes because from your statement, ALL black people are superior to any other race in basketball. Is this true? Of course not. Maybe a majority of them are (arguably) but not all. And that's a generalization.

I don't think that my statement implies that. If what you say is true its impossible to judge any group of people, because there will always be exceptions.

So what is a stereotype 360/PS3 gamer? do tell. I'd love to hear it.

[QUOTE="bladeeagle"][QUOTE="familycircusfan"][QUOTE="bladeeagle"]

Stereotypes again? When are you going to see that popular people play both PCs and consoles and that geeks play both PCs and consoles. Maybe YOU don't see popular kids playing PCs or geeks playing consoles but trust me. THERE ARE. So stop basing your argument on generalizations because there are reasons people pay monthly subscriptions. It's called fun. Sure flash games are fun but how long do they stay? 1 week? 2 maximum? What about WOW? A year? 2? 5+?

familycircusfan

If I say black people are better at basketball am I wrong because I stereotyped? Sure steve nash is good, but based on probability, a black guy is 20 times more likely to be in the NBA than a white guy.

I'm sure there are some cool PC gamers, but there are six billion people on this planet, it was bound to happen.

yeah more flash games come out each week tho.

Yes because from your statement, ALL black people are superior to any other race in basketball. Is this true? Of course not. Maybe a majority of them are (arguably) but not all. And that's a generalization.

I don't think that my statement implies that. If what you say is true its impossible to judge any group of people, because there will always be exceptions.

Which is why stereotypes are wrong. There's always an exception. See how easy that was?

So what is a stereotype 360/PS3 gamer? do tell. I'd love to hear it. Meu2k7

TC, id like u say congrats for having the courage to say to hermits that PC is the "geekiest" system of them all. -GhostMLD-

I will throw my PC away now because some nobody thats sheepish enough to use terms that were invented by high school losers only in this century to cover up the fact that they know nothing but the everyday things like Sex/Friends ( Which everyone has, it makes nobody special ) and work menial labour jobs.

Its just, so eye opening :( these people have to be right, insulting people for actually knowing things... its just criminal and should not exist.

/pours water on PC.

The sims

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[QUOTE="Blackbond"]Systerm Wars makes me embarrassed to own consoles at times. If PC gamers are geeks/nerds then I'd rather be with them then on the other side of the spectrum where common sense, misconceptions and denial are an everyday thing of life for most here.familycircusfan

Okay. Go get a PC, I don't want you on my Xbox Live anyway.

By the way, why is it that whenever we call PC gamers nerdy, or Nintendo gamers kiddy its because we are insecure. Could it be possible that we actually notice that kids who like Brawl at our school are less physically mature, and people who have gaming PCs actually have less friends? No we are just insecure.

At least you see your insecurity. Now you have made that step solving the problem should be easier. Good luck friend.

1. yea its a fair point. PC gaming does require homework when ure starting off. some ppl, like me, love to keep up with the latest stuff and have a big interest in new tech (i read about 3 mags on tech alone). but were in a minority....the vast majority of ppl dont give a crap. they want there PC to work like a toaster. consoles mostly fullfill that demand (though with increeased complexity on all consoles, even the wii, there not quite toasters any more). what i find really shocking on the PC front though is both the high streets and the manufacturers complete inability to simply explain to ppl what there buying in easy to understand language. the naming convention on hardware is a joke and then theres the complete mix up in GPUs (a 640MB 8800GTS is better than a 512MB right....RIGHT???? a 3870 is in a massive step from a high end 2000 series radeon right?). so yea...PCs need homework and they rarely work like a toaster...not out of the box anyway (ive made mine a toaster :P).

2. ive never experienced the porblem. its very weird. however the PC online community is second to none..NONE.

3. irrelevant. those kind of things make the PC more mainstream. those flash games and things like online poker are absolutely massive on the PC...especially with laptops becoming more popular. i see more online poker adds than i do GTA4 adds over here.

4. geeks shall inherit the earth.....its in the bible somewhere (or was that the meek? meh same thing) :P. seriosuly...screw the popular kids. they can take their popularity and shove it...if there not smart enough to able to play games on a PC or if there too image concious then thats their problem (a social structure that punishes intelligence....school is just weird). im a geek/nerd (nerd is more common for ppl who know about PCs and that kind fo thing) and bloody prowd of it. if anyone has a problem with that then thats their problem, not mine.

whether the PC is mainstream or not is highly debateable since, at the end of the day, we have no idea what the PC is up to market wise. things like online poker and bingo are really popular here (yes there computer games) and theres revenue from the likes of WOW. theres also games like the sims which sell in stupidly high amounts...which certainly indicates that alot fo ppl have access to a PC that can play games of some sort. the NDP makes it look very small and neglected and niche...but the NPD is behind the times as far as the PC in concerned.