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#1 E_x_i_l_e
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I believe will allow developers to tap the real power of the PS3. It'll also shut down the excuses developers give that PS3 is too hard to develop for

 

What are your thoughts?

 

EDIT: FOUND A DEMO OF EDGE!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOx2jeiFhls 

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#2 whoisryanmack
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uhh...sure?
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weren't there similar arguments last gen? PS2 had the most "hidden power" which turned out to be the power to BS.
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weren't there similar arguments last gen? PS2 had the most "hidden power" which turned out to be the power to BS.GunSmith1_basic
seen GOW2 lately?
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[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]weren't there similar arguments last gen? PS2 had the most "hidden power" which turned out to be the power to BS.whoisryanmack
seen GOW2 lately?

actually I havent. So you're saying that the very last games on the ps2 finally unlocked "the power"? You'd better hope that the same isn't true for the ps3. Anyway, any system could improve a lot in what, 6 years now?
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[QUOTE="whoisryanmack"][QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]weren't there similar arguments last gen? PS2 had the most "hidden power" which turned out to be the power to BS.GunSmith1_basic
seen GOW2 lately?

actually I havent. So you're saying that the very last games on the ps2 finally unlocked "the power"? You'd better hope that the same isn't true for the ps3. Anyway, any system could improve a lot in what, 6 years now?

You're right, that would be a little long. Even the original GOW was extremely impressive, and a few other titles around that time were as well. Still, I don't even know what ps3 Edge is, so I don't really know what we're discussing.
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#7 E_x_i_l_e
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History doesnt always repeat itself. PS3 is a whole new piece of hardware. Developers have been having a harder time developing quality games for the PS3 correct? Playstation Edge was released to help developers utilize the power of PS3 and make it easier to develop for. http://www.gdconf.com/news/tracks/programming/sony_presents_playstation_edge.htm
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#8 Speer16
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Edge will definatly hepl developers.

 Won't hurt anything...

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#9 KAS3Y_JAM3Z
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[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]weren't there similar arguments last gen? PS2 had the most "hidden power" which turned out to be the power to BS.whoisryanmack
seen GOW2 lately?

the xbox had better looking games buddy...
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#10 whoisryanmack
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[QUOTE="whoisryanmack"][QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]weren't there similar arguments last gen? PS2 had the most "hidden power" which turned out to be the power to BS.KAS3Y_JAM3Z
seen GOW2 lately?

the xbox had better looking games buddy...

and? xbox is irrelevant when discussing ps2's evolution.
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#11 Zenkuso
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Still doesn't help that the ps3 cell wasn't really designed to be used for gaming or general processing in general, thats the main problem which no toolkit can really fix because you still have to work around that no matter what. It will help but won't be dramatic like people think it is, i've seen the edge myself and whilst it does bring up the current level needed to help developers it doesn't bring it anywhere near the other consoles toolkits.
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#12 Flame1
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[QUOTE="whoisryanmack"][QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]weren't there similar arguments last gen? PS2 had the most "hidden power" which turned out to be the power to BS.KAS3Y_JAM3Z
seen GOW2 lately?

the xbox had better looking games buddy...

yet the ps2 still won.
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Riiiight. :roll:

Release teh powah!!! 

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#14 E_x_i_l_e
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Still doesn't help that the ps3 cell wasn't really designed to be used for gaming or general processing in general, thats the main problem which no toolkit can really fix because you still have to work around that no matter what. It will help but won't be dramatic like people think it is, i've seen the edge myself and whilst it does bring up the current level needed to help developers it doesn't bring it anywhere near the other consoles toolkits. Zenkuso
Sure.. you've seen it..
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#15 E_x_i_l_e
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOx2jeiFhls ^^ found a demo of a small bit that Edge can do
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[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]weren't there similar arguments last gen? PS2 had the most "hidden power" which turned out to be the power to BS.whoisryanmack
seen GOW2 lately?

um.....and how many years after the PS2 came out did this happen?
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[QUOTE="KAS3Y_JAM3Z"][QUOTE="whoisryanmack"][QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]weren't there similar arguments last gen? PS2 had the most "hidden power" which turned out to be the power to BS.Flame1

seen GOW2 lately?



the xbox had better looking games buddy...


yet the ps2 still won.

Exactly!

They won because they had the better library and superior market share.

And guess who has that this gen? 

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#18 Flame1
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[QUOTE="Flame1"][QUOTE="KAS3Y_JAM3Z"][QUOTE="whoisryanmack"][QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]weren't there similar arguments last gen? PS2 had the most "hidden power" which turned out to be the power to BS.Dm1uciano


seen GOW2 lately?



the xbox had better looking games buddy...


yet the ps2 still won.

Exactly!

They won because they had the better library and superior market share.

