I think that Sony's main focus is selling blu-ray players. And here is why: Sony took a movie format that they invented and slapped (or trojan horsed) it into their best selling brand. It's simple, penetrate the market with blu-ray, then sit back and enjoy the kickbacks that feed their TV, stereo, and motion picture divisions. It doesn't stop there, the choice of using the Cell processor has more to do with blu-ray than gaming. The Cell is good for imaging. The Cell can run a blu-ray player just fine. At the same time 3rd party developers have voiced that the Cell is a disaster for making games. What say you?
Blu-ray was certainly stuck into the PS3 for motives other than gaming. To what extent these ulterior motives dominated Sony's decision, hard to say. But if the PS3 continues to perform poorly over 2007 and into 2008, Sony certainly will regret trying to use the Playstation brand to piggy-back it's other interests.
I really can't see how Sony's actions with blu-ray don't disgust all gamers. If Sony would have had gamers in mind, if they would have used a standard DVD drive we could have all bought a premium PS3 for $300.
No. Their main goal is for you(consumers) to have one device that takes over the living room. They want you or everyone should I say to depend on one device to do it all. It's the same agenda M$ has with 360.
Why do you think they added all these multi media features? They are trying to target more then just gamers.
I really can't see how Sony's actions with blu-ray don't disgust all gamers. If Sony would have had gamers in mind, if they would have used a standard DVD drive we could have all bought a premium PS3 for $300.bluebrad1974
... Ps3 is 800-840 USD. Blu ray is 125 USD. More than likely blu ray does not affect prices.
[QUOTE="bluebrad1974"]I really can't see how Sony's actions with blu-ray don't disgust all gamers. If Sony would have had gamers in mind, if they would have used a standard DVD drive we could have all bought a premium PS3 for $300.yuna707
... Ps3 is 800-840 USD. Blu ray is 125 USD. More than likely blu ray does not affect prices. That is the dumbest thing that I have seen all day.
No. Their main goal is for you(consumers) to have one device that takes over the living room. They want you or everyone should I say to depend on one device to do it all. It's the same agenda M$ has with 360.
Why do you think they added all these multi media features? They are trying to target more then just gamers.
InfamousC
that thinking is the reason why the PS3 flopped, just get good games and specs and a reasonable price. The PS3 was meant to be a gaming console, not a High-def movie player or major multimedia device. Gamers don't want all that crap sky-rocketing the price of their console, they just want games, which the PS3 doesn't have.
[QUOTE="yuna707"][QUOTE="bluebrad1974"]I really can't see how Sony's actions with blu-ray don't disgust all gamers. If Sony would have had gamers in mind, if they would have used a standard DVD drive we could have all bought a premium PS3 for $300.bluebrad1974
... Ps3 is 800-840 USD. Blu ray is 125 USD. More than likely blu ray does not affect prices. That is the dumbest thing that I have seen all day. Yes, I agree. How can you try to argue that Blu-ray does not raise the cost of the unit? Blu-ray is the main reason people have to pay $600 for a PS3. Also, if Sony didnt choose Blu-ray they could afford to lower the cost to $400 or $300 for gamers to get the system. This would also make microsoft lower their costs. In all, Sony hurt gamers and themselves with the PS3. Just get a Wii--I know I will.
If the PS3's main focus was selling games, it would have more games coming out. But no, instead it has a full library of Blu-Ray movies ready to be bought for $50+ each. That's Sony's intent, it's not a gaming console that plays movies, it's a move player that plays games.
[QUOTE="bluebrad1974"][QUOTE="yuna707"][QUOTE="bluebrad1974"]I really can't see how Sony's actions with blu-ray don't disgust all gamers. If Sony would have had gamers in mind, if they would have used a standard DVD drive we could have all bought a premium PS3 for $300.ChimTheGrim21
... Ps3 is 800-840 USD. Blu ray is 125 USD. More than likely blu ray does not affect prices. That is the dumbest thing that I have seen all day. Yes, I agree. How can you try to argue that Blu-ray does not raise the cost of the unit? Blu-ray is the main reason people have to pay $600 for a PS3. Also, if Sony didnt choose Blu-ray they could afford to lower the cost to $400 or $300 for gamers to get the system. This would also make microsoft lower their costs. In all, Sony hurt gamers and themselves with the PS3. Just get a Wii--I know I will. Yuna must be one of those people that think the PS3 comes with a free blu-ray player.
they are in it for the money the same as any other company....dont go beleiving they care about the customer!daveg1
No, but they should care about consumers. They should give the consumer what they think the consumer wants instead of telling them what they are going to give them.
