Piracy is worse on consoles.

I am not saying this is a fact, Im just looking for people's opinion on this.

In my opinion I believe that "piracy"on consoles is just as bad if not worse than it is on PC.

How would this be possible?

A minority of people use mod chips and stuff like that to pirate games.

But where the main source of consoles "piracy" comes from is: Used game.

A game bought one time may get sold and re-bought anywhere from 2 to 8 times(maybe more)and yet the company makes money only on the first sale.(Not to mention its completly legal)

On PC, systems/programs like Steam prevent users from being able to re-sell a game they bought.

That is why in my opinion I believe that on consoles, companies loses alot more money than they would with PC piracy.

I am not saying this is a fact, Im just looking for people's opinion on this.

In my opinion I believe that "piracy"on consoles is just as bad if not worse than it is on PC.

How would this be possible?

A minority of people use mod chips and stuff like that to pirate games.

But where the main source of consoles "piracy" comes from is: Used game.

A game bought one time may get sold and re-bought anywhere from 2 to 8 times(maybe more)and yet the company makes money only on the first sale.(Not to mention its completly legal)

On PC, systems/programs like Steam prevent users from being able to re-sell a game they bought.

That is why in my opinion I believe that on consoles, companies loses alot more money than they would with PC piracy.

Sliverwarrior

But if it's legal it can't really be piracy...

Buying a used game is not illegal. Its not copyright infringement, therefore how is it piracy?

you're equating piracy to used games?

well that alone fails on the premise that atleast with used games the game is bought ATLEAST once so the company makes a profit. Whereas with piracy, the company makes no money at all.

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you're equating piracy to used games?

well that alone fails on the premise that atleast with used games the game is bought ATLEAST once so the company makes a profit. Whereas with piracy, the company makes no money at all.

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JPOBS

Buying a used game is not illegal. Its not copyright infringement, therefore how is it piracy?

-DrRobotnik-

I used the term piracy simply because in the end companies are losing large amount of money.

Legal or not companies or getting hurt because of this.

Its funny how I see about every companies developping for PC whining about piracy but I almost dont see any consoles ones whining about the LARGE amount of money they lose due to used games.

not illegal. not a pirate. wouldnt be surprised is somebody just said NOO i pirate stuff on the computer alot more then i do a console. your wrong. i dont. i think its wrong. people spend time to make these games and whats $50 bucks for hours of entertainment.

Buying a used game is not illegal. Its not copyright infringement, therefore how is it piracy?

-DrRobotnik-

Unfortunately it's very hard to track either piracy rates, or used game sales. If you use Crytek's piracy numbers (15-20 times the number of retail sales) then I doubt used games would even come close. Of course, Crytek just completely BS'd those number, and in reality, they're probably significantly lower, and used games might be as big of a factor as piracy.

Do used games negatively impact the console market? Yes

Does piracy negatively impact the PC market? Yes

Which is worse? Who knows.

actually piracy on the ps1 was horrendous!

i knew a certain someone who had litrally thousands of cd-r's lying around which were all games in his room :| and as i play those games with great enjoyment i was at the same time shocked and disgusted

Unfortunately it's very hard to track either piracy rates, or used game sales. If you use Crytek's piracy numbers (15-20 times the number of retail sales) then I doubt used games would even come close. Of course, Crytek just completely BS'd those number, and in reality, they're probably significantly lower, and used games might be as big of a factor as piracy.

