PGR3 and now Halo 3. What other X360 games aren't HD?

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#1 skektek
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PGR3 was sub HD rescaled to HD and now Halo 3 is the same thing. Does anyone know what other Xbox 360 games aren't actually HD?
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#2 SolidSnake35
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What about Forza? It was like playing GT on the PS2 again. O_o
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#3 ByFly
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Do you even know what you are talking about??Halo 3 clearly looks HD to me..

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#4 SolidSnake35
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Do you even know what you are talking about??Halo 3 clearly looks HD to me..

ByFly
It's not "proper" HD apparently. It upscales it, or something. >.>
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#5 skektek
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Do you even know what you are talking about??Halo 3 clearly looks HD to me..

ByFly

Yes I do. Do you?

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#6 kevy619
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What about Forza? It was like playing GT on the PS2 again. O_oSolidSnake35

GT4 was playable in 1080i, it was probably some sort of trickery but that was still pretty impressive for a ps2 game. Still though, I thought GT4 looked unimpressive and the cars felt blocky.

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#7 turgore
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COD3 and a Tony Hawk game. I didn't really notica any of them.
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#8 kevy619
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[QUOTE="ByFly"]

Do you even know what you are talking about??Halo 3 clearly looks HD to me..

SolidSnake35

It's not "proper" HD apparently. It upscales it, or something. >.>

Ya it does, just like half the ps2 games werent even proper standard def.... look it up.

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#9 MegaPigeon
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Please show me evidence of such a claim.

[EDIT] Seen the link provided. Bungie pretty much cleared it up as well as admitting to it somewhat.

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The minimum resolution for anything to be considered HD is 576p

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AS long as the games keep coming and looking great and playing at higher frame rates and we dont have to play 500+ for the console....im happy...
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#12 G10mgs4
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FORZA IS ALSO NOT HD. the game is also just like halo its jaggeid mess, ms has just trying to fake hd resolutions ever since they started there 1080p upscale update, its all fake fake fake,

bioshock also, becuase of the half screen size thing, and they have yet to fix that too.

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#13 kevy619
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FORZA IS ALSO NOT HD. the game is also just like halo its jaggeid mess, ms has just trying to fake hd resolutions ever since they started there 1080p upscale update, its all fake fake fake,

bioshock also, becuase of the half screen size thing, and they have yet to fix that too.

G10mgs4

What, I have such a hard time reading your posts. Plus what I do understand doesnt make sense to me, half screen thing?

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#14 hazuki87
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FORZA IS ALSO NOT HD. the game is also just like halo its jaggeid mess, ms has just trying to fake hd resolutions ever since they started there 1080p upscale update, its all fake fake fake,

bioshock also, becuase of the half screen size thing, and they have yet to fix that too.

G10mgs4

halo 3 a jaggied mess? not as big a mess as your post but ok.

anyways they cleared it up and explained why it was 640p which was due to 2 separate frame buffers. This allows them to get just as good if not better graphics than most of the HD games out there so does it really matter or is this just weak damage control?

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#15 Crunchman
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[QUOTE="ByFly"]

Do you even know what you are talking about??Halo 3 clearly looks HD to me..

skektek

Yes I do. Do you?

Now, if you actually read it, it wouldexplain the entire ordeal and you wouldn't be including Halo 3 in this thread.

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#16 skektek
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The minimum resolution for anything to be considered HD is 576p

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rappid_rabbit

Sorry 576p is EDTV not HDTV.

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#17 smurf999
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wow you are so low that you try to clam ownage because the game are not hd sad i guess that happens when you have no games. 9.5 cry more.
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#18 skektek
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[QUOTE="skektek"][QUOTE="ByFly"]

Do you even know what you are talking about??Halo 3 clearly looks HD to me..

JLuke360

Yes I do. Do you?

Now, if you actually read it, it wouldexplain the entire ordeal and you wouldn't be including Halo 3 in this thread.

Halo 3 doesn't run in HD, only upscaled. Bungie admitted this.

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#19 SolidSnake35
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wow you are so low that you try to clam ownage because the game are not hd sad i guess that happens when you have no games. 9.5 cry more.smurf999
Meh. It's not like it's unethical to discuss problems with great games.
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#20 kevy619
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[QUOTE="rappid_rabbit"]

The minimum resolution for anything to be considered HD is 576p

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skektek

Sorry 576p is EDTV not HDTV.