[QUOTE="daveg1"]they are in it for the money the same as any other company....dont go beleiving they care about the customer!Boba_Fett_3710
No, but they should care about consumers. They should give the consumer what they think the consumer wants instead of telling them what they are going to give them. we all know they should but its a different thing that they dont!
[QUOTE="daveg1"]they are in it for the money the same as any other company....dont go beleiving they care about the customer!Boba_Fett_3710
No, but they should care about consumers. They should give the consumer what they think the consumer wants instead of telling them what they are going to give them. Sony knew that if they didn't force gamers to buy a blu-ray player, then no one would have bought one. And that would have killed the mountain of kickbacks that their TV, stereo, and motion pictures divisions are currently getting because of the PS3.
the ps1 was $300, the ps2 was $300, like all things eventually the ps3 would become more expensive regardless if it had a blu ray drive. everything rises in cost not just technology, just looke at the rise of car, food or gas prices from the past 20 years. the next generation of consoles will also be more expensive and people will bash on it then too.
doesnt sony lose around $200 for each console they sell? its the games they make up the profit on. right now there isnt hardly any good games but this was the same boat the ps2 was in at the beginning of its life cycle and it did pretty well.
[QUOTE="ChimTheGrim21"][QUOTE="bluebrad1974"][QUOTE="yuna707"][QUOTE="bluebrad1974"]I really can't see how Sony's actions with blu-ray don't disgust all gamers. If Sony would have had gamers in mind, if they would have used a standard DVD drive we could have all bought a premium PS3 for $300.bluebrad1974
... Ps3 is 800-840 USD. Blu ray is 125 USD. More than likely blu ray does not affect prices. That is the dumbest thing that I have seen all day. Yes, I agree. How can you try to argue that Blu-ray does not raise the cost of the unit? Blu-ray is the main reason people have to pay $600 for a PS3. Also, if Sony didnt choose Blu-ray they could afford to lower the cost to $400 or $300 for gamers to get the system. This would also make microsoft lower their costs. In all, Sony hurt gamers and themselves with the PS3. Just get a Wii--I know I will. Yuna must be one of those people that think the PS3 comes with a free blu-ray player. WHETHER OR NOT BLU RAY IS IN THE PS3 IT SELLS FOR A SIGNIFICANT LOSS. you are one of those naivetes who like to blame blu ray. The machine is so bloated, it would sell for around 150 USD loss without blu-ray... I doubt Sony would drop the price at a 725 USD cost... Maybe 50, or even 100 potentially. But you are bloody misinformed
the ps1 was $300, the ps2 was $300, like all things eventually the ps3 would become more expensive regardless if it had a blu ray drive. everything rises in cost not just technology, just looke at the rise of car, food or gas prices from the past 20 years. the next generation of consoles will also be more expensive and people will bash on it then too. Flame1
Then why is the PS3 the only console to have a price tag beyond a normal this gen gaming console? It's sony's fault for the high price, not the economy's.
[QUOTE="bluebrad1974"][QUOTE="ChimTheGrim21"][QUOTE="bluebrad1974"][QUOTE="yuna707"][QUOTE="bluebrad1974"]I really can't see how Sony's actions with blu-ray don't disgust all gamers. If Sony would have had gamers in mind, if they would have used a standard DVD drive we could have all bought a premium PS3 for $300.yuna707
... Ps3 is 800-840 USD. Blu ray is 125 USD. More than likely blu ray does not affect prices. That is the dumbest thing that I have seen all day. Yes, I agree. How can you try to argue that Blu-ray does not raise the cost of the unit? Blu-ray is the main reason people have to pay $600 for a PS3. Also, if Sony didnt choose Blu-ray they could afford to lower the cost to $400 or $300 for gamers to get the system. This would also make microsoft lower their costs. In all, Sony hurt gamers and themselves with the PS3. Just get a Wii--I know I will. Yuna must be one of those people that think the PS3 comes with a free blu-ray player. WHETHER OR NOT BLU RAY IS IN THE PS3 IT SELLS FOR A SIGNIFICANT LOSS. you are one of those naivetes who like to blame blu ray. The machine is so bloated, it would sell for around 150 USD loss without blu-ray... I doubt Sony would drop the price at a 725 USD cost... Maybe 50, or even 100 potentially. But you are bloody misinformed If blu-ray costs $125, then why are retail players selling for $600-$1000? I don't know where your getting your information, but you can rest assured that the reason the PS3 is $600 is because of the blu-ray player.