And guess who has that this gen?

for the long term..........the ps3?
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#19 E_x_i_l_e
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Read the original post.
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#20 pundog
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I'm sure it will help but I don't see it pushing the PS3 far ahead (or even ahead period) of the 360, or PC for that matter. Its just that the cell is starting to seem more and more like one of those cool ideas that never worked out, like the Delorean and Powerglove (okay so the powerglove was never a good idea).

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#21 Filonus
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOx2jeiFhls

^^ found a demo of a small bit that Edge can doE_x_i_l_e

 

you know they made that in a very very short space of time.

 

Getaway will most likely be one of the greatest looking games on a console period

this realtime demo completely blew me away aswelll   

http://youtube.com/watch?v=3tYkKjshWhI 

 

i hope the gameplay is really good.  Hopefully they've learnt from their mistakes with the first iterations of the franchise. 

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[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"][QUOTE="whoisryanmack"][QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]weren't there similar arguments last gen? PS2 had the most "hidden power" which turned out to be the power to BS.whoisryanmack

seen GOW2 lately?



actually I havent. So you're saying that the very last games on the ps2 finally unlocked "the power"? You'd better hope that the same isn't true for the ps3. Anyway, any system could improve a lot in what, 6 years now?


You're right, that would be a little long. Even the original GOW was extremely impressive, and a few other titles around that time were as well. Still, I don't even know what ps3 Edge is, so I don't really know what we're discussing.



Its a dev tool that aims at making PS3 easier to develop for
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#23 E_x_i_l_e
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Getaway uses Playstation Edge correct? and yes I know they made it in a very very short space of time. 2 devs 1 artist in 2 weeks I believe thats what he said at the end (I don't feel like re listening to it)
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#24 Tiefster
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[QUOTE="E_x_i_l_e"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOx2jeiFhls

^^ found a demo of a small bit that Edge can doFilonus

 

you know they made that in a very very short space of time.

 

Getaway will most likely be one of the greatest looking games on a console period

this realtime demo completely blew me away aswelll

http://youtube.com/watch?v=3tYkKjshWhI

 

i hope the gameplay is really good. Hopefully they've learnt from their mistakes with the first iterations of the franchise.


Yea, supposedly it was made in two weeks by one artist and two programmers. If that is true then that will surely cut development costs just because the small amount of people you need to devote to a project.
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weren't there similar arguments last gen? PS2 had the most "hidden power" which turned out to be the power to BS.GunSmith1_basic
this is a good thing why u had to ruin it?
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[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]weren't there similar arguments last gen? PS2 had the most "hidden power" which turned out to be the power to BS.whoisryanmack
seen GOW2 lately?

seriosiously...GunSmith1 must be on crack.
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#27 Flame1
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im skeptical that was done in 2 weeks by 1 artist and 2 programmers. i want it to be true but i just dont know................
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#28 Viviath
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Wow...760 characters and 50 cars on the screen... :O
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#29 E_x_i_l_e
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yep :) i believe it, there was obviously a reason Edge was released and thats the reason
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[QUOTE="Flame1"][QUOTE="KAS3Y_JAM3Z"][QUOTE="whoisryanmack"][QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]weren't there similar arguments last gen? PS2 had the most "hidden power" which turned out to be the power to BS.Dm1uciano


seen GOW2 lately?



the xbox had better looking games buddy...


yet the ps2 still won.

Exactly!

They won because they had the better library and superior market share.

And guess who has that this gen? 

The Wii 

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#31 pundog
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[QUOTE="Dm1uciano"]

[QUOTE="Flame1"][QUOTE="KAS3Y_JAM3Z"][QUOTE="whoisryanmack"][QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]weren't there similar arguments last gen? PS2 had the most "hidden power" which turned out to be the power to BS.Metroid_Time


seen GOW2 lately?



the xbox had better looking games buddy...


yet the ps2 still won.

Exactly!

They won because they had the better library and superior market share.

And guess who has that this gen? 

The Wii 

Really? I must have skipped the part where it said that the Wii has more sales and more AAA and AA games than the 360.
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#32 E_x_i_l_e
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360 had a year headstart, Nintendo's doing one hell of a job catching up. I personally think the hype over Wii will die down over time.
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#33 coratel
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weren't there similar arguments last gen? PS2 had the most "hidden power" which turned out to be the power to BS.GunSmith1_basic
Shadow of the Colossus, God of War, Okami, Gran Turismo 4, Burnout Revenge, these are all games that looked frickin amazing on the PS2. Sure, they came a little later in the life cycle, but thats to be expected. I'm just excited to see what both the 360 and the PS3 will look like 5 years from now. I own both so thats nice too. The wii on the other hand, it barely held my attention gameplay wise so hopefully it will pick up in these other departments as well (as it likely will). Game on.
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#34 Flame1
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that demo is really impressive, how come no one ever talks about it? or is it just old?
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#35 pundog
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that demo is really impressive, how come no one ever talks about it? or is it just old?Flame1
Because its a demo. A Sony demo. Like Killzone 2. How did that turn out?
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weren't there similar arguments last gen? PS2 had the most "hidden power" which turned out to be the power to BS.GunSmith1_basic

 

God Of War, Metal Gear Solid, FFXII, Jak, Ratchet, FFX, DMC, Gran Turismo 4 (In 1080i)...yeah, it wasn't BS. 

