People say Killzone 2 has bad A.I.? What about RE5!?

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/43807.html

I'm not bashing the game I think it looks amazing I plan on getting it, but DAMN that AI is atrocious.

Now watch someone say "they're zombies so they're supposed to run in front of your gun very slowly waiting to be shot in the face."

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/43807.html

I'm not bashing the game I think it looks amazing I plan on getting it, but DAMN that AI is atrocious.

Now watch someone say "they're zombies so they're supposed to run in front of your gun very slowly waiting to be shot in the face."

angry_fork

Now watch someone say "they're zombies so they're supposed to run in front of your gun very slowly waiting to be shot in the face."

angry_fork

They would be right though.

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/43807.html

I'm not bashing the game I think it looks amazing I plan on getting it, but DAMN that AI is atrocious.

Now watch someone say "they're zombies so they're supposed to run in front of your gun very slowly waiting to be shot in the face."

angry_fork

[QUOTE="angry_fork"]

Now watch someone say "they're zombies so they're supposed to run in front of your gun very slowly waiting to be shot in the face."

bethwo

They would be right though.

[QUOTE="bethwo"]

[QUOTE="angry_fork"]

Now watch someone say "they're zombies so they're supposed to run in front of your gun very slowly waiting to be shot in the face."

angry_fork

They would be right though.

[QUOTE="angry_fork"]

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/43807.html

I'm not bashing the game I think it looks amazing I plan on getting it, but DAMN that AI is atrocious.

Now watch someone say "they're zombies so they're supposed to run in front of your gun very slowly waiting to be shot in the face."

HoldThePhone

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="EuroMafia"]KZ2 enemies aren't zombies though. And you're right, watch me say this: We all know one of the big zombie stereotype is that they're stupid. KZ2 doesn't have the best AI either, but it's good enough.EuroMafia

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="Ringx55"] And how do we not know that they are on the easiest difficulty in the videos and not on extremely hard?? :SRingx55

Halo difficulty just changes the units rank, health, damage, shield recovery, weapon or even whether they spawn to my knowledge. AI has gotten worse since the first Halo where it was pretty immersing, to typical tank FPS units which don't suit Halo very well.

[QUOTE="Ringx55"][QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"] I doubt the AI actually gets smarter when set to a higher difficulty. Usually the game compensates by making the bullets do more damage and the enemy taking more damage. One of the only FPS's I know of right now that actually seems like it makes the AI smarter is Crysis, if there's any others, let me know.DragonfireXZ95

Halo difficulty just changes the units rank, health, damage, shield recovery, weapon or even whether they spawn to my knowledge. AI has gotten worse since the first Halo where it was pretty immersing, to typical tank FPS units which don't suit Halo very well.

Leejjohno

Halo 3 AI does improve a lot. Can't recall if bullets do more damage but they were definitely hitting me more, and I got sniped out in the open a few times. Enemies would use more cover and more equipment. Etc.EuroMafia

thats a real yes and no, enemys do more damage, but are way more agressive and a bit smarter. For the most part though they just do more damagepwn-flakes

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/43807.html

I'm not bashing the game I think it looks amazing I plan on getting it, but DAMN that AI is atrocious.

Now watch someone say "they're zombies so they're supposed to run in front of your gun very slowly waiting to be shot in the face."

[QUOTE="Leejjohno"] [QUOTE="EuroMafia"] Halo 3 AI does improve a lot. Can't recall if bullets do more damage but they were definitely hitting me more, and I got sniped out in the open a few times. Enemies would use more cover and more equipment. Etc.DragonfireXZ95

thats a real yes and no, enemys do more damage, but are way more agressive and a bit smarter. For the most part though they just do more damagepwn-flakes

[QUOTE="Leejjohno"] [QUOTE="EuroMafia"] Halo 3 AI does improve a lot. Can't recall if bullets do more damage but they were definitely hitting me more, and I got sniped out in the open a few times. Enemies would use more cover and more equipment. Etc.DragonfireXZ95

thats a real yes and no, enemys do more damage, but are way more agressive and a bit smarter. For the most part though they just do more damagepwn-flakes

i've never understood this tactic in SW. how is it a good thing to try to make a game you're hyping look better by comparison to something you see as inferior? reminds me of that Family guy episode where they pay an uglier girl to hang around with Meg.

fail.

Okay, so I have three different people saying different things, this doesn't help at all. :PDragonfireXZ95

People think how good a shot a unit is comes under AI, but it doesn't, practically speaking. All the devs have to do for that is tweak numbers as per difficulty. I wouldn't count enemies leading shots as "improved AI" either but that's me. If that was the case a game like quake III arena would have the best AI ever.

My reasoning for this that it maybe be "harder" but it isn't realistic to see AI like in COD4 who have rapid fire AKs with no recoil. That is ****y AI. Especially when we are talking about insurgents who are actually infamously bad shots in real life.

