Please some gamer tell me that I am not the only one to hate keyboard\mouse.

Before somebody says yes I made an account just for this as I feel too embarresed to admit with my real account that I burned $1500 on PC gaming and now realise that I just cant feel comfortable with keyboard\mouse.:cry:

Yes you can play with a gamepad but not all games and please nobody kid here as PC gaming is just not worth it if you dont play with a keyboard\mouse.I have tried for a month now,got a new table,got gaming mouse but still cant feel comfortable as it's so tiring and unnatural.:(

Am I the only one who thinks that way?Please tell me that I am not the only one and I wanna get rid of this PC and would never go close to PC gaming.

Console gaming take be back.:cry:

Before somebody says yes I made an account just for this as I feel too embarresed to admit with my real account that I burned $1500 on PC gaming and now realise that I just cant feel comfortable with keyboard\mouse.:cry:

Yes you can play with a gamepad but not all games and please nobody kid here as PC gaming is just not worth it if you dont play with a keyboard\mouse.I have tried for a month now,got a new table,got gaming mouse but still cant feel comfortable as it's so tiring and unnatural.:(

Am I the only one who thinks that way?Please tell me that I am not the only one and I wanna get rid of this PC and would never go close to PC gaming.

Console gaming take me back.:cry:

I prefer a controller over KB/M. It just feels alot better imo.

I'm not a big fan of kb/m either. I recently played System Shock 2 and i just didn't feel comfortable with the kb/m.

I bought a gamepad just to play Final Fantasy XI and it just felt much easier and comfortable.

I think it's just one of those things where you need to get used to it. I've been using gamepads for about 14 years so naturally they are going to feel a lot more natural, but i'm sure if you play games with the kb/m for a while it will gradually get easier and you might think it's superior to controllers.

I prefer a controller, but I don't hate KB/M.

If I did, playing WC3 for all these years would have been pointless.

I'm not a big fan of kb/m either. I recently played System Shock 2 and i just didn't feel comfortable with the kb/m.

I bought a gamepad just to play Final Fantasy XI and it just felt much easier and comfortable.

I think it's just one of those things where you need to get used to it. I've been using gamepads for about 14 years so naturally they are going to feel a lot more natural, but i'm sure if you play games with the kb/m for a while it will gradually get easier and you might think it's superior to controllers.

SSJ_Nega

KB/M is the best for FPS, RTS, MMOs, and TBS games. All others are better played with a controller. You should have analyzed what type of games you enjoy playing the most because blowing 1500 dollars.subyman

how are RPGs better handled with a controller?

Keyboard and mouse are only good for FPS's all others are better on a gamepadWave360

Nope. Try playing RTSes with joysticks.

Fact is, different gamers have different preferences on what controller they like.

[QUOTE="subyman"]KB/M is the best for FPS, RTS, MMOs, and TBS games. All others are better played with a controller. You should have analyzed what type of games you enjoy playing the most because blowing 1500 dollars.Hewkii

how are RPGs better handled with a controller?

Lets see you play WOW witha controller. You'd get owned, especially at higher levels.

im afraid that im struggeling to see how u coulod be having serious problems with the mouse and keyboard TC. i use both game controllers and KB&M (i have all platforms) and im afraid i simply cant comprehend how u could be struggeling with KB&M after a few months. uve the the mouse controlling the camera...so killing enemies is point and click basically. now the keyboard does look intimidating at first but really...ure only using 8-9 keys on it unless u wanna make shortcuts in the game. imho its the easiest (after some practice) and the most powerful interface available to games and does a crackin job at pretty much everything bar sports games.

where exactly are u having problems with it? maybe i can advise...it would be a shame to see a 1500 PC go in the bin (from a games perspective)

[QUOTE="subyman"]KB/M is the best for FPS, RTS, MMOs, and TBS games. All others are better played with a controller. You should have analyzed what type of games you enjoy playing the most because blowing 1500 dollars.Hewkii

how are RPGs better handled with a controller?

kb/m over a controller anyday. Just because you don't have experience as a gamer doesn't mean its not more comfortable. It infact is. I personally have used controllers more in my lifetime. Hell, I even grew up with it. Playing on my NES. But kb/m opens up endless possibilites wich isn't availlable on console gaming. Massive Multiplayer Online and Real Time Strategy Games for example.

Sport games, Fighters, Racers and platformers are better played on a controller. TPS, FPS, MMO, RPG's, RTS is better played on a kb/m.

Controllers are much more restricted gameplay wise. Thats a fact.

I can't use the keyboard very well.

