Poll: New ROG Phone a more realized future reference for better mobile gaming?

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Poll Poll: New ROG Phone a more realized future reference for better mobile gaming? (19 votes)

Definitely. 16%
Probably. 5%
Maybe. 16%
Unlikely. 11%
Nope. 53%

In a singular phone/tablet form factor:

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https://rog.asus.com/articles/smartphones/announcing-the-rog-phone-changing-the-game-for-mobile/

2160x1080 HDR OLED screen

2.96Ghz Snapdragon 845 (they said they have exclusive high binned ones)

Adreno 630

8 GB RAM

512GB UFS (faster than emmc?)

2/3 USB Cs. At least 1 on the side and 1 on the bottom.

Wireless AD 2x2 MIMO

4000 mAh battery

Edges that can act as pseudo triggers (pressure sensitive). They call it AirTriggers and they are programmable.

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Active cooling option:

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Dock that has crapton of outputs (HDMI, DP, LAN, x4 USB, x1 USB C, mouse and keyboard support)

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Wireless HDMI display capability with clone mode.

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I know it's just another gaming phone which seem to be sprouting recently along with the Shark and Razer.

Just sharing how these can show the baby steps towards the possibility of a more involved portable/mobile/manheld gaming in the future.

I still believe Nintendo is somewhat being smart through consolidation towards more handheld approach and I hope for handheld PC growth post ScamZ and GPD Wins.

Maybe we'll even see a PS4 Portable that's more of a psuedo-competitor with the Switch 2 much later on.

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#1 Ant_17
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I'm sure people that play Fortnite/PUBG will like these phones, but i don't use my phone for games.

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@Ant_17 said:

I'm sure people that play Fortnite/PUBG will like these phones, but i don't use my phone for games.

Maybe :) TBH I think most would rather play on the most popular phones and use other accessories. This is ultra niche I think but I'd be happily surprise if this thing even sells like a hundred thousand.

I think this could cost over a thousand with all those things.

Anyway, just happy to see actual consumer hardware that's very versatile even though there's less likelihood of traction. That sounds a bit mean but I don't mean it that way.

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Next iPhone will be more powerful anyway

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@GioVela2010 said:

Next iPhone will be more powerful anyway

For one year til its throttled.

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@Pedro said:
@GioVela2010 said:

Next iPhone will be more powerful anyway

For one year til its throttled.

Androids perform worse over time

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@GioVela2010 said:
@Pedro said:
@GioVela2010 said:

Next iPhone will be more powerful anyway

For one year til its throttled.

Androids perform worse over time

I cannot say that I experience that with the s8.

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#7  Edited By j2zon2591
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@GioVela2010 said:

Next iPhone will be more powerful anyway

I thought the iPhone already had better CPU and GPU. Sadly, I think it was after 6S was it? Their GPU started throttling too. I swear anandtech had that article but right now google just floods me with the news relating to battery throttling and it ain't really that.

EDIT: It seems it started with the iPhone 7

https://www.pcworld.com/article/3146630/mobile/the-mysteries-of-the-gpu-in-apples-iphone-7-are-unlocked.html

I'm confident that previously their GPU's weren't doing it like that but I guess we've hit a ceiling and their and our addiction to thin phones.

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@j2zon2591 said:
@GioVela2010 said:

Next iPhone will be more powerful anyway

I thought the iPhone already had better CPU and GPU. Sadly, I think it was after 6S was it? Their GPU started throttling too. I swear anandtech had that article but right now google just floods me with the news relating to battery throttling and it ain't really that.

EDIT: It seems it started with the iPhone 7

https://www.pcworld.com/article/3146630/mobile/the-mysteries-of-the-gpu-in-apples-iphone-7-are-unlocked.html

I'm confident that previously their GPU's weren't doing it like that but I guess we've hit a ceiling and their and our addiction to thin phones.

Yah but next iPhone will be the first phone built on 7nm fab. That combined with the fact iOS 12 is focusing on performance makes me confident the next iPhone will mop the competition at release

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Yea for a year until they throttle there iphone again to sell there next one.

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@GioVela2010 said:
@j2zon2591 said:
@GioVela2010 said:

Next iPhone will be more powerful anyway

I thought the iPhone already had better CPU and GPU. Sadly, I think it was after 6S was it? Their GPU started throttling too. I swear anandtech had that article but right now google just floods me with the news relating to battery throttling and it ain't really that.

EDIT: It seems it started with the iPhone 7

https://www.pcworld.com/article/3146630/mobile/the-mysteries-of-the-gpu-in-apples-iphone-7-are-unlocked.html

I'm confident that previously their GPU's weren't doing it like that but I guess we've hit a ceiling and their and our addiction to thin phones.

Yah but next iPhone will be the first phone built on 7nm fab. That combined with the fact iOS 12 is focusing on performance makes me confident the next iPhone will mop the competition at release

I think that's likely and I hope they go back pre iPhone 7 where the GPU doesn't throttle or at least throttle near as much as what the iPhone 7 and after iterations have been doing unless Apple has some grand strategy where only iPads have the most stable GPU on load for their mobile devices.

I'm confused. Doesn't apple have the best GPU and CPU on phones everytime they release? AFAIK they are more optimized than any android counterpart.

Switch was the only notable different case afaicr.

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@GioVela2010 said:
@j2zon2591 said:
@GioVela2010 said:

Next iPhone will be more powerful anyway

I thought the iPhone already had better CPU and GPU. Sadly, I think it was after 6S was it? Their GPU started throttling too. I swear anandtech had that article but right now google just floods me with the news relating to battery throttling and it ain't really that.

EDIT: It seems it started with the iPhone 7

https://www.pcworld.com/article/3146630/mobile/the-mysteries-of-the-gpu-in-apples-iphone-7-are-unlocked.html

I'm confident that previously their GPU's weren't doing it like that but I guess we've hit a ceiling and their and our addiction to thin phones.

Yah but next iPhone will be the first phone built on 7nm fab. That combined with the fact iOS 12 is focusing on performance makes me confident the next iPhone will mop the competition at release

I'm skeptical on its sustained graphics performance. A Snapdragon 835 was able to beat the A11 in sustained graphics performance, and it came out in early 2017. A well binned and properly implemented Snapdragon 845, like in this ROG Phone, is very far ahead of the A11.

7nm will be a help, but Apple also needs to improve their archetecture considerably. Interestingly enough, if they would have stuck with Imagination Technologies design for the A11, it would have actually been even more powerful than their own design.

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@GioVela2010 said:
@Pedro said:
@GioVela2010 said:

Next iPhone will be more powerful anyway

For one year til its throttled.

Androids perform worse over time

Guess my S7 didn't get the memo.

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Too many options and no one will take any of them.

The switch is simpler to understand and comes with what you need.

Who's going to buy all this extra crap when candy crush doesn't need it?

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@Bread_or_Decide said:

Too many options and no one will take any of them.

The switch is simpler to understand and comes with what you need.

Who's going to buy all this extra crap when candy crush doesn't need it?

pubg/forniters are also using that homebrew remedy, I'm guessing.

I think pricing is gonna be the hard hitter here. I doubt it's affordable and will try to match the more expensive phone trends of $ 700 and above than cheaper handheld console trends of around $ 250.

I have a feeling the Switch 2 will have chockmore of features next round but the RoG or something similar may give more people a better concrete idea of an actual consumer product, not just something a few of us think as "that's an obvious incoming feature".

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@NVIDIATI said:
@GioVela2010 said:
@j2zon2591 said:
@GioVela2010 said:

Next iPhone will be more powerful anyway

I thought the iPhone already had better CPU and GPU. Sadly, I think it was after 6S was it? Their GPU started throttling too. I swear anandtech had that article but right now google just floods me with the news relating to battery throttling and it ain't really that.

EDIT: It seems it started with the iPhone 7

https://www.pcworld.com/article/3146630/mobile/the-mysteries-of-the-gpu-in-apples-iphone-7-are-unlocked.html

I'm confident that previously their GPU's weren't doing it like that but I guess we've hit a ceiling and their and our addiction to thin phones.

Yah but next iPhone will be the first phone built on 7nm fab. That combined with the fact iOS 12 is focusing on performance makes me confident the next iPhone will mop the competition at release

I'm skeptical on its sustained graphics performance. A Snapdragon 835 was able to beat the A11 in sustained graphics performance, and it came out in early 2017. A well binned and properly implemented Snapdragon 845, like in this ROG Phone, is very far ahead of the A11.

7nm will be a help, but Apple also needs to improve their archetecture considerably. Interestingly enough, if they would have stuck with Imagination Technologies design for the A11, it would have actually been even more powerful than their own design.