In the first Halo you could actually see AI being smart even in tight environments. All you need in Halo 3 is a battle rifle and you have pretty much beat everything except Hunters, which are just the ultimate tank unit.

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]Okay, so I have three different people saying different things, this doesn't help at all. :PLeejjohno

People think how good a shot a unit is comes under AI, but it doesn't, practically speaking. All the devs have to do for that is tweak numbers as per difficulty. I wouldn't count enemies leading shots as "improved AI" either but that's me. If that was the case a game like quake III arena would have the best AI ever.

My reasoning for this that it maybe be "harder" but it isn't realistic to see AI like in COD4 who have rapid fire AKs with no recoil. That is ****y AI. Especially when we are talking about insurgents who are actually infamously bad shots in real life.

In the first Halo you could actually see AI being smart even in tight environments. All you need in Halo 3 is a battle rifle and you have pretty much beat everything except Hunters, which are just the ultimate tank unit.

Well, in my case for Halo 3 it seems to me that enamies take more cover and use more gernade eqipment etc... Dose that count as AI???

Especially when we are talking about insurgents who are actually infamously bad shots in real life.Leejjohno

it's ridiculous to pretend that US soldiers are more accurate, or that other human being - just because they are insurgents - somehow don't understand something a monkey, or US grunt can figure out.... which is how to point something at something else.

its a zombie game, thats how zombies react

i've never understood this tactic in SW. how is it a good thing to try to make a game you're hyping look better by comparison to something you see as inferior? reminds me of that Family guy episode where they pay an uglier girl to hang around with Meg.

fail.

3picuri3

KZ2 doesn't have the best AI either, but it's good enough.EuroMafia

[QUOTE="EuroMafia"]KZ2 doesn't have the best AI either, but it's good enough.RotaryRX7

What's the problem?

It's the same thing the TC is doing, but oh no that doesn't matter because RE5 isn't PS3 exclusive. :roll: FAIL.

[QUOTE="Leejjohno"]Especially when we are talking about insurgents who are actually infamously bad shots in real life.3picuri3

You are talking about a sniper though; a sniper isn't going to fire from the hip.

I read it in a book. It was something to do with insurgents observed prefering to have the amount of people engaging an enemy over actually hitting. They tended to just spray at fortified positions with AKs, GPMGs, inaccurately placed mortars and RPGs; they only have to get lucky once during an engagement and the victory for that engagement will be percieved as theirs. COD4 makes out as if you were playing against trained professionals with nerves of steel - that's not good AI, that's what I call twitchy AI when coupled with rapid fire recoilless AKs. I wouldn't mind during the bits when you play against russian ultra-nationalists, because they were obviously trained soldiers.

For example some people say that Crysis get's improved AI, but the truth is that when an enemy can see you through trees and vegetation just because he is on a 50. cal machine gun, you would find it hard to call that an improvement.

[QUOTE="RotaryRX7"][QUOTE="EuroMafia"]KZ2 doesn't have the best AI either, but it's good enough.EuroMafia

What's the problem?

It's the same thing the TC is doing, but oh no that doesn't matter because RE5 isn't PS3 exclusive. :roll: FAIL.

[QUOTE="Leejjohno"][QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]Okay, so I have three different people saying different things, this doesn't help at all. :PRingx55

People think how good a shot a unit is comes under AI, but it doesn't, practically speaking. All the devs have to do for that is tweak numbers as per difficulty. I wouldn't count enemies leading shots as "improved AI" either but that's me. If that was the case a game like quake III arena would have the best AI ever.

My reasoning for this that it maybe be "harder" but it isn't realistic to see AI like in COD4 who have rapid fire AKs with no recoil. That is ****y AI. Especially when we are talking about insurgents who are actually infamously bad shots in real life.

In the first Halo you could actually see AI being smart even in tight environments. All you need in Halo 3 is a battle rifle and you have pretty much beat everything except Hunters, which are just the ultimate tank unit.

Well, in my case for Halo 3 it seems to me that enamies take more cover and use more gernade eqipment etc... Dose that count as AI???

Yes, but I never observed that unless you count grunts retreating or cowering. When you crank up to legendary, there is so many enemies on screen at times it's probably hard for them to get to cover anyway.

All I am saying is in Halo 1 it doesn't matter what the environment, enemies seemed to take advantage. In open spaces they would utilise rocks, trees, higher ground etc. In doors they would still do okay at strafing shots at the same time as hugging walls or hiding to replenish shields. I found the Brutes to be push overs compared to elites in groups tbh.

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]Okay, so I have three different people saying different things, this doesn't help at all. :PLeejjohno

People think how good a shot a unit is comes under AI, but it doesn't, practically speaking. All the devs have to do for that is tweak numbers as per difficulty. I wouldn't count enemies leading shots as "improved AI" either but that's me. If that was the case a game like quake III arena would have the best AI ever.

