playstation move----wii

so, i was reading and article about playstation move.....and i used to think that it was just a wii knock off and would suck untill i saw this. the move is gonna use accelerometers and gyroscopes and magnets.....instead of infrared sensors.....yea itll be more expensive, but it will definately work faster, especially since its using bluetooth for input.....

so my question is.....did nintendo really want the wii to be a good gaming system, or were they just tryin to make tons off of the gimick, cause the motion plus attachment really didnt help that much.....it seems to me, imho, that sony took their time and did research and is learning from the mistakes of nintendo in the hopes that core gamer(ones who play playstation) will actually use move as a competitive alternative for the 6 axis.

what do u guys think? also do u think nintendo will upgrade majorly for their next console or do u think theyre out?

it's still a knock-off. knock-offs can be better.

as they waited and watched to see what the competition did.

and Nintendo's goal at the start was to provide an afforable console, and they delivered. Sony simply used the PS3(from the start) as a way to push Blu-Ray players at people, win the format war, etc. (the situation is different now, mind you)

now, however, I would say Nintendo is pushing it. They've only initiated one price cut since the Wii's launch....I'm assuming that Sony/MS aren't forcing enough competition on them yet, so of course they won't drop.

for their next console? I think Nintendo is perfectly capable of creating a powerful console, but I think they're going to keep falling away from that tradition. they have their thing, and it's working. and considering the way we criticise casual gamers around here, I'd assume those people won't change either.

its an evolution. A good one or bad one thats up to you

it's still a knock-off. knock-offs can be better.

as they waited and watched to see what the competition did.

and Nintendo's goal at the start was to provide an afforable console, and they delivered. Sony simply used the PS3(from the start) as a way to push Blu-Ray players at people, win the format war, etc. (the situation is different now, mind you)

now, however, I would say Nintendo is pushing it. They've only initiated one price cut since the Wii's launch....I'm assuming that Sony/MS aren't forcing enough competition on them yet, so of course they won't drop.

for their next console? I think Nintendo is perfectly capable of creating a powerful console, but I think they're going to keep falling away from that tradition. they have their thing, and it's working. and considering the way we criticise casual gamers around here, I'd assume those people won't change either.

HavocV3

well i dont mean upgrade the console....not too much...i mean they can and not make it much more expensive....they could just copy a 360 or ps3 and be miles ahead and sell it for the same price they did the wii....im talkin the controller tho....i mean, whenever i can use a gamecube controller....i do....because i have this tendency to want to throw the wii-mote cause of the delay....

Lol, wut? "Instead of infared sensors" Don't you mean without infrared sensors? Devil-Itachi

no...i mean instead....the move is supposed to use that stuff to gather input info as opposed to having an infrared beam which constantly has to be pointed at a sensor in order for motion to be recognized....., but i guess u could say without as well....to each his own...made sense when i wrote it

Nintendo pulled off motion control quite nicely, it really isnt bad.

If Sony didnt improve upon what Nintendo set up Id consider them complete idiots.

Sony is trying to compete with Nintendo more closely now, its really only normal that they have a superior concept 4 years after the fact.

[QUOTE="Devil-Itachi"]Lol, wut? "Instead of infared sensors" Don't you mean without infrared sensors? lpjazzman220

no...i mean instead....the move is supposed to use that stuff to gather input info as opposed to having an infrared beam which constantly has to be pointed at a sensor in order for motion to be recognized....., but i guess u could say without as well....to each his own...made sense when i wrote it

That's not exactly how either the Wiimote or Move works...

The Wiimote itself has two sensors: The first is an accelerometer for detecting tilt and acceleration. It handles the former better than the latter, perhaps because it can only detect orientation when not accelerating. The second is a near-infrared camera on the front, which tracks two IR sources on the sensor bar. This is only for the pointer. WM+ adds a gyro to the mix for more accurate motion sensing. The Nunchuk also has an accelerometer, though of lesser quality than the one built into the Wiimote.

