PROOF: Consoles are now >>> then PC for FPS

http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/13602/Epic-UT3-is-Gears-on-Crack-Cover-is-for-Wimps/

Regarding the controls, Polge revealed that they are so good that half the people who work on the game prefer to play the Xbox 360 version. Furthermore, the guy responsible for the controls has stepped in playtest sessions, where everyone was on keyboards, and with a controller he kicked everyone's butt.

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I can't believe it myself.  I've prefered consoles for FPS because it's a more even playing field.  For the most part everyone has the same controller.  PC some have a fast response mouse and other's a crappy wireless roller ball with lint all over it. And some hardcore gamers have the fancy Keyboard with customized key layouts.

But now EPIC has given the console the consideration it deserves and has the controller as good/better than the keyboard mouse combo!

Now if they can just fix RTS games and I'll be good to go.

...Still waiting for the punchline...RurouniSaiyajin

what is that? 

You do really this is after EXCESSIVE gimpage of the PC controls right? They added all kinds of anti-aim and crap to that game.Vandalvideo

Link?  Interesting theory, but without a link...it's pure damage control.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]You do really this is after EXCESSIVE gimpage of the PC controls right? They added all kinds of anti-aim and crap to that game.mikasa

Link? Interesting theory, but without a link...it's pure damage control.

almost all console shooters have auto-aim.....Its pretty likely. 

Take away console's auto-aim then we can talk. Until then.....:lol:NerdMan

The tiny bit of auto-aim is necessary because an fps is much harder to play using a controller. Look at PDZ, it's the most frustrating game ever. Anyway, you pc owners are just as misinformed as console owners. Quit acting high all mighty all the time. 

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]You do really this is after EXCESSIVE gimpage of the PC controls right? They added all kinds of anti-aim and crap to that game.mikasa

Link?  Interesting theory, but without a link...it's pure damage control.

Take away console's auto-aim then we can talk.  Until then.....:lol:NerdMan

+1

Auto aim is for kiddies who dont know how to use a control stick properly. Try doing it manually in Goldeneye though, it wasnt exactly that easy to aim properly whereas with a keyboard and mouse it would be no problem to aim since you have unlimited aiming capabilities.

So half prefer the controller eh...what do the other half prefer then?The_One_White

You must have missed the last part of that short paragraph where the guy with the controller whipped everyone else with KBM controls.  So it's not a matter of prefernce rather what's better.

I assumed KBM would always beat controller (even though I prefer controller for comfort and fairness), but not anymore.

You do really this is after EXCESSIVE gimpage of the PC controls right? They added all kinds of anti-aim and crap to that game.Vandalvideo

They just don't understand...

If you break both the sprinter legs...who would win a 200 meter dash? An overweight, 12 year old or the sprinter with broken legs?

The overweight 12 year old...

Is that a fair comparision.? 

It's the same thing with the massive gimpage..their putting on PC controls. 

http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/13602/Epic-UT3-is-Gears-on-Crack-Cover-is-for-Wimps/

Regarding the controls, Polge revealed that they are so good that half the people who work on the game prefer to play the Xbox 360 version. Furthermore, the guy responsible for the controls has stepped in playtest sessions, where everyone was on keyboards, and with a controller he kicked everyone's butt.

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I can't believe it myself.  I've prefered consoles for FPS because it's a more even playing field.  For the most part everyone has the same controller.  PC some have a fast response mouse and other's a crappy wireless roller ball with lint all over it. And some hardcore gamers have the fancy Keyboard with customized key layouts.

But now EPIC has given the console the consideration it deserves and has the controller as good/better than the keyboard mouse combo!

Now if they can just fix RTS games and I'll be good to go.

mikasa

If thats the case then why did Epic confirm in the SAME article that the console version of UT3 is slower and has autoaim? Why isnt there cross-platform play?

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]You do really this is after EXCESSIVE gimpage of the PC controls right? They added all kinds of anti-aim and crap to that game.cobrax75

Link? Interesting theory, but without a link...it's pure damage control.

almost all console shooters have auto-aim.....Its pretty likely. 

Not the point of his comment.  He said they gimped the PC controls on purpose (in other word epic made the pc controls respond poorly to allow the console to compete).

ROFL go watch a Crysis video. PC FPS will ALWAYS be better than console FPS.Phanrang

[QUOTE="cobrax75"][QUOTE="mikasa"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]You do really this is after EXCESSIVE gimpage of the PC controls right? They added all kinds of anti-aim and crap to that game.mikasa

Link? Interesting theory, but without a link...it's pure damage control.

almost all console shooters have auto-aim.....Its pretty likely. 

Not the point of his comment.  He said they gimped the PC controls on purpose (in other word epic made the pc controls respond poorly to allow the console to compete).

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]You do really this is after EXCESSIVE gimpage of the PC controls right? They added all kinds of anti-aim and crap to that game.Vandalvideo

Link?  Interesting theory, but without a link...it's pure damage control.

Keep in mind this test apears to be PC vs. PC.  And they perfected the controller controls.  So are you saying they put auto-aim on the PC when using a controller?  And when using a KBM they downgrade the controls?

[QUOTE="mikasa"][QUOTE="cobrax75"][QUOTE="mikasa"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]You do really this is after EXCESSIVE gimpage of the PC controls right? They added all kinds of anti-aim and crap to that game.Vandalvideo

Link? Interesting theory, but without a link...it's pure damage control.

almost all console shooters have auto-aim.....Its pretty likely. 

Not the point of his comment.  He said they gimped the PC controls on purpose (in other word epic made the pc controls respond poorly to allow the console to compete).

I may be wrong, but the quote from Epic was PC vs. PC.  Just that the PC controller is better then KBM on the PC.  Which translates to consoles having the edge now since they all have controllers as std fair.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="mikasa"][QUOTE="cobrax75"][QUOTE="mikasa"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]You do really this is after EXCESSIVE gimpage of the PC controls right? They added all kinds of anti-aim and crap to that game.mikasa

Link? Interesting theory, but without a link...it's pure damage control.

almost all console shooters have auto-aim.....Its pretty likely. 

Not the point of his comment.  He said they gimped the PC controls on purpose (in other word epic made the pc controls respond poorly to allow the console to compete).

I may be wrong, but the quote from Epic was PC vs. PC.  Just that the PC controller is better then KBM on the PC.  Which translates to consoles having the edge now since they all have controllers as std fair.

That round about logic made no sense what so ever. You also don't know if it was console users during that test for the controller. The fact of the matter is that they gimped PC controls. End of story.Vandalvideo

So are you saying UT3 will have cross platform play? (I really don't know as I haven't followed this game too closely). If not, how did they compare the PC KBM vs. the console Controller?

To me the only logic conclusion is they put the 360 controller on the PC and competed.  And the PC WITH THE 360 CONTROLLER WON!!  So it's the same gimped controls as the KBM.

look at the source, teamxbox lol. im sorry man but i honestly dont care what they say, we all know KB/M is superior, maybe the ppl just suck at the game. but we all know the truth man, i hope they aint gimping this game like shadowrunMandingo101

So you're saying they lied about the quote?  The fact is it was EPIC saying it not teamxbox.  Teamxbox just reported it.  I understand dismissing fan sites, but when they quote multiplat devs...well you have to believe it unless that site is known to make up crap.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] That round about logic made no sense what so ever. You also don't know if it was console users during that test for the controller. The fact of the matter is that they gimped PC controls. End of story.mikasa

So are you saying UT3 will have cross platform play? If not, how did they compare the PC KBM vs. the console Controller?

To me the only logic conclusion is they put the 360 controller on the PC and competed. And the PC WITH THE 360 CONTROLLER WON!! So it's the same gimped controls as the KBM.