480p is edtv, 576p is an odd defination, used in europe?

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#21 skektek
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wow you are so low that you try to clam ownage because the game are not hd sad i guess that happens when you have no games. 9.5 cry more.smurf999

LOL I knew someone would dredge up "teh 9.5!".

Please, try to stay on topic.

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#22 MegaPigeon
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[QUOTE="JLuke360"][QUOTE="skektek"][QUOTE="ByFly"]

Do you even know what you are talking about??Halo 3 clearly looks HD to me..

skektek

Yes I do. Do you?

Now, if you actually read it, it wouldexplain the entire ordeal and you wouldn't be including Halo 3 in this thread.

Halo 3 doesn't run in HD, only upscaled. Bungie admitted this.

Yes, and as a result it looked even better than it would if they'd have aimed for 720p :|

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#23 G10mgs4
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[QUOTE="G10mgs4"]

FORZA IS ALSO NOT HD. the game is also just like halo its jaggeid mess, ms has just trying to fake hd resolutions ever since they started there 1080p upscale update, its all fake fake fake,

bioshock also, becuase of the half screen size thing, and they have yet to fix that too.

hazuki87

halo 3 a jaggied mess? not as big a mess as your post but ok.

anyways they cleared it up and explained why it was 640p which was due to 2 separate frame buffers. This allows them to get just as good if not better graphics than most of the HD games out there so does it really matter or is this just weak damage control?

thats not hd, that ed. and if you cant just do it in 720p, dont do it at all, the game isnt even being played in any real hd, no wonder on my 1080p screen thhe game didnt even look as crisp as a luanch ps3 tittle resistance. resistance at 720p, look waaaaay sharper, than halo3 in its upscaled 1080p. thats a shame.....but still halo has good mmultiplayer, so thats all that matters.

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#24 G10mgs4
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[QUOTE="smurf999"]wow you are so low that you try to clam ownage because the game are not hd sad i guess that happens when you have no games. 9.5 cry more.skektek

LOL I knew someone would dredge up "teh 9.5!".

Please, try to stay on topic.

yea i know. reviews that are bribed upon dont cont either, so are your 9.5 reviews can forget it

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#25 rappid_rabbit
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[QUOTE="rappid_rabbit"]

The minimum resolution for anything to be considered HD is 576p

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skektek

Sorry 576p is EDTV not HDTV.

Yeah in certain countries...besides...who cares really? Is that all you PS3 fanboys have to attack Halo 3? Halo 3 massively owned all you PS3 fanboys...

But it doesnt mattter does because Halo 3 sucks, and didnt deserve that score. (my opinion guys dont get crazy) Plus nobody said Halo 3 graphics were awesome (or any of the Halo games).

Killzone 2 better be the best damn looking game ever created, because thats all it has to live on (and up to)..because we all know the POS Killzone 1 was.

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#26 tdavis20050
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"You could argue we gave you 1280 pixels of vertical resolution, since Halo 3 uses not one, but two frame buffers, both of which render at 1152x640 pixels,"a Bungie representativewrote. "The reason we chose this slightly unorthodox resolution and this very complex use of two buffers is simple enough to see: lighting. We wanted to preserve as much dynamic range as possible, so we use one for the high dynamic range and one for the low dynamic range values. Both are combined to create the finished on screen image."

it's running two buffers at once. And its not like it looks bad. It looks really good, and I will trade a little resolution for better lighting and colors any day

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#27 MegaPigeon
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[QUOTE="skektek"]

[QUOTE="smurf999"]wow you are so low that you try to clam ownage because the game are not hd sad i guess that happens when you have no games. 9.5 cry more.G10mgs4

LOL I knew someone would dredge up "teh 9.5!".

Please, try to stay on topic.

yea i know. reviews that are bribed upon dont cont either, so are your 9.5 reviews can forget it

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#28 Crunchman
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[QUOTE="skektek"][QUOTE="JLuke360"][QUOTE="skektek"][QUOTE="ByFly"]

Do you even know what you are talking about??Halo 3 clearly looks HD to me..

MegaPigeon

Yes I do. Do you?

Now, if you actually read it, it wouldexplain the entire ordeal and you wouldn't be including Halo 3 in this thread.

Halo 3 doesn't run in HD, only upscaled. Bungie admitted this.