Yikes. Apple stopped having the best phone GPU's after iPhone release since they left powerVR? That sucks.

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@j2zon2591 said:
@NVIDIATI said:
@GioVela2010 said:
@j2zon2591 said:
@GioVela2010 said:

Next iPhone will be more powerful anyway

I thought the iPhone already had better CPU and GPU. Sadly, I think it was after 6S was it? Their GPU started throttling too. I swear anandtech had that article but right now google just floods me with the news relating to battery throttling and it ain't really that.

EDIT: It seems it started with the iPhone 7

https://www.pcworld.com/article/3146630/mobile/the-mysteries-of-the-gpu-in-apples-iphone-7-are-unlocked.html

I'm confident that previously their GPU's weren't doing it like that but I guess we've hit a ceiling and their and our addiction to thin phones.

Yah but next iPhone will be the first phone built on 7nm fab. That combined with the fact iOS 12 is focusing on performance makes me confident the next iPhone will mop the competition at release

I'm skeptical on its sustained graphics performance. A Snapdragon 835 was able to beat the A11 in sustained graphics performance, and it came out in early 2017. A well binned and properly implemented Snapdragon 845, like in this ROG Phone, is very far ahead of the A11.

7nm will be a help, but Apple also needs to improve their archetecture considerably. Interestingly enough, if they would have stuck with Imagination Technologies design for the A11, it would have actually been even more powerful than their own design.

Yikes. Apple stopped having the best phone GPU's after iPhone release since they left powerVR? That sucks.

It’s only 2nd place in GPU performance and that’s only because of throttling.

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@GioVela2010 said:
@j2zon2591 said:
@NVIDIATI said:
@GioVela2010 said:
@j2zon2591 said:

I thought the iPhone already had better CPU and GPU. Sadly, I think it was after 6S was it? Their GPU started throttling too. I swear anandtech had that article but right now google just floods me with the news relating to battery throttling and it ain't really that.

EDIT: It seems it started with the iPhone 7

https://www.pcworld.com/article/3146630/mobile/the-mysteries-of-the-gpu-in-apples-iphone-7-are-unlocked.html

I'm confident that previously their GPU's weren't doing it like that but I guess we've hit a ceiling and their and our addiction to thin phones.

Yah but next iPhone will be the first phone built on 7nm fab. That combined with the fact iOS 12 is focusing on performance makes me confident the next iPhone will mop the competition at release

I'm skeptical on its sustained graphics performance. A Snapdragon 835 was able to beat the A11 in sustained graphics performance, and it came out in early 2017. A well binned and properly implemented Snapdragon 845, like in this ROG Phone, is very far ahead of the A11.

7nm will be a help, but Apple also needs to improve their archetecture considerably. Interestingly enough, if they would have stuck with Imagination Technologies design for the A11, it would have actually been even more powerful than their own design.

Yikes. Apple stopped having the best phone GPU's after iPhone release since they left powerVR? That sucks.

It’s only 2nd place in GPU performance and that’s only because of throttling.

I see. So the latest Samsung's Adreno don't throttle at all?

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@j2zon2591 said:
@GioVela2010 said:
@j2zon2591 said:
@NVIDIATI said:

I'm skeptical on its sustained graphics performance. A Snapdragon 835 was able to beat the A11 in sustained graphics performance, and it came out in early 2017. A well binned and properly implemented Snapdragon 845, like in this ROG Phone, is very far ahead of the A11.

7nm will be a help, but Apple also needs to improve their archetecture considerably. Interestingly enough, if they would have stuck with Imagination Technologies design for the A11, it would have actually been even more powerful than their own design.

Yikes. Apple stopped having the best phone GPU's after iPhone release since they left powerVR? That sucks.

It’s only 2nd place in GPU performance and that’s only because of throttling.

I see. So the latest Samsung's Adreno don't throttle at all?

Don’t think so. And neither does the iPad‘s A10X which mops the competition in everything.

Less heat in the much bigger iPad, so no throttling

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@GioVela2010 said:
@j2zon2591 said:
@GioVela2010 said:
@j2zon2591 said:
@NVIDIATI said:

I'm skeptical on its sustained graphics performance. A Snapdragon 835 was able to beat the A11 in sustained graphics performance, and it came out in early 2017. A well binned and properly implemented Snapdragon 845, like in this ROG Phone, is very far ahead of the A11.