Anything that involves a third person viw just feels terrible with a keyboard\mouse regardless of the uncomfortable factor.I can totally admit that FPS's are vastly supeior with a mouse but it is so damn uncomfortable.:cry:Spy_258

no it isn't. :?

I can't use the keyboard very well.

Nike_Air

Practice makes perfect!

im afraid that im struggeling to see how u coulod be having serious problems with the mouse and keyboard TC. i use both game controllers and KB&M (i have all platforms) and im afraid i simply cant comprehend how u could be struggeling with KB&M after a few months. uve the the mouse controlling the camera...so killing enemies is point and click basically. now the keyboard does look intimidating at first but really...ure only using 8-9 keys on it unless u wanna make shortcuts in the game. imho its the easiest (after some practice) and the most powerful interface available to games and does a crackin job at pretty much everything bar sports games.

where exactly are u having problems with it? maybe i can advise...it would be a shame to see a 1500 PC go in the bin (from a games perspective)

osan0

I actually dont have any problems whatsoever with the keyboard,it's the mouse which just doesnt feel right.My right hand just starts getting tired after a few minutes.

Tell me do you rest your arms and\or elbows while playing.Have you got your chair arm rest in line with the table or is it below and you use your table to rest your arms?

im afraid that im struggeling to see how u coulod be having serious problems with the mouse and keyboard TC. i use both game controllers and KB&M (i have all platforms) and im afraid i simply cant comprehend how u could be struggeling with KB&M after a few months. uve the the mouse controlling the camera...so killing enemies is point and click basically. now the keyboard does look intimidating at first but really...ure only using 8-9 keys on it unless u wanna make shortcuts in the game. imho its the easiest (after some practice) and the most powerful interface available to games and does a crackin job at pretty much everything bar sports games.

where exactly are u having problems with it? maybe i can advise...it would be a shame to see a 1500 PC go in the bin (from a games perspective)

osan0

I actually dont have any problems whatsoever with the keyboard,it's the mouse which just doesnt feel right.My right hand just starts getting tired after a few minutes.

Tell me do you rest your arms and\or elbows while playing.Have you got your chair arm rest in line with the table or is it below and you use your table to rest your arms?

Edit:And are your arms stretched while gaming or not.I feel having them stretched gives much more precision but it also becomes tiring.

IMO, Controllers are more comfortable overall, BUT that doesnt mean its always as efficient.

Keyboard + Mouse is always better for FPS. Some games are also much better on PC not only for the controls but everything in general (Max Payne franchise and Mafia).

Unreal Tournament 3 i've never used a controller yet on my PS3, its been keyboard + mouse from the start and its great.

I prefer a controller over KB/M. It just feels alot better imo.

web966

Yeah, i used to hate KB/M. I got a pc and it feels a little clunky and uncomfortable. I can tolerate it for a while but what it comes down to is i can play longer on consoles without getting uncomfortable. I don't have to hunch in front of my tv to play halo.paullywog

I know many people that huch in front of tV playing PS2....and I myself have a comfy chair that I relax and enjoy M2TWK online...no problems...

This is why I like playing RTS games on a console instead of a PC. Can't wait for Supreme Commander for the X360, even though I already have it for the PC.afmsquid

SupCom is a Games for Windows game, and according to the official requirements, you can use a controller with it.

Stupid brains are stupid. Keep to your simpleton devices.

How long have you been playing with it man? It takes a bit to get used to.

Keep trying, you could also screw with the sensitivity of the mouse in games. It takes some tweaking, and a while to get used to.

Once you do get used to it though you'll never want to go back to controller for FPS and such games.

How long have you been playing with it man? It takes a bit to get used to.

SimpJee

I dont know it's just random.Sometimes I have a really enjoyable hour of gaming and then sometimes I get tired of it after a few minutes.

[QUOTE="SimpJee"]

How long have you been playing with it man? It takes a bit to get used to.

Spy_258

I dont know it's just random.Sometimes I have a really enjoyable hour of gaming and then sometimes I get tired of it after a few minutes.

What games have you been playing?

[QUOTE="SimpJee"]

How long have you been playing with it man? It takes a bit to get used to.

Spy_258

I dont know it's just random.Sometimes I have a really enjoyable hour of gaming and then sometimes I get tired of it after a few minutes.

What games have you been playing?

I edited my previous post, you should try messing with the sensitivity. If you feel like you're moving your arm around too much, raise the sensitivity in game and on your computer settings. Control Panel > mouse for Microsoft settings.

