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#1 BattleTurtles
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I don't understand why Metacritic considers this a credible source. I know everyone is entitled to an opinion, but here are some questionable scores from Play:

KotOR-75

Kirby Canvas Curse-65

Sonic 2006-85

Lair-90

Does anyone agree with me?

Also:

Too Human- 88

Darksiders-100

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#2 xTheExploited
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I don't understand why Metacritic considers this a credible source. I know everyone is entitled to an opinion, but here are some questionable scores from Play:

KotOR-75

Kirby Canvas Curse-65

Sonic 2006-85

Lair-90

Does anyone agree with me?

BattleTurtles
They gave Lair a 90? :lol:
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#3 iLiveBy2words
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The score for KOTOR is still too high.

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#5 Snagal123
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Every review mag/site has questionable scores.

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#6 nintendoboy16
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[QUOTE="BattleTurtles"]

I don't understand why Metacritic considers this a credible source. I know everyone is entitled to an opinion, but here are some questionable scores from Play:

KotOR-75

Kirby Canvas Curse-65

Sonic 2006-85

Lair-90

Does anyone agree with me?

xTheExploited
They gave Lair a 90? :lol:

Giving Sonic 2006 an 85, that's even more laughable.
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#7 Half-Way
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LOL@ Lair score

while i agree that most sites have some questionable scores

like GS mario kart 64 score

or famitsus HAZE score

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#8 N7Sovereign
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Maybe PLAY works backwards. 1 is the best and 100 is the worst. It is the only logical explanation as to why Sonic and Lair have higher scores than KOTOR.
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#9 xTheExploited
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[QUOTE="xTheExploited"][QUOTE="BattleTurtles"]

I don't understand why Metacritic considers this a credible source. I know everyone is entitled to an opinion, but here are some questionable scores from Play:

KotOR-75

Kirby Canvas Curse-65

Sonic 2006-85

Lair-90

Does anyone agree with me?

nintendoboy16
They gave Lair a 90? :lol:

Giving Sonic 2006 an 85, that's even more laughable.

Never played the Sonic 2006 game so I wouldn't be able to say but I assume it is.
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#10 enterawesome
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Yeah, they shouldn't be counted. KOTOR at 75? Sonic 06 at 85? LAIR AT 90??!!! That has to be the ass-backward game publication I've ever seen.
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#11 svetzenlether
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The score for KOTOR is still too high.

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Wow, somebody's got crap taste...

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#12 789shadow
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Nothing counts but GS anyway.

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#13 methinksyou
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I know everyone is entitled to an opinion, but here are some questionable scoresBattleTurtles
Credible Source= Stating facts Credible source =/= Giving score you want them to give Just saying.
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#15 methinksyou
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[QUOTE="methinksyou"][QUOTE="BattleTurtles"]I know everyone is entitled to an opinion, but here are some questionable scoresenterawesome
Credible Source= Stating facts Credible source =/= Giving score you want them to give Just saying.

It's a fact KOTOR is better than Sonic 06 and Lair. Just saying.

Your opinion =/= Fact
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#16 stereointegrity
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[QUOTE="enterawesome"][QUOTE="methinksyou"] Credible Source= Stating facts Credible source =/= Giving score you want them to give Just saying. methinksyou
It's a fact KOTOR is better than Sonic 06 and Lair. Just saying.

Your opinion =/= Fact

but its a fact lair was horrible.....
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[QUOTE="stereointegrity"][QUOTE="methinksyou"][QUOTE="enterawesome"]It's a fact KOTOR is better than Sonic 06 and Lair. Just saying.

Your opinion =/= Fact

but its a fact lair was horrible.....

Well... It's a fact that Lair and Sonic 06 were critically panned. And it's a fact that Kotor received near-universal praise.
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#19 Ryukaton
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Can someone show me a web site/magazine that didnt screw up with one review?
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#20 BattleTurtles
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Can someone show me a web site/magazine that didnt screw up with one review?Ryukaton
From the reviews I've seen, Gametrailers.
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#21 DoomZaW
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Im surprised you didn't mention their Darksiders review (100/100) that Vigil then used in close to every damn commercial for the game

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#22 methinksyou
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[QUOTE="Ryukaton"]Can someone show me a web site/magazine that didnt screw up with one review?BattleTurtles
From the reviews I've seen, Gametrailers.

Kidding, right? Look at how much they gave to the story of Mario galaxy...
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#23 methinksyou
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[QUOTE="stereointegrity"][QUOTE="methinksyou"][QUOTE="enterawesome"]It's a fact KOTOR is better than Sonic 06 and Lair. Just saying.

Your opinion =/= Fact

but its a fact lair was horrible.....

Fact: Lair is a 4 letter word Opinion: Lair is a meh game. I never played the game,but these people disagree. AceGamez 12/11/07 9 out of 10 90.00% Play Magazine 08/01/07 9 out of 10 90.00% Playstation Universe 08/01/07 8.5 out of 10 85.00% Game Chronicles 10/12/07 8.5 out of 10 85.00% WonderwallWeb 11/01/07 8 out of 10 80.00% UGO 08/31/07 B 80.00% GameZone 08/30/07 7.5 out of 10 75.00% GamePro 09/01/07 3.75 out of 5 75.00% PGNx Media * 09/17/07 7.3 out of 10 73.00% Fragland 11/26/07 72.5 out of 100 72.50% Game Informer 09/01/07 7.25 out of 10 72.50% Gameplayer 11/29/07 7 out of 10 70.00% HonestGamers 09/27/07 7 out of 10 70.00% Deeko 09/11/07 7 out of 10 70.00% PSX Extreme 09/10/07 7 out of 10 70.00%
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#24 DoomZaW
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[QUOTE="stereointegrity"][QUOTE="methinksyou"] Your opinion =/= Factmethinksyou
but its a fact lair was horrible.....

Fact: Lair is a 4 letter word Opinion: Lair is a meh game. I never played the game,but these people disagree. AceGamez 12/11/07 9 out of 10 90.00% Play Magazine 08/01/07 9 out of 10 90.00% Playstation Universe 08/01/07 8.5 out of 10 85.00% Game Chronicles 10/12/07 8.5 out of 10 85.00% WonderwallWeb 11/01/07 8 out of 10 80.00% UGO 08/31/07 B 80.00% GameZone 08/30/07 7.5 out of 10 75.00% GamePro 09/01/07 3.75 out of 5 75.00% PGNx Media * 09/17/07 7.3 out of 10 73.00% Fragland 11/26/07 72.5 out of 100 72.50% Game Informer 09/01/07 7.25 out of 10 72.50% Gameplayer 11/29/07 7 out of 10 70.00% HonestGamers 09/27/07 7 out of 10 70.00% Deeko 09/11/07 7 out of 10 70.00% PSX Extreme 09/10/07 7 out of 10 70.00%

and 40 other reviewers think otherwise, along with the general population

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#25 VendettaRed07
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they also gave both Darksiders and Heavenly Sword a 10... 10....

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#26 Ultra_Combo
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they also gave both Darksiders and Heavenly Sword a 10... 10....

VendettaRed07

Well it is all opinion, I'm sure you'll see the many posters and myself proclaim 7.5-8.5 games being better then alot of AAA rated games , just saying.

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#27 methinksyou
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they also gave both Darksiders and Heavenly Sword a 10... 10....

VendettaRed07
They prove they have a opinion, instead of giving a score that most people want to hear, then justifying the score,because that is all i have seen from major review sites(except one review here or there).
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#29 methinksyou
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The editor of Gameinformer once accused Play of accepting bribes for scores. The EGM editor accused Play as well of doing the same thing.

kuu2
Source? I am really curious about this.
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#30 good_sk8er7
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[QUOTE="methinksyou"][QUOTE="enterawesome"]It's a fact KOTOR is better than Sonic 06 and Lair. Just saying.stereointegrity
Your opinion =/= Fact

but its a fact lair was horrible.....

I actually liked Lair.. And KOTOR bored me to freakin death!!!

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#31 chocolate1325
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Sonic 2006 85 that must be a miss print.

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#32 Dead-Memories
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The score for KOTOR is still too high.

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#33 trasherhead
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Play hasn't had cred since the late 90's.
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#34 VendettaRed07
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[QUOTE="VendettaRed07"]

they also gave both Darksiders and Heavenly Sword a 10... 10....

methinksyou

They prove they have a opinion, instead of giving a score that most people want to hear, then justifying the score,because that is all i have seen from major review sites(except one review here or there).

well and opinion can be wrong... Giving a 9 to lair is basically the same as saying Hitler actually wasn't that bad of a guy..

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#35 toxicmog
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[QUOTE="BattleTurtles"]

I don't understand why Metacritic considers this a credible source. I know everyone is entitled to an opinion, but here are some questionable scores from Play:

KotOR-75

Kirby Canvas Curse-65

Sonic 2006-85

Lair-90

Does anyone agree with me?

xTheExploited
They gave Lair a 90? :lol:

Maybe they received the 'How to play Lair' pack before they reviewed it :P They were lol packs.
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#36 mitu123
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They need to be stoned for giving KotOR a 75 while broken and glitchy games like Sonic 06 gets a 85.:lol:

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#37 shakmaster13
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[QUOTE="methinksyou"][QUOTE="VendettaRed07"]

they also gave both Darksiders and Heavenly Sword a 10... 10....

VendettaRed07

They prove they have a opinion, instead of giving a score that most people want to hear, then justifying the score,because that is all i have seen from major review sites(except one review here or there).

well and opinion can be wrong... Giving a 9 to lair is basically the same as saying Hitler actually wasn't that bad of a guy..

He was more of a nutjob than a bad guy imo. And Lair wasn't that bad once you got used to the controls, and they even patched easier controls so there's really nothing bad about it except lack of decent multiplayer.

