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#1 HoldThePhone
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In the past 10 years, PC gaming has been enjoying a golden age that started in the late 90s. It was an era that if you missed it, you're never going to see anything like it again.

You're never going to see a game so perfect in design and balance, that 100,000 specators will gather to watch two players play eachother competitvely.(Starcraft)
rawr

You're never gong to see an FPS have so much emphasis on controlling gun recoil, and still become the most widely played online shooter in the world.
(Counter Strike)

rawr1

You're never going to see another epic RPG that's designed to be played with one button.
(Diablo 2)

rawr2

You're never going to see modding communities create games more popular then the orginial itself.
(Half-Life mods)

rawr3

Now, FPS is all about perks and priced DLC. Now, RPGs are all about cookie-cutter moral decisions. Now, MMOs and RTS are to be designed around gamepads.

note: i'm not actually this pessimiesstic about console gaming, it's all for effect =p

Baldur's Gate, Unreal Tournament, Black and White, Deus Ex, Civilization, Total War games, Ghost Recon, Rainbow Six, Battlefield, Tribes, Thief, Jedi Knight, Warcraft 3, The Witcher -- gone, never to be seen again (anything like them that is -- you will surely see the franchises continue).

PC's golden age is over.

but maybe.....I'm wrong?




Starcraft 2, not merely a sequel to a game, but a continuation of a culture (competitive gaming).
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Diablo isn't finished
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Thief returns

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WoW continues to dominate all over the world, and Blizzard is working on the next MMO..
hahah

Half Life 3? New Counter-Strike?

BattleField 3?

More Deus Ex?


Who knows what's in store for PC gamers, maybe the true golden age is only beginning?


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#2 Bebi_vegeta
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What? That's the only games you like?

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#3 HoldThePhone
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What? That's the only games you like?

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just made it to spark conversation, I can't spend all day on these things.
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#4 t_s_inquisition
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Why the hell is WoW on the good list? Are you smoking crack?
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#5 whatisazerg
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Blizzard are dev GODS..... I love almost everything they do..... played Starcraft for 5 years on a daily basis..... I just re-bought Diablo 2 and started playing again, yesterday actually.... man it looks ugly on my 24" WS monitor though.... (there is a patch coming though, *crosses fingers and hopes for an increase in Resolution*

I cannot wait for Starcraft II.... and Diablo III.... when those drop, the only games I'll play on consoles will probably be Mario & Halo. The rest of the time is going to perfect my Zerg Rush, and hunting for loot for whatever D3 character I'm playing.

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#6 deactivated-58b6232955e4a
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Wasn't the dev behind the thief games canned?
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#7 Ryusuke_Akihiro
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For me... the golden age of PC gaming started with Baldur's Gate, and ended with Baldur's gate 2.

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#8 rcignoni
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Maybe, or maybe it will compare to the Carolingian renaissance. But I'm perfectly fine with PC gaming right now, I know I think it's LEAGUES ahead of console gaming in quality.
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#9 agentfred
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Frankly, I think the future of PC gaming lies in the (presently) small/Indie developers, and not in the franchises of the past. When I think about the promising PC games that I'll be playing 5 years from now, I'm thinking of games coming from CD Projekt, Katauri Interactive, TaleWorlds, etc. Valve, Crytek, and even Blizzard will probably be developing crossplatform from now on (maybe not Blizzard), so I don't really foresee them being major players in a second Golden Age. That's just how I see it though, so maybe I'll be completely wrong. :P

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Frankly, I think the future of PC gaming lies in the (presently) small/Indie developers, and not in the franchises of the past. When I think about the promising PC games that I'll be playing 5 years from now, I'm thinking of games coming from CD Projekt, Katauri Interactive, TaleWorlds, etc. Valve, Crytek, and even Blizzard will probably be developing crossplatform from now on (maybe not Blizzard), so I don't really foresee them being major players in a second Golden Age. That's just how I see it though, so maybe I'll be completely wrong. :P

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Valve makes all of its money off the pc, so I think they will stay.
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#11 agentfred
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[QUOTE="SAGE_OF_FIRE"] Valve makes all of its money off the pc, so I think they will stay.

Most of it's money at least. Still, I really don't see them releasing any PC-exclusive games in the near future, so they can't really be major players in a Golden Age (except for running the ever-important Steam that is).
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You're never gong to see an FPS have so much emphasis on controlling gun recoil, and still become the most widely played online shooter in the world.
(Counter Strike)

You're never going to see another epic RPG that's designed to be played with one button.
(Diablo 2)

You're never going to see modding communities create games more popular then the orginial itself.
(Half-Life mods)


Now, FPS is all about perks and priced DLC. Now, RPGs are all about cookie-cutter moral decisions. Now, MMOs and RTS are to be designed around gamepads

HoldThePhone



I do agree with your last statement to an extent. Things definitely are different...

I'd rather not ever see an FPS with such a prime emphasis on gun control again, nor do I care about the popularity of said modifications. I'd rather there be good modifications than popular ones, and one doesn't equate to the other. RPGs don't need just one button controls to be fantastic. They can have as many as they want and still reach a higher caliber than those of the original c1assics. Honestly I'd hardly call these things elements of a golden age, but more of a different age viewed through rose-tinted glasses and children's memories.

There is still hope as you said. The industry is constantly growing, and the number of innovative, quality titles is increasing as is the number of poorly designed knockoffs. However, finding these titles may prove more difficult given the increase in products. While the c1assic franchises will continue down their paths forged in previous greatness, new titles will emerge and pave their own way, hopefully leading to a brighter future for the industry both on PC and on consoles.

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Why the hell is WoW on the good list? Are you smoking crack? t_s_inquisition

And WoW is a bad game because...?

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#14 Saturos3091
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[QUOTE="t_s_inquisition"]Why the hell is WoW on the good list? Are you smoking crack? JangoWuzHere

And WoW is a bad game because...?

Maybe he's thinking that another MMO should be there instead. I mean WoW isn't exactly considered by many to be the best MMO, but indeed the most popular one.
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#15 HoldThePhone
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[QUOTE="HoldThePhone"]

You're never gong to see an FPS have so much emphasis on controlling gun recoil, and still become the most widely played online shooter in the world.
(Counter Strike)

You're never going to see another epic RPG that's designed to be played with one button.
(Diablo 2)

You're never going to see modding communities create games more popular then the orginial itself.
(Half-Life mods)


Now, FPS is all about perks and priced DLC. Now, RPGs are all about cookie-cutter moral decisions. Now, MMOs and RTS are to be designed around gamepads

Saturos3091



I do agree with your last statement to an extent. Things definitely are different...

I'd rather not ever see an FPS with such a prime emphasis on gun control again, nor do I care about the popularity of said modifications. I'd rather there be good modifications than popular ones, and one doesn't equate to the other. RPGs don't need just one button controls to be fantastic. They can have as many as they want and still reach a higher caliber than those of the original c1assics. Honestly I'd hardly call these things elements of a golden age, but more of a different age viewed through rose-tinted glasses and children's memories.

There is still hope as you said. The industry is constantly growing, and the number of innovative, quality titles is increasing as is the number of poorly designed knockoffs. However, finding these titles may prove more difficult given the increase in products. While the c1assic franchises will continue down their paths forged in previous greatness, new titles will emerge and pave their own way, hopefully leading to a brighter future for the industry both on PC and on consoles.

I'm not saying that these are the best way for games to be made. But there are a lot of FPS players who are going to miss the more "hardcore" experience of counter-strike, where landing shots was a feat in and of itself.

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#16 HoldThePhone
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[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

[QUOTE="t_s_inquisition"]Why the hell is WoW on the good list? Are you smoking crack? Saturos3091

And WoW is a bad game because...?

Maybe he's thinking that another MMO should be there instead. I mean WoW isn't exactly considered by many to be the best MMO, but indeed the most popular one.

MMO players often develope an allegiance to the game they chose, it's natural that WoW gets so much hate. It is the most popular MMO though, and arguably the most well made. How fun it is depends on your tastes.
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First of all, GREAT post! Im hoping the PC golden has just begun because i just got into PC gaming and i want to stay in it.
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PC gaming is as popular and productive as ever. The indie scene is really taking off and we are seeing new games like never before. If you played more than just the mainstream stuff and Blizzard titles, you'd realize that PC gaming is going as strong as it has always been. Sure, gaming won't ever be like the late '90's again... but console gaming is nowhere near where PC gaming is right now... not even close.

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#19 Lethalhazard
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I haven't played a PC game exclusive that I've enjoyed since Crysis. I'm a major PC gamer, though.........I'm really looking forward to the new Blizzard titles so long as they don't milk fans with the Activision merge.
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#20 Lethalhazard
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PC gaming is as popular and productive as ever. The indie scene is really taking off and we are seeing new games like never before. If you played more than just the mainstream stuff and Blizzard titles, you'd realize that PC gaming is going as strong as it has always been. Sure, gaming won't ever be like the late '90's again... but console gaming is nowhere near where PC gaming is right now... not even close.

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Can you recommend me any good "non-mainstream" games? I feel like I'm missing out on something.
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PC is far from dead, it's the best
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#22 foxhound_fox
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Can you recommend me any good "non-mainstream" games? I feel like I'm missing out on something.Lethalhazard

I personally haven't been keeping up with the indie and niche PC market for quite some time... but if you ask around, I'm sure there are plenty of users here who could recommend a plethora of games.

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Alright, thanks.
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#24 skrat_01
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Works the same with consoles.

http://wiimedia.ign.com/wii/image/article/768/768111/the-legend-of-zelda-ocarina-of-time-virtual-console-20070226043617627_640w.jpg

When will such greatness for a time period come about again?

Lets hope the next makes a dint, or perhaps excels.

Go figure.

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#25 Exxite
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The fact that pc hardware is not only used for office work, work station work, 3d studio max, maya 3d, photoshop cs4 uses opengl, etc... (semi OT): So you think suddenly games will stop being developed for directx and/or opengl; pssst don't forget ray tracing is likely next; omg don't forget the next likely intel cpu has a gpu/like core also. Newer video cards from nvidia and ati can decode videoes massively faster than cpus using cuda or avivo. That is all number crunching, As all graphic rendering is all number crunching it will mean it will never go away. Gpus wipe the floor with pure number crunching comparied to muli-purpose cpus. So why would the best market for number crunching go away with new consoles. Are movies going to stop using cgi? Its all number chrunching man. There is no difference between rendering a pixar scene than a scene in call of duty 4. One is just massively more complex and takes a really long time. A quadro video card and a geforce card are very similar but with different drivers.
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I don't know about that...I was in my early twenties back in 97-98, and was in my early teens during the first golden age of pc gaming, 1989-1993, being an rpg/stra/ adventure and fps head it was a great time. Gold box AD&D ===classic, Ultima Underworld, Ultima 4-8 classics from that time, Doom, Wolfensiten3d, Duke3d, Eye of Beholder, Civ1 and Civ 2, Warcraft 1 and 2, Might and Magic 3,4,5,6,7,8 , Wing Commander 2, X-wing, tie -fighter,myst, kings quest, police quest, flashback etc... I could go on and on..... Then it died out during the mid 90's ... I got myself a playstation (last console before that was a Genesis back in 1990.) and it was great, I got to play all the great Eastern RPGS that weren't PC games...There were so many great games on ps1.... Then about 1999 happened and I seen my friend playing this new pc game called Baldur's Gate.... and I was floored. I had to have it, and it was coming to the ps1 (well at least it was supposed to, and it was made just never released) I remember seeing it in all the ps magazines in the back on up-coming releases. It never showed so I had to get a pc.

I bought a used pc for a $200 at the time a pentium 2, with 2gb hd... (i didn't know that was small as my pc at the time was a 386 with 40mb hd..so it seemed huge) I baught the 5 disc epic that was Baldurs gate it filled the entire hard disk with windows. I couldn't play anything else, and it ran crappy but at least i could play it. I then abandoned consoles completly as I found so many other great pc rpgs, fps, strategy games from 98-2004..... 2004 the last big year for pc exclusives.....then disaster hit, xbox360...and pc devs were migrating over and filled with promises of big cash from Billy Gates...the pc exclusives were cut in half after 2005. It hasn't been the same since. And where are some of these devs? Ensemble, Aces and Fasa all pc devs who were lured over to M$ got killed last year becasue they weren't casual enough...it's a shame, they should of stuck to pc. Then you got developers from the 97-04 golden age that died... Looking glass studios, Trioka games, Iron Lore, ion storm (well for deus ex1 anyway), black isle..... why did they have to die? They made some of the best games especially Black Isle, Looking glass, and Troika.

Then you have companys that have sold out to M$ like epic and bioware.... they used to make hardcore rpgs and fps games, now they cater to the xbox crowd....sad. I am very skeptical about Dragon Age, I am hoping that it brings back somewhat of a semblance of Baldur's gate series, but they are console developers now...so I don't know.......and espcially when they announced it wasn't pc exclusive anymore. Just like what happened to farcry 2, it looked like it was going to be a great game when it was just for pc, but making it multiplat turned it into a big turd. It was a shame really what happened to pc gaming, Consoles dominated sales in publishers eyes and WOW stopped companies from investing in single player rpgs and instaed made stupid mmos that failed.... Wow sucks as far as people don't play other games when they are hooked on wow.

the pc gaming landscape has been mostly multiplat console games ported over now, it's a shame that for the first time I haven't had to upgrade my gaming rig since 2006... I am still sporting the same core2duo and 8800gts and there is no reason for me to upgrade, dx9 is still the standard due to consoles and ms making dx10 vista only. Things aren't really moving forward as fast as they did before on pc side...... I caved last year and bought a ps3 for gta4 and mgs4..... my pc gaming is done except for the rare pc exclusive like the witcher or stalker....otherwise I stick to the console with a comfortable game pad. Sure i could play those multi-plats on pc but why? For a few AA passes? It just doesn't feel the same. If I am going to play console games its going to be on a console, and pc games on a pc. There should be 2 distanct entities. Yeah Blizzard announced a new Diablo -- 10 years later...what... and we won't get it til 2014 knowing blizzard so until that game comes out. I will stick to mostly ps3 games until new pc exclusive title comes out that really captures my attention.
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#27 rolo107
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Awesome thread. Great memories of those games, ; ).
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#28 R4gn4r0k
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Great read. But who says the new golden age will be in the hands of Valve and Blizzard ? Sure everything they release is amazing but maybe new developers will come up and do some really innovative stuff, for example: Crytek, when they released Far Cry in 2004 it amazed gamers everywhere.