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#1 wiiguyftw
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LOL how many hyped games can fail so badly on one system heavenly sword, Haze, Lair, warhawk have all failed and i wouldent be suprised to see little big planet and killzone 2 go down the same path, but not MGS4 though that game looks amazing!!!! anyway dont be fooled by my username, i own a psp and ps2 and i love them, but i must say i think its looking very bad for sony
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#2 deactivated-5f4694ac412a8
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I hate to be a jerk... Who am I kidding? Yes, I do!

It seems like every single PS3 exclusive has flopped in one way or another. That doesn't necesarrily mean that they are all bad, but I can't think of one that lived up to the hype.

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#3 mingo123
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all that coming from a wii fanboy lulz
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#4 Lab392
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I hate to be a jerk... Who am I kidding? Yes, I do!

It seems like every single PS3 exclusive has flopped in one way or another. That doesn't necesarrily mean that they are all bad, but I can't think of one that lived up to the hype.

DeathScape666

Uncharted, Warhawk, Folklore, Ninja Gaiden: Sigma for starters.

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#5 Kahuna_1
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What the hell is every topic today relating to the same thing...and how did Warhawk fail? Yeah thats what I thought.
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#6 wraigth
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warhawk didn't fail
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#7 -GhostMLD-
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i respect your opinion. maybe if SW keeps up with this anti PS3 threads enough, some may loose hope and sell their PS3's.
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#8 GKinnel
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Warhawk failed? You surE?
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#9 -GhostMLD-
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warhawk didn't failwraigth

it bombed in sales

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#10 dewmandew7
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Warhawk failed? :? 8.5 is definitely NOT a fail. Heavenly Sword got 8.0 as well. That's not fail.
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#11 gesi1223
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I feel kind of dirty for loving Nintendo, because of the thread creator. :(

Btw, Haze sucked.

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#12 Lab392
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[QUOTE="wraigth"]warhawk didn't fail-GhostMLD-

it bombed in sales

Sales that didn't include the online downloads.

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[QUOTE="wraigth"]warhawk didn't fail-GhostMLD-

it bombed in sales

So now sales magically are what matter again?
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#14 wraigth
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[QUOTE="wraigth"]warhawk didn't fail-GhostMLD-

it bombed in sales

it still didn't fail, it sold alot, considering it's multi-player only.

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#15 linkin_guy109
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gotta love how all of the anti sony fans are out in full force after haze, seriously it was delayed what like 2 or 3 times? most of the hype died down for this game long ago, the only reason its being used as supposed "ownage" is because a few people forgot to take it off of there ps3 hype lists, its really sad when this is the only type of ownage that can be found atm
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#17 -GhostMLD-
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[QUOTE="-GhostMLD-"]

[QUOTE="wraigth"]warhawk didn't failnervmeister

it bombed in sales

So now sales magically are what matter again?

how can you tell the popularity/desirability of a game? see the sales.

Warhawk is clocked at about 300k. For a hyped exclusive, it failed. It was expected to break a million.

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#18 carljohnson3456
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I hate to be a jerk... Who am I kidding? Yes, I do!

It seems like every single PS3 exclusive has flopped in one way or another. That doesn't necesarrily mean that they are all bad, but I can't think of one that lived up to the hype.

DeathScape666

Did you mean... "I hate to be a jerk... Who am I kidding? No I dont!"

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#19 deactivated-5f4694ac412a8
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[QUOTE="DeathScape666"]

I hate to be a jerk... Who am I kidding? Yes, I do!

It seems like every single PS3 exclusive has flopped in one way or another. That doesn't necesarrily mean that they are all bad, but I can't think of one that lived up to the hype.

carljohnson3456

Did you mean... "I hate to be a jerk... Who am I kidding? No I dont!"

Yeah. I'm stupid. ;)

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#20 carljohnson3456
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[QUOTE="nervmeister"][QUOTE="-GhostMLD-"]

[QUOTE="wraigth"]warhawk didn't fail-GhostMLD-

it bombed in sales

So now sales magically are what matter again?

how can you tell the popularity/desirability of a game? see the sales.

Warhawk is clocked at about 300k. For a hyped exclusive, it failed. It was expected to break a million.

Those sells dont count how many people downloaded it from the PSN.

And Warhawk is always booming with people, it's hardly a failure.

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Who hyped haze? I think we all knew it was a fail in the making. i though at least the story seemed good, but apparently not.

now there ARE games worth hyping:

SOCOM confrontation, LBP (despite what you say GS and IGN both loved it), Resistance 2, Moterstorm 2, Killzone 2 (so far GS like it and IGN love it), Tekken 6, FF and so on.

then there are the multiplats, I want tom clancys endwar.

dont feel srry for ps3 fanboys about games! I think they have enough of those!