Do used games negatively impact the console market? Yes

Does piracy negatively impact the PC market? Yes

Which is worse? Who knows.

agentfred

actually piracy on the ps1 was horrendous!

i knew a certain someone who had litrally thousands of cd-r's lying around which were all games in his room :| and as i play those games with great enjoyment i was at the same time shocked and disgusted

superjim42

wow....ignorance to the highest level is being displayed here by the TC. Used games fall NO WHERE near piracy and by saying so, you are just proving how little you know about the legalities of software sales and resale.Nedemis

lol where the hell do you get that stat, im not sure exaclty how manyn retail copys were sold, somehwere along th elines of 1million - 1.5 million i think, and to say that 15-20 million copys got pirated is complete bonkerskidcool189

"It's crazy how the ratio between sales to piracy is probably 1 to 15 to 1 to 20 right now. For one sale there are 15 to 20 pirates and pirate versions, and that's a big shame for the PC industry. I hope with Warhead I hope we improve the situation, but at the same time it may have an impact on [our] PC exclusivity in the future."

http://kotaku.com/5020530/cryteks-ceo-piracy-threatens-pc-exclusivity

Now the question becomes, where did they get that statistic?

[QUOTE="superjim42"]

actually piracy on the ps1 was horrendous!

i knew a certain someone who had litrally thousands of cd-r's lying around which were all games in his room :| and as i play those games with great enjoyment i was at the same time shocked and disgusted

0rin

ok maybe i was having too much enjoyment out of having a chest load of games to play through hehe :P

[QUOTE="Nedemis"]wow....ignorance to the highest level is being displayed here by the TC. Used games fall NO WHERE near piracy and by saying so, you are just proving how little you know about the legalities of software sales and resale.Vandalvideo

since when has it been difficult to go to the DMV?

since when has it been difficult to go to the DMV? Nedemis

Well this isnt really the gamers fault, as buying a used game is perfectly legal. Its the companies like Gamestop and GAME who dont pass on any of the profits from these resales that are to blame. Whereas with piracy, it is just gamers stealing the game for their pleasure.-DrRobotnik-

this is very true if you consider how gamestop mainly profits off of used game sales, and how they actually push customers to purchase used rather than new (aside from reserves which is used to determine how employees get their hours, since old games don't have legs reserves actually help prevent used game sales initially...) but then.. the only way to find many games in retail is from buying it used

but really consider for piracy you need to have the technical knowhow, and a high speed internet connection (plus whatever dvds, drives, chips you need to purchase on top of that if its for consoles) in order to buy a used game which the developer only profited from once.. you just need the money and the ability to goto any retail game store.. and since many parents buy games and many parents are not tech savvy, many people opt for used rather than new or pirated games

really you're better off renting if you can't afford a game and want to support the developer

but really consider for piracy you need to have the technical knowhow, and a high speed internet connection (plus whatever dvds, drives, chips you need to purchase on top of that if its for consoles) in order to buy a used game which the developer only profited from once.. you just need the money and the ability to goto any retail game store.. and since many parents buy games and many parents are not tech savvy, many people opt for used rather than new or pirated games

really you're better off renting if you can't afford a game and want to support the developer

voxware00

Despite the used game market, console titles generally sell more than PC games. A lot more, enough to pay for something like a big-budget SP title where it would lose money as a PC exclusive. As it stands right now, the market on consoles can sustain itself with big titles, so they're not going to actively gun for used games - rather try to add incentive to keep playing the games that you already bought rather than sell them with future DLC, etc.Makari

How do you work that one out? considering, most GREAT Console games sell a million + , and only a very small handful go into that 3-4 Million mark? in which case its then a Crime for us to WoW/D3/Starcraft II/Spore/Sims 3 labeled "Zomg blizzard what a shocker :roll:.

So can we start saying "Zomg Bungie and Epic , shocker :roll:" ?

[QUOTE="0rin"][QUOTE="superjim42"]

actually piracy on the ps1 was horrendous!

i knew a certain someone who had litrally thousands of cd-r's lying around which were all games in his room :| and as i play those games with great enjoyment i was at the same time shocked and disgusted

superjim42

ok maybe i was having too much enjoyment out of having a chest load of games to play through hehe :P

So selling used games should be illegal ? lets make selling used cars illegal too.

So selling used games should be illegal ? lets make selling used cars illegal too.

AtrumRegina

Fine by me, too many cars on the road as it is, used cars should be salvaged.