Move uses three sensors: A accelerometer for detecting linear movement. A rate sensor, which is similar in function to a gyro, for detecting tilt. And then finally the third "sensor" is actually the PSEye, which tracks the glowing sphere on the top of the controller. There are no magnets involved.

Both controllers connect to their respective consoles via bluetooth.

so, i was reading and article about playstation move.....and i used to think that it was just a wii knock off and would suck untill i saw this. the move is gonna use accelerometers and gyroscopes and magnets.....instead of infrared sensors.....yea itll be more expensive, but it will definately work faster, especially since its using bluetooth for input.....

so my question is.....did nintendo really want the wii to be a good gaming system, or were they just tryin to make tons off of the gimick, cause the motion plus attachment really didnt help that much.....it seems to me, imho, that sony took their time and did research and is learning from the mistakes of nintendo in the hopes that core gamer(ones who play playstation) will actually use move as a competitive alternative for the 6 axis.

what do u guys think? also do u think nintendo will upgrade majorly for their next console or do u think theyre out?

lpjazzman220

The Move seems like it'll fail because of Sony's one dimensional perspective of Nintendo's success with the Wii. The design is pretty terrible too. You cant even turn it sideways.

the moves ability to track the device with ps eye is the biggest difference.... if you think about this its good for the wii audience because the shovelware can go somewere else for once.... anyway the wii has gotten stale to most people,not many like sitting and waiting for minor updates to old games..... how long can someone live in the past?the normal wii argument is

graphics dont matter

exclusives matter

we sell the most

when all are wrong besides the last one.

1.graphics do matter

2.if exclusives matter than ps3 and 360 are winning by a longshot because theres no real wii ports.

3. the wii is 1st because children and older people dont like or arent alowed to play hardcore games.

if nintendo wants to stay afloat they need to go hd and drift away from their idea of if we remake the same ips slightly better well win attitude,

the moves tech has been done before. its used in movies all the time. the wiis tech is old and outdated. natals tech is a whole nother ballgame.

The Move seems like it'll fail because of Sony's one dimensional perspective of Nintendo's success with the Wii. The design is pretty terrible too. You cant even turn it sideways.

InfinityMugen

it's a knock-off and as far as i can tell it's exactly the same games are just retarded "gangsta" versions of wii minigames. it's a stupid copycat product, but that's to be expected from sonybenbeckman

guess you havent done much research then

it's a knock-off and as far as i can tell it's exactly the same games are just retarded "gangsta" versions of wii minigames. it's a stupid copycat product, but that's to be expected from sonybenbeckman

so, i was reading and article about playstation move.....and i used to think that it was just a wii knock off and would suck untill i saw this. the move is gonna use accelerometers and gyroscopes and magnets.....instead of infrared sensors.....yea itll be more expensive, but it will definately work faster, especially since its using bluetooth for input.....

so my question is.....did nintendo really want the wii to be a good gaming system, or were they just tryin to make tons off of the gimick, cause the motion plus attachment really didnt help that much.....it seems to me, imho, that sony took their time and did research and is learning from the mistakes of nintendo in the hopes that core gamer(ones who play playstation) will actually use move as a competitive alternative for the 6 axis.

what do u guys think? also do u think nintendo will upgrade majorly for their next console or do u think theyre out?

Move uses three sensors: A accelerometer for detecting linear movement. A rate sensor, which is similar in function to a gyro, for detecting tilt. And then finally the third "sensor" is actually the PSEye, which tracks the glowing sphere on the top of the controller. There are no magnets involved.

Both controllers connect to their respective consoles via bluetooth.

ThePlothole

the moves ability to track the device with ps eye is the biggest difference.... if you think about this its good for the wii audience because the shovelware can go somewere else for once.... anyway the wii has gotten stale to most people,not many like sitting and waiting for minor updates to old games..... how long can someone live in the past?the normal wii argument is

graphics dont matter

exclusives matter

we sell the most

when all are wrong besides the last one.