Think about what your saying..your making a joke out of yourself.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] That round about logic made no sense what so ever. You also don't know if it was console users during that test for the controller. The fact of the matter is that they gimped PC controls. End of story.mikasa

So are you saying UT3 will have cross platform play?  If not, how did they compare the PC KBM vs. the console Controller?

To me the only logic conclusion is they put the 360 controller on the PC and competed.  And the PC WITH THE 360 CONTROLLER WON!!  So it's the same gimped controls as the KBM.

[QUOTE="mikasa"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]You do really this is after EXCESSIVE gimpage of the PC controls right? They added all kinds of anti-aim and crap to that game.cobrax75

Link? Interesting theory, but without a link...it's pure damage control.

almost all console shooters have auto-aim.....Its pretty likely.

Actually , most console shooters don't have online auto aim, pretty much just halo2 and maybe a few others.

But everyone likes to think that since Halo2 had a slight auto aim assist, every game follows in its wake. 

You do really this is after EXCESSIVE gimpage of the PC controls right? They added all kinds of anti-aim and crap to that game.Vandalvideo

Link that the PC controls were gimped? I find that very hard to believe, there's no reason to do so. 

[QUOTE="Mandingo101"]look at the source, teamxbox lol. im sorry man but i honestly dont care what they say, we all know KB/M is superior, maybe the ppl just suck at the game. but we all know the truth man, i hope they aint gimping this game like shadowrunmikasa

So you're saying they lied about the quote? The fact is it was EPIC saying it not teamxbox. Teamxbox just reported it. I understand dismissing fan sites, but when they quote multiplat devs...well you have to believe it unless that site is known to make up crap.

The same EPIC that said PC Gaming is dying?

The same EPIC that said current top notch PC hardware wont max the game yet 360 will?

Yah .... clearly unbiased swimming in thier M$ love money. 

Really goes to show you how much they gimped the PC controls.purplemidgets

I like your sig. 

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[QUOTE="Mandingo101"]look at the source, teamxbox lol. im sorry man but i honestly dont care what they say, we all know KB/M is superior, maybe the ppl just suck at the game. but we all know the truth man, i hope they aint gimping this game like shadowrunMeu2k7

So you're saying they lied about the quote? The fact is it was EPIC saying it not teamxbox. Teamxbox just reported it. I understand dismissing fan sites, but when they quote multiplat devs...well you have to believe it unless that site is known to make up crap.

The same EPIC that said PC Gaming is dying?

The same EPIC that said current top notch PC hardware wont max the game yet 360 will?

Yah .... clearly unbiased swimming in thier M$ love money.

True. 

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] That round about logic made no sense what so ever. You also don't know if it was console users during that test for the controller. The fact of the matter is that they gimped PC controls. End of story.Vandalvideo

So are you saying UT3 will have cross platform play?  If not, how did they compare the PC KBM vs. the console Controller?

To me the only logic conclusion is they put the 360 controller on the PC and competed.  And the PC WITH THE 360 CONTROLLER WON!!  So it's the same gimped controls as the KBM.

Me thinks you need to read the article before posting again.  It's about UT3 NOT Shadowrun. If it's shadowrun, I must have missed the transition from UT3 to shadowrun...and rechecking I didn't see it.  So do me a favor and show me where this is Shadowrun and not UT3.

[QUOTE="Mandingo101"]look at the source, teamxbox lol. im sorry man but i honestly dont care what they say, we all know KB/M is superior, maybe the ppl just suck at the game. but we all know the truth man, i hope they aint gimping this game like shadowrunmikasa

So you're saying they lied about the quote?  The fact is it was EPIC saying it not teamxbox.  Teamxbox just reported it.  I understand dismissing fan sites, but when they quote multiplat devs...well you have to believe it unless that site is known to make up crap.

Please read the official forums.

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] That round about logic made no sense what so ever. You also don't know if it was console users during that test for the controller. The fact of the matter is that they gimped PC controls. End of story.projectpat2007

So are you saying UT3 will have cross platform play? If not, how did they compare the PC KBM vs. the console Controller?

To me the only logic conclusion is they put the 360 controller on the PC and competed. And the PC WITH THE 360 CONTROLLER WON!! So it's the same gimped controls as the KBM.

Think about what your saying..your making a joke out of yourself.

Did you read the article?  I personally haven't tested what EPIC is saying about UT3, so I'm not sure myself.  As I said in my first post I find it hard to believe, but taking them at their word this means controller/consoles are now > than PC KBM.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="mikasa"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] That round about logic made no sense what so ever. You also don't know if it was console users during that test for the controller. The fact of the matter is that they gimped PC controls. End of story.mikasa

So are you saying UT3 will have cross platform play?  If not, how did they compare the PC KBM vs. the console Controller?

To me the only logic conclusion is they put the 360 controller on the PC and competed.  And the PC WITH THE 360 CONTROLLER WON!!  So it's the same gimped controls as the KBM.

Me thinks you need to read the article before posting again.  It's about UT3 NOT Shadowrun. If it's shadowrun, I must have missed the transition from UT3 to shadowrun...and rechecking I didn't see it.  So do me a favor and post show me where this is Shadowrun and not UT3.

Well.........I thought I was in the shadowrun thread still. Anyway, theres no proof saying that they didn't take equal measures to attempt to balance out the controls just like the proof of concept of Shadowrun. Its illogical that a controller could EVER win against KBM if its fair. Its just not plausible There isn't enough DPI.Vandalvideo

As I said before I find it hard to believe, but if true console just leaped passed PCs for controls on FPS games.  Having said that, is UT3 a cross-platform game?  If not, how do you think they gimped the KBM and not the controller when it's on the same platform?  Do they do a hardware check and if it's a controller they add auto-aim and for KBM they add some gimpage stuff into it?

[QUOTE="mikasa"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="mikasa"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] That round about logic made no sense what so ever. You also don't know if it was console users during that test for the controller. The fact of the matter is that they gimped PC controls. End of story.Vandalvideo

So are you saying UT3 will have cross platform play? If not, how did they compare the PC KBM vs. the console Controller?

To me the only logic conclusion is they put the 360 controller on the PC and competed. And the PC WITH THE 360 CONTROLLER WON!! So it's the same gimped controls as the KBM.

Me thinks you need to read the article before posting again. It's about UT3 NOT Shadowrun. If it's shadowrun, I must have missed the transition from UT3 to shadowrun...and rechecking I didn't see it. So do me a favor and post show me where this is Shadowrun and not UT3.

Now that's just friggen classic. You make a false statement and when we ask for proof your response is "WELL THERE'S NO OFFICIAL STATEMENT SAYING THAT THEY DIDN'T DO IT!"

You're one of a kind, let me tell you. 

this is the same website that still lists Crysis as a 360 game.

http://games.teamxbox.com/xbox-360/1396/Crysis/ 

[QUOTE="projectpat2007"][QUOTE="mikasa"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] That round about logic made no sense what so ever. You also don't know if it was console users during that test for the controller. The fact of the matter is that they gimped PC controls. End of story.mikasa

So are you saying UT3 will have cross platform play? If not, how did they compare the PC KBM vs. the console Controller?

To me the only logic conclusion is they put the 360 controller on the PC and competed. And the PC WITH THE 360 CONTROLLER WON!! So it's the same gimped controls as the KBM.

Think about what your saying..your making a joke out of yourself.

Did you read the article? I personally haven't tested what EPIC is saying about UT3, so I'm not sure myself. As I said in my first post I find it hard to believe, but taking them at their word this means controller/consoles are now > than PC KBM.

well we shall see when all the ut2k4 KBM users start owning the people using the controller 

this is the same website that still lists Crysis as a 360 game.