[QUOTE="Flame1"]the ps1 was $300, the ps2 was $300, like all things eventually the ps3 would become more expensive regardless if it had a blu ray drive. everything rises in cost not just technology, just looke at the rise of car, food or gas prices from the past 20 years. the next generation of consoles will also be more expensive and people will bash on it then too. KrazyKenKutarag
Then why is the PS3 the only console to have a price tag beyond a normal this gen gaming console? It's sony's fault for the high price, not the economy's. who determines what is a"normal this gen gaming console" price? nintendo is going off doing their own unique thing but the price isnt that much more than the 360, not to mention it has more features overall: more hard drive, internet, hdmi, all the imputs, wireless connectivity, and of course the infamous blu ray. imho some of these features making it a better gaming machine: the larger hard drive, the built in wireless internet; while other features are just added perks.
[QUOTE="KrazyKenKutarag"][QUOTE="Flame1"]the ps1 was $300, the ps2 was $300, like all things eventually the ps3 would become more expensive regardless if it had a blu ray drive. everything rises in cost not just technology, just looke at the rise of car, food or gas prices from the past 20 years. the next generation of consoles will also be more expensive and people will bash on it then too. Flame1
Then why is the PS3 the only console to have a price tag beyond a normal this gen gaming console? It's sony's fault for the high price, not the economy's. who determines what is a"normal this gen gaming console" price? nintendo is going off doing their own unique thing but the price isnt that much more than the 360, not to mention it has more features overall: more hard drive, internet, hdmi, all the imputs, wireless connectivity, and of course the infamous blu ray. imho some of these features making it a better gaming machine: the larger hard drive, the built in wireless internet; while other features are just added perks.
there is a limit to most gamers on how much they want to spend for their console, even the 360 is expensive, but the PS3 is rediculouse. most of the features were unnecissary for a gaming console, they focaused too much on multi-media and not enough on he actual games. They're turning the PS3 into a mutimedia centre, not a gaiming machine. They bearly have any good exclusive games as it is.
i wonder who the 4 ppl who voted games are lol...a blind man can see the ps3 was rushed to push blue ray..well it worked sony now start making some dam games!!!!
[QUOTE="Flame1"][QUOTE="KrazyKenKutarag"][QUOTE="Flame1"]the ps1 was $300, the ps2 was $300, like all things eventually the ps3 would become more expensive regardless if it had a blu ray drive. everything rises in cost not just technology, just looke at the rise of car, food or gas prices from the past 20 years. the next generation of consoles will also be more expensive and people will bash on it then too. KrazyKenKutarag
Then why is the PS3 the only console to have a price tag beyond a normal this gen gaming console? It's sony's fault for the high price, not the economy's. who determines what is a"normal this gen gaming console" price? nintendo is going off doing their own unique thing but the price isnt that much more than the 360, not to mention it has more features overall: more hard drive, internet, hdmi, all the imputs, wireless connectivity, and of course the infamous blu ray. imho some of these features making it a better gaming machine: the larger hard drive, the built in wireless internet; while other features are just added perks.
there is a limit to most gamers on how much they want to spend for their console, even the 360 is expensive, but the PS3 is rediculouse. most of the features were unnecissary for a gaming console, they focaused too much on multi-media and not enough on he actual games. They're turning the PS3 into a mutimedia centre, not a gaiming machine. They bearly have any good exclusive games as it is. expanding into as many new entertainment areas is nothing new. the 360 is going to have iptv pretty soon, a feature that would require you to sign up for one of those deals where you get your cable/internet/phone service all from one company. right now only at&t will offer it and this is a company that originally only provided phone service. only nintendo is holding off on the multimedia features and it still has the pic viewer, internet, and ect. in the next gen consoles you will probably be able to do all sorts of things you never thought would be included in a gaming system.