And warhawk is a flop? Played it about half an hour ago, still seems good to me.

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#22 carljohnson3456
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[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"][QUOTE="DeathScape666"]

I hate to be a jerk... Who am I kidding? Yes, I do!

It seems like every single PS3 exclusive has flopped in one way or another. That doesn't necesarrily mean that they are all bad, but I can't think of one that lived up to the hype.

DeathScape666

Did you mean... "I hate to be a jerk... Who am I kidding? No I dont!"

Yeah. I'm stupid. ;)

It's ok, it was funny anyway. lol.

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#23 dewmandew7
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I don't think the 300k count the sales on the Playstation Store, which I'm pretty sure are substantial.
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#24 NinjaMunkey01
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[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"][QUOTE="DeathScape666"]

I hate to be a jerk... Who am I kidding? Yes, I do!

It seems like every single PS3 exclusive has flopped in one way or another. That doesn't necesarrily mean that they are all bad, but I can't think of one that lived up to the hype.

DeathScape666

Did you mean... "I hate to be a jerk... Who am I kidding? No I dont!"

Yeah. I'm stupid. ;)

thats ok, the first step is admitting the problem. :P

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So if they don't make AAAE they're flops? That seems to be the basic idea TC is conveying here. I'll give you Lair, Killzone, and Haze. All three were hyped as killer apps and all three flopped. But really when you look at it, just as many games have "flopped" on the 360.

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So if they don't make AAAE they're flops? That seems to be the basic idea TC is conveying here. I'll give you Lair, Killzone, and Haze. All three were hyped as killer apps and all three flopped. But really when you look at it, just as many games have "flopped" on the 360.

Lionheart08

...ya know though, I actually liked Lair. The controls werent the problem, it was the freaking direction of the game... sometimes you had to play a level 2 or 3 times to figure out what you're supposed to do... other than that though, I thought it was pretty good.

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#27 NinjaMunkey01
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[QUOTE="Lionheart08"]

So if they don't make AAAE they're flops? That seems to be the basic idea TC is conveying here. I'll give you Lair, Killzone, and Haze. All three were hyped as killer apps and all three flopped. But really when you look at it, just as many games have "flopped" on the 360.

carljohnson3456

...ya know though, I actually liked Lair. The controls werent the problem, it was the freaking direction of the game... sometimes you had to play a level 2 or 3 times to figure out what you're supposed to do... other than that though, I thought it was pretty good.

aparently the reviewers did not like the controls. but an update fixed that not long after. they shoudl have reviewed it again.

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#28 carljohnson3456
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[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"][QUOTE="Lionheart08"]

So if they don't make AAAE they're flops? That seems to be the basic idea TC is conveying here. I'll give you Lair, Killzone, and Haze. All three were hyped as killer apps and all three flopped. But really when you look at it, just as many games have "flopped" on the 360.

NinjaMunkey01

...ya know though, I actually liked Lair. The controls werent the problem, it was the freaking direction of the game... sometimes you had to play a level 2 or 3 times to figure out what you're supposed to do... other than that though, I thought it was pretty good.

aparently the reviewers did not like the controls. but an update fixed that not long after. they shoudl have reviewed it again.

The analog stick control patch? I hated it man. For one, it was a sloppy patch, and seemed completely half arsed. And two, I found my self using the analog control and tilting the control to steer, lol. The motion control was pretty spot on, I dont see wtf the reviewers were thinking when they said the motion controls were the problem. The problem was sometimes the missions werent clear. At least, that's the only problem I had.

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[QUOTE="nervmeister"][QUOTE="-GhostMLD-"]

[QUOTE="wraigth"]warhawk didn't fail-GhostMLD-

it bombed in sales

So now sales magically are what matter again?

how can you tell the popularity/desirability of a game? see the sales.

Warhawk is clocked at about 300k. For a hyped exclusive, it failed. It was expected to break a million.

So what you're saying is Ninja Gaiden is a failure as well as Ninja Gaiden 2 most likely right?

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#30 Sgt_Crow
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all that coming from a wii fanboy lulzmingo123

Lulz because Nintendo's main franchises all scoring above an 8,5 and one even happens to be GOTY 2007 you lulz the OP for being a Wii fanboy?