7nm will be a help, but Apple also needs to improve their archetecture considerably. Interestingly enough, if they would have stuck with Imagination Technologies design for the A11, it would have actually been even more powerful than their own design.

Yikes. Apple stopped having the best phone GPU's after iPhone release since they left powerVR? That sucks.

It’s only 2nd place in GPU performance and that’s only because of throttling.

I see. So the latest Samsung's Adreno don't throttle at all?

Don’t think so. And neither does the iPad‘s A10X which mops the competition in everything.

Less heat in the much bigger iPad, so no throttling

Nice. I view iPads as different beasts though and I never expected them to throttle if much. IMO tablets are closer to what I think is the future of PC handheld/console gaming anyway at least in volume (thicker, wider surface area than the typical phablet). Now I wanna see what the next gen Ipad does and ofc, Smach Z and it's successors/soul successors.

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@GioVela2010 said:
@j2zon2591 said:
@GioVela2010 said:
@j2zon2591 said:

Yikes. Apple stopped having the best phone GPU's after iPhone release since they left powerVR? That sucks.

It’s only 2nd place in GPU performance and that’s only because of throttling.

I see. So the latest Samsung's Adreno don't throttle at all?

Don’t think so. And neither does the iPad‘s A10X which mops the competition in everything.

Less heat in the much bigger iPad, so no throttling

The A11 can't maintain peak performance for more than one benchmark on the iPhone X or the iPhone 8 Plus. In the iPhone 8, it can't even reach peak performance before having to throttle. So I wouldn't say "only because of throttling", that's a very important factor.

The Galaxy S9 (Snapdragon) is a mess and will throttle after a couple runs. Even after throttling it will still outperform the A11, although it's clearly an example of bad implementation.

The Snapdragon 845 can outperform the A10X in the 10.5 iPad Pro and come close to the A10X in the much larger 12.9 inch iPad Pro.

3DMark Slingshot Extreme Unlimited

This ASUS ROG Phone will probably exceed the iPad Pro 12.9 as it's running a speed binned Snapdragon 845 with higher clocks and better cooling.

I should also note that these benchmarks are using OpenGL ES 3.1 on Android and Metal on iOS.

With Vulkan drivers and an updated benchmark suite, the performance of the Snapdragon would be even higher. It looks like GFXBench 5.0 be the first to test that. Currently iOS can't run GFXBench 4.0 (it uses OpenGL ES 3.1 + Android extension pack, so it's still stuck on 3.1).

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@NVIDIATI said:
@GioVela2010 said:
@j2zon2591 said:
@GioVela2010 said:
@j2zon2591 said:

Yikes. Apple stopped having the best phone GPU's after iPhone release since they left powerVR? That sucks.

It’s only 2nd place in GPU performance and that’s only because of throttling.

I see. So the latest Samsung's Adreno don't throttle at all?

Don’t think so. And neither does the iPad‘s A10X which mops the competition in everything.

Less heat in the much bigger iPad, so no throttling

The A11 can't maintain peak performance for more than one benchmark on the iPhone X or the iPhone 8 Plus. In the iPhone 8, it can't even reach peak performance before having to throttle. So I wouldn't say "only because of throttling", that's a very important factor.

The Galaxy S9 (Snapdragon) is a mess and will throttle after a couple runs. Even after throttling it will still outperform the A11, although it's clearly an example of bad implementation.

The Snapdragon 845 can outperform the A10X in the 10.5 iPad Pro and come close to the A10X in the much larger 12.9 inch iPad Pro.

3DMark Slingshot Extreme Unlimited

This ASUS ROG Phone will probably exceed the iPad Pro 12.9 as it's running a speed binned Snapdragon 845 with higher clocks and better cooling.

I should also note that these benchmarks are using OpenGL ES 3.1 on Android and Metal on iOS.

With Vulkan drivers and an updated benchmark suite, the performance of the Snapdragon would be even higher. It looks like GFXBench 5.0 be the first to test that. Currently iOS can't run GFXBench 4.0 (it uses OpenGL ES 3.1 + Android extension pack, so it's still stuck on 3.1).

Nice. Is it still true that iOS still have better optimized games in general or is it only because their resolutions are lower than androids? I'm asking closer to the mid to top end phones.

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it doesnt matter how strong and good a phone will get,it the bottom of the barrel for gaming and it will still for years to come