This is why I like playing RTS games on a console instead of a PC. Can't wait for Supreme Commander for the X360, even though I already have it for the PC.afmsquid

No just no. RTS and consoles just don't mix well together. Its liek sayign but I find it more comfortable being handicapped on a wheelchair instead of having stand and walk myself. Wich is more efficient?

Try playing World of Warcraft with a controller. If you come far in Player versus Player aspect of the game I will salute you with respect. But I doubt... no no no scratch that. I know 110% sure you will not come very far :lol:

Keyboard and mouse are only good for FPS's all others are better on a gamepadWave360

[QUOTE="Hewkii"]

[QUOTE="subyman"]KB/M is the best for FPS, RTS, MMOs, and TBS games. All others are better played with a controller. You should have analyzed what type of games you enjoy playing the most because blowing 1500 dollars.Spy_258

how are RPGs better handled with a controller?

Use a xbox controller?

[QUOTE="osan0"]

im afraid that im struggeling to see how u coulod be having serious problems with the mouse and keyboard TC. i use both game controllers and KB&M (i have all platforms) and im afraid i simply cant comprehend how u could be struggeling with KB&M after a few months. uve the the mouse controlling the camera...so killing enemies is point and click basically. now the keyboard does look intimidating at first but really...ure only using 8-9 keys on it unless u wanna make shortcuts in the game. imho its the easiest (after some practice) and the most powerful interface available to games and does a crackin job at pretty much everything bar sports games.

where exactly are u having problems with it? maybe i can advise...it would be a shame to see a 1500 PC go in the bin (from a games perspective)

Spy_258

I actually dont have any problems whatsoever with the keyboard,it's the mouse which just doesnt feel right.My right hand just starts getting tired after a few minutes.

Tell me do you rest your arms and\or elbows while playing.Have you got your chair arm rest in line with the table or is it below and you use your table to rest your arms?

Edit:And are your arms stretched while gaming or not.I feel having them stretched gives much more precision but it also becomes tiring.

ideally u want ure arm to be at 90 degrees to ure body roughly so that ure wrist isnt bent too much and ure fore arm and hand are aligned. so try and keep it low-ish. also if u find ure wrist getting sore then u can get a mousepad with a gelpack in it...there really comfy and not too expensive at all. also if u find that ure getting pains in ure wrist that are kinda different then take a wrins. persistent playing with that can give u a permanent injury (though u have to be playing like mad, in the worst conditions for a long time for that oo happen.

dont hold the mouse tightly. use ure thumb and outer fingers to gently push it around. the mouse is a very precise and accurate piece of kit so itll pick up any movement. if ure not happy with the distance the pointer is moving then theres a setting in windows to change it somewhere and mose games have a sensativity option too (usually a slider) (or if u have a high end gaming mouse then theres probably sensativity buttons on it). as a reference for sensativity, im happiest when i can do a full 360 degree turn in a FPS without needing to lift the mouse up and reset (and ideally i like room to spare on both sides after the 360 turn). its a real nice sweet spot between accuracy and quick reaction. thats different for everyone though. on the desktop, i also have the sensativity up so that i dont really need to move my arm...its all wrist and finger action (stop that snickering down the back :P).

dont outstretch ure arms....thats whats making them tired and, really, its probably not giving u that much more precision. getting the sensativity right will greatly affect precision more than anything else. u should be sitting close enough to ure keyboard and mouse so that ure forearms are at around 90 degrees to ure torso.

hope that helps.

[QUOTE="osan0"]

im afraid that im struggeling to see how u coulod be having serious problems with the mouse and keyboard TC. i use both game controllers and KB&M (i have all platforms) and im afraid i simply cant comprehend how u could be struggeling with KB&M after a few months. uve the the mouse controlling the camera...so killing enemies is point and click basically. now the keyboard does look intimidating at first but really...ure only using 8-9 keys on it unless u wanna make shortcuts in the game. imho its the easiest (after some practice) and the most powerful interface available to games and does a crackin job at pretty much everything bar sports games.

where exactly are u having problems with it? maybe i can advise...it would be a shame to see a 1500 PC go in the bin (from a games perspective)

Spy_258

I actually dont have any problems whatsoever with the keyboard,it's the mouse which just doesnt feel right.My right hand just starts getting tired after a few minutes.

Tell me do you rest your arms and\or elbows while playing.Have you got your chair arm rest in line with the table or is it below and you use your table to rest your arms?

Edit:And are your arms stretched while gaming or not.I feel having them stretched gives much more precision but it also becomes tiring.

ideally u want ure arm to be at 90 degrees to ure body roughly so that ure wrist isnt bent too much and ure fore arm and hand are aligned. so try and keep it low-ish. also if u find ure wrist getting sore then u can get a mousepad with a gelpack in it...there really comfy and not too expensive at all. also if u find that ure getting pains in ure wrist that are kinda different then take a wrest. persistent playing with that can give u a permanent injury (though u have to be playing like mad, in the worst conditions for a long time for that too happen).

dont hold the mouse tightly. use ure thumb and outer fingers to gently push it around. the mouse is a very precise and accurate piece of kit so itll pick up any movement. if ure not happy with the distance the pointer is moving then theres a setting in windows to change it somewhere and mose games have a sensativity option too (usually a slider) (or if u have a high end gaming mouse then theres probably sensativity buttons on it). as a reference for sensativity, im happiest when i can do a full 360 degree turn in a FPS without needing to lift the mouse up and reset (and ideally i like room to spare on both sides after the 360 turn). its a real nice sweet spot between accuracy and quick reaction. thats different for everyone though. on the desktop, i also have the sensativity up so that i dont really need to move my arm...its all wrist and finger action (stop that snickering down the back :P).

dont outstretch ure arms....thats whats making them tired and, really, its probably not giving u that much more precision. getting the sensativity right will greatly affect precision more than anything else. u should be sitting close enough to ure keyboard and mouse so that ure forearms are at around 90 degrees to ure torso.

hope that helps.

[QUOTE="Spy_258"][QUOTE="SimpJee"]

How long have you been playing with it man? It takes a bit to get used to.

SimpJee

I dont know it's just random.Sometimes I have a really enjoyable hour of gaming and then sometimes I get tired of it after a few minutes.

What games have you been playing?

I edited my previous post, you should try messing with the sensitivity. If you feel like you're moving your arm around too much, raise the sensitivity in game and on your computer settings. Control Panel > mouse for Microsoft settings.

Anyways I will be picking up assasins creed tomorow and man I am so looking forward to playing a game which works well with a controller.It will be a very nice refresh.

You have to admit that playing FPS's with a keyboard\mouse is one of the best things about PC gaming and also considering the no. of great FPS's on PC and if you arent doing it then you arent really making good use of your gaming PC.

ill take KB/M for every type of game except racing/sports.

even assassins creed for PC is more enjoyable with kb/m than it was on 360 with a controller

I thourougly appreciate everybody's help.Maybe all hope is not lost...

I actually dont have any problems whatsoever with the keyboard,it's the mouse which just doesnt feel right.My right hand just starts getting tired after a few minutes.

Tell me do you rest your arms and\or elbows while playing.Have you got your chair arm rest in line with the table or is it below and you use your table to rest your arms?

Edit:And are your arms stretched while gaming or not.I feel having them stretched gives much more precision but it also becomes tiring.

Spy_258

I thourougly appreciate everybody's help.Maybe all hope is not lost...

I actually dont have any problems whatsoever with the keyboard,it's the mouse which just doesnt feel right.My right hand just starts getting tired after a few minutes.

Tell me do you rest your arms and\or elbows while playing.Have you got your chair arm rest in line with the table or is it below and you use your table to rest your arms?

Edit:And are your arms stretched while gaming or not.I feel having them stretched gives much more precision but it also becomes tiring.

Spy_258

[QUOTE="Hewkii"]

[QUOTE="subyman"]KB/M is the best for FPS, RTS, MMOs, and TBS games. All others are better played with a controller. You should have analyzed what type of games you enjoy playing the most because blowing 1500 dollars.Spy_258

how are RPGs better handled with a controller?

I dont understand how moving the camera behind the player somehow makes a controller better. You still look around and move just like in an fps.

Some of my fav pc games are 3rd person: Max Payne, Gothic and Oblivion with the 3rd person mod.

Gears of War feels much more natural on pc. A lot less chainsawing in mp. Being able to look around so much faster with a mouse makes you more aware of your surroundings and less likely to get snuck up on. Weapon switch is faster too.

[QUOTE="Spy_258"][QUOTE="Hewkii"]

[QUOTE="subyman"]KB/M is the best for FPS, RTS, MMOs, and TBS games. All others are better played with a controller. You should have analyzed what type of games you enjoy playing the most because blowing 1500 dollars.Cranler

how are RPGs better handled with a controller?

I dont understand how moving the camera behind the player somehow makes a controller better. You still look around and move just like in an fps.

Some of my fav pc games are 3rd person: Max Payne, Gothic and Oblivion with the 3rd person mod.

Gears of War feels much more natural on pc. A lot less chainsawing in mp. Being able to look around so much faster with a mouse makes you more aware of your surroundings and less likely to get snuck up on. Weapon switch is faster too.