PLEASE STOP! The PS3 didn't come out at the same time as the 360!

I'll keep this rant short in case no one else agrees, but I'm sick of looking at threads where people compare PS3 launch numbers to 360's.  It doesn't matter if the PS3 sold slightly more at launch than the 360 because the 360 is already millions of units ahead.

Let's pretend that the two of us are going to have a race.  The gun goes off, and you run 10 miles at 6mph.  Once you hit the 10 mile mark, I decide to start running.  I'm running a 6.3 mph.  I'm awesome.  I'm going to crush you!  But wait!  As so as I start running at 6.3mph, you speed up to 6.4 mph.  It doesn't matter that I started off slightly faster than you did, you're now moving faster than me and had a huge head start.  I'm not going to catch up like that.

You=360

Me= PS3

Please stop acting like the 360 didn't have a year head start.  It did.  If the PS3 wants to catch up, it's going to need to move a lot faster.

Please stop acting like the 360 didn't have a year head start. It did. If the PS3 wants to catch up, it's going to need to move a lot faster.

nnavidson

Yeah, but what if you (360) starts running out of steam, and I (PS3) starts to pick up steam because I have more stamina. Lets face it, we are going to be running for about 5 to 6 years (console lifespan), so really anything can happen. peaceful_anger

That is possible, but there isn't any tangible evidence to show that yet.  I'm sick of PS3 fans trying to passoff mediocre sales as great because they would have been good last year.

[QUOTE="Nugtoka"]Ah yes let the waiting continueSocrates88

Instead of reposting my starting argument in every thread that I see this mistake being made, I'll quote them in this one.

I do agree people should wait but the ps3 has already been out for over 4 and a half months and has only sold like a million and a half...klabut

Do people need reminding that PS3 aint even out in Europe yet? Europe is huuuuuge compared to USA and Japan, and its the most eager country that wants the ps3.

Once the PS3 is officially out worldwide, then fanboys should start nit picking.

Me= PS3

nnavidson

Talk about low self-esteem...

;)

[QUOTE="klabut"]I do agree people should wait but the ps3 has already been out for over 4 and a half months and has only sold like a million and a half...Raz-1

Do people need reminding that PS3 aint even out in Europe yet? Europe is huuuuuge compared to USA and Japan, and its the most eager country that wants the ps3.

Once the PS3 is officially out worldwide, then fanboys should start nit picking.

Secondly, the PS3 is ONLY going to be released as the high-end 60GB model here in Sweden (Europe).

At the magnificent price of 6500 KR.

That 's equal to 920 US dollar.

Don't count on Europe to be SONY-land this time around. The Xbox 360 is going well here, not to mention the Wii which has been sold out CONSTANTLY since it's December release.

[QUOTE="klabut"]I do agree people should wait but the ps3 has already been out for over 4 and a half months and has only sold like a million and a half...Raz-1

Do people need reminding that PS3 aint even out in Europe yet? Europe is huuuuuge compared to USA and Japan, and its the most eager country that wants the ps3.

Once the PS3 is officially out worldwide, then fanboys should start nit picking.

[QUOTE="Raz-1"]

[QUOTE="klabut"]I do agree people should wait but the ps3 has already been out for over 4 and a half months and has only sold like a million and a half...haols

Do people need reminding that PS3 aint even out in Europe yet? Europe is huuuuuge compared to USA and Japan, and its the most eager country that wants the ps3.

Once the PS3 is officially out worldwide, then fanboys should start nit picking.

Secondly, the PS3 is ONLY going to be released as the high-end 60GB model here in Sweden (Europe).

At the magnificent price of 6500 KR.

That 's equal to 920 US dollar.

Don't count on Europe to be SONY-land this time around. The Xbox 360 is going well here, not to mention the Wii which has been sold out CONSTANTLY since it's December release.

Well, UK seems to wanting the PS3 pretty bad to me. Big W got preorders of PS3 every few minutes, and i work at CEX, and we had a playable Ps3, and the que's were leading to outside of the shop. We got loads of people pesturing us if we were taking preorders and we told them no, cuz we dont deal with pre-ordered goods.

£425 is alot of money, and when converted to dollars, its around the 700-800 dollar mark, but people are wiling to spend that much on a Ps3. 

All Sony has to do is set a price drop and the sales would shoot up. Oh wait, wasnt the PS2 like 400 pound, and still sold like hot cakes?