Yes, and as a result it looked even better than it would if they'd have aimed for 720p :|

Not exactly. First off, 640p is still an HD standard, even if it's not the 720p we're all used to.I think the only reason Bungie made this sacrafice was that the frame-rate wasn't at a desirable point. If the game ran at a slow frame-rate, but at 720p, we'd get twice the many whiners. It's really not a difference made apparent.

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#29 Nagidar
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[QUOTE="ByFly"]

Do you even know what you are talking about??Halo 3 clearly looks HD to me..

SolidSnake35

It's not "proper" HD apparently. It upscales it, or something. >.>

Actually, it is High Definition, its just not any of the standard high definition resolutions.

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#30 hazuki87
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"You could argue we gave you 1280 pixels of vertical resolution, since Halo 3 uses not one, but two frame buffers, both of which render at 1152x640 pixels,"a Bungie representativewrote. "The reason we chose this slightly unorthodox resolution and this very complex use of two buffers is simple enough to see: lighting. We wanted to preserve as much dynamic range as possible, so we use one for the high dynamic range and one for the low dynamic range values. Both are combined to create the finished on screen image."

it's running two buffers at once. And its not like it looks bad. It looks really good, and I will trade a little resolution for better lighting and colors any day

tdavis20050

There we go nothing wlse needs to be said as the game offers 1280 pixels of vertical resolution. Saying its in 640p is flat out wrong. 2 buffers, not one. Sorry guys go back to claiming that the reviews were brobed. It was more pathetic but at least we can't "prove" you wrong. (though you clearly are)

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#31 MegaPigeon
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[QUOTE="MegaPigeon"][QUOTE="skektek"][QUOTE="JLuke360"][QUOTE="skektek"][QUOTE="ByFly"]

Do you even know what you are talking about??Halo 3 clearly looks HD to me..

JLuke360

Yes I do. Do you?

Now, if you actually read it, it wouldexplain the entire ordeal and you wouldn't be including Halo 3 in this thread.

Halo 3 doesn't run in HD, only upscaled. Bungie admitted this.

Yes, and as a result it looked even better than it would if they'd have aimed for 720p :|

Not exactly. First off, 640p is still an HD standard, even if it's not the 720p we're all used to.I think the only reason Bungie made this sacrafice was that the frame-rate wasn't at a desirable point. If the game ran at a slow frame-rate, but at 720p, we'd get twice the many whiners. It's really not a difference made apparent.

In which case they may have need to (brace yourself fanboys) downgrade it :o. It doesn't matter how many people whine about it, it looked amazing when I first seen it and it still looks amazing now even if it isn't 'TEH TREU HD'. If it looks better with the sacrifice of a minial amount of resolution I'm happy :D

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#32 skektek
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[QUOTE="skektek"][QUOTE="rappid_rabbit"]

The minimum resolution for anything to be considered HD is 576p

The end

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rappid_rabbit

Sorry 576p is EDTV not HDTV.

Yeah in certain countries...besides...who cares really? Is that all you PS3 fanboys have to attack Halo 3? Halo 3 massively owned all you PS3 fanboys...

But it doesnt mattter does because Halo 3 sucks, and didnt deserve that score. (my opinion guys dont get crazy) Plus nobody said Halo 3 graphics were awesome (or any of the Halo games).

Killzone 2 better be the best damn looking game ever created, because thats all it has to live on (and up to)..because we all know the POS Killzone 1 was.

This isn't specifically about Halo 3.

Its just that I would think that the console that was (self) proclaimed as the usher of the "HD era" would have it's big guns coming out in, oh I don't know, HD...

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#33 Crunchman
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As a trade-off, Bungie could've reduced graphical detail, settle for a lower frame-rate, use less HDR lighting effects, or settle for a slightly lower resolution and scale the output(which nobody would've noticed unless it was pointed out).

Which seems like the best choice?

In which case they may have need to (brace yourself fanboys) downgrade it :o. It doesn't matter how many people whine about it, it looked amazing when I first seen it and it still looks amazing now even if it isn't 'TEH TREU HD'. If it looks better with the sacrifice of a minial amount of resolution I'm happy :DMegaPigeon

Exactly.

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#34 EXLINK
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What I find funny is that Halo 3 still looks better than most other console games and its "not HD".
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#36 Crunchman
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What I find funny is that Halo 3 still looks better than most other console games and its "not HD".EXLINK

People need to whine about something...