1.graphics do matter

2.if exclusives matter than ps3 and 360 are winning by a longshot because theres no real wii ports.

3. the wii is 1st because children and older people dont like or arent alowed to play hardcore games.

if nintendo wants to stay afloat they need to go hd and drift away from their idea of if we remake the same ips slightly better well win attitude,

the moves tech has been done before. its used in movies all the time. the wiis tech is old and outdated. natals tech is a whole nother ballgame.

adamlovesu

1. Graphics don't matter to a great extent. They do need to exist and be functional.
2. Exclusives do matter. If you got a PS3 or 360 and you look to get the other one or Wii the exclusives would be the deciding factor. Unless of course the individual cares more about resolution than games. Not to say one couldn't choose the other exclusives over the other.
3. Seems Irrelevant on both sides.

[QUOTE="ThePlothole"]Move uses three sensors: A accelerometer for detecting linear movement. A rate sensor, which is similar in function to a gyro, for detecting tilt. And then finally the third "sensor" is actually the PSEye, which tracks the glowing sphere on the top of the controller. There are no magnets involved.

Both controllers connect to their respective consoles via bluetooth.

killzowned24

Hmm... okay, it seems I missed that detail on initial examination.

Heh, "Terrestrial magnetic field sensor". Sony sure loves to impress with their technobabble! :roll: The device is actually called a "magnetometer". It's exactly the same sensor you will find in the iPhone and numerous other cell phones with digital compass functionality.

D) Wiimote can have 4 players, move cannot.nintendo-4life

Technically you could have four player if only a Move controller is needed. You just can't have four Move and four Nunch... "Navigation" controllers.

You have to buy Move so Its is not only a knockoff but It will fail. The Wii comes with motion so It is better.

It is a Wii knock-off. Hopefuly any and everybody sees that.

C) None of them support true 1:1 motion sensing, the difference i miniscule at best.nintendo-4life

The Move seems like it'll fail because of Sony's one dimensional perspective of Nintendo's success with the Wii. The design is pretty terrible too. You cant even turn it sideways.

InfinityMugen

It is a Wii knock-off. Hopefuly any and everybody sees that.

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"]C) None of them support true 1:1 motion sensing, the difference i miniscule at best.killab2oo5

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"]D) Wiimote can have 4 players, move cannot.ThePlothole

Technically you could have four player if only a Move controller is needed. You just can't have four Move and four Nunch... "Navigation" controllers.

[QUOTE="ThePlothole"][QUOTE="nintendo-4life"]D) Wiimote can have 4 players, move cannot.nintendo-4life

Technically you could have four player if only a Move controller is needed. You just can't have four Move and four Nunch... "Navigation" controllers.

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"]D) Wiimote can have 4 players, move cannot.ThePlothole

Technically you could have four player if only a Move controller is needed. You just can't have four Move and four Nunch... "Navigation" controllers.

motion plus is by far not 1;1 lmao. move is ACTUALLY 1;1 plus wasnt even made for that it was made so that when your body moves off screen the controller is as well. thats all. move is 1;1. plus is the same garbage as the wiimote.adamlovesu

Wut?

None of them are 1:1. Both the Wiimote with MotionPlus and Move have lag, but as of now Move has more lag then the Wiimote because it uses that dumb camera to track things instead of the IR sensor.

As for Move games, people played Wii Sports because the visual direction was simple and had caricatures of themselves, no one want's a realistic Wii Sports. We've seen one with Move and it looks ugly.

[QUOTE="ThePlothole"][QUOTE="nintendo-4life"]D) Wiimote can have 4 players, move cannot.PandaBear86

Technically you could have four player if only a Move controller is needed. You just can't have four Move and four Nunch... "Navigation" controllers.

Sony's whole motion control setup is cumbersome enough as is. Another type of Navigation controller would only serve to confuse consumers. Especially if they still have to recharge the battery in this wired model.

PS In fact it's a limitation with Bluetooth in general.