[QUOTE="Nedemis"]wow....ignorance to the highest level is being displayed here by the TC. Used games fall NO WHERE near piracy and by saying so, you are just proving how little you know about the legalities of software sales and resale.Vandalvideo

And thats why im glad i dont live in America. That is ridiculous.

since when has it been difficult to go to the DMV?

Nedemis

So selling used games should be illegal ? lets make selling used cars illegal too.

AtrumRegina

I can trade in my PC games as well...so by your logic PC has it far worse because of DOUBLE PIRACY!!!

I would also like to add that with used games the company at least gets some profit were as if it was completly stolen the company gets no money.

Reselling/trading in a game is not piracy, not even close people have been doing it with cars for like 30 years if you even think about it selling a house is the same thing.

The thing is piracy with PC is people don't even bother buying the original PC game product which = no profit for publishers.

[QUOTE="Makari"]Despite the used game market, console titles generally sell more than PC games. A lot more, enough to pay for something like a big-budget SP title where it would lose money as a PC exclusive. As it stands right now, the market on consoles can sustain itself with big titles, so they're not going to actively gun for used games - rather try to add incentive to keep playing the games that you already bought rather than sell them with future DLC, etc.PC360Wii

How do you work that one out? considering, most GREAT Console games sell a million + , and only a very small handful go into that 3-4 Million mark? in which case its then a Crime for us to WoW/D3/Starcraft II/Spore/Sims 3 labeled "Zomg blizzard what a shocker :roll:.

So can we start saying "Zomg Bungie and Epic , shocker :roll:" ?

[QUOTE="voxware00"]

but really consider for piracy you need to have the technical knowhow, and a high speed internet connection (plus whatever dvds, drives, chips you need to purchase on top of that if its for consoles) in order to buy a used game which the developer only profited from once.. you just need the money and the ability to goto any retail game store.. and since many parents buy games and many parents are not tech savvy, many people opt for used rather than new or pirated games

really you're better off renting if you can't afford a game and want to support the developer

foxhound_fox

which is why those places are black markets

the equivalent to that here are bootleg movies and merchandise(mainly for tourists, more common in NY) but thats generally it

i see used games almost equally destuctive to the industry as piracy in america though

the people buying a used game are more likely the people in the market to purchase the product than say the pirates, more representative of a lost sale

"When you buy a used game your still supporting the gaming industry in some way, stealing does not."

not likely, you're hindering the industry(developers see 0% of the profit off of a used game, much less than rented).. you are supporting the retailers however (and the big ones, not the mom and pop ones)

no used games are a completly different kettle of fish to piracy. piracy is like going into a toy shop and steal some toys. its theft.

used games is like selling on ure toys when ure done with em.

u have absolutely no right to steal anything.

u do have a right to sell/give away/ trade ure property. i know when u buy a game, u dont own the actual game. but u do own the disc, manual and licence to use it and u do (or at least should) have the right to do what u want with it.

on the digital distribution side, the inability to trade ure stuff is one very big downside of the system. buying software online is no different than buying it at retail and thus ppl should be allowed to trade their games on steam or impulse.

Piracy is much, much worse and easier to do on PCs. To run a pirated console game, you need to install a mod in your console and if you go online, you're screwed.Jigsaw9798

Not in older consoles for example the latest *cough Sega system*cough

But where the main source of consoles "piracy" comes from is: Used game.

A game bought one time may get sold and re-bought anywhere from 2 to 8 times(maybe more)and yet the company makes money only on the first sale.(Not to mention its completly legal)

On PC, systems/programs like Steam prevent users from being able to re-sell a game they bought.

That is why in my opinion I believe that on consoles, companies loses alot more money than they would with PC piracy.

Sliverwarrior

No frigging way:?

But i buy all my games used, they are cheap, and play just as well. If the disc is damaged, i can repair it, still cost me less. I can use a fresh box and home fix the manual getting the game nearly as good as new.

If used games market were to die, i would quit gaming

quick! someone go take down goodwill, they are killing the fashion industry. how about used vehicles, should we make that illegal as wellLordXelNaga