[QUOTE="Boba_Fett_3710"][QUOTE="daveg1"]they are in it for the money the same as any other company....dont go beleiving they care about the customer!bluebrad1974
No, but they should care about consumers. They should give the consumer what they think the consumer wants instead of telling them what they are going to give them. Sony knew that if they didn't force gamers to buy a blu-ray player, then no one would have bought one. And that would have killed the mountain of kickbacks that their TV, stereo, and motion pictures divisions are currently getting because of the PS3. If they were that desperate to sell blue ray, than they should have sold a PS3 that used standard dvds as a gaming format and a blu ray add-on (like 360's HDDVD add on) for HD capabilities for movies. They then would release games on regular DVDs but the highly anticipated titles on Blu-ray (meaning, they would need the extra blu-ray player). Sure it's dirty, but nothing Sony wouldn't do anyways. If they did it this way, they would have sold more systems, more games and more blu-ray.
blu ray. but hopefully the games will rock, and the developers main focus is making games.danneswegman
I feel sorry for them. Having to make videogames with a CPU (Cell) that was designed around streaming HD movies instead of being solely designed with games in mind.
[QUOTE="danneswegman"]blu ray. but hopefully the games will rock, and the developers main focus is making games.bluebrad1974
I feel sorry for them. Having to make videogames with a CPU (Cell) that was designed around streaming HD movies instead of being solely designed with games in mind. for a system that has an inferior cpu that isnt made for gaming or whatever the upcoming games still look pretty good and the current ones are comparable to a system thats had a yearlong headstart.
[QUOTE="bluebrad1974"][QUOTE="danneswegman"]blu ray. but hopefully the games will rock, and the developers main focus is making games.Flame1
I feel sorry for them. Having to make videogames with a CPU (Cell) that was designed around streaming HD movies instead of being solely designed with games in mind. for a system that has an inferior cpu that isnt made for gaming or whatever the upcoming games still look pretty good and the current ones are comparable to a system thats had a yearlong headstart. There are 360 launch games that look better than anything on the PS3.
I think the PS3 was meant to help kickstart blu-ray but the PS3 is not meant to be a blu-ray player. A year from now we will probably have $400 or maybe even $300 blu-ray players. Do you really think Sony was making a console to only last a year and a half? It was a two way plan in my opinion. At first use the PS3 to help blu-ray win and in the future use blu-ray to help the PS3 win.
Blue ray is there to help gaming it is for gaming as well as for movies.
Gaming is Sony's main focus otherwise they would have incorporated Blue-ray technology to making gaming bigger and better.
nice try 360 fanboys but you fail at ownage
AB_Uppercut
Nice try at damage control.
Blu-ray isn't being used to improve gaming whatsoever. The extra space of blu-ray discs is being used for region free coding, and game data is being copied numerous times throughout the disc to cut down on load times.
Blue ray is there to help gaming it is for gaming as well as for movies.
Gaming is Sony's main focus otherwise they would have incorporated Blue-ray technology to making gaming bigger and better.
nice try 360 fanboys but you fail at ownage
bluebrad1974
Nice try at damage control.
Blu-ray isn't being used to improve gaming whatsoever. The extra space of blu-ray discs is being used for region free coding, and game data is being copied numerous times throughout the disc to cut down on load times.
Hideo Kojima says differently. Do you know more then him about game development and how Blu-ray is being used on the PS3?
obviously the blu-ray player was the most important thing for sony...they're using the gaming machine as a trojan horse to push their in-house developed HD format
Blue ray is there to help gaming it is for gaming as well as for movies.
Gaming is Sony's main focus otherwise they would have incorporated Blue-ray technology to making gaming bigger and better.
nice try 360 fanboys but you fail at ownage
echelon
Nice try at damage control.
Blu-ray isn't being used to improve gaming whatsoever. The extra space of blu-ray discs is being used for region free coding, and game data is being copied numerous times throughout the disc to cut down on load times.
Hideo Kojima says differently. Do you know more then him about game development and how Blu-ray is being used on the PS3? ppl will say a lot when they have a financial incentive.
Blue ray is there to help gaming it is for gaming as well as for movies.
Gaming is Sony's main focus otherwise they would have incorporated Blue-ray technology to making gaming bigger and better.
nice try 360 fanboys but you fail at ownage
Ontain
Nice try at damage control.
Blu-ray isn't being used to improve gaming whatsoever. The extra space of blu-ray discs is being used for region free coding, and game data is being copied numerous times throughout the disc to cut down on load times.
Hideo Kojima says differently. Do you know more then him about game development and how Blu-ray is being used on the PS3? ppl will say a lot when they have a financial incentive. Thats true but people also say the opposite alot when they hate the company that developed it and uses it.
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