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#37 Flame1
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[QUOTE="Flame1"]that demo is really impressive, how come no one ever talks about it? or is it just old?pundog
Because its a demo. A Sony demo. Like Killzone 2. How did that turn out?

well they actually moved things around and added and changed stuff on the fly in this one so obviously it wasnt a cg movie.
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[QUOTE="Flame1"]that demo is really impressive, how come no one ever talks about it? or is it just old?pundog

Because its a demo. A Sony demo. Like Killzone 2. How did that turn out?

 

no you're mistaken pundog. There's a huuuge difference betweeen the vids posted on this thread and the killzone 2 TRAILER. 

The killzone 2 trailer was a trailer, which was composed of entirely cgi. it was supposed to be a estimation of what the game will end up looking like. This wasn't explained at first and sony kinda lost some cred from people who pay attention to all this commotion.

The getaway demo is realtime, u'know what that means dont you? 

the camera's perspective is clearly manipulated in that vid.

 

 

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[QUOTE="pundog"][QUOTE="Flame1"]that demo is really impressive, how come no one ever talks about it? or is it just old?Filonus


Because its a demo. A Sony demo. Like Killzone 2. How did that turn out?

 

no you're mistaken pundog. There's a huuuge difference betweeen the vids posted on this thread and the killzone 2 TRAILER. 

The killzone 2 trailer was a trailer, which was composed of entirely cgi. it was supposed to be a estimation of what the game will end up looking like. This wasn't explained at first and sony kinda lost some cred from people who pay attention to all this commotion.

The getaway demo is realtime, u'know what that means dont you? 

the camera's perspective is clearly manipulated in that vid.

 

 

Okay fair enough, but a demo is only a demo, Like I said in an earlier post, Edge will improve PS3 games but you can't tell by a demo how much it will really help.
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[QUOTE="Filonus"]

[QUOTE="pundog"][QUOTE="Flame1"]that demo is really impressive, how come no one ever talks about it? or is it just old?pundog


Because its a demo. A Sony demo. Like Killzone 2. How did that turn out?

 

no you're mistaken pundog. There's a huuuge difference betweeen the vids posted on this thread and the killzone 2 TRAILER.

The killzone 2 trailer was a trailer, which was composed of entirely cgi. it was supposed to be a estimation of what the game will end up looking like. This wasn't explained at first and sony kinda lost some cred from people who pay attention to all this commotion.

The getaway demo is realtime, u'know what that means dont you?

the camera's perspective is clearly manipulated in that vid.

 

 


Okay fair enough, but a demo is only a demo, Like I said in an earlier post, Edge will improve PS3 games but you can't tell by a demo how much it will really help.

 

well considering that that demo was created in about 2 weeks or so, i think edge is probably gonna help a tad bit  

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#41 E_x_i_l_e
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well considering that was built in 2 weeks by 2 programmers 1 artist .. i say that'll help a LOT
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#42 MorisUkunRasik
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well considering that was built in 2 weeks by 2 programmers 1 artist .. i say that'll help a LOTE_x_i_l_e
thats insane
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#43 deactivated-5a28cb1c71427
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[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]weren't there similar arguments last gen? PS2 had the most "hidden power" which turned out to be the power to BS.SolidTy

 

God Of War, Metal Gear Solid, FFXII, Jak, Ratchet, FFX, DMC, Gran Turismo 4 (In 1080i)...yeah, it wasn't BS. 

And by 1080i you mean 1080p. :P
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well considering that was built in 2 weeks by 2 programmers 1 artist .. i say that'll help a LOTE_x_i_l_e

Yeah the resources of the demo were taken from getaway (which is already in testing builds) they are working on, the programmers were used to implement the resources using edge and the artist was used to make use the animation models were correct. 

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[QUOTE="whoisryanmack"][QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]weren't there similar arguments last gen? PS2 had the most "hidden power" which turned out to be the power to BS.KAS3Y_JAM3Z

seen GOW2 lately?



the xbox had better looking games buddy...

yea and its dead now

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[QUOTE="whoisryanmack"][QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]weren't there similar arguments last gen? PS2 had the most "hidden power" which turned out to be the power to BS.KAS3Y_JAM3Z
seen GOW2 lately?

the xbox had better looking games buddy...

but the xbox hadn't that big gap between its launch games and the final games that hit it befor it died.
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