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#38 II_Seraphim_II
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[QUOTE="iLiveBy2words"]

The score for KOTOR is still too high.

svetzenlether

Wow, somebody's got crap taste...

lol, i hate KOTOR too :P Too much talking, and its all done in the most mundane and boring manner possible. For 80% of the game you watch your avatar just standing there doing nothing but moving his lips. And the combat is so weak. It's basically get a lightsaber, the end. Armor is negligible, and sure you can use guns to be different, but its clear all this game is is get a light saber and win. No tactics, no decisions on which armor is better, just whip out ur light saber and wear your stupid jedi armor, and you've beat the game. Did I mention how boring the combat is?
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#39 PannicAtack
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Isn't criticizing a Bioware game for having too much dialogue kind of like criticizing an opera for having too much singing?
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#40 jerkface96
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it seems like they give all JRPGs, and they just give games that are different but not necessarily good, a decent score.

PLay Mag and Game Pro i think are the worst ones.

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Everybody can have their own opinion... no matter how wrong it may be.

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#42 DEATH775
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Are[QUOTE="BattleTurtles"]

I don't understand why Metacritic considers this a credible source. I know everyone is entitled to an opinion, but here are some questionable scores from Play:

KotOR-75

Kirby Canvas Curse-65

Sonic 2006-85

Lair-90

Does anyone agree with me?

Also:

Too Human- 88

Darksiders-100

Too Human 88? You have got to be kidding me. Darksiders 100 that is just too much. Darksiders should be 80
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#43 Jesus_on_fire
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Everybody can have their own opinion... no matter how wrong it may be.

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And what exactly makes it a wrong opinion?

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#44 hakanakumono
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RPGfan shouldn't be counted either, but it's on metacritic too.

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#45 skrat_01
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GS underscored games like Deus Ex. Go figure.
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#46 Mystic-G
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All reviewers give questionable scores, it's nothing new. if we went by this logic no site/magazine would be credible. You have to look at each game's reviews with discretion and pick and choose what are the pros/cons that are given by the majority.

My problem with review scores is that it puts pressure on games to be 9.0+ otherwise many people won't buy them. I'm not saying games shouldn't strive to be the best, but many games below that mark are still fun as hell to play. The irony is that people speak of elitism all the time in the gaming world and yet most without knowing are elitists in such a way that they will go from a buy to a rent because of such without noting whether the flaws would kill the game for them. And I know someone's gonna come along with a sales chart to moot my opinion, but I'm referring to 'most' games, there are some exceptions where marketing somehow prevailed.

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#47 ElTriforceo
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I agree. Only time I liked their review was when they gave Muramasa: The Demon Blade a perfect score since I love the game... but it doesn't deserve a 10, so even when I like it I disagree.

[QUOTE="iLiveBy2words"]

The score for KOTOR is still too high.

svetzenlether

Wow, somebody's got crap taste...

Off Topic: I was thinking about getting KOTOR since I honestly have not played a Bioware RPG (I know, I suck) and want a fairly old game that can run well on my computer. Will it feel dated these days or is it still worth getting?
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#48 mitu123
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I agree. Only time I liked their review was when they gave Muramasa: The Demon Blade a perfect score since I love the game... but it doesn't deserve a 10, so even when I like it I disagree. [QUOTE="svetzenlether"]

[QUOTE="iLiveBy2words"]

The score for KOTOR is still too high.

ElTriforceo

Wow, somebody's got crap taste...

Off Topic: I was thinking about getting KOTOR since I honestly have not played a Bioware RPG (I know, I suck) and want a fairly old game that can run well on my computer. Will it feel dated these days or is it still worth getting?

I say buy it.

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#49 Cerberus_Legion
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Play Magazine's staff seems to love the oddball games. Truth be told, I don't particularly care what they grade games or what anyone else grades games, but when I read Play's reviews, their writing always gives me a sense that they genuinely love video games and they're not there to critique it as much as just give their enthused and unabashed opinion, which, to their tastes, is entirely different to most gaming publications, especially Official Xbox Magazine, which seems to love FPS/TPS games more so than any other genre (they gave Frontline: Fuel of War a 9 for goodness sakes). Whatever. Their opinion. I like reading Play, however. They seem more like gaming enthusiasts than anything else, and when it comes to mainstream darlings, they don't sound like extended advertising campaigns.

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#50 ElTriforceo
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[QUOTE="ElTriforceo"]I agree. Only time I liked their review was when they gave Muramasa: The Demon Blade a perfect score since I love the game... but it doesn't deserve a 10, so even when I like it I disagree. [QUOTE="svetzenlether"]

Wow, somebody's got crap taste...

mitu123

Off Topic: I was thinking about getting KOTOR since I honestly have not played a Bioware RPG (I know, I suck) and want a fairly old game that can run well on my computer. Will it feel dated these days or is it still worth getting?

I say buy it.

Just did :D. I'm not even sure if my pathetic laptop can run it, if it can't I'll use my mom's desktop I guess, but that defeats the purpose of me getting this. Oh well, $10, I can live without it..