Hell, even in japan, the PS2 didnt have any launch titles until 2 weeks later, but the console got sold out within that time.

[QUOTE="haols"][QUOTE="Raz-1"]

[QUOTE="klabut"]I do agree people should wait but the ps3 has already been out for over 4 and a half months and has only sold like a million and a half...Raz-1

Do people need reminding that PS3 aint even out in Europe yet? Europe is huuuuuge compared to USA and Japan, and its the most eager country that wants the ps3.

Once the PS3 is officially out worldwide, then fanboys should start nit picking.

Secondly, the PS3 is ONLY going to be released as the high-end 60GB model here in Sweden (Europe).

At the magnificent price of 6500 KR.

That 's equal to 920 US dollar.

Don't count on Europe to be SONY-land this time around. The Xbox 360 is going well here, not to mention the Wii which has been sold out CONSTANTLY since it's December release.

Well, UK seems to wanting the PS3 pretty bad to me. Big W got preorders of PS3 every few minutes, and i work at CEX, and we had a playable Ps3, and the que's were leading to outside of the shop. We got loads of people pesturing us if we were taking preorders and we told them no, cuz we dont deal with pre-ordered goods.

£425 is alot of money, and when converted to dollars, its around the 700-800 dollar mark, but people are wiling to spend that much on a Ps3. 

All Sony has to do is set a price drop and the sales would shoot up. Oh wait, wasnt the PS2 like 400 pound, and still sold like hot cakes?

Hell, even in japan, the PS2 didnt have any launch titles until 2 weeks later, but the console got sold out within that time.

 But the situation was different back then, the PS2 was new and (by media) hyped to have toy story-like graphics.

While the only competition was the dead N64, the half-next-half-last-gen dreamcast and vague promises from Nintendo about the new console "Dolphin".

Nowadays, the situation has changed.

I'll keep this rant short in case no one else agrees, but I'm sick of looking at threads where people compare PS3 launch numbers to 360's.  It doesn't matter if the PS3 sold slightly more at launch than the 360 because the 360 is already millions of units ahead.

Let's pretend that the two of us are going to have a race.  The gun goes off, and you run 10 miles at 6mph.  Once you hit the 10 mile mark, I decide to start running.  I'm running a 6.3 mph.  I'm awesome.  I'm going to crush you!  But wait!  As so as I start running at 6.3mph, you speed up to 6.4 mph.  It doesn't matter that I started off slightly faster than you did, you're now moving faster than me and had a huge head start.  I'm not going to catch up like that.

You=360

Me= PS3

Please stop acting like the 360 didn't have a year head start.  It did.  If the PS3 wants to catch up, it's going to need to move a lot faster.

nnavidson

Not really. If they continue to sell equally like now which I seriously doubt. PS3 sales wil pick up when some good games come. Sony still has Japan. 360 is non existent there. PS3 can outsell 360 worldwide by selling good in Japan.

[QUOTE="klabut"]I do agree people should wait but the ps3 has already been out for over 4 and a half months and has only sold like a million and a half...Raz-1

Do people need reminding that PS3 aint even out in Europe yet? Europe is huuuuuge compared to USA and Japan, and its the most eager country that wants the ps3.

Once the PS3 is officially out worldwide, then fanboys should start nit picking.

Things can change.  I personally feel that the PS3 is going to become a worthwhile purchase by 2008.  That's not set in stone though, and right now 360 is way out ahead.

[QUOTE="Raz-1"]

[QUOTE="klabut"]I do agree people should wait but the ps3 has already been out for over 4 and a half months and has only sold like a million and a half...nnavidson

Do people need reminding that PS3 aint even out in Europe yet? Europe is huuuuuge compared to USA and Japan, and its the most eager country that wants the ps3.

Once the PS3 is officially out worldwide, then fanboys should start nit picking.

Things can change.  I personally feel that the PS3 is going to become a worthwhile purchase by 2008.  That's not set in stone though, and right now 360 is way out ahead.

That is your opinion. I'm sure there will be about 8-10 million people that disagree with you.

£425 is alot of money, and when converted to dollars, its around the 700-800 dollar mark, but people are wiling to spend that much on a Ps3.

All Sony has to do is set a price drop and the sales would shoot up. Oh wait, wasnt the PS2 like 400 pound, and still sold like hot cakes?Raz-1

Quoted from Wikipedia.