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#31 shoeman12
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i know. a year and a half and still no AAAE. how sad for the cows.
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[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"][QUOTE="Lionheart08"]

So if they don't make AAAE they're flops? That seems to be the basic idea TC is conveying here. I'll give you Lair, Killzone, and Haze. All three were hyped as killer apps and all three flopped. But really when you look at it, just as many games have "flopped" on the 360.

NinjaMunkey01

...ya know though, I actually liked Lair. The controls werent the problem, it was the freaking direction of the game... sometimes you had to play a level 2 or 3 times to figure out what you're supposed to do... other than that though, I thought it was pretty good.

aparently the reviewers did not like the controls. but an update fixed that not long after. they shoudl have reviewed it again.

They did go back to the LAIR review after the patch...Here it is ..

Author's note: We'll be using the Under Review blog for a variety of purposes. One of them will be to revisit games once downloadable content is released, whether that content is a patch, an update, an additional feature, or other sundries. We recognize that games can change once these updates are released, sometimes in substantial ways, and we are looking for ways to communicate those changes to our readers.

Our policy regarding reviews remains the same; that is, we will not change review scores based on updates made to games after their release. Reviews provide a snapshot of a game as it existed when the review was written, and we cannot consistently revisit every game based on patches, tweaks, and added content. Nor will we be giving add-on content a score in the traditional sense. Consider the information we cover here to be an adjunct to the original review.

Revisited will be an ongoing column in Under Review, and we are seeking to improve how the content we cover here will be more accessible to readers who may be interested in those changes but may not stumble upon the column. In the meanwhile, if you know of a game that has been drastically altered by downloadable content, send an email to me at kevinv@gamespot.com, and make sure the word "revisited" is somewhere in your topic title. While we won't be able to make a second visit to every game you suggest, we'll use your suggestions to help determine which updates get featured here. I look forward to hearing from you! And now, onto our first Revisited.

Eight months and 256 MB of data add minor control improvements, but can't rescue Lair from the fiery abyss.

Lair was released last August to quite the critical drubbing. Towards the top of our long list of problems with the game were the horribly implemented Sixaxis controls, which made flying the game's impressive-looking dragons a nightmare of epic proportions--a sad circumstance indeed in a game that should have been epic for different reasons. This week, Sony released an update for the game, which added in analog flight options and a couple of extra dragons. We spent a good amount of time with Lair after downloading the hefty 256 MB update, and while we're happy to announce that analog controls have somewhat improved the experience, they haven't dramatically altered the game's awkwardness.

There's no question that flying your dragon is generally easier using the left analog stick, rather than steering with the controller. You can also now use the d-pad to perform a 180-degree turn, as well as to perform a dash, actions previously performed exclusively with motion controls. There's also the added option of a targeting reticle, which helps you target enemies should you want to spew flames at your winged foes in free flight. The reticle isn't always a welcome addition though, since it makes it difficult to see when the red lock-on circle has appeared on your opponents. If for some reason you are a glutton for punishment, the old control system is mostly intact, so you can access the new rides without sacrificing motion controls. However, the option to dash using motion controls has been completely removed. The end result is that jerking upwards to do a full about-face is easier to pull off. And that's good news.

As you would suppose, the new controls make general flight less cumbersome. However, ramming foes in mid flight is still performed exclusively with a jerk of the controller, though this move was arguably one of the more clumsy ones. Yet even if you delegate flight controls to the analog stick, Lair's other glaring problems are as noticeable as ever. The camera's fancy cinematic moves still get in the way; collision detection is crazy; locking onto enemies is still a messy endeavor; the waypoint system is still wildly inconsistent; and mission objectives are as confusing as before. And if you can imagine, there are new problems. For example, several tutorial pop-ups flashed for a split second and disappeared before we could ever read them, and the about-face hint teaches you to use the motion controls without mentioning that there is an analog equivalent (unless that was mentioned in one of the disappearing hints). And the option to tilt the camera by tilting the controller while engaged in ground combat, while proudly announced by a tutorial pop-up, is still non-existent.

The new winged lizards are interesting, particularly the speedy wind dragon, which sports a flexible neck that's intriguing to watch flail about when you engage troops on the ground. There's also a secret ride to unlock, though we'd rather not reveal the specifics of that peculiar surprise; Some Rogue Squadron fans may have an idea of what it is.

Lair is, at its core, the same game it always was. It's still pretty, it's still gawky and uncomfortable to play, and it's still shallow. If you were hoping the update would revolutionize the game, you'll be sorely disappointed. In actuality, the tweaked controls make it easier to notice a variety of other fundamental flaws. It's easier to fly around once you apply the update, but simpler maneuverability doesn't make Lair a good game.