My reasoning for this that it maybe be "harder" but it isn't realistic to see AI like in COD4 who have rapid fire AKs with no recoil. That is ****y AI. Especially when we are talking about insurgents who are actually infamously bad shots in real life.

In the first Halo you could actually see AI being smart even in tight environments. All you need in Halo 3 is a battle rifle and you have pretty much beat everything except Hunters, which are just the ultimate tank unit.

Well, in my case for Halo 3 it seems to me that enamies take more cover and use more gernade eqipment etc... Dose that count as AI???

Ringx55

[QUOTE="EuroMafia"]

[QUOTE="RotaryRX7"] ^ lol I like it when people say things like this as if they've played the game. :roll:RotaryRX7

What's the problem?

It's the same thing the TC is doing, but oh no that doesn't matter because RE5 isn't PS3 exclusive. :roll: FAIL.

[QUOTE="RotaryRX7"][QUOTE="EuroMafia"] I have seen videos, I have seen how they react.

What's the problem?

It's the same thing the TC is doing, but oh no that doesn't matter because RE5 isn't PS3 exclusive. :roll: FAIL.

EuroMafia

[QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="Leejjohno"]Especially when we are talking about insurgents who are actually infamously bad shots in real life.Leejjohno

You are talking about a sniper though; a sniper isn't going to fire from the hip.

I read it in a book. It was something to do with insurgents observed prefering to have the amount of people engaging an enemy over actually hitting. They tended to just spray at fortified positions with AKs, GPMGs, inaccurately placed mortars and RPGs; they only have to get lucky once during an engagement and the victory for that engagement will be percieved as theirs. COD4 makes out as if you were playing against trained professionals with nerves of steel - that's not good AI, that's what I call twitchy AI when coupled with rapid fire recoilless AKs. I wouldn't mind during the bits when you play against russian ultra-nationalists, because they were obviously trained soldiers.

For example some people say that Crysis get's improved AI, but the truth is that when an enemy can see you through trees and vegetation just because he is on a 50. cal machine gun, you would find it hard to call that an improvement.

that's a ridiculous thing to say, with absolutely no backing. why don't you tell this to the US soldiers that were hit by trunk snipers, or BH that were shot down by small arms fire. 3picuri3

You are talking about a sniper though; a sniper isn't going to fire from the hip.

I read it in a book. It was something to do with insurgents observed prefering to have the amount of people engaging an enemy over actually hitting. They tended to just spray at fortified positions with AKs, GPMGs, inaccurately placed mortars and RPGs; they only have to get lucky once during an engagement and the victory for that engagement will be percieved as theirs. COD4 makes out as if you were playing against trained professionals with nerves of steel - that's not good AI, that's what I call twitchy AI when coupled with rapid fire recoilless AKs. I wouldn't mind during the bits when you play against russian ultra-nationalists, because they were obviously trained soldiers.

For example some people say that Crysis get's improved AI, but the truth is that when an enemy can see you through trees and vegetation just because he is on a 50. cal machine gun, you would find it hard to call that an improvement.

So the enemies in RE5 are zombies??!?!?!? Wow! i didn't know that, especially since in the demo, they actually cheered at the execution of the guy at the beginning, listen to orders, and uses weaponry (bow and arrows, shovels, ect). Every zombie movie i ever seen particularly had zombies craving warm flesh and will stop at nothing to acquire it. In past RE games, zombies didn't listen to orders, or was armed with fire arms and chainsaws

For the record, the enemies in RE5 isn't zombies, in which the TC have a very valid point

So the enemies in RE5 are zombies??!?!?!? Wow! i didn't know that, especially since in the demo, they actually cheered at the execution of the guy at the beginning, listen to orders, and uses weaponry (bow and arrows, shovels, ect). Every zombie movie i ever seen particularly had zombies craving warm flesh and will stop at nothing to acquire it. In past RE games, zombies didn't listen to orders, or was armed with fire arms and chainsaws

For the record, the enemies in RE5 isn't zombies, in which the TC have a very valid point

ermacness

People calling them zombies and they can do all that stuff that means either they aren't zombies or are smart zombies.

Anyway I watched some gameplay of the game and they stand a little bit then charge at you, I didn't see any problem with them.

So the enemies in RE5 are zombies??!?!?!? Wow! i didn't know that, especially since in the demo, they actually cheered at the execution of the guy at the beginning, listen to orders, and uses weaponry (bow and arrows, shovels, ect). Every zombie movie i ever seen particularly had zombies craving warm flesh and will stop at nothing to acquire it. In past RE games, zombies didn't listen to orders, or was armed with fire arms and chainsaws

For the record, the enemies in RE5 isn't zombies, in which the TC have a very valid point

its a zombie game, thats how zombies react

ski11buzz

yes, like YOU would know how zombies are supposed to act. :roll:

anyway, why should cows worry about lems hate kz2 ai, or anything kz2 brings...

we'll be enjoying both awesome games... :P