United Kingdom (including VAT, currently 17.5%)

• GB£299 (November 24, 2000, Launch Price)
• GB£269 (June 2001)
• GB£199 (September 28, 2001)
• GB£169.99 (August 27, 2002)
• GB£139.99 (October 1, 2003)
• GB£104.99 (August 18, 2004)
• GB£94.99 (August 21, 2006)

Well, UK seems to wanting the PS3 pretty bad to me.

Raz-1

Funny, 'cause from what I see - many retailers are still taking preorders (Play, Game) which would tell me things aren't as rosy in the UK as you'd like to think...

[QUOTE="Raz-1"][QUOTE="haols"][QUOTE="Raz-1"]

[QUOTE="klabut"]I do agree people should wait but the ps3 has already been out for over 4 and a half months and has only sold like a million and a half...haols

Do people need reminding that PS3 aint even out in Europe yet? Europe is huuuuuge compared to USA and Japan, and its the most eager country that wants the ps3.

Once the PS3 is officially out worldwide, then fanboys should start nit picking.

Secondly, the PS3 is ONLY going to be released as the high-end 60GB model here in Sweden (Europe).

At the magnificent price of 6500 KR.

That 's equal to 920 US dollar.

Don't count on Europe to be SONY-land this time around. The Xbox 360 is going well here, not to mention the Wii which has been sold out CONSTANTLY since it's December release.

Well, UK seems to wanting the PS3 pretty bad to me. Big W got preorders of PS3 every few minutes, and i work at CEX, and we had a playable Ps3, and the que's were leading to outside of the shop. We got loads of people pesturing us if we were taking preorders and we told them no, cuz we dont deal with pre-ordered goods.

£425 is alot of money, and when converted to dollars, its around the 700-800 dollar mark, but people are wiling to spend that much on a Ps3. 

All Sony has to do is set a price drop and the sales would shoot up. Oh wait, wasnt the PS2 like 400 pound, and still sold like hot cakes?

Hell, even in japan, the PS2 didnt have any launch titles until 2 weeks later, but the console got sold out within that time.

 But the situation was different back then, the PS2 was new and (by media) hyped to have toy story-like graphics.

While the only competition was the dead N64, the half-next-half-last-gen dreamcast and vague promises from Nintendo about the new console "Dolphin".

Nowadays, the situation has changed.

true, but who hyped the toy story like graphics? media did, not sony, even though they had their fair share of overhype.  Things have changed, and i aint saying Sony will be number one again after all the faults they been putting through from the Ps3, but im sure when games like Final Fantasy and Devil May Cry and GT actually come out,  sales will rise because die hard fans would do anything to have taht game. Its same case with Halo, im sure people will be queing up like crazy when Halo 3 comes out, and at the same time, will probably want to get a 360+Halo 3 bundle for that matter.

[QUOTE="Raz-1"]Well, UK seems to wanting the PS3 pretty bad to me.

NotThat_basic

Funny, 'cause from what I see - many retailers are still taking preorders (Play, Game) which would tell me things aren't as rosy in the UK as you'd like to think...

umm...do stores even know how many PS3's they are guaranteed to get? NO, so as long as preorders are concerned, Stores can preorder customers consoles as much as they want, but only a 1/3 or less might end up with a Ps3 at launch. Very few stores like Gamestation will have a limit to how many preorders they will take.

[QUOTE="NotThat_basic"][QUOTE="Raz-1"]Well, UK seems to wanting the PS3 pretty bad to me.

Raz-1

Funny, 'cause from what I see - many retailers are still taking preorders (Play, Game) which would tell me things aren't as rosy in the UK as you'd like to think...

umm...do stores even know how many PS3's they are guaranteed to get? NO, so as long as preorders are concerned, Stores can preorder customers consoles as much as they want, but only a 1/3 or less might end up with a Ps3 at launch. Very few stores like Gamestation will have a limit to how many preorders they will take.

Then 'guaranteeing' these systems at launch would be a bad idea, huh? And - seeing as these sites are in fact, doing just that - I have a hard time believing they don't have a clue as to how many they are getting...

[QUOTE="Socrates88"][QUOTE="Nugtoka"]Ah yes let the waiting continuennavidson

Instead of reposting my starting argument in every thread that I see this mistake being made, I'll quote them in this one.