 

http://games.teamxbox.com/xbox-360/1396/Crysis/

cobrax75

People will believe, anything..l:roll: 

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Well.........I thought I was in the shadowrun thread still. Anyway, theres no proof saying that they didn't take equal measures to attempt to balance out the controls just like the proof of concept of Shadowrun. Its illogical that a controller could EVER win against KBM if its fair. Its just not plausible There isn't enough DPI.mikasa

As I said before I find it hard to believe, but if true console just leaped passed PCs for controls on FPS games.  Having said that, is UT3 a cross-platform game?  If not, how do you think they gimped the KBM and not the controller when it's on the same platform?  Do they do a hardware check and if it's a controller they add auto-aim and for KBM they add some gimpage stuff into it?

[QUOTE="mikasa"]

[QUOTE="Mandingo101"]look at the source, teamxbox lol. im sorry man but i honestly dont care what they say, we all know KB/M is superior, maybe the ppl just suck at the game. but we all know the truth man, i hope they aint gimping this game like shadowrunZero_Fate_

So you're saying they lied about the quote?  The fact is it was EPIC saying it not teamxbox.  Teamxbox just reported it.  I understand dismissing fan sites, but when they quote multiplat devs...well you have to believe it unless that site is known to make up crap.

Please read the official forums.

uh..no.  How about you explain how this test was accomlished since you appear to know.  Did they do a cross-platform test where 360 gets autoaim and PC gets deprecated controls?  Or is it on the same platform?  If same platform are they detecting the hardware and then adding gimping if you choose KBM and adding auto-aim for controllers?  If so, I know there wil be a keyboard mouse that quickly comes to market that reports that it's a controller--giving it uber powah.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Well.........I thought I was in the shadowrun thread still. Anyway, theres no proof saying that they didn't take equal measures to attempt to balance out the controls just like the proof of concept of Shadowrun. Its illogical that a controller could EVER win against KBM if its fair. Its just not plausible There isn't enough DPI.mikasa

As I said before I find it hard to believe, but if true console just leaped passed PCs for controls on FPS games. Having said that, is UT3 a cross-platform game? If not, how do you think they gimped the KBM and not the controller when it's on the same platform? Do they do a hardware check and if it's a controller they add auto-aim and for KBM they add some gimpage stuff into it?

Even the 10% chance of it being true ir correct, thats ONE game, I would like to see a console pull off realistic shooters, I really would, last time I checked BAttlefield on the consoles was a joke.

There is no Recoil on Unreal Tournement , or spray shots, they shoot preciscley in your aiming direction as the previous games did. 

[QUOTE="mikasa"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Well.........I thought I was in the shadowrun thread still. Anyway, theres no proof saying that they didn't take equal measures to attempt to balance out the controls just like the proof of concept of Shadowrun. Its illogical that a controller could EVER win against KBM if its fair. Its just not plausible There isn't enough DPI.Vandalvideo

As I said before I find it hard to believe, but if true console just leaped passed PCs for controls on FPS games.  Having said that, is UT3 a cross-platform game?  If not, how do you think they gimped the KBM and not the controller when it's on the same platform?  Do they do a hardware check and if it's a controller they add auto-aim and for KBM they add some gimpage stuff into it?

True, but how long will it be before a software hack comes out (or new hardware) that has the keyboard and mouse report that it's a controller and then remaps the contoller contrls to KBM?  If they are actually depracting KBM controls it will be worked around giving it the same control as a controller

[QUOTE="mikasa"]

[QUOTE="Mandingo101"]look at the source, teamxbox lol. im sorry man but i honestly dont care what they say, we all know KB/M is superior, maybe the ppl just suck at the game. but we all know the truth man, i hope they aint gimping this game like shadowrunMeu2k7

So you're saying they lied about the quote? The fact is it was EPIC saying it not teamxbox. Teamxbox just reported it. I understand dismissing fan sites, but when they quote multiplat devs...well you have to believe it unless that site is known to make up crap.

The same EPIC that said PC Gaming is dying?

The same EPIC that said current top notch PC hardware wont max the game yet 360 will?

Yah .... clearly unbiased swimming in thier M$ love money.