ROFL, i posted there "I'm the majority" i did edit that accordingly but you got to it before i did! how unfortunate.
Please stop using Crysis as ownage
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You are calling Crysis "not special" because it is similar to one other game? As opposed to the majority of FPS out there that are all original experiences? You are actually calling it Far Cry with better graphics? Far Cry? Are you kidding me?
This is getting ridiculous, I have to go out soon; and your attempts to criticise Crysis are just interchangeable FPS attacks that pretend Far Cry games are a dime a dozen.
AnnoyedDragon
Multiple quote boxes are never a good idea in running arguments if you ask me, as they make things a nightmare to respond to. I'll just try to say everything in general terms, rather than responding to individual snippets and hopefully everything will be addressed. If not, apologies.
When someone says 'that movie sucked', they're giving an opinion. If my friend said 'man, Wolfman sucked' and i responded 'stop citing your opinion as fact, you should have said you THINK that wolfman sucks' i imagine i'd get the same reponse i'm providing now. Common sense.
Are you going to say that you require a person to specifiy when and when not they are giving an opinion? If i were to say 'Half Life 2 is good', you would need me to add 'in my opinion' to the end of that statement in order to know that i was giving an opinion? Of course not. So can we please stop with the pointless picking apart of words and just accept that i was giving an opinion on Crysis, and nothing else? Not stating facts. Not preaching gospel. Just giving an opinion. Like i told you what, four or five posts ago? Will i need to repeat it again? :?
And i'm not trying to 'get out' of anything. Rather than discuss anything i've said, you have instead taken the bizarre but fairly common approach of trying to tell another person who has said something what THEY THEMSELVES did or did not say. Apparently i said that Crysis is boring, and that's a fact! I'm quite confident i merely said it was boring, but i'm sure you'll try and further tell me otherwise.
Moving on:
In regard to the go there, kill this comment i elaborated earlier that it is difficult to phrase such a complaint without sounding obtuse; after all, go there and kill them is what you do in practically every shooter ever made. Much like our prior issue however, it's something where i'm confident you know what i'm saying, but rather than address it or even just flat-out disagree you instead attack the words themselves. My point was that the game feels like a repetitive series of actions spread out over a larger scale, much like Assassins Creed was a large game but saw you repeating essentially the same actions over and over again. That is how i felt with Crysis; it became mundane by the end. Disagree by all means, but it's not a terribly unjustified criticism; i can quote a fair number of reviews making the exact same comment. There's not enough variation in what you're doing throughout the game.
Finally, i did not say Far Cry games were a dime a dozen. I said Crysis is essentially the same thing Crytek were doing last gen (where they even called Crytek back then or where they a Ubi division? I forget....) with Far Cry. Namely; a very pretty island. They've said themselves that it's something they need to and intend to move away from with Crysis 2.
To conclude, i think about 90% of your responses are counter-points to arguments you've imposed on me as opposed to anything i actually said.
That's why i said in the opening sentence that you need to take a post at face value. What do we have here? Someone complaining that Crysis is always being used as the god of all games, giving an opinion on why they think it shouldn't. The response 'you cant tell me what to do!' isn't addressing any of that, but making the post something it wasn't. Like i said to him, if you honestly want to sit here and tell me that my post was demanding people have a certain viewpoint on Crysis there's no point me even going down that road of discussion. Completely pointless.The thread title is "Please stop using Crysis as ownage"
To me, and I'm sure the majority, that sounds like YOU ARE ASKING for something from US.
lucfonzy
I said i doubt you even played it. I didn't say you haven't played it. And i only saw Crysis running on a monitor, i can find that kind of pic in Google .[QUOTE="moistsandwich"]
What Revan? you have nothing to say now? PWNED!
Revan_911
And what you're saying is that every proffesional reviewers oppinion is wrong, because you "the experienced gamer" say so.
Believe it or not - and i know this is controversial stuff on system wars - but it is actually possible to express an opinion without the implication that any and every alternate opinion is therefore wrong. Just throwin' it out there.
I said i doubt you even played it. I didn't say you haven't played it. And i only saw Crysis running on a monitor, i can find that kind of pic in Google .[QUOTE="moistsandwich"]
What Revan? you have nothing to say now? PWNED!
Revan_911
And what you're saying is that every proffesional reviewers oppinion is wrong, because you "the experienced gamer" say so.
*cough* ahem *cough*
what now?
Prediction: "i didn't say you never played it, i said i DOUBT you played it." :Pwhat now?
moistsandwich
In your statement that Crysis is , in my own words here, a rehash of Far Cry. Well that's because its made by the same people. I think pretty much all game developers do the same thing.
Ubisoft make acrobatic platformers - Prince of persia, the sands of time trilogy, the 2008 version, assassins creed 1 and 2.
Inifinty ward make arcadey shooters - the whole call of duty franchise
Codemasters, im pretty sure they enjoy making alot of racing games and the like?
Valve , they use their source engine for everything they do. blah blah blah, you cant expect them to conjure up something new and innovative that has never ever been done before.
TC seirously just give it up. You created a thread stating a opinion as if it was fact. The fact is that your opinion is just that. a negative opinion on a highly rated game - which is universally accepted as being high class for its genre. You will find it difficult to find one review on the game which is below 80%. And 3/4 of the review are going to be around the 9.0-9.5 mark. That speaks volumes on the quality of the product. It's obviously not just a pretty shooter to score around 9.0 average.
This thread serves no purpose. Because it's not possible that everyone is going to agree with you. Some people will agree with you. but the majority who enjoyed Crysis won't even post in this thread. They will just ignore it. And those who consider Crysis one of the best games they've played will post here and just tell you you're wrong. I can see this thread fifteen pages on and it will be exactly the same as it is now. People who didn't enjoy Crysis saying it's "just a pretty game". And those who did telling you it isn't. And people will still post pictures of Crysis because it's still arguably best FPS this gen, and is still the best looking game three years on.
What's the point of this thread exactly? _Pedro_I dont even know any more. :P I think one, wonderful, beautiful person commented back on the other page saying 'dont apologise...' to me who seemed to appreciate exactly what i was saying, even though he disagreed. Clearly i've either phrased something badly, wandered into a place where simply nobody agrees with me (i could have posted the exact same thing elsewhere with a completely different outcome) or offended a great deal of Crysis fans, which was not my intention of course. The 'point' of the thread was basically that Crysis is continually used as a 'god of all games' sort of deal, used to counter anything else which looks promising. "Yeah, looks alright... but Crysis!' I thought it was getting kind of old, and gave my opinion on why i think Crysis isn't the god of all games, but merely the god of graphics. Clearly lots of people disagree with me, which is fair enough, though i have to say i think the little splinter arguments of 'you cant tell people what to do!!' based on the topic title and 'stop giving your opinion as fact!' were just absurd, to be completely honest.
Stopped there, i'm afraid. No i didn't. :)TC seirously just give it up. You created a thread stating a opinion as if it was fact.
Solar-X
No, I won't stop shoving the graphical superiority of this game into people's faces just because you didn't like it.
It's not a rehash by any means, it clearly had an awful lot of effort put into it. I think a rehash is typically associated with games slapped together with little improvement over their predecessors, though maybe that's just my interpretation. The Far Cry comment was just a response to the counter-point that Crysis is special and unique; i felt it was just Crytek taking their previous game and giving it the 2.0 treatment. I felt like i'd done it all before a couple of years ago. I think the problem here is that i've made it sound like Crysis is a BAD game by focusing too much on the negatives, which is obviously wrong. It's not at all a BAD game. My point was that isn't the god of all games, but i guess in saying how i thought it was boring, uninspired etc i've made it out to be a crappy game, which it obviously isn't.In your statement that Crysis is , in my own words here, a rehash of Far Cry. Well that's because its made by the same people. I think pretty much all game developers do the same thing.
Ubisoft make acrobatic platformers - Prince of persia, the sands of time trilogy, the 2008 version, assassins creed 1 and 2.
Inifinty ward make arcadey shooters - the whole call of duty franchise
Codemasters, im pretty sure they enjoy making alot of racing games and the like?
Valve , they use their source engine for everything they do. blah blah blah, you cant expect them to conjure up something new and innovative that has never ever been done before.
lucfonzy
Oh god, that's your basis of argument?In your statement that Crysis is , in my own words here, a rehash of Far Cry. Well that's because its made by the same people. I think pretty much all game developers do the same thing.
Ubisoft make acrobatic platformers - Prince of persia, the sands of time trilogy, the 2008 version, assassins creed 1 and 2.
Inifinty ward make arcadey shooters - the whole call of duty franchise
Codemasters, im pretty sure they enjoy making alot of racing games and the like?
Valve , they use their source engine for everything they do. blah blah blah, you cant expect them to conjure up something new and innovative that has never ever been done before.
lucfonzy
It's a rehash because it's the same developers and they must always make the same thing? Using one of your examples (Valve) is Left 4 Dead a rehash of Half Life 2?
:P I wont poke the bear.No, I won't stop shoving the graphical superiority of this game into people's faces just because you didn't like it.
smokeydabear076
[QUOTE="Solar-X"]Stopped there, i'm afraid. No i didn't. :) Well if you're not stating your opinion as fact. Why are you asking people to follow your opinion. Opinion should be something which singular, it's someones "personal" views on something. When you start trying to change peoples behaviour based on your views then it stops being a opinion and starts being something more.TC seirously just give it up. You created a thread stating a opinion as if it was fact.
Doctor-McNinja
If you honestly want to extrapolate from my post that i'm 'telling people what to do' you go ahead. There's no point me even arguing with that. If you cannot take a post on face value, i'm not going to sit and argue on and on with no purpose. I didn't tell anyone what to do, i merely pointed out a situation which i think is getting old - namely 'Crysis is the god of all games' type behaviour - and then gave my opinion on why it isn't credible to be treated as such. At no point did i make any demands of anyone, tell anyone that their opinion is wrong or anything else of that nature.[QUOTE="naval"]
why would I be outraged about this ? Do you really think it is the first time I am seeing some anti-Crysis thread ?
What you said was - "Please stop using Crysis as ownage" - "Because it was boring. Because it was uninspired. Because it was completely forgettable." Aren't you telling others to do based on what you think ?
Let's see some other things you said :-
* GS average user score is 8.9, even though quite a few people have give it a low score because they cannot run it on their pcs .
* Average critic score of the the game is 90+
Doctor-McNinja
So hopefully that'll put a stop to that line of argument, though i doubt it will. As for the rest; my source of user reviews being in the 7s was Metacritic, last time i checked. It may have since changed. As for average critic score, a third were less than 90. Like i said earlier however, i was drooling all over it when it first came out. Things change.
there was no extrapolation anywhere , whatever I said was implied directly by what you wrote (lots of people do agree with me it seems on that). Anyways, I too will stop with this and take the main meaning of you post now. You think Crysis is all flash and no substance -- fine with me. I Personally couldn't care less what you think,Anyways , I just checked the metacritic user scores : Crysis : 7.7, Halo 3 - 7.5. So what does this says now ?
Regarding metacritic score score , what is important - number of reviews in 80 or avg review ? I would say average review which is 91%.which is above 90%. Secondly I don't really care for the reviews from so many of those no name sites that gets created daily.
IMO and Gamespot agrees, it is one of the more unique and best Singleplayers this gen.. sSubZerOo
Yeah we all know how credible Gamespot is... :roll:
[QUOTE="lucfonzy"]It's not a rehash by any means, it clearly had an awful lot of effort put into it. I think a rehash is typically associated with games slapped together with little improvement over their predecessors, though maybe that's just my interpretation. The Far Cry comment was just a response to the counter-point that Crysis is special and unique; i felt it was just Crytek taking their previous game and giving it the 2.0 treatment. I felt like i'd done it all before a couple of years ago. I think the problem here is that i've made it sound like Crysis is a BAD game by focusing too much on the negatives, which is obviously wrong. It's not at all a BAD game. My point was that isn't the god of all games, but i guess in saying how i thought it was boring, uninspired etc i've made it out to be a crappy game, which it obviously isn't.In your statement that Crysis is , in my own words here, a rehash of Far Cry. Well that's because its made by the same people. I think pretty much all game developers do the same thing.
Ubisoft make acrobatic platformers - Prince of persia, the sands of time trilogy, the 2008 version, assassins creed 1 and 2.
Inifinty ward make arcadey shooters - the whole call of duty franchise
Codemasters, im pretty sure they enjoy making alot of racing games and the like?
Valve , they use their source engine for everything they do. blah blah blah, you cant expect them to conjure up something new and innovative that has never ever been done before.
Doctor-McNinja
Ok i see the point you are trying to make here.
But if saying that it was just an update of Far Cry, surely that's a good thing no?
Far Cry was highly acclaimed at the time of release, why not make a better version of it. Ok it's fairly similar, but people are still here playing street fighter 4 after what is it, nearly 20 years now?
I don't know, maybe that was a bad analogy. But do you see what i mean.
[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]:P I wont poke the bear. You better not, and if anything people should stop using footage of unrealsed games as ownage... you know, because you can't even play them yet...No, I won't stop shoving the graphical superiority of this game into people's faces just because you didn't like it.
Doctor-McNinja
[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]IMO and Gamespot agrees, it is one of the more unique and best Singleplayers this gen.. moistsandwich
Yeah we all know how credible Gamespot is... :roll:
.... This is system wars, if you do not like Gamespots opinions, feel free to leave the forum.. Because gamespots reviews are really the only credible reviews we use in systemwars.. And in the end they are all opinions.. And sorry to break it to you but gamespot isn't neccesarly the only site to love the game..
[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]IMO and Gamespot agrees, it is one of the more unique and best Singleplayers this gen.. moistsandwich
Yeah we all know how credible Gamespot is... :roll:
Seriously just give it up. 90% of credible review sources scored Crysis very highly. Edge one of the harshest media's on video game reviews scores it 9/10. GS was very harsh on reviews at the time of Crysis release. Jason Ocampo who did the review is considered to know his FPS gaming very well, and he scored it 9.5. You look at any decent review site and this game scored well over 80%. I can see you haters digging yourself a hole. And more and more facts are going to be poured into your face. Eventually you either going to have to leave this thread in silence or you can just keep arguing and make yourselves look silly.[QUOTE="Doctor-McNinja"][QUOTE="Solar-X"]Stopped there, i'm afraid. No i didn't. :) Well if you're not stating your opinion as fact. Why are you asking people to follow your opinion. Opinion should be something which singular, it's someones "personal" views on something. When you start trying to change peoples behaviour based on your views then it stops being a opinion and starts being something more. I didn't ask people to follow my opinion. I didn't say people should abandon their point of view and come mirror mine, i just gave my point of view. Like i've said before, please stop taking the topic title so personally and use some common sense. Nothing about my post said that anyone is WRONG about anything. If you cannot take an opinion on face value, that's not my fault.TC seirously just give it up. You created a thread stating a opinion as if it was fact.
Solar-X
I dont even know any more. :P I think one, wonderful, beautiful person commented back on the other page saying 'dont apologise...' to me who seemed to appreciate exactly what i was saying, even though he disagreed. Clearly i've either phrased something badly, wandered into a place where simply nobody agrees with me (i could have posted the exact same thing elsewhere with a completely different outcome) or offended a great deal of Crysis fans, which was not my intention of course. The 'point' of the thread was basically that Crysis is continually used as a 'god of all games' sort of deal, used to counter anything else which looks promising. "Yeah, looks alright... but Crysis!' I thought it was getting kind of old, and gave my opinion on why i think Crysis isn't the god of all games, but merely the god of graphics. Clearly lots of people disagree with me, which is fair enough, though i have to say i think the little splinter arguments of 'you cant tell people what to do!!' based on the topic title and 'stop giving your opinion as fact!' were just absurd, to be completely honest.Doctor-McNinjaThanks for elaborating on it :) I don't think this was needed. I think very little people bring Crysis into a debate which isn't about graphics for exactly the reasons you mentioned. I personally think crysis was a good game, but mainly because of the sandbox editor and the high quality upcoming mods.
[QUOTE="moistsandwich"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]IMO and Gamespot agrees, it is one of the more unique and best Singleplayers this gen.. Solar-X
Yeah we all know how credible Gamespot is... :roll:
Seriously just give it up. 90% of credible review sources scored Crysis very highly. Edge one of the harshest media's on video game reviews scores it 9/10. GS was very harsh on reviews at the time of Crysis release. Jason Ocampo who did the review is considered to know his FPS gaming very well, and he scored it 9.5. You look at any decent review site and this game scored well over 80%. I can see you haters digging yourself a hole. And more and more facts are going to be poured into your faces. Eventually you either going to have to leave this thread in silence or you can just keep arguing and make yourselves look silly. You argue about how opinions cannot be facts, yet you refuse to allow him to say anything which doesn't agree with you. Apparently he has two options; agree with you or leave. Hmmm. This is one of the problems with system wars; believe it or not, it is possible to express an opinion without casting off all others as wrong. If someone says Crysis aint all that, you are free to say 'really? i thought it was good...' and go from there. This business of ignoring what the actual opinion says and just going after the opinion itself is so pointless and redundant i get bored just talking about it.There's lots of things we should stop doing to be honest, but then again system wars would be a much less interesting place. :PYou better not, and if anything people should stop using footage of unrealsed games as ownage... you know, because you can't even play them yet...
smokeydabear076
[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="Doctor-McNinja"] I didn't ask people to follow my opinion. I didn't say people should abandon their point of view and come mirror mine, i just gave my point of view. Doctor-McNinjaIn a topic titled "Please stop using Crysis as ownage", you might have difficulty arguing these things. Of course you edited out what i said immediately after that sentence because it addresses exactly what you just said. No, I took it out because you tried to have a textbook case of having your cake and eating it too. You cannot post an extremely opinionated and argumentative title, then later claim you don't intend to be opinionated or argumentative. Acknowledging the fact you've made horrendous contradictions does not make it dissapear.
Your thread is about how people should shut up about Crysis because it isn't very innovative/good/fresh. Inevitably this will draw counter arguments.
Of course you edited out what i said immediately after that sentence because it addresses exactly what you just said. No, I took it out because you tried to have a textbook case of having your cake and eating it too. You cannot post an extremely opinionated and argumentative title, then later claim you don't intend to be opinionated or argumentative. Acknowledging the fact you've made horrendous contradictions does not make it dissapear.[QUOTE="Doctor-McNinja"][QUOTE="Danm_999"] In a topic titled "Please stop using Crysis as ownage", you might have difficulty arguing these things.Danm_999
Your thread is about how people should shut up about Crysis because it isn't very innovative/good/fresh. Inevitably this will draw counter arguments.
I did not claim to not want to be argumentative at all. The whole point of the thread was to argue about Crysis; whether the gameplay is up to par with the graphics. Very, very few people actually did that though, and i had some decent exchanges with those who did. You guys are instead following this pointless line of the OPINION itself as opposed to the content of it.The hell they have. I've repeatedly pointed out that Crysis isn't as revolutionary as everyone likes to imagine. "Go-anywhere" gameplay that doesn't actually let you go "anywhere" (well, not for more than the 10sec. countdown), AI that will respond to a bullet hitting the wall behind them but can't be bothered to check out a massive explosion, scripting so fragile that you almost have to know the proper sequence beforehand (cave bug), and even that its vaunted open terrain and nano-powers were already done in other games (ex. Ghost Recon and Deus Ex, respectively).That's because every single person I have asked to elaborate, every single one, pulled the opinion/preference card. With it happening so often; can I really expect different?
AnnoyedDragon
That you're unwilling to actually LISTEN to anyone who disagrees with you doesn't mean they're not elaborating on their opinion.
[QUOTE="Solar-X"] You didn't just give your point of view though. Your title specifically states that you want people to change their behavior. .Doctor-McNinjaLike i've said about four times, if you cannot take something on face value that is not my fault. I wont bore myself in indulging in such redundant arguments.
Actually its your fault for failing at writing in not being clear, and contridicting your self all in the same sentence.. I could write something extremely convoluted too, but that doesn't put the readers at the blame if I wrote something that wasn't very clear.
[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]There's lots of things we should stop doing to be honest, but then again system wars would be a much less interesting place. :PI don't know, maybe it would be more interesting to have some changes because it is boring to see the same stuff happen again and again. That's why I can never seriously post here anymore... At the same time, I guess that's a good thing because debating videogames too much is a bit stupid if you ask me... too bad it took me too long to realise this. :lol:You better not, and if anything people should stop using footage of unrealsed games as ownage... you know, because you can't even play them yet...
Doctor-McNinja
cool story bra;)
Like i've said about four times, if you cannot take something on face value that is not my fault. I wont bore myself in indulging in such redundant arguments.[QUOTE="Doctor-McNinja"][QUOTE="Solar-X"] You didn't just give your point of view though. Your title specifically states that you want people to change their behavior. .sSubZerOo
Actually its your fault for failing at writing in not being clear, and contridicting your self all in the same sentence.. I could write something extremely convoluted too, but that doesn't put the readers at the blame if I wrote something that wasn't very clear.
What wasn't clear, exactly? I said a bunch of stuff about how Crysis aint all that. I'm not talking quantum physics here. Sorry, i'll happily concede to anyone who says something which opens my eyes to another point of view; i've compromised with plenty of people in this very thread. I refuse to accept the redundancy of this 'your opinion aint fact' nonsense however, no matter how many times you rephrase it or attempt to tell me that i supposedly made a thread demanding that everyone cease in their enjoyment of Crysis and join me in my general indifference towards it. Because i didn't. Simple as that really. You can actually engage in a conversation with someone about the content of what they have said, or you can go down this road of imposing intentions upon them despite the fact that THEY SAID what they said, not you. The second they say 'um no, that's not what i said....' the point is clarified. To continue on that line of argument as if you can tell another person what their intentions where is just ridiculous.[QUOTE="Danm_999"]No, I took it out because you tried to have a textbook case of having your cake and eating it too. You cannot post an extremely opinionated and argumentative title, then later claim you don't intend to be opinionated or argumentative. Acknowledging the fact you've made horrendous contradictions does not make it dissapear.[QUOTE="Doctor-McNinja"] Of course you edited out what i said immediately after that sentence because it addresses exactly what you just said. Doctor-McNinja
Your thread is about how people should shut up about Crysis because it isn't very innovative/good/fresh. Inevitably this will draw counter arguments.
I did not claim to not want to be argumentative at all. The whole point of the thread was to argue about Crysis; whether the gameplay is up to par with the graphics. Very, very few people actually did that though, and i had some decent exchanges with those who did. You guys are instead following this pointless line of the OPINION itself as opposed to the content of it. Decent exchanges? The only point I've seen you make about Crysis gameplay is that it must be derivative of Far Cry because both were developed by Crytek and that user reviews were 7.5 (to be honest, these arguments could be made by someone who has never played the game, as they have little to do with it's quality). There is no other content to your post. You don't mention WHY Crysis' gameplay is lacking, you don't mention WHY it isn't innovative, in fact for someone arguing why we should condemn Crysis to the netherworld of gaming discussion, you give little tangible reasoning at all. You dedicate a single sentence that could honestly apply to any FPS to criticise it, and spend the rest of the thread defending your opinion and simultaneously claiming you aren't trying to push an opinion. This is why people are so frustrated with you.You have not engaged me with the WHY of anything; you have only stuck to this pointless line of argument in telling another person what they they are/aren't saying. Doctor-McNinja
I don't have to. You're making the claim here. I don't have to make it for you then debunk it.
And of course we have the introduction of 'you must not have played it' - another sterling argument.Doctor-McNinja
I never accused you of such. I simply said your arguments were so general that they could have been made by someone who has never played it. That's a reflection on the inadequacy of your arguments, not your integrity.
Shall i pursue that and waste more time going down that road? No, thank you. As for the WHY, i've said plenty of times why the gameplay is lacking - you can go back and read it yourself.Doctor-McNinja
I went throught all the pages of this thread. The only concrete reasons I drew from you were;
1) User reviews were 7.5
2) Derivative of Far Cry since it was from the same developer
3) A one liner in your OP about how the AI was bad.
This is why I'm mocking you, I've read the arguments and find them hopelessly inadequate.
I also said plenty of times why it is uninspired, Doctor-McNinja
No, you haven't.
Saying something like the level design was bad, or the story was a cliche would be a reason, you haven't given one of these. In about 10 pages of posts, I can barely find 100 words worth of criticism of Crysis' gameplay that are actually substantative.
though i never claimed it wasn't innovative (though i will now... cos it aint) so you can hardly complain that i didn't substantiate a point i never made. Your last sentence is just further proof that you aren't even reading what i'm saying as you yet again seem sure of the fact that i'm claiming to not be pushing an opinion. So i'll repeat myself again; i am! I gave an opinion! Quite a few indeed; feel free to disagree with my opinion any which way you feel, and perhaps we can have a discussion about it. Alternatively, continue some more about telling me what i did/didn't do and ignore the subject matter at hand (y'know... Crysis) in favour of repeating the same points over and over again that i'm stating things as fact and demanding people change their point of view; then i can reply and repeat how i'm not again.Doctor-McNinja
I'm not ignoring the subject matter. I've asked why you think we shouldn't consider Crysis in System Wars anymore. You've given me a defensive ramble about what you haven't said.
Remember, the burden isn't on me to prove what Crysis is and isn't, this is YOUR thread, it is on you.
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