I'll keep this rant short in case no one else agrees, but I'm sick of looking at threads where people compare PS3 launch numbers to 360's.  It doesn't matter if the PS3 sold slightly more at launch than the 360 because the 360 is already millions of units ahead.

Let's pretend that the two of us are going to have a race.  The gun goes off, and you run 10 miles at 6mph.  Once you hit the 10 mile mark, I decide to start running.  I'm running a 6.3 mph.  I'm awesome.  I'm going to crush you!  But wait!  As so as I start running at 6.3mph, you speed up to 6.4 mph.  It doesn't matter that I started off slightly faster than you did, you're now moving faster than me and had a huge head start.  I'm not going to catch up like that.

You=360

Me= PS3

Please stop acting like the 360 didn't have a year head start.  It did.  If the PS3 wants to catch up, it's going to need to move a lot faster.

nnavidson

[QUOTE="nnavidson"][QUOTE="Raz-1"]

[QUOTE="klabut"]I do agree people should wait but the ps3 has already been out for over 4 and a half months and has only sold like a million and a half...InfamousC

Do people need reminding that PS3 aint even out in Europe yet? Europe is huuuuuge compared to USA and Japan, and its the most eager country that wants the ps3.

Once the PS3 is officially out worldwide, then fanboys should start nit picking.

Things can change.  I personally feel that the PS3 is going to become a worthwhile purchase by 2008.  That's not set in stone though, and right now 360 is way out ahead.

That is your opinion. I'm sure there will be about 8-10 million people that disagree with you.

Right now it's fact.  The PS3 has potential but hasn't delivered.  The 360 is delivering and offers continued potential through 2008.

[QUOTE="nnavidson"]

[QUOTE="Socrates88"][QUOTE="Nugtoka"]Ah yes let the waiting continueSocrates88

Instead of reposting my starting argument in every thread that I see this mistake being made, I'll quote them in this one.

Yes, when the rabbit is limping.  The PS3 isn't showing enough momentum to catch up.  It may gain that momentum, but nothing has happened to prove that.

[QUOTE="Raz-1"][QUOTE="NotThat_basic"][QUOTE="Raz-1"]Well, UK seems to wanting the PS3 pretty bad to me.

NotThat_basic

Funny, 'cause from what I see - many retailers are still taking preorders (Play, Game) which would tell me things aren't as rosy in the UK as you'd like to think...

umm...do stores even know how many PS3's they are guaranteed to get? NO, so as long as preorders are concerned, Stores can preorder customers consoles as much as they want, but only a 1/3 or less might end up with a Ps3 at launch. Very few stores like Gamestation will have a limit to how many preorders they will take.

Then 'guaranteeing' these systems at launch would be a bad idea, huh? And - seeing as these sites are in fact, doing just that - I have a hard time believing they don't have a clue as to how many they are getting...

The reason they are doing this is because many stores are now doing "first come first serve" basis, regardless if you were the 1st or the 100th person to preorder. Thats exactly what HMV are doing. Unlike before with PS2 , if you were the 30th person who preordered the PS2, the store will reserve the 30th console for you and you could pick it up any time you wished.

I do agree people should wait but the ps3 has already been out for over 4 and a half months and has only sold like a million and a half...klabut

Worldwide vs  US and Japan!!!

Nice try though!

[QUOTE="Socrates88"][QUOTE="nnavidson"]

[QUOTE="Socrates88"][QUOTE="Nugtoka"]Ah yes let the waiting continuennavidson

Instead of reposting my starting argument in every thread that I see this mistake being made, I'll quote them in this one.

Yes, when the rabbit is limping.  The PS3 isn't showing enough momentum to catch up.  It may gain that momentum, but nothing has happened to prove that.

[QUOTE="nnavidson"][QUOTE="Socrates88"][QUOTE="nnavidson"]

[QUOTE="Socrates88"][QUOTE="Nugtoka"]Ah yes let the waiting continueSocrates88

Instead of reposting my starting argument in every thread that I see this mistake being made, I'll quote them in this one.

Yes, when the rabbit is limping.  The PS3 isn't showing enough momentum to catch up.  It may gain that momentum, but nothing has happened to prove that.

First of all, Sony's game division is losing 100's of millions each quarter over the past year.  It lost 1 billion over the course of a year.  That's the price of investing in new technology, so it's not shocking, but the PS3 is currently losing Sony, not making it.

