PC has encoutered a problem and needs to close.

Yeah, I've been a strong PC defender, and still am, but I have to admit it: PC is in a really, really bad state.

I've been following Microsoft press conference, and they have convinced me: they completely abandoned the PC. Zero Games for Windows announcements.

I mean, what the hell is wrong with that company? They own Windows for gods sake.

Sure, some of you PC defenders will say, "but PC doesn't need Microsoft". Well, guess what. As I PC gamer I surely wound't mind if Microsoft started caring about my gaming needs as they care about needs of a Xbox gamer. I wanna feel respected, and this kind of behaviour from their side is surely completely disrespectful.

Less games that use the forced and crappy GFW it's not really that bad. Besides what exactly did they announce that threatens PC?

Wouldn't they only announce PC games using GFWL? As it sucks, I doubt many are implementing it (could be mistaken).

Either way, I wouldn't worry about PC. It's been around throughout every gen.

I realised this when they closed down Ensemble.

MS abandoned the PC a long time ago. PC has been doing great and always will. It really doesn't need MS...think about the biggest games on it? Empire Total War, Crysis, Diablo, Starcraft, Stalker, Neverwinter Nights 1 & 2, Witcher, Supreme Commander, Warhammer DoWII, etc. None of which are MS games.

I really don't see the point to saying "it needs to close". It can't close...PC started gaming and always will be here. It's an open platform hence it cannot close.

Umm... Microsoft doesn't own PC gaming. SquatsAreAwesom

Yeah if anything the harware producers like Intel, AMD, and NVIDIA do.

Add to that the growing list of PC gaming studios owned by MS that have been closed down and their support for PC gaming is dying fast.Avenger1324

Only one i can think of is Ensemble...

If you know more, please, tell me.

[QUOTE="SquatsAreAwesom"]Umm... Microsoft doesn't own PC gaming. shakmaster13

Yeah if anything the harware producers like Intel, AMD, and NVIDIA do.

do u guys think that if another OS came out that could compete with windows.. on a gaming level and everything else..and start pushing gaming on pc.. thats when microsoft will care...but chances of that are nil

MS abandoned the PC a long time ago. PC has been doing great and always will. It really doesn't need MS...think about the biggest games on it? Empire Total War, Crysis, Diablo, Starcraft, Stalker, Neverwinter Nights 1 & 2, Witcher, Supreme Commander, Warhammer DoWII, etc. None of which are MS games.

I really don't see the point to saying "it needs to close". It can't close...PC started gaming and always will be here. It's an open platform hence it cannot close.

Puckhog04

Okay, sure, it won't close. There'll always be some form of gaming available on the PC. But I don't want that casual crap like flash games, hordes of World of Warcaft clones and their epic suckage, etc.

I want more blockbuster exclusive titles. I don't want to wait six fricking months or more in order to play X multiplatform game. And honestly, I'm sick of those strategy and MMO games.

A game doesn't need to be published by Microsoft, but I wouldn't mind if the game was at least supported and marketed via Games for Windows. Sure, Games for Windows Live is an epic fail, but Games for Windows live as a platform is a great idea.

Anyway, as I PC gamer i feel completely disrespected and abandoned. I'm sick of it and it honestly breaks my heart.

it's almost as if...it's not really a Microsoft platform.Hewkii

Umm... Microsoft doesn't own PC gaming. SquatsAreAwesom

they annouced left 4 dead 2 on pc

Microsoft doesn't control the PC platform. :|

They've never had to, nor never will need to provide games for it.

News flash; CES is the PC game show.Vandalvideo

When was the last time Microsoft announced something groundbreaking for PC on CES? Oh, around, dunno, ten fricking years ago.

[QUOTE="SquatsAreAwesom"]Umm... Microsoft doesn't own PC gaming. 19414435335

Well, that's incorrect. If there were no windows, there would be another OS. Of which, games would be developed for that OS.

[QUOTE="19414435335"][QUOTE="SquatsAreAwesom"]Umm... Microsoft doesn't own PC gaming. -Traveller-

Well, that's incorrect. If there were no windows, there would be another OS. Of which, games would be developed for that OS.

[QUOTE="SquatsAreAwesom"]Umm... Microsoft doesn't own PC gaming. 19414435335

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]News flash; CES is the PC game show.IgGy621985

When was the last time Microsoft announced something groundbreaking for PC on CES? Oh, around, dunno, ten fricking years ago.

Yeah, I've been a strong PC defender, and still am, but I have to admit it: PC is in a really, really bad state.

I've been following Microsoft press conference, and they have convinced me: they completely abandoned the PC. Zero Games for Windows announcements.

I mean, what the hell is wrong with that company? They own Windows for gods sake.

Sure, some of you PC defenders will say, "but PC doesn't need Microsoft". Well, guess what. As I PC gamer I surely wound't mind if Microsoft started caring about my gaming needs as they care about needs of a Xbox gamer. I wanna feel respected, and this kind of behaviour from their side is surely completely disrespectful.

IgGy621985

[QUOTE="19414435335"][QUOTE="SquatsAreAwesom"]Umm... Microsoft doesn't own PC gaming. Brainkiller05

Its probaly the piracy thats driving companies away from PC games. Pirated PC games are now so easy to get. System games are expensive even though they are not that different from PC games. They are a safer buisness investment.

[QUOTE="IgGy621985"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]News flash; CES is the PC game show.Vandalvideo

When was the last time Microsoft announced something groundbreaking for PC on CES? Oh, around, dunno, ten fricking years ago.

You didn't answer on my question. And you obviously didn't read my previos posts.

Of course Games for Windows aren't games by Microsoft. Only two or three GfW games were games by Windows. But GfW brings recognition to PC. It brings order to chaos which currently PC honestly is.

Anyway, if it is just viral marketing campaing, they even stopped pulling it off.

[QUOTE="Puckhog04"]

MS abandoned the PC a long time ago. PC has been doing great and always will. It really doesn't need MS...think about the biggest games on it? Empire Total War, Crysis, Diablo, Starcraft, Stalker, Neverwinter Nights 1 & 2, Witcher, Supreme Commander, Warhammer DoWII, etc. None of which are MS games.

I really don't see the point to saying "it needs to close". It can't close...PC started gaming and always will be here. It's an open platform hence it cannot close.

IgGy621985

Okay, sure, it won't close. There'll always be some form of gaming available on the PC. But I don't want that casual crap like flash games, hordes of World of Warcaft clones and their epic suckage, etc.

I want more blockbuster exclusive titles. I don't want to wait six fricking months or more in order to play X multiplatform game. And honestly, I'm sick of those strategy and MMO games.

A game doesn't need to be published by Microsoft, but I wouldn't mind if the game was at least supported and marketed via Games for Windows. Sure, Games for Windows Live is an epic fail, but Games for Windows live as a platform is a great idea.

Anyway, as I PC gamer i feel completely disrespected and abandoned. I'm sick of it and it honestly breaks my heart.

[QUOTE="SquatsAreAwesom"]Umm... Microsoft doesn't own PC gaming. 19414435335

You didn't answer on my question. And you obviously didn't read my previos posts.Of course Games for Windows aren't games by Microsoft. Only two or three GfW games were games by Windows. But GfW brings recognition to PC. It brings order to chaos which currently PC honestly is.Anyway, if it is just viral marketing campaing, they even stopped pulling it off.IgGy621985

Microsoft not announcing anything regarding GFW doesn't necessarily mean the PC is in a state of trouble. GFW isn't a publishing deal, they don't own the studios, etc. I would venture to say Microsoft, at this point, doesn't know half the upcomming PC games like the rest of us. If they don't know them, they can't bloody well buy them out for GFW can they? Just wait.Vandalvideo

Just wait? Right. Okay, when and where will they announce something for GfW?

CES? Sure, they'll announce something. Probably some cool Windows 7 features like all new DirectX 11 3D pinball and, dunno, Solitaire with Pixel Shader 5 effects. I can remember they did just that at the CES 2007 or something with Vista.

Games Convention? It's dead. Now it's dedicated only to online entertainment and casual crap. And it'll probably be filled with the standard crowd, Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo, again excluding anything that has to do with PC.

What's left?

Just wait? Right. Okay, when and where will they announce something for GfW?CES? Sure, they'll announce something. Probably some cool Windows 7 features like all new DirectX 11 3D pinball and, dunno, Solitaire with Pixel Shader 5 effects. I can remember they did just that at the CES 2007 or something with Vista.Games Convention? It's dead. Now it's dedicated only to online entertainment and casual crap. And it'll probably be filled with the standard crowd, Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo, again excluding anything that has to do with PC.What's left?IgGy621985

Like I already pointed out, GFW doesn't mean Microsoft is the publisher of these franchises. The real publishers behind these games don't want to turn over their ability to disseminate information at their whim by buying into this GFW stuff. By allowing Microsoft to use GFW for their titles, they give them leeway with marketing. Publishers don't like that. The reason we didn't see much GFW announcements is because most of those are hammered out after the games themselves have been announced at some point. The publishers want to be the ones telling people about the game and building hype. Microsoft not announcing GFW games DOES NOT translate to lack of games. Vandalvideo

And again you didn't answer on my question :)

The only problem is, most of the publishers are 80-90% tied with some of the console manufacturers, which leads to a fact that being a publisher of a PC-only titles is really difficult today because you get zero support from a "manufacturer" which actually doesn't exists. Unless you are, of course Blizzard and/or Valve.

And again you didn't answer on my question :)The only problem is, most of the publishers are 80-90% tied with some of the console manufacturers, which leads to a fact that being a publisher of a PC-only titles is really difficult today because you get zero support from a "manufacturer" which actually doesn't exists. Unless you are, of course Blizzard and/or Valve.IgGy621985

That is how it has always been, that is how it will always be.Vandalvideo

Yeah. And if you ask me, it sucks. Big time.

[QUOTE="-Traveller-"]

[QUOTE="19414435335"] no windows no pc gaming 19414435335

Well, that's incorrect. If there were no windows, there would be another OS. Of which, games would be developed for that OS.

Hmmm? Piece of ****? Little shortsighted. Quite a unique and good OS. Plus, it would be much more mainstream if Windows didn't exist.

[QUOTE="19414435335"][QUOTE="-Traveller-"]

Well, that's incorrect. If there were no windows, there would be another OS. Of which, games would be developed for that OS.

-Traveller-

Hmmm? Piece of ****? Little shortsighted. Quite a unique and good OS. Plus, it would be much more mainstream if Windows didn't exist.

They are also a rip off for the hardware you are getting..

Exclusives are dying. PC is no exception. It's still the greatest platform with the best multiplats and the best line of games ever. Period.

Also, if Microsoft owned PC gaming there wouldn't be the PCGA. Windows gamers hate Microsoft because of the fail known as GFWL. Microsoft doesn't get money from GFWL or from the games sold, therefore, they naturally have less interest in it. People aren't going to buy Windows for gaming. They're going to buy Windows because of everything else it does.

ah .. How coudl I live without MS not supporting PC gaming :roll: I see PC Gaming doing fine without MS ... If I wanted MS lame games i would have bought a Xbox360. In fact I would prefer that they reduce their involvement even more and they stop their GFW and GFWL stuff and just stick with dx11naval

It's funny how you PC supporters constantly claim "oh, but we don't need anyone to stand for us", and yet when Valve or Blizzard say something glowing about PC you all guys start a little forum party.

ah .. How coudl I live without MS not supporting PC gaming :roll: I see PC Gaming doing fine without MS ... If I wanted MS lame games i would have bought a Xbox360. In fact I would prefer that they reduce their involvement even more and they stop their GFW and GFWL stuff and just stick with dx11naval

[QUOTE="naval"]ah .. How coudl I live without MS not supporting PC gaming :roll: I see PC Gaming doing fine without MS ... If I wanted MS lame games i would have bought a Xbox360. In fact I would prefer that they reduce their involvement even more and they stop their GFW and GFWL stuff and just stick with dx11IgGy621985

It's funny how you PC supporters constantly claim "oh, but we don't need anyone to stand for us", and yet when Valve or Blizzard say something glowing about PC you all guys start a little forum party.

since when do marketing campaigns (basically what E3 is) speak for quality of games?PC360Wii