Please explain how exactly will the PS3 make a comeback in 2008.

Stage 1: The PS3 is showed in all glory with fake videos and lies in 2005.

Stage 2: Everybody is dissapointed when it turns out all the videos from last year were fake and the outrageos price in 2006.

Stage 3: PS3 decends in sales worldwide as DS, Wii, Xbox 360, PSP, and for a couple months GBA, top it in 2007.

Stage 4: 2008.

That's a hard hill to climb back on after you fell down.

I am no fanboy. I am proud supported of the Playstation 1 and 3 and portable.

But I want to know how the cows think that.

I am no fanboy. I am proud supported of the Playstation 1 and 3 and portable.

But I want to know how the cows think that.

Willy105

Like this...

MGS 4 in march plus price cut=1 million in sales from March-April.

FF13 and GT5 in the winter=5 million in sales for holiday season.

Those 2 big boosts, plus other games and normal sales will push the PS3 big time next year and get it back on track..after that it is up to Sony to keep the pressure on through 2009..

I am not saying they will take the lead, just get back into the race.

Games, price drop, and maybe a new SKU.

It's a simple equation, really.

No one cares about weather videos are CGI or not.

Yes the price is high, yes there are few good games. Let's be honest, these are it's two main drawbacks, and the only ones that really hurt it..

But with rumors of a $399 PS3 and the games that *are* coming in 2008, things definitly look brighter for 2008 than this year.

And if you compare PS3s worldwide sales to XBox 360s from it's first 10 months, PS3 is matching it. With few good games (xbox 360 had quite a few more by this time) and a higher price.

Just keep that in mind.

No one cares about weather videos are CGI or not.

Yes the price is high, yes there are few good games. Let's be honest, these are it's two main drawbacks, and the only ones that really hurt it..

But with rumors of a $399 PS3 and the games that *are* coming in 2008, things definitly look brighter for 2008 than this year.

And if you compare PS3s worldwide sales to XBox 360s from it's first 10 months, PS3 is matching it. With few good games (xbox 360 had quite a few more by this time) and a higher price.

Just keep that in mind.

Navy_Sealz

I don't understand why some people think that a handful of games are going to cause it to suddenly dominate. While the games are good and are high sellers, the other consoles have good and high selling games of their own.

The PS2 did so well due to having something for everyone. At the moment, the 360 has the variety and the Wii has the charm. For the PS3 to overtake them, it will need to rely not only on it's handful of heavy hitters, but also a myriad of overlooked games that a small minority will purchase. Things like Little Big Planet and Katamari Damacy.

It will be interesting to see if it will eventually get more of this type of support than it's competitors.

Stage 1: The PS3 is showed in all glory with fake videos and lies in 2005.

Stage 2: Everybody is dissapointed when it turns out all the videos from last year were fake and the outrageos price in 2006.

Stage 3: PS3 decends in sales worldwide as DS, Wii, Xbox 360, PSP, and for a couple months GBA, top it in 2007.

Stage 4: 2008.

That's a hard hill to climb back on after you fell down.

Willy105

No one cares about weather videos are CGI or not.

Yes the price is high, yes there are few good games. Let's be honest, these are it's two main drawbacks, and the only ones that really hurt it..

But with rumors of a $399 PS3 and the games that *are* coming in 2008, things definitly look brighter for 2008 than this year.

And if you compare PS3s worldwide sales to XBox 360s from it's first 10 months, PS3 is matching it. With few good games (xbox 360 had quite a few more by this time) and a higher price.

Just keep that in mind.

Navy_Sealz

Again with the PS3 sales matching the 360 in the 1stwhatever months. You do realize that the 360 had a huge shortage for about 3 or 4 of those months don't you. The PS3 didn't have any where near that typeofshortage. Don't compare the early 360 sales to the PS3.

I don't understand why some people think that a handful of games are going to cause it to suddenly dominate. While the games are good and are high sellers, the other consoles have good and high selling games of their own.

The PS2 did so well due to having something for everyone. At the moment, the 360 has the variety and the Wii has the charm. For the PS3 to overtake them, it will need to rely not only on it's handful of heavy hitters, but also a myriad of overlooked games that a small minority will purchase. Things like Little Big Planet and Katamari Damacy.

It will be interesting to see if it will eventually get more of this type of support than it's competitors.

mattbbpl

That's definitly true, and it's one reason why i think PS3 won't dominate like PS2 did. This gen will be much more evened out.

[QUOTE="Navy_Sealz"]

No one cares about weather videos are CGI or not.