Second of all, did you read the first post in this thread.  The 360 is currently selling better than the PS3.  Everything before November can be considered a head start for the 360.

The PS3 has great potential.  If I had an HD television, I would buy one now for BluRay.  I don't, and neither does the majority of the world.  I want a PS3, but not at $500.  It doesn't matter how much interest there is in a system, if the general cosumer public doesn't have enough interest to spend the retail price.

Right now it's fact.  The PS3 has potential but hasn't delivered.  The 360 is delivering and offers continued potential through 2008.

nnavidson

I geuss the 1.8 mil that picked it up now didn't think it was "worthwhile" please dude don't post your opinions as fact.

[QUOTE="nnavidson"]

Right now it's fact.  The PS3 has potential but hasn't delivered.  The 360 is delivering and offers continued potential through 2008.

InfamousC

I geuss the 1.8 mil that picked it up now didn't think it was "worthwhile" please dude don't post your opinions as fact.

[QUOTE="NotThat_basic"][QUOTE="Raz-1"][QUOTE="NotThat_basic"][QUOTE="Raz-1"]Well, UK seems to wanting the PS3 pretty bad to me.

Raz-1

Funny, 'cause from what I see - many retailers are still taking preorders (Play, Game) which would tell me things aren't as rosy in the UK as you'd like to think...

umm...do stores even know how many PS3's they are guaranteed to get? NO, so as long as preorders are concerned, Stores can preorder customers consoles as much as they want, but only a 1/3 or less might end up with a Ps3 at launch. Very few stores like Gamestation will have a limit to how many preorders they will take.

Then 'guaranteeing' these systems at launch would be a bad idea, huh? And - seeing as these sites are in fact, doing just that - I have a hard time believing they don't have a clue as to how many they are getting...

The reason they are doing this is because many stores are now doing "first come first serve" basis, regardless if you were the 1st or the 100th person to preorder. Thats exactly what HMV are doing. Unlike before with PS2 , if you were the 30th person who preordered the PS2, the store will reserve the 30th console for you and you could pick it up any time you wished.

Honestly - I have no idea what you are getting at. If Game.com is 'guaranteeing' a preordered system on 'launch day', doesn't that mean they would have to know whether they have enough to actually fulfill the orders?!?!?!

'First come, first serve' has no relevance here - they have it printed right on their website. 'Order a PS3 today and have it on March 23rd'...    ...isn't it logical to assume they are taking a preset number of orders for which they know they can fulfil????   :?

360 Launch:

US: Check

JP: Check

EU: Check

Sold out:

US: Check

JP:

EU: Check

Constrained launch numbers? Yes.

PS3 Launch:

US: Check

JP: Check

EU:

Sold out:

US:

JP:

EU:

Constrained launch numbers? No.

[QUOTE="nnavidson"]

Right now it's fact.  The PS3 has potential but hasn't delivered.  The 360 is delivering and offers continued potential through 2008.

InfamousC

I geuss the 1.8 mil that picked it up now didn't think it was "worthwhile" please dude don't post your opinions as fact.

I was saying that the 360 having sold millions more units than the 360 is fact.  I thought it was clear with what I was responding to.

Whether or not purchasing a PS3 right now is worthwhile is a matter of opinion.  It's my opinion that it's not right now.

Last I heard, Xbox360 sold more than the PS3 at launch.

Xbox360 sold/ship 1.5 million by their first year, while the PS3 only managed to sell/ship 1 million. Of course fanboys can argue that the PS3 was not released in Europe or what not, but the fact remains, the Xbox360 sold more.

I do agree people should wait but the ps3 has already been out for over 4 and a half months and has only sold like a million and a half...klabut

When was the 1.5 million las reported? Also, its only out in two territories....

I'll keep this rant short in case no one else agrees,

nnavidson

[QUOTE="nnavidson"]

I'll keep this rant short in case no one else agrees,

Magical_Zebra

You think the PS3 came out at the same time as the 360? :shock:

That was all I was saying... People act as if once the PS3 picks up alittle steam the 360 will simply STOP selling... Are they mad? Personally I think the 360 will continue to outsell the PS3 (if only slightly) until something major hits.. like DMC4.. That'll be more than enough to solidify it's lead over sony.. OhSnapitz

[QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"][QUOTE="nnavidson"]

I'll keep this rant short in case no one else agrees,

nnavidson

You think the PS3 came out at the same time as the 360? :shock: