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#1  Edited By daredevils2k
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I feel that a lot of us is wondering why MS wants a Horizon Zero Dawn like game of their own. I understand that Horizon Zero Dawn is an awesome game and that I'm glad Sony took a chance on a new IP that has paid off, but wanting to rip off Sony New IP and admitting too it isn't very smart.

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#2 lrdfancypants
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Everybody says the need more SP focused games.

Maybe they're listening. How can it be a bad thing to make a similar game?

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#4 deactivated-5eb6f92daae05
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Almost every game takes or borrows elements from other games...lol. I mean look at Grand Theft Auto...

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#5  Edited By Tigerbalm
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It's one thing to take and borrow, but quite another to copy and paste because you lack talent and vision.

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#6 kvally
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@daredevils2k: probably the same reason Sony copies MS.

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Saying "we want a person to make a tribal game aesthetically" or something would be one thing, they said "we want to make horizon zero dawn, plz make me horizon zero dawn, we want a horizon zero dawn game, plz make it"

That's the issue.

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#8 carlquincy
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Seriously doubt it will be a carbon copy.

Anyway , as long as its a good game, no issues from me.

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#9  Edited By PutASpongeOn
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They want pretty much a carbon copy, that's why they asked for a carbon copy.

Inb4 discount horizon zero dawn called: Zero: Sunset Dawn

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people bitch because MS doesn't make enough single player new IPs and then endlessly bitch when they want to make a single player new IP

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#11 Ross_the_Boss6
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We don't even know what the game is or how similar it is. Are we supposed to believe Sony didn't want to duplicate Halo's success?

Dumbest thread ever.

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@mems_1224 said:

people bitch because MS doesn't make enough single player new IPs and then endlessly bitch when they want to make a single player new IP

As much as i hate listening to these two idiots..they're not wrong. Its a terrible idea to tell your fanbase that your developing a game thats similar to your rival's game. It makes it appear they have no ideas what so ever. Now whenever this game gets revealed its going to be criticized for being a rippoff when for all we know its been in development for years

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#13  Edited By xantufrog  Moderator
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I think this is a mountain out of a mole hill. It's not like HZD was the first to do what it does by any stretch of the imagine. It just did a good job combining the right game features. MS probably referred to HZD because it's the most current, high profile example of the TYPE of game they want. They could have invoked any number of predecessors to give a general idea of what type of thing they want built if HZD didn't exist

*edit* one might argue their general interest in that type of game was encouraged by the warm reception for HZD, but there's nothing wrong with that... that only shows that we as consumers are helping steer development efforts to things we like to play

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@lawlessx said:
@mems_1224 said:

people bitch because MS doesn't make enough single player new IPs and then endlessly bitch when they want to make a single player new IP

As much as i hate listening to these two idiots..they're not wrong. Its a terrible idea to tell your fanbase that your developing a game thats similar to your rival's game. It makes it appear they have no ideas what so ever. Now whenever this game gets revealed its going to be criticized for being a rippoff when for all we know its been in development for years

If they are only hiring people for roles like this, it's probably only starting development now post horizon zero dawn.

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#15  Edited By PutASpongeOn
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@mems_1224 said:

people bitch because MS doesn't make enough single player new IPs and then endlessly bitch when they want to make a single player new IP

I mean Quantum Break deserved it's 6/10's, it was a pretty horrendous game and Recore was pretty mediocre too.

They need good single player games games, not just "single player games"

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MS: "We've been copying Sony all these years, we might as well start admitting it. Since we've already lost this gen, we have nothing to lose, right?"

Seriously. What the hell is going on with this company. It's like they want to fail.

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@reduc_ab_ said:

MS: "We've been copying Sony all these years, we might as well start admitting it. Since we've already lost this gen, we have nothing to lose, right?"

Seriously. What the hell is going on with this company. It's like they want to fail.

^ ^ This.

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@lawlessx: it's not like Horizon has many original ideas, if any

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@quadknight said:
@reduc_ab_ said:

MS: "We've been copying Sony all these years, we might as well start admitting it. Since we've already lost this gen, we have nothing to lose, right?"

Seriously. What the hell is going on with this company. It's like they want to fail.

^ ^ This.

Lmao... the delusional twins in full force.

First of all we have no idea what game this is, it's a rumour ffs. Secondly, you honestly think Sony has never copied ideas off others. Where do you think the idea of trophies came from?

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@xantufrog said:

I think this is a mountain out of a mole hill. It's not like HZD was the first to do what it does by any stretch of the imagine. It just did a good job combining the right game features. MS probably referred to HZD because it's the most current, high profile example of the TYPE of game they want. They could have invoked any number of predecessors to give a general idea of what type of thing they want built if HZD didn't exist

*edit* one might argue their general interest in that type of game was encouraged by the warm reception for HZD, but there's nothing wrong with that... that only shows that we as consumers are helping steer development efforts to things we like to play

Watch the video before you start running your mouth, literally what you said has nothing to do with their issue.

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#21  Edited By QuadKnight
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@hrt_rulz01:

"? LAWL, we don't need teh movie gamez!!1"

MS is making a Horizon Zero Dawn clone

"? Everyone copies!! Movie gamez are okay as longs as it's M$!!1"

- Lems 2017

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#22 HitmanActual
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I hope it's different to Horizon. I still haven't even finished it yet, got kind of repetitive and got to the point I just lost interest.

Hopefully MS bring something new to the table, and something that will take advantage of the Xbox One X.

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#23 PutASpongeOn
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@hrt_rulz01 said:
@quadknight said:
@reduc_ab_ said:

MS: "We've been copying Sony all these years, we might as well start admitting it. Since we've already lost this gen, we have nothing to lose, right?"

Seriously. What the hell is going on with this company. It's like they want to fail.

^ ^ This.

Lmao... the delusional twins in full force.

First of all we have no idea what game this is, it's a rumour ffs. Secondly, you honestly think Sony has never copied ideas off others. Where do you think the idea of trophies came from?

It's not a rumor*, it's a job listing.

Trophies and online are the only things microsoft has done and honestly both could be argued as bad things considering I know plenty of people with addictions for trophies who buy bad games for easy plats and who won't buy good games if they know they won't plat it, while online gaming can be fun sometimes but for the most part it's led into us having to pay subscriptions + is hurting quality single player games in favor of shitty ghost recon wildlands style games.

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#24  Edited By hrt_rulz01
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@putaspongeon said:
@hrt_rulz01 said:
@quadknight said:
@reduc_ab_ said:

MS: "We've been copying Sony all these years, we might as well start admitting it. Since we've already lost this gen, we have nothing to lose, right?"

Seriously. What the hell is going on with this company. It's like they want to fail.

^ ^ This.

Lmao... the delusional twins in full force.

First of all we have no idea what game this is, it's a rumour ffs. Secondly, you honestly think Sony has never copied ideas off others. Where do you think the idea of trophies came from?

It's not a rumor*, it's a job listing.

Trophies and online are the only things microsoft has done and honestly both could be argued as bad things considering I know plenty of people with addictions for trophies who buy bad games for easy plats and who won't buy good games if they know they won't plat it, while online gaming can be fun sometimes but for the most part it's led into us having to pay subscriptions + is hurting quality single player games in favor of shitty ghost recon wildlands style games.

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#25  Edited By xantufrog  Moderator
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@putaspongeon:

1) don't be so hostile

2) i was on mobile - my reply completely addressed the text in the OP. If I was so ridiculously off base responding to them, perhaps they should have gone into more discussion in the OP? Either way, that's for them to jump down my throat over. Jesus

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#26 PutASpongeOn
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@xantufrog said:

@putaspongeon:

1) don't be so hostile

2) i was on mobile - my reply completely addressed the text in the OP. If I was so ridiculously off base responding to them, perhaps they should have gone into more discussion in the OP? Either way, that's for them to jump down my throat over. Jesus

Responding without knowing the context of the thread, heh ;)

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@hrt_rulz01 said:
@putaspongeon said:
@hrt_rulz01 said:
@quadknight said:
@reduc_ab_ said:

MS: "We've been copying Sony all these years, we might as well start admitting it. Since we've already lost this gen, we have nothing to lose, right?"

Seriously. What the hell is going on with this company. It's like they want to fail.

^ ^ This.

Lmao... the delusional twins in full force.

First of all we have no idea what game this is, it's a rumour ffs. Secondly, you honestly think Sony has never copied ideas off others. Where do you think the idea of trophies came from?

It's not a rumor*, it's a job listing.

Trophies and online are the only things microsoft has done and honestly both could be argued as bad things considering I know plenty of people with addictions for trophies who buy bad games for easy plats and who won't buy good games if they know they won't plat it, while online gaming can be fun sometimes but for the most part it's led into us having to pay subscriptions + is hurting quality single player games in favor of shitty ghost recon wildlands style games.

Sorry you're on the losing team.

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#28 lifelessablaze
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I don't understand why MS wants to copy such a mediocre game world like in HZD. Everything in that world is static and non-interactive. I mean, what gen is this again, Sony?

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#29  Edited By hrt_rulz01
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@putaspongeon: Lol what team? They're plastic boxes. Get a life dude.

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#30 PinkAnimal
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The whole gen has been a testament to Microsoft's lack of imagination and talent.

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@hrt_rulz01 said:

@putaspongeon: Lol what team? They're plastic boxes. Get a life dude.

The 250-500 dollars you spent on that piece of plastic that you aren't getting back.

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@putaspongeon: Don't want it back... I'm more than happy with my plastic box.

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@putaspongeon said:
@mems_1224 said:

people bitch because MS doesn't make enough single player new IPs and then endlessly bitch when they want to make a single player new IP

I mean Quantum Break deserved it's 6/10's, it was a pretty horrendous game and Recore was pretty mediocre too.

They need good single player games games, not just "single player games"

I played both Recore and Horizon Zero Dawn, I enjoyed both, Recore never got boring were HZD did. I don't get were people think HZD is a new type of game I have played several games like it, the only different is HZD is a little more open world because of the newer hardware.

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#34  Edited By PutASpongeOn
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@rrjim1 said:
@putaspongeon said:
@mems_1224 said:

people bitch because MS doesn't make enough single player new IPs and then endlessly bitch when they want to make a single player new IP

I mean Quantum Break deserved it's 6/10's, it was a pretty horrendous game and Recore was pretty mediocre too.

They need good single player games games, not just "single player games"

I played both Recore and Horizon Zero Dawn, I enjoyed both, Recore never got boring were HZD did. I don't get were people think HZD is a new type of game I have played several games like it, the only different is HZD is a little more open world because of the newer hardware.

Recore is a shorter linear experience, HZD is a big open world.

Either way HZD isn't my favorite game but it's fun still, I'd say Horizon Zero Dawn is a monster hunter style game that's also an rpg with also a heavy emphasis on stealth and human enemies too.

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@putaspongeon said:
@rrjim1 said:
@putaspongeon said:
@mems_1224 said:

people bitch because MS doesn't make enough single player new IPs and then endlessly bitch when they want to make a single player new IP

I mean Quantum Break deserved it's 6/10's, it was a pretty horrendous game and Recore was pretty mediocre too.

They need good single player games games, not just "single player games"

I played both Recore and Horizon Zero Dawn, I enjoyed both, Recore never got boring were HZD did. I don't get were people think HZD is a new type of game I have played several games like it, the only different is HZD is a little more open world because of the newer hardware.

Recore is a shorter linear experience, HZD is a big open world.

Either way HZD isn't my favorite game but it's fun still, I'd say Horizon Zero Dawn is a monster hunter style game that's also an rpg with also a heavy emphasis on stealth and human enemies too.

lol its a fucking far cry game with some very, very casual monster hunter elements. it also has some of the worst human AI i've seen in a game in a long time

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#36  Edited By ronvalencia
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@daredevils2k said:

I feel that a lot of us is wondering why MS wants a Horizon Zero Dawn like game of their own. I understand that Horizon Zero Dawn is an awesome game and that I'm glad Sony took a chance on a new IP that has paid off, but wanting to rip off Sony New IP and admitting too it isn't very smart.

Did you forget Microsoft assimilates somebody's technological and business model distinctiveness?

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#37 ronvalencia
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@putaspongeon said:
@rrjim1 said:
@putaspongeon said:
@mems_1224 said:

people bitch because MS doesn't make enough single player new IPs and then endlessly bitch when they want to make a single player new IP

I mean Quantum Break deserved it's 6/10's, it was a pretty horrendous game and Recore was pretty mediocre too.

They need good single player games games, not just "single player games"

I played both Recore and Horizon Zero Dawn, I enjoyed both, Recore never got boring were HZD did. I don't get were people think HZD is a new type of game I have played several games like it, the only different is HZD is a little more open world because of the newer hardware.

Recore is a shorter linear experience, HZD is a big open world.

Either way HZD isn't my favorite game but it's fun still, I'd say Horizon Zero Dawn is a monster hunter style game that's also an rpg with also a heavy emphasis on stealth and human enemies too.

ReCore's character needs to be merged with Forza Horzion 3's open world.

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#38 PutASpongeOn
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@mems_1224 said:
@putaspongeon said:
@rrjim1 said:
@putaspongeon said:
@mems_1224 said:

people bitch because MS doesn't make enough single player new IPs and then endlessly bitch when they want to make a single player new IP

I mean Quantum Break deserved it's 6/10's, it was a pretty horrendous game and Recore was pretty mediocre too.

They need good single player games games, not just "single player games"

I played both Recore and Horizon Zero Dawn, I enjoyed both, Recore never got boring were HZD did. I don't get were people think HZD is a new type of game I have played several games like it, the only different is HZD is a little more open world because of the newer hardware.

Recore is a shorter linear experience, HZD is a big open world.

Either way HZD isn't my favorite game but it's fun still, I'd say Horizon Zero Dawn is a monster hunter style game that's also an rpg with also a heavy emphasis on stealth and human enemies too.

lol its a fucking far cry game with some very, very casual monster hunter elements. it also has some of the worst human AI i've seen in a game in a long time

Sounds like you've not played any of those games.

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#39 PutASpongeOn
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@ronvalencia said:
@putaspongeon said:
@rrjim1 said:
@putaspongeon said:
@mems_1224 said:

people bitch because MS doesn't make enough single player new IPs and then endlessly bitch when they want to make a single player new IP

I mean Quantum Break deserved it's 6/10's, it was a pretty horrendous game and Recore was pretty mediocre too.

They need good single player games games, not just "single player games"

I played both Recore and Horizon Zero Dawn, I enjoyed both, Recore never got boring were HZD did. I don't get were people think HZD is a new type of game I have played several games like it, the only different is HZD is a little more open world because of the newer hardware.

Recore is a shorter linear experience, HZD is a big open world.

Either way HZD isn't my favorite game but it's fun still, I'd say Horizon Zero Dawn is a monster hunter style game that's also an rpg with also a heavy emphasis on stealth and human enemies too.

ReCore's character needs to be merged with Forza Horzion 3's open world.

Honestly recore has bad combat and it's super stiff.

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#40  Edited By deactivated-5a30e101a977c
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Do you think they are just going to copy it? Obviously they just meant a open-world story driven game that has something special. Like in the case of HZD robot dinosaurs you can hunt with an arrow... They don't mean just copy/pasting a game. That's ridiculous, and actually really dumb that you would think that's what they meant. Becasue that's how you attract developers: "No freedom in creativity, just copy/paste".

E3 really did a number on you cows

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Forza: Horizon Zero Creativity

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@putaspongeon said:
@ronvalencia said:
@putaspongeon said:
@rrjim1 said:
@putaspongeon said:

I mean Quantum Break deserved it's 6/10's, it was a pretty horrendous game and Recore was pretty mediocre too.

They need good single player games games, not just "single player games"

I played both Recore and Horizon Zero Dawn, I enjoyed both, Recore never got boring were HZD did. I don't get were people think HZD is a new type of game I have played several games like it, the only different is HZD is a little more open world because of the newer hardware.

Recore is a shorter linear experience, HZD is a big open world.

Either way HZD isn't my favorite game but it's fun still, I'd say Horizon Zero Dawn is a monster hunter style game that's also an rpg with also a heavy emphasis on stealth and human enemies too.

ReCore's character needs to be merged with Forza Horzion 3's open world.

Honestly recore has bad combat and it's super stiff.

Google "Forza Horizon human characters". ForzaTech already has human character support.

MS just needs outside Gears/Halo/Forza/Killer Instinct/Minecraft.

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Yeah it will be a duplicate but no issues, At any rate , the length of its a decent amusement,

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#44  Edited By deactivated-5a30e101a977c
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@putaspongeon said:
@hrt_rulz01 said:
@quadknight said:
@reduc_ab_ said:

MS: "We've been copying Sony all these years, we might as well start admitting it. Since we've already lost this gen, we have nothing to lose, right?"

Seriously. What the hell is going on with this company. It's like they want to fail.

^ ^ This.

Lmao... the delusional twins in full force.

First of all we have no idea what game this is, it's a rumour ffs. Secondly, you honestly think Sony has never copied ideas off others. Where do you think the idea of trophies came from?

It's not a rumor*, it's a job listing.

Trophies and online are the only things microsoft has done and honestly both could be argued as bad things considering I know plenty of people with addictions for trophies who buy bad games for easy plats and who won't buy good games if they know they won't plat it, while online gaming can be fun sometimes but for the most part it's led into us having to pay subscriptions + is hurting quality single player games in favor of shitty ghost recon wildlands style games.

Lol what? So Nintendo/Sony/Microsoft, and all other manufacturers are evil because some people are addicted to gaming? Dumbest post I've seen in a while.

Also the reason why there are so many multiplayer games is because more people are playing multiplayer games. It's all based on data. Developers don't just build a game when there's not a market for it. Not to say that there isn't a market for singleplayer games, but lately people have been enjoying multiplayer games that keep getting new content and aren't finished after 10 hours.

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#45 mems_1224
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@putaspongeon said:
@mems_1224 said:

lol its a fucking far cry game with some very, very casual monster hunter elements. it also has some of the worst human AI i've seen in a game in a long time

Sounds like you've not played any of those games.

Try again loser

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#46 deactivated-6092a2d005fba
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@mems_1224 said:
@putaspongeon said:
@mems_1224 said:

lol its a fucking far cry game with some very, very casual monster hunter elements. it also has some of the worst human AI i've seen in a game in a long time

Sounds like you've not played any of those games.

Try again loser

Well you just

his arse lol.

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#47 PutASpongeOn
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@i_p_daily said:
@mems_1224 said:
@putaspongeon said:
@mems_1224 said:

lol its a fucking far cry game with some very, very casual monster hunter elements. it also has some of the worst human AI i've seen in a game in a long time

Sounds like you've not played any of those games.

Try again loser

Well you just

his arse lol.

I meant Far Cry and Monster Hunter but now that you mention it, the fact that there is no specifying username and that's a super weird picture to post, it's kind of suspect.

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#48 Tigerbalm
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What new great AAAE has Phil's regime produced?

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#49 mems_1224
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@putaspongeon: i took the pic right before i posted it. look at the time numbnuts. Its 5am here

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#50  Edited By No_bo_dy_83
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So like Far Cry primal?

"xbox exclusive" --> it's going to be on Windows 10 PC as well.