[QUOTE="ThePlothole"][QUOTE="nintendo-4life"]D) Wiimote can have 4 players, move cannot.PandaBear86

Technically you could have four player if only a Move controller is needed. You just can't have four Move and four Nunch... "Navigation" controllers.

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"][QUOTE="ThePlothole"]

Technically you could have four player if only a Move controller is needed. You just can't have four Move and four Nunch... "Navigation" controllers.

PandaBear86

i think it's great, it's a frank copycat, but it seems it will work ...... the thing is Sony needs two things now: good pricing for the OPTIONAL peripheral and good games to support that ( which means Move inclusion in every possible game) + creating new games which use its high perision and advantages over the Wii ....... Only possible on the PS3 :P .

[QUOTE="PandaBear86"]

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"] That's what i'm saying. Move will never be able to provide a Mario Kart experience.nintendo-4life

no one want's a realistic Wii Sports. We've seen one with Move and it looks ugly.

Haziqonfire

so, i was reading and article about playstation move.....and i used to think that it was just a wii knock off and would suck untill i saw this. the move is gonna use accelerometers and gyroscopes and magnets.....instead of infrared sensors.....yea itll be more expensive, but it will definately work faster, especially since its using bluetooth for input.....

so my question is.....did nintendo really want the wii to be a good gaming system, or were they just tryin to make tons off of the gimick, cause the motion plus attachment really didnt help that much.....it seems to me, imho, that sony took their time and did research and is learning from the mistakes of nintendo in the hopes that core gamer(ones who play playstation) will actually use move as a competitive alternative for the 6 axis.

what do u guys think? also do u think nintendo will upgrade majorly for their next console or do u think theyre out?

lpjazzman220

The Move is little more than a needlessly complicated rendition of the Wiimote. It's also lacking in key areas.

First: The quality of technology. Move uses integrated circuits. These aren't exactly top-notch stuff when compared with the microelectromechanical parts used in the Wii Remote and Motion Plus.

Second: The Move deisgn itself is needlessly complicated. The use of EyeToy, for example, places a bottleneck on the system's refresh rate - 60Hz in hi-res, 120Hz in low-res quick mode. The image processing that has to be done with the Wiimote's IR camera is also much, much easier than the analysis of a full-colour picture that the EyeToy has to undergo.

The pointing functionality of the Move is also ridiculous. First, the EyeToy has to figure out the Move's position in space by picking up the lightbulb from a full-colour picture, after which the Move has to figure which way it's pointing at by using it's motion sensors - which are integrated circuits. After this, the TV can be expanded into a plane and a line drawn from the move to the fictional plane to figure out where the Move is pointing at. The calculations aren't awfully complex, but not really trivial either. The necessity of the motion sensors combined with the EyeToy presents a needless risk for failure.

In comparison, the Wiimote's IR sensor tracks a couple of bright dots in the IR spectrum which are a fixed distance from each other. Image processing is much easier, and calculating where the Wiimote is and where it's pointing are simple trinonometric functions. This also allows nearly foolproof recalibration of the motion sensors, as evidenced in Red Steel 2, for example.

I'm sure Move will be alright but in the end it comes down to what games will support it and how it's gonna be used in those games.

Btw I don't get how the technology works, could it be used in FPS games like the Wiimote pointer? If so, it's probably just gonna be an option and not the main way to play them, and if so, it's gonna be unbalanced because this setup >>> dual analogue

I'm sure Move will be alright but in the end it comes down to what games will support it and how it's gonna be used in those games.

Btw I don't get how the technology works, could it be used in FPS games like the Wiimote pointer? If so, it's probably just gonna be an option and not the main way to play them, and if so, it's gonna be unbalanced because this setup >>> dual analogue

kontejner44

It can be used as a pointer, yes, but the implementation is clumsy, which may result in some inaccuracy and more notably lag. We don't know how the final product will end up like, but the pointer will likely be inferior to Wii's.

it should be better i mean its what 4 years after the wii came out.

but sadly right now im dissappointed because it seems like it has just as much lag or if not more then the M+ which is not impressive