Yes the price is high, yes there are few good games. Let's be honest, these are it's two main drawbacks, and the only ones that really hurt it..

But with rumors of a $399 PS3 and the games that *are* coming in 2008, things definitly look brighter for 2008 than this year.

And if you compare PS3s worldwide sales to XBox 360s from it's first 10 months, PS3 is matching it. With few good games (xbox 360 had quite a few more by this time) and a higher price.

Just keep that in mind.

kingtito

Again with the PS3 sales matching the 360 in the 1stwhatever months. You do realize that the 360 had a huge shortage for about 3 or 4 of those months don't you. The PS3 didn't have any where near that typeofshortage. Don't compare the early 360 sales to the PS3.

I'm talking about the first 10 months dude. It was supply constrained up until April...

Um, don't get your hopes up, Sony blew it at TGS, there won't be a price drop for a while, Sony is arrogant, they still think they can win with a 600 dollar price tag.goodlay

I don't think so...

There are heavy rumors of a 399 PS3 coming this year. And TGS isn't over BTW.

[QUOTE="goodlay"]Um, don't get your hopes up, Sony blew it at TGS, there won't be a price drop for a while, Sony is arrogant, they still think they can win with a 600 dollar price tag.Navy_Sealz

I don't think so...

There are heavy rumors of a 399 PS3 coming this year. And TGS isn't over BTW.

It's sad when you almost say 399 is cheap.

[QUOTE="Willy105"]

Stage 1: The PS3 is showed in all glory with fake videos and lies in 2005.

Stage 2: Everybody is dissapointed when it turns out all the videos from last year were fake and the outrageos price in 2006.

Stage 3: PS3 decends in sales worldwide as DS, Wii, Xbox 360, PSP, and for a couple months GBA, top it in 2007.

Stage 4: 2008.

That's a hard hill to climb back on after you fell down.

hobbit93

lol hobbit did you ever apologize for turning 2 days of sales into a week for hs?

but seriously... its called games. you knw, the stuff that you play on the system. like...mgs4, ff13, kz2, r+c, ut3, echocrome (looks crazy wierd), littlebigplanet...thats why the ps3 got a shot.

[QUOTE="Navy_Sealz"]

[QUOTE="goodlay"]Um, don't get your hopes up, Sony blew it at TGS, there won't be a price drop for a while, Sony is arrogant, they still think they can win with a 600 dollar price tag.Willy105

I don't think so...

There are heavy rumors of a 399 PS3 coming this year. And TGS isn't over BTW.

It's sad when you almost say 399 is cheap.

what? I didn't...

He said Sonyt thinks they can win with a 600 dollar price tag.

Who said anything about 399 being cheap?

[QUOTE="Navy_Sealz"]

[QUOTE="goodlay"]Um, don't get your hopes up, Sony blew it at TGS, there won't be a price drop for a while, Sony is arrogant, they still think they can win with a 600 dollar price tag.Willy105

I don't think so...

There are heavy rumors of a 399 PS3 coming this year. And TGS isn't over BTW.

It's sad when you almost say 399 is cheap.

seriously, dont bash ps3 for being 600 then say "oh well its still super expenisve" if it drops to 400...which it probably wont do this year btw ppl.

[QUOTE="goodlay"]Um, don't get your hopes up, Sony blew it at TGS, there won't be a price drop for a while, Sony is arrogant, they still think they can win with a 600 dollar price tag.Navy_Sealz

I don't think so...

There are heavy rumors of a 399 PS3 coming this year. And TGS isn't over BTW.

Of course anything is possible, however Sony already had their keynote, and they said nothing about a price drop, wouldn't TGS be the perfect place to announce it?

Short Answer: Like Rocky.

[QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="Navy_Sealz"]

No one cares about weather videos are CGI or not.

Yes the price is high, yes there are few good games. Let's be honest, these are it's two main drawbacks, and the only ones that really hurt it..

But with rumors of a $399 PS3 and the games that *are* coming in 2008, things definitly look brighter for 2008 than this year.

And if you compare PS3s worldwide sales to XBox 360s from it's first 10 months, PS3 is matching it. With few good games (xbox 360 had quite a few more by this time) and a higher price.

Just keep that in mind.

Navy_Sealz

Again with the PS3 sales matching the 360 in the 1stwhatever months. You do realize that the 360 had a huge shortage for about 3 or 4 of those months don't you. The PS3 didn't have any where near that typeofshortage. Don't compare the early 360 sales to the PS3.

I'm talking about the first 10 months dude. It was supply constrained up until April...

Yes and for almost half of those 1st 10 months the 360 had major supply problems. The PS3 didn't have supply problems that severe.

Yes and for almost half of those 1st 10 months the 360 had major supply problems. The PS3 didn't have supply problems that severe.

kingtito

I wasn't comparing the first 4-5 months. That would be unfair. I was comparing their sales AFTER both of them had no more supply problems.

What is so confusing about this? :?

[QUOTE="Navy_Sealz"]

[QUOTE="goodlay"]Um, don't get your hopes up, Sony blew it at TGS, there won't be a price drop for a while, Sony is arrogant, they still think they can win with a 600 dollar price tag.goodlay

I don't think so...

There are heavy rumors of a 399 PS3 coming this year. And TGS isn't over BTW.

Of course anything is possible, however Sony already had their keynote, and they said nothing about a price drop, wouldn't TGS be the perfect place to announce it?

Last TGS they didn't announce the japanese price drop until later.

But yeah, I was confused too.

Stage 1: The PS3 is showed in all glory with fake videos and lies in 2005.

Stage 2: Everybody is dissapointed when it turns out all the videos from last year were fake and the outrageos price in 2006.

Stage 3: PS3 decends in sales worldwide as DS, Wii, Xbox 360, PSP, and for a couple months GBA, top it in 2007.

Stage 4: 2008.

That's a hard hill to climb back on after you fell down.

Willy105

MGS4, Killzone 2 (Which looks just as good as the trialer in 2005), Tekken 6, FF13, Little Big Planet, God of war 3, the secret rockstar exclusive game, Home, 300 or so games by march (Can't remember the exact number they said), and a price cut will probably help it get back up to where the wii and 360 is.

[QUOTE="hobbit93"][QUOTE="Willy105"]

Stage 1: The PS3 is showed in all glory with fake videos and lies in 2005.

Stage 2: Everybody is dissapointed when it turns out all the videos from last year were fake and the outrageos price in 2006.

Stage 3: PS3 decends in sales worldwide as DS, Wii, Xbox 360, PSP, and for a couple months GBA, top it in 2007.

Stage 4: 2008.

That's a hard hill to climb back on after you fell down.

p2rus

lol hobbit did you ever apologize for turning 2 days of sales into a week for hs?

but seriously... its called games. you knw, the stuff that you play on the system. like...mgs4, ff13, kz2, r+c, ut3, echocrome (looks crazy wierd), littlebigplanet...thats why the ps3 got a shot.

People that really eat up those videos are either total newbies or fakeboy haters that pretend to be let down by the games that didn't look like trailers,lol. Most people understand what they are and what they are meant to do. That is always the lamest thing people come up with.

Well there's no question it's a deep hole they have to climb out of.

However, they do seem to have a better 08 game selection, and a few really big titles coming out that year, such as MGS and GT. Time will tell if the console can make it. The light fades every day they have no exlcusive AAA titles and an overly high price.

They treat it like Jesus, and believe that their power from the past two generations will come back, they just have to wait. Forever. Its not coming back, OK? Most people see this as a battle between the 360 and the PS3, but that's not true. It's a battle between the 360 and the Wii, and the Wii seems to have the upper-hand currently. Only time will tell (but time has told me personally that the PS3 sucks. Got an e-mail about it :P).Video_Game_King

It's too bad that SW is about games, not sales. And PC is winning in games. So looks like PS3, Wii and 360 are losing. Sad isn't it.

Stage 1: The PS3 is showed in all glory with fake videos and lies in 2005.

Stage 2: Everybody is dissapointed when it turns out all the videos from last year were fake and the outrageos price in 2006.

Stage 3: PS3 decends in sales worldwide as DS, Wii, Xbox 360, PSP, and for a couple months GBA, top it in 2007.

Stage 4: 2008.

That's a hard hill to climb back on after you fell down.

Willy105

Buy a PS3 and get free Cookies

well that or FF and MGS one or the other

with games that people love(final fantasty,teken,grand tirsumo,motor storm 2,white night story,grand theft auto,little big planet)

a price drop

home

tilt in the controller

and some other secretes sony will pull

[QUOTE="Video_Game_King"]They treat it like Jesus, and believe that their power from the past two generations will come back, they just have to wait. Forever. Its not coming back, OK? Most people see this as a battle between the 360 and the PS3, but that's not true. It's a battle between the 360 and the Wii, and the Wii seems to have the upper-hand currently. Only time will tell (but time has told me personally that the PS3 sucks. Got an e-mail about it :P).ChrisMun

It's too bad that SW is about games, not sales. And PC is winning in games. So looks like PS3, Wii and 360 are losing. Sad isn't it.

Really, the PC wins in sales too.

I just like following the business side of the console industry because it's so cutthroat, and the release of products in 5 year generations makes for a fantastic study of business tactics and strategy.

Regardless of which criteria you use, the PC wins. The fight over console market share is very interesting though both inside and outside of this forum.

Stage 1: The PS3 is showed in all glory with fake videos and lies in 2005.

Stage 2: Everybody is dissapointed when it turns out all the videos from last year were fake and the outrageos price in 2006.

Stage 3: PS3 decends in sales worldwide as DS, Wii, Xbox 360, PSP, and for a couple months GBA, top it in 2007.

Stage 4: 2008.

That's a hard hill to climb back on after you fell down.

Willy105

my response to stage 3

bu bu but sales dont matter

oh and as far as stage 1 goes the lies give them hope

[QUOTE="Willy105"]

I am no fanboy. I am proud supported of the Playstation 1 and 3 and portable.

But I want to know how the cows think that.

LiquidAjax

Warhawk?

I look at the Ps3 like the Gamecube last gen but in a worse situation. How low is Sony willing to lower their Blu-ray console so that people are willing to buy it? :?

Blu-ray killed the Ps3 from the get go, Blu-ray was not only not needed it doomed the PS3 from the start:shock:

If Sony isn't willing to drop the PS3 price to a real good level we'll have us a 3DO 2 on our hands people!:cry:

Shooters are obviously the only games that push 360 sales. GeOW and Halo 3 will be the top sellers.

Congratulations, you appeal to one market. Your system has other great games in other genres, but most 360 owners don't seem to care because Halo outsells any other game 10:1. I feel really bad for MS, because they really should have been sky rocketing in sales this whole time with such a great lineup - but only see sales increase when a GeOW or Halo is released.

But they arn't sky rocketing, because in the real world, most people who buy 360s are in it for Halo, madden, and GTA. Sad, but true.

Sony is playing a whole different game, infact they won the game last gen without even using the shooter market. They appeal to everyone, casual and hardcore. The franchises that are on the playstation brand, sell quite closely to each other. Final Fantasises sell 6-9 mil per installment. As do Metal Gears. Ratchet and Clanks sell a solid 2.5 mil per game, as do God of Wars. Gran Turismo 3 sold 14.5 million, and GT4 sold 8 million. Tekken sells 4-6 million. They are all selling very well, and not beating each other by ridiculous amounts like Halo does.

Sony's games, for some reason, appeal to more people.

A game like Ninja Gaiden had a hard time reaching one million copies sold, and it was one of the greatest action games ever made. Halo sold 10 mil.

Now your excuse here may be, "well hey, the shooter market is probably alot bigger than action games". And that's probably true.

So why does a car racing sim on the PS2 manage to land 14.5 million copies sold, and a better car racing sim on the Xbox only manages to land 1 mil?

Your new excuse may be, "the PS2's userbase was much larger than the Xbox's". Again, true. But now you have to think of how that userbase got so huge -- games, games, games.

So what doe we see this gen? The same damn thing. Let's say Halo 3 magically pushes 10 million consoles this Christmas (disgustingly unrealistic I know). It ends it's year at 20 million installed userbase. Then what? Do you think Jimmy Joe the Halo player who plays football afterschool is going to come home and play Mass Effect and Ninja Gaiden 2? No. And this is when sales return to their normal slowness, where MS would be lucky to sell 2 mil per year.

Now lets say more realistically, MS ends this year with 13-14 million 360s sold. PS3 will probably bet at 6 mil. Now calculate an inevitable PS3 price drop along with the previous franchises mentioned -- I wouldnt be suprised if the Wii had trouble competing with such a force.

PS3 will still be behind the 360 by 1-2 mil at the end of 08 - I'm calling it.

[QUOTE="Navy_Sealz"]

[QUOTE="goodlay"]Um, don't get your hopes up, Sony blew it at TGS, there won't be a price drop for a while, Sony is arrogant, they still think they can win with a 600 dollar price tag.Willy105

I don't think so...

There are heavy rumors of a 399 PS3 coming this year. And TGS isn't over BTW.

It's sad when you almost say 399 is cheap.

399 is cheap i guess when the ps2 was 299 that was to much money right